From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #414 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, December 6 2002 Volume 11 : Number 414 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Don't you wish you lived in Hollywood? [Ken Weingold ] brilliant, brilliant, wheres the right list? ["Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome] Glash Flesh Deux [Jill Brand ] rh quote, did one of you stickyheads scoop me on this? [] yes, i bloody well realize! [drew ] Re: belated Democracy & its mulish barmaids [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Flaming Lists ["Rex.Broome" ] Fw: [MPO/The Alarm] Digest Number 76 ["Michael Wells" ] Re: Fw: [MPO/The Alarm] Digest Number 76 [Ken Weingold ] FW: The Alarm [Tom Clark ] simultaneous CDs, and Split Enz reunion [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dig] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:19:40 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Don't you wish you lived in Hollywood? On Thu, Dec 5, 2002, Eb wrote: > January 3rd, at the Knitting Factory: > > Whole Lotta Rosies, Cheap Chick, Threeway $10 > All Girls. All Covers. All Night. All Right. Whole Lotta Rosies are > L.A.'s all-girl AC/DC tribute band, and Threeway are your very > necessary Rush cover band. Cheap Chick are four foxy women slavishly > devoted to 70s-era Cheap Trick who are fronted by Pamita from the > Neptunas and Melanie from the Excessories. First missing Ray, then this. God dammit. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 15:09:17 +0000 From: "Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome" Subject: Re: folk theologian? The only area where Lewis was a seminal thinker as a scholar was in literary/cultural studies. His "Allegory of Love" broke new ground, including as it did nuanced readings of many medieval/early ren texts that had not previously been considered. Even though with time certain conclusions have been callled into question, the book was an impetus to much work in several areas. This is the -only- area where Lewis really fiunctioned as an "important scholar" from a historical perspective -meaning that it is here that he said new stuff that no one had adequartly worded before him. In other areas he was smart, insightful and often funny, but not original(a virtue he thought overtouted anyway.) I think an argument could be made that his thinking was not really subtle nor unique enough in philosophy or theology to pass muster as important work. (I probobly should dodge and run here.) IMNHO What he was a master at was communication. In this he was far, far more expert, more nuanced, more effective than most of the scholars that have ever lived on the planet. And this is because it called up his real strentgh, his imagination. While his arguments are rational and vigerous, it is the illustrations of these arguments, the vignettes of human experience that give his work its compelling power. Touching the mind is nothing compared to touching the heart. And it is here that an artist comes into their own. A course that grapples with examining the -why- and the -how- of both Lewis's and Chesterton's extrodinary effectiveness as apologists would be great. It seems to me to more challanging and rewarding than just looking at them as theologins. Personally, I would love to see a book on the subject. - ------ Chris on N: >And in the end, I don't think Nietzsche's moral principle ("Act always out of strength and never out of weakness") is incompatible with Christianity. Nietzsche certainly thought it was, but he misunderstood Christianity. Another straight on hit of hammer on head. N (Ive decided not even to -try- and spell it'-) greatly oversimplified Christianity. If I ever had the time(Hah!) I would love to do a study of northern modern thinkers who were raised in "holier than thou" Protastant households. I would include N, Hesse, Jung and Keirkegaurd(all came out of a long line of pastors) and Crowley, whose parents were members of a puratanical sect. Im considering Bergman(a late modern) as well, and maybe Yeats--who while raised by an artist dad had clergy on both sides of the family. I think some of the similarities between these guys are fascinating and may be partially influenced by their reactions against extremlly emotionally repressive christian childhoods. When the devil gets called Christ, the natural tendency is to call Christ the devil. >The difficulty is understand exactly what it means to act out of strength, >and that such actions as compassion and mercy can be from strength as well as from >weakness. It could be argued that it takes even more strength in fact, just as humility tales more streength than pride(theres a paradox) and as such Christianity is within the Tao of the heroic tradition. - --------------- Thanks David for the poem. - ----------------- UTJATM Kay, who'd rather be playing in the snow with her kid and dog. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 15:10:31 +0000 From: "Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome" Subject: Fuck! I did it again. Apologies alla round. Me idiot. Kay _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:35:52 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: belated Democracy & its mulish barmaids ed wrote: > >> an ill-informed and easily manipulated electorate is preferable... > > >that's not a surprise to hear coming from an attorney. just sounds like judicially influenced bureaucratic mumbo jumbo. you compared two farcical absolutes as if it has to be either or and nothing else. do you know how many times i've heard that very method used by an attorney? > oooo, again with the clever lawyer-bashing! so witty! It's interesting > to note how you judge people by your concept of the group to which they > belong. like nazis, klan and nambla members? just kidding. > Would you draw the same conclusions about Jews or homosexuals? just wondering? What is the similarity between a jew, a homosexual and an attorney? damn, that sounds like the opening line to a bad joke. > we have a representative democracy based on an organic constitution, > which provides for certain enumerated powers by the federal > government. supported by an ill-informed and easily manipulated electorate? a fine system, supported by those who benefit most, attorneys being near the top of the list. you support a system that supports you. > > the problems that resulted from desegregation i believe have more than > > outweighed the advantages. > I was using _your_ clever way of indicating that I was at a loss for > words when I read your casual rejection of the most important victory for > civil rights this century. i have yet to see the advantages of forced busing, grossly unequal school funding and public housing. where is the desegregation or integration? black, white, brown, yellow, there is still a huge gap. the segregation at any level that still occurs is directly influenced by low income or welfare housing. and we are still building low income housing to help keep the lower classes behind a fence, all supported and decided by the judicial system. > And my "ridiculously inflated support of the system" was no more than the > quite reasonable observation that public policy is complex and that > there is nothing inherently sinister about developing expertise in an > an area sticking to it for a long period of time. you support a system that supports you and i think you overcomplicate public policy. it is not complex, some professionals just like it to appear that way and enjoy sitting in a big chair looking down. > Did you ever hear the story about American Apartheid? Were you aware that > "segregation" applied to more than just public schools? Since you are so > hung up on the schools issue, I'm happy to talk about that. sorry for my queer hang-ups, must be genetic. > By saying "if school funding was administered properly, segregation > would never have been an issue," i think school segregation would not have been an issue if funding at all levels of public education system were equal. > are you arguing that segregation _itself_ wasn't the problem; the > "real" problem (which remained after desegregation orders were imposed) was > the inequitable system for public school funding? that was a problem that existed before and after "desegregation". you can bus a kid to school anywhere but when he has to come back home each night to decay and squalor, what is the chance that he well ever get out? > Or are you arguing that > segregation would not have been an "issue" (meaning it wouldn't have > existed? or no one would have minded? or what?) if there had been equal > funding, because most white parents of the 1940's would have been happy to > send their kids to the local "black" school, so long as its facilities were > as good or better than the local "white" school? we still have segregated schools and neighborhoods. we still have huge gaps in understanding and compliance between the races. my argument is that most parents, white or black want their child to go to a safe school close to home where they receive a good education and where kids much like their own would also be attending. if school desegregation could have been done with even a glimpse of forethought instead of on the run it might have been successful. but now we can all drink from the same fountain and shit in the same toilet, wow what an accomplishment. > I cannot come up with any other interpretation of your "segregation > would never have been an issue" comment). Under either interpretation (I > can see no other alternative), your argument is historically inaccurate at > best, downright racist at worst. >............. ok, so why don't you just call me that directly like you want to do instead of just dancing around the fire. > As incredible as it is to me, your support for "separate but equal" > seems to be the most logical interpretation of your statement that "if > school funding was administered properly, segregation would never have > been an issue." Of course, you might have meant that white America in > the 1950's (and earlier) would have been happy to send their kids to > "black" schools, so long as their facilities were "equal." i have never claimed to support separate but equal, that is something you derided from my comment that desegregation has overall failed and we should have gone at it another way. most of black america did not want their kids going to white schools and like i said before, all the money and effort wasted on desegregating our schools should have been spent on the ooh so complicated issues like teacher's salaries, student teacher ratios, improved reference material and overall condition of the facilities, etc... you know, the complicated stuff it takes dream teams of million dollar attorneys to figure out. > Even if the "separate" facilities designed for southern blacks had actually > been "equal," the whole enterprise and the racist beliefs that > motivated it sent the constant and unambiguous message that blacks were > inferior and not "fit" to participate in "white society." well, seeing that we had irish, french, greek, mexican and south pacific among the many, most people figure that out for themselves. if it 'was', "the whole enterprise and the racists beliefs...." then, how do you account for it now and before "our" system existed? > I truly do not understand your hostility towards the judiciary -- > whether it be appointed judges or lifetime tenure for (federal only) > judges, have you ever been arrested and had no money for bail or an attorney? i look at the gross imbalance of race in prison and on death row for instance, and all these folks have had the attorneys and the justice system right up their ass the whole time and what has it done for them? they are mostly uneducated, unemployed, unreachable results of our system, supported by the judiciary. > Sanctioning or even just permitting racial discrimination denies equal > protection of the laws (and constitutes a badge or incident of slavery). even though some slaves have been and will continue to be the same color as their master. you are insinuating again, that I support racial discrimination just as in the beginning you tried less than subtly to make me sound like an anti-Semitic homophobe. all three are ludicrous, but that is what you are paid to do. slavery exists today, yesterday and tomorrow. it existed before the united states and it will exist after the united states gone. > And your entire series of posts & responses has been nothing but > absurdities and name-calling. and yours has been an egotistical jaunt or display of opinions not supported by me. > > > > > -ed "and to think I gave the guy free legal advice" poole > > > > if i send you a check next time will you give better advice? send me a > > bill and i'll apply payment appropriately. sorry for the > > inconvenience. > > Do you really have no ability to understand what I'm saying or are you > willfully misconstruing my words? really, I want to know. i wasn't absolutely sure but i guess you are. > Assuming the > former, the point here was simply this: you feel that it is all fine and > well to solicit free advice from a lawyer, when you have a legal > problem of your own, but once that's done, you turn around and insult > that very same lawyer who offered you assistance and use "sounding like > an attorney" as a derogatory remark. so once the pauper is offered bread he should never cuss the hand that feeds him, well or not? sounds elitist. don't take things so personally. > On a personal level, this was surprising to me (and, obviously, it pissed me off); i apologize for upsetting you but based on the rhetoric i have heard in court and locally makes me surprised that something so thin would aggravate you. > I would have thought that common courtesy plus the recognition that someone > offered you help in the spirit of friendship, might have been enough to > make you think twice about this kind of name calling. i appreciated your help, whether you realize that or not. > Seems to me that it would be classier to pick a side -- so i have no class. big deal. > either hate all lawyers and refuse to stoop so low as to ask for their > assistance, our system does not allow that. > This is the type of simplistic, prejudiced thinking engaged in by racists > and homophobes. (not that I would equate anti-lawyer sentiment with those > types of abuse and discrimination -- only the "group think" aspect is > at all similar). I would have thought you were above that. so i guess you now have a classification you can use for me. gSs np, tweedle dee and tweedle dum - bd ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 16:31:38 +0000 From: "Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome" Subject: brilliant, brilliant, wheres the right list? As part of my Mea Cupula of coffee for sleepily mis-posting Christian stuff to Feg I offer this link: http://www.dourish.com/goodies/decon.html So do I get spanked or burnt at the stake? - --------------- GLASH FLESH rocks and if I have to be burnt at the stake for Feg heresy(sure I cant sell you guys on the spanking;-?) I would want my cries of agony to blend in with its rough but tender tones. Buy it for someone you love. - --------------------- Rex, it sounds like we have similar temperments both drunk and non-drunk. What I wonder thou --is the Internet like being drunk? Is the fact that Im more flamboyent and chatty here because Im using the written vr the spoke word, or if because of the lack social anxiety that lowers inhibitions? See, its like Im drunk, - conjectual blather;-) - --------------------- Welcome Charlotte and Caroline - --------------------- O'Toole would be great for Dumbledore but is he alive and functioning(emphasis on the later)? And if he is functioning, why did they cast Harris in the first place? Thou OToole could chew scenery as well as Harris, O'Toole was/is also capable of, well, giving a truely interesting performance, not just a dramatic one. I would love to see a Dumbledore who could get across subtelty, wisdom and streangth with the lighter but more effective touch that O'Tool could/can do. - --------------------- Kay _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:01:12 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: Glash Flesh Deux Glass Flesh II is really very wonderful, and if you don't have your own copy, well, get in touch with Bayard and order yourself one as a belated Hanukkah present or an early Christmas present right now! Jill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 09:42:29 +0000 From: Subject: rh quote, did one of you stickyheads scoop me on this? This is forwarded from the stickwire maillist (with permission) for your amusement. >My band opened up for Robyn on his tour supporting that album with "Balloon Man" on it, I can't think of the name for some reason. Too many years ago I guess. Great album though. Anyway, my conversation with him went like this: Me: "Hello, it's an honor to play with you Mr, Hitchcock." Robyn: "Where am I." Me: "You are in Utah, Salt Lake City, at the Bar and Grill" Robyn: "Ah yes, that would explain the mountains." Me: "Yeah, we have mountains." Robyn: "Why am I here?" Me: "Uh, you are playing here, you are just about to hit the stage." Robyn: "Ah yes, that would explain the guitar I have on." Me: "Are you feeling o.k.?" Robyn: "Yes, brilliant, brilliant. Right, which way is the stage?" - -Tom Cram < ------------------------------ Date: 6 Dec 2002 10:22:28 -0800 From: "Scott McCleary" Subject: CDNow -- it's a secret I found out about their getting sucked into Amazon a couple days before they sent me the email (I thought something was wrong with the link and just kept clicking and clicking and clicking). Dumb me -- I thought something was broken. I had no idea something was REALLY amiss. I think the stealthiness of the merger can be summed up in the subject line of the email announcement (I used part of my email address in my CDNow ID): Subject: Sh, Big Changes At CDNOW! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:32:30 -0800 (PST) From: drew Subject: yes, i bloody well realize! At least I assume I must. I really hate that song. I really really hated "Race for the Prize" too. It's not so much the lyrics of either as the music, which is all nails-on-a-chalkboard queasy wobbly to me. Ugh. I don't do year-end top tens, as I say every year, because I just don't hear enough of the albums to make any kind of broad assessment. I buy what I like first, and then I try what I wouldn't normally hear when I can, and the fact is that a lot of what I buy every year was released in other years. There isn't a single album on Eb's top ten that I would have paid any attention to normally, except perhaps for Beck -- I'm sure I'll hear that album eventually. I have to agree that the Breeders and Tanya Donnelly discs were major disappointments... I've already rid myself of Title TK and I need to look into selling Beautysleep (?). The Tori Amos album would probably make my top ten, but in a better year it might not've. Ditto, I'm sorry to say, for the Soft Boys disc. Hell, I can't even remember what else came out this year. I'll take a look when I get home. Mrs. Slocombe's pussy always got a huge laugh every time it came up. I find it very difficult to believe the double entendre wasn't well known; where else would the joke be? Five tracks into the first Fuzzy Warbles disc and it's smooth sailing so far. The production, to my layman's ears, sounds much better than the title would imply. I'll say more when I'm finished. - -- drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:52:55 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: belated Democracy & its mulish barmaids Quoting gSs : > you are insinuating again, that I support racial > discrimination just as in the beginning you tried less than subtly to make > me sound like an anti-Semitic homophobe. all three are ludicrous, but that > is what you are paid to do. Quoting Scott Miller: > Man that must be the world's goddam easiest job - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: PLEASE! You are sending cheese information to me. I don't want it. :: I have no goats or cows or any other milk producing animal! :: --"raus" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:55:11 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: brilliant, brilliant, wheres the right list? On Friday, December 6, 2002, at 10:31 AM, Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome wrote: > So do I get spanked or burnt at the stake? Locked in a room with Pat Robertson. - - Steve __________ Do you think Americans should ask God to grant George W. Bush the power to fly? House majority whip Tom DeLay, the ability to predict the future? Senate majority leader Tom Daschle, X-ray vision? In a prayer written for the National Day of Prayer, May 2, the Reverend Lloyd Olgivie, the Senate chaplain, asks God to "bless our President, Congress, and all our leaders with supernatural power." He didn't beseech God to endow them with strength and wisdom--a more reasonable request--but to make them superheroes. - David Corn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 11:10:51 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: brilliant, brilliant, wheres the right list? on 12/6/02 8:31 AM, Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome at theyarenotlong@hotmail.com wrote: > Rex, it sounds like we have similar temperments both drunk and non-drunk. > What I wonder thou --is the Internet like being drunk? > Is the fact that Im more flamboyent and chatty here because Im using the > written vr the spoke word, or if because of the lack social anxiety that > lowers inhibitions? See, its like Im drunk, - conjectual blather;-) The question is whether you end up naked while surfing the web... - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:42:27 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: CDNow -- it's a secret On Fri, Dec 6, 2002, Scott McCleary wrote: > I found out about their getting sucked into Amazon a couple days > before they sent me the email (I thought something was wrong > with the link and just kept clicking and clicking and clicking). > Dumb me -- I thought something was broken. I had no idea something > was REALLY amiss. > > I think the stealthiness of the merger can be summed up in the > subject line of the email announcement (I used part of my email > address in my CDNow ID): > > Subject: Sh, Big Changes At CDNOW! How I long for the old days when I could telnet to cdnow.com. . - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:54:14 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Flaming Lists Jeff on the Great CDNow Assimilation: >>If you're lucky and happened to look at your wish list within the last week or so, >>and you haven't cleaned out your browser history or cache, a copy just might be >>sitting around on your hard drive No such luck here. My drive at work keeps maxing out so I've been dumping my caches on almost a daily basis. I kinda reconstructed it yesterday based on an old pocket wishlist and Amazon's own weird "recommendations" which helped to jog my memory on a few things. On the plus side, if I can't remember that I wanted it, I must not've wanted it that badly, eh? Wow, my neighbors' band is starting to get a fair amount of airplay from Nic Harcourt. Maybe I should start charging them for borrowing my PA. So my own provisional top 10: 1) Wire/Read & Burn 01 & 02 2) Soft Boys/Nextdoorland 3) Sleater-Kinney/One Beat 4) Sonic Youth/Murray Street (the top four are a virtual dead heat, towering over the rest) 5) Stew/The Naked Dutch Painter (elevated thanks to the better bits of the Negro Problem LP) 6) Flaming Lips/Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots (despite my initial disappointment, I think it'll hold up well) 7) Giant Sand/Cover Magazine (for sheer fun factor) 8) Wilco/Yankee Hotel Foxtrot (docked a few spots for overpraise and because I got so sick of hearing the labored "ragged" crap at the beginning of the first track) 9) Robyn Hitchcock/Robyn Sings! (laugh if you will, but this has really stuck with me) 10) TIE: Luna/Romantica ~ Underworld/A Hundred Days Off (records that were totally up to each great band's standards but which haven't as yet colonized my brain) Costello & Earle cancel each other out in the "good for you" category but may ultimately displace any given record in the 5-10 slot as I give them a few more listens. The Interpol, Doves and Trail of Dead records impressed me, but I'm waiting to see how/if they develop on future releases. Single (in theory) of the year (tie): "Bang", Yeah Yeah Yeah's "Lessons Learned from Rocky I to Rocky II", Cornershop (because who can really choose between "the overgrown supershit" and "as a fuck, son, you suck" as the Supreme Lyrical Hook of the Year?) Cheers, Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:52:03 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Fw: [MPO/The Alarm] Digest Number 76 From the Alarm list, but might be of interest to a few here... > Subject: Eddie Macdonald To Auction Classic Alarm Guitars and T-Shirts on eBay!!! > > Ex-Alarm bassist, guitarist, vocalist, and songwriter Eddie > Macdonald is going to auction off some of his clsssic Alarm guitars > on eBay starting December 5th, 2002! > > You can read an interview with Eddie here: > http://www.thealarm.com/dispart.asp?id=803 > > You view the auctions at eBay here: > http://members.ebay.co.uk/aboutme/garrymcnamara/ I wouldn't mind getting that Roland or the Ovation, myself. Michael "you can't have too many guitars" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:06:15 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: Flaming Lists Rex: > 9) Robyn Hitchcock/Robyn Sings! (laugh if you will, but this has really > stuck with me) I will not laugh, it makes mine too...perhaps one half more than the other, but what a half. Sans comments, pithy or otherwise, ten discs from 2002 in rough order: 1) Rush "Vapor Trails" 2) Beck "Sea Change" 3) John Doe "Dim Stars Bright Sky" 4) Peter Case "Beeline" 5) The Soft Boys "Nextdoorland" 6) The Silos "Cuba" (I know, it shouldn't count but it does for me) 7) Jorma Kaukonen "Blue Country Heart" 8) Midnight Oil "Capricornia" 9) Robyn Hitchcock "Robyn Sings" 10) Neko Case "Blacklisted" Michael "glad that's over for another year" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:25:46 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Fw: [MPO/The Alarm] Digest Number 76 On Fri, Dec 6, 2002, Michael Wells wrote: > >From the Alarm list, but might be of interest to a few here... Wow. What the hell does an Alarm list have to talk about? :) Anyone talk about Coloursound? - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:08:15 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Flaming Lists >Regarding losing one's CDNow "wish list": >On the plus side, if I can't >remember that I wanted it, I must not've wanted it that badly, eh? Yeah...that's what I've been thinking, while observing this discussion. Then again, I have a privately stored "wish list" for my own shopping reference, so I can't throw too many stones. Though it's well over 100 items, which would be a lot to remember. >8) Wilco/Yankee Hotel Foxtrot (docked a few spots for overpraise and >because I got so sick of hearing the labored "ragged" crap at the beginning >of the first track) How did you feel about the labored "ragged" crap on *every* track? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 13:32:12 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: FW: The Alarm Comment from my brother. Sorry if this offends anybody; I just thought it was too funny not to share. - -tc - ------ Forwarded Message From: Steve Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:58:44 -0800 (PST) To: Tom Clark Subject: Re: FW: The Alarm At least Stuart Adamson of Big Country did the dignified thing by hanging himself. - --- Tom Clark wrote: > I know you've been waiting for this... > > > ------ Forwarded Message > > > Subject: Eddie Macdonald To Auction Classic Alarm > Guitars and T-Shirts on > eBay!!! > > > > Ex-Alarm bassist, guitarist, vocalist, and > songwriter Eddie > > Macdonald is going to auction off some of his > clsssic Alarm guitars > > on eBay starting December 5th, 2002! > > > > You can read an interview with Eddie here: > > http://www.thealarm.com/dispart.asp?id=803 > > > > You view the auctions at eBay here: > > http://members.ebay.co.uk/aboutme/garrymcnamara/ > > - ------ End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:53:11 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: simultaneous CDs, and Split Enz reunion >The question in my mind (and the reason I'm still posting this even though >I've seen since I wrote it that somebody already said the above) is whether >the resultant "phase shift growing into total discord" was intended to be a >part of the music**, or simply a technical limitation that couldn't be as >easily overcome a handful of years ago as it can now. I wonder if you with >your simultaneous MP3s or I with my 4 CD players heard the version closer >to the original artistic intent. Has Wayne ever talked about this? > >(** I freakin' love it when an artist is thinking along those lines - like >Jimi having you getting up and changing the record be part of the music, >between sides 3 and 4 of Electric Ladyland. This is why I've always found >the concept of Ladyland on CD to be extremely disrespectful. They could >have at least put it on 2 disks, with the break in the right place.) weirdly, this is echoing discussions on the Brian Eno list at the moment, where there's talk of the playing of two or more ambient CDs simultaneously. Eno's limited release CD "Music for the White Cube" was designed for the background of an art installation, and was originally intended to be played simultaneously on for CD players set on random-play mode. Oh, and for Tim & Neil Finn fans, there is news here that, to celebrate the 30th anniversary of the founding of Split Enz, a one-off reunion will occur on Tuesday evening 7-8pm (NZ time), with live video streaming from TVNZ's site. That works out as starting early morning UK time, or between about 10pm Monday and 1am Tuesday, depending where in the States/Canada you are. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #414 ********************************