From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #401 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, November 26 2002 Volume 11 : Number 401 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Fuzzy Warbles Are Go [steve ] Passed the CA Bar [Eleanore Adams ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #398 ["Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat"] blurred vision [drew ] Tull & acronyms [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Passed the CA Bar ["The Real Mr. Feg" ] Re: A Song for Jeffrey (1% Tull content) [Eb ] Re: Post Knave Tull ["Brian Hoare" ] Re: Eddie Cochran ["Brian Hoare" ] Re: Long band names ["matt sewell" ] Savaged by a wonky-faced dwarf (my Radiohead story) ["matt sewell" ] Radiohead come over all Gallagher... [crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com] Re: Seeking good enviro/energy songs [John McIntyre ] Re: envirotunes ["Mike Wells" ] Re: Another long band name [Miles Goosens ] 2112 [Ken Weingold ] Re: The usual advocacy of some artists and slagging off of other ones . ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Fwd: women in rock? [Ken Ostrander ] solsbury tart [Ken Ostrander ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 23:10:36 -0600 From: steve Subject: Fuzzy Warbles Are Go The first two anyway. After all the trouble of getting people to send in Colin demos, he's decided not to be on FW, so it will just be Andy and will be on Andy's label called APE. (Maybe Colin will relent if/when he sees it's not a financial disaster). http://www.xtcidearecords.co.uk/news/news_1.htm - - Steve __________ So how about using the same shock-value tactics the administration uses in the drug war to confront the public with the ultimate - and much more linearly linked - consequences of their energy wastefulness? Imagine a soccer mom in a Ford Excursion (11 mpg city, 15 mpg highway) saying, "I'm building a nuclear bomb for Saddam Hussein." - Arianna Huffington __________ Members of the Christ Community Church in Alamogordo, N.M., burned Harry Potter books, Star Wars items and works by Shakespeare and J.R.R. Tolkien, USA Today reported. Pastor Jack Brock called the Potter books "a masterpiece of satanic deception [that teaches] children how they can get into witchcraft." __________ "The logic of missile defense is to make the stakes of power projection compatible with the risks of power projection," says Keith B. Payne, a deterrence theory expert and an ardent supporter of missile defense. - Bill Keler, NYT ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:52:06 -0800 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Passed the CA Bar Fegs I have just passed the California Bar Exam! (So if anyone needs a divorce atty in Ca bay area......;-)) eleanore ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 21:27:53 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #398 At 4:58 PM +1300 11/26/02, James Dignan propounded thusly: >>Its called hymn meter. Most Dickenson poems can be sung to hymn tunes. > >One of the weirdest things I recall seeing at a concert was this guy >singing "Clementine" to the tune of Deutsachland Uber Alles. I saw a band cover "The Macarena" and "She'll Be Coming Around The Mountain" simultaneously, and it worked! Bonus points to yours for greater irony, but bonus points to mine for it being at a Tiny Tim concert. At 11:05 PM -0500 11/25/02, Stewart C. Russell propounded thusly: >Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >> >> That's one reason that no matter how good voice recognition software >>gets, it'll >> never replace the keyboard as far as most text input goes: who the hell >>wants to >> talk to a machine? > >some airline information/ordering systems are already completely >automated; they can do real time recogition of 7 languages. They do panic, >and transfer you to a human if they don't understand something. Mac OS9 came with surprisingly good voice recognition right out of the box - - the first time I said, "Computer, open the control panel" it worked! [Please don't respond with a reference to 2001. First thing I did was write an applescript that does what you're thinking of.] Mike - -- ======== We need love, expression, and truth. We must not allow ourselves to believe that we can fill the round hole of our spirit with the square peg of objective rationale. - Paul Eppinger At non effugies meos iambos - Gaius Valerius Catallus ("...but you won't get away from my poems.") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 22:37:14 -0800 (PST) From: drew Subject: blurred vision > From: "Rex.Broome" > [some "hipsters" hate Blur and all 90s Britpop] > Others take the contrarian stance that Oasis was actually better > because they were dumber and less effete. Pfft. I think there's one, maybe two Oasis songs I can stand to listen to, and then I'm mostly making fun of their accents. Mind you, Damon Albarn uses accents worth making fun of, but at least there are decent songs to distract me. > Me, I'll cop to "Leisure" as a > *very* guilty pleasure, and most of "Parklife" as in fact a very good album, > but one that I can see any number of reasons to dislike. "Great Escape" > plays like a lesser Kinks knockoff and from there on out things are pretty > grim, increasing critical stature aside. Sheesh. :) My take, if you care: Leisure made Blur look like a B-list baggy band, and the videos made me hot for Dame Albarn and the songs stuck in my head. The album has since grown on me and I don't feel guilty about how swoony it is. Parklife is chock full of terrific songs, and though I now skip about every other one, I don't have to to have a good time. I held off on buying The Great Escape for a long time, and while it's as hit and miss as Parklife, the hits are just as high-caliber. We've already covered the fact that I'm indifferent to the Kinks, which I suppose robs me of all credibility, but it's true -- and truth be told, the songs which I gather are the most Kinks-like are the ones I find most insufferable. I always think I dislike the self-titled album until I go back to listen to it, at which point it's a pleasure, and 13 is the most uneven Blur album to date but has some lovely stuff on it. And of course you left out Modern Life Is Rubbish, which is my favorite by a nose and strikes just the right balance between its predecessor and sequel. I dunno; for a long time I always considered them second-tier but I find I'm enjoying their albums more and more with time. > I mean, since I've already > missed so many landmark classic albums by Manic Street Preachers, Super > Furry Animals, Gay Dad, Ash, Stereophonics, Supergrass and Idlewild, why > should I start now? I've given all of those bands a chance and been unimpressed. - -- drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 19:47:04 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Tull & acronyms >A few years ago Ian Anderson said that there was no more Tull stuff left in >the vaults, it's all been released, and the bonus tracks on these reissues >seems to bear that out. Except for one instrumental track from the "March >The Mad Scientist" EP (Pan Dance, I think) all the bonus tracks for the >remasters so far are available elsewhere. Pan Dance is in the 20th anniversary boxed set. "MEK, WAPH" said: >IQTOMPA. I quake timidly over my personal attorney? talking of which - congrats Eleanore! James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 00:16:33 -0800 From: "The Real Mr. Feg" Subject: Re: Passed the CA Bar Tried to send this offline so as not to add to the already unmanageable volume of posts, but my email was rejected by Eleanore's server... E: is there a way to prevent your server rejecting me? - ------------------- Eleanore, BIG congratulations! If I'm ever in need of such services, you'll be my first call! We missed you at the Soft Boys show ...I guess you were too busy studying? ~N > From: Eleanore Adams > I have just passed the California Bar Exam! (So if anyone needs a > divorce atty in Ca bay area......;-)) > > eleanore - -- Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -Pablo Picasso ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 00:19:11 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: A Song for Jeffrey (1% Tull content) >Before replying to this, I'll have to let the rest of us in on a >little joke: A >couple of days ago, Eb asked me if, in favor of a phrase like "short melodic >attention span" (his words), I'd prefer something like "riddled with >a spiraling, >recursive series of left turns." Silly me - I said, yeah, that >would, in fact, be >clearer to me. > >Eb probably enjoyed a good chuckle there - because it was probably >apparent from >my reply that I didn't realize that Eb's amended suggestion >("riddled...") was a >quote from (chortle, chortle) my own review of _Days for Days_! Actually, I assumed you *did* recognize the quote. Chortle, chortle, ho, ho, zzzz. >But your use of a term like "smartypantsness" (and I won't bother >noting my doubt that any critic ever praised Miller using such a term...oops, just did note it) Well, I said "fans," not "critics." But sure, why *else* would a critic praise Miller? The positive reviews are always about all the details crammed into one song, the allusions, etc. But for that matter, I guess the negative ones are too. Kinda suggests that the music doesn't go much deeper than the decorations, doesn't it? I'm reminded of that old Zappa quote about putting "eyebrows" on his music...seems like Miller has the "eyebrows" mastered, but forgot to color in the eyes. >it appears chock-a-block (or smack-dab, if you >prefer) in the middle of both straightforward pathos and >self-deprecation. There's >an emotional landscape surrounding both that wit and the >intellectual allusions >you elsewhere criticize that give them far more power than they'd have without >such surroundings. You wrote this with a straight face, didn't you? And oh yeah, you just reminded how tired his "wry self-deprecation" shtick is too. >I also (as I implied above) pay far less attention to lyrics overall Which brings us back to digging Miller basically because of the self-conscious "left turns" in his music. (And the song titles, of course!) Eb PS Finally finished watching the four-hour silent epic "Napoleon" tonight...*wow*, what a dazzling bit of filmmaking this is. All the more remarkable, given its timeframe. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:43:49 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: Re: Post Knave Tull Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat: >Songs From The Wood? Stolen by a goth? That's odd. Well, perhaps listening >to it showed him the light. And a serious goth too, this guy and his mate took 3 hours to choose clothes and do their make up and hair on a friday night. Despite his usual musical diet of Bauhaus, Cure, SoM &c he was also a Tull fan. I made the mistake of lending him Aqualung and SFTW about two weeks before he moved back to Leeds. >>do you know which are the prefered issues of the classic Tull >>albums and will this EMI series become complete - it doesn't seem to yet >>include Heavy Horses, Stormwatch and a few others that I would like. >Except for one instrumental track from the "March The Mad Scientist" EP >(Pan Dance, I think) all the bonus tracks for the remasters so far are >available elsewhere. Make sure you own Living In The Past, the 20th >Anniversary Box set, and Nightcap, and you've got it all without having to >re-buy music you already own. Those three are must-haves for the Tull fan, >anyway. I already have Nightcap, for Scenario/Audition/No Rehearsal. I'm not so worried about the other rare / unreleased stuff although I can still remember Beltane from my one hearing of the vinyl box set-about a week after its release. My primary concern is replacing a few of my fave Tull LPs that have acquired scratches and pops over the years. If the EMI releases have noticably better sound than the Chrysalis ones and if they are going to do all the albums then I will wait for their Heavy Horses and Stormwatch. If, however, the remastering is not thought to be an improvement over the older cds then I may as well pick those up instead. Brian _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:12:14 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: Re: Eddie Cochran >MRG > >Brian, have you ever been to one of those Eddie Cochran roadside vigils >that the fans hold every year? Not really my sort of thing. No, and it's not really my sort of thing. The road side memorial thingy http://www.halletts.co.uk/images/eddie.JPG is on my running circuit so I pass it two or three times a week depending on how dedicated I feel. I never fail to notice it. I think Chippenham is only mentioned in one pop/rock song, Kim's EC Blues. cf New Orleans. Brian _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:59:56 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: Long band names When People Were Shorter And Lived By The Water? Matt >From: "Rex.Broome" > >Mike Godwin: > >>What is the Longest Band Name? > >Probably ...And You Will Know Us By the Trail of Dead? > >Or... > >Lisa Lisa and the Cult Jam with Full Force? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:24:37 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Savaged by a wonky-faced dwarf (my Radiohead story) Hmmkay... to be honest I regretted posting this as soon as I had done it, but, now it's posted, I guess I'd better spill the beans... In 1990 or 91, my band was stuck for a keyboardist and guitarist (and later a bassist). I was friends with Johnny Greenwood, who kindly said he'd stand in while we looked for someone. Later his bro Colin played bass for us too. Now, at the time, I was in the midst of some kind of Jim Morrison psychosis (which is, I believe a common complaint amongst male adolescents). Through Johnny & Colin I met Thom Yorke, and we didn't get on very well at all (his first words to me were "I can play I Am The Resurrection all the way through, even the end bit". My first words to him were "yeah... good..." ). Anyway, his dislike for me was sufficient to attack me in the song Anyone Can Play Guitar. So there you go. One personal reason for me not to like Radiohead! I still see Johnny every now and again, though, and it's good to see he's pretty grounded, not gone all Mariah Carey... Cheers Matt >From: Ken Ostrander >matt: > >My view of Radiohead is somewhat compromised by being personally attacked > >by them on record... > >i can see that...i mean...what?! > >ken "welcome to your life" the kenster - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:16:18 +0000 (GMT) From: crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com Subject: My contribution to wanky '80s art-rock James exclaimed >...in 13/8 time! The band I was in during the miraculously rehabilitated '80s, did a song called Bo Diddley Is A Limerick Writer in 13/8. A sort of lop-sided circular Bo-beat, intercut with, well...limericks. (Does anyone know of any other lyrics which incorporate that much underrated poetic form?) Joe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:58:13 +0000 (GMT) From: crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com Subject: eco-songs Fast Cars - Buzzcocks (which, of course, mentions Ralph Nader in the lyrics...) How about the much underrated... Crazy Horses..."...smokin' up the sky, yeah!" Joe ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 2002 05:14:02 -0800 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: RE: envirotunes >From: LDudich@ase.org >Subject: Seeking good enviro/energy songs > >My fellow Fegs- > >I have been asked by our president to try to come up with >some good enviromental/ energy related songs for our 25th >Aniversary party. (My past with Number Nine Line has made >me the "Alliance to Save Energy Rock Consultant" :)) You got the best one with the Marvin Gaye selection. There's also: Adrian Belew - "Burned by the Fire We Make." I don't remember if it's on any of the full-blown commercial releases, but it's on the Acoustic Adrian Belew, for sure. I could probably be convinced to provide an MP3 if it's for a good cause. Bruce Cockburn HAS to have at least a song or two in that category, . . . da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:30:43 +0000 (GMT) From: crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com Subject: Radiohead come over all Gallagher... Blimey! Call yourselves indie rock fans. The cruel to Sewell moment obviously comes on the hidden track - OK, Our Kid? from the 'lost' second album, bootlegged as I Can't Remember What We Were Going To Call This One. Matt, you are a fool to favour Hitchcock/ He's a Syd Barrett copyist, but we really rock... Joe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:43:42 -0500 From: John McIntyre Subject: Re: Seeking good enviro/energy songs "Radioactivity" by Kraftwerk, but go for the version on _The Mix_ album (with its vocoded "Harrisburg, Chernobyl, Stellafield, Hiroshima" intro) rather than the more optimistic original. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:18:01 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: envirotunes > >I have been asked by our president to try to come up with >some > good enviromental/ energy related songs for our 25th >Aniversary > party. (My past with Number Nine Line has made >me the "Alliance > to Save Energy Rock Consultant" :)) That's a nice title! "Red Tide" by Rush (from the 'Presto' album). Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:40:35 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Another long band name At 03:10 PM 11/25/2002 -0800, Tom Clark wrote: >Just ran across this from the Stiff Records Box Set: >"The Inspirational Choir Of The Pentecostal First-Born Church Of the Living >God" > >Beat THAT! Well, you just know that when the preacher and the deacon fall out, there's going to be "The Inspirational Choir of the TRUE Pentecostal First-Born Church of the Living God." schism with an -ism, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:45:08 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: 2112 Someone mentioned 2112, but I have no idea what happened to that post. One thing I'll mention about that album is that, at least the version of the CD I have, it is indexed. If you have a CD player that can skip indexes, or at least just show them, you will see that the 2112 Overture has each part as a sperate index. My CD player has buttons to skip them, so I can skip around the individual parts. Pretty cool. I love that album. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:01:34 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: The usual advocacy of some artists and slagging off of other ones . Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > And how well would they handle that sentence you just > typed - where the two words > are used words, and hence have no context cues? Not very gracefully. Yer bog standard Markov model just returns probabilities of parts of speech, based on the words around it. It would produce such a low value from my sentence that no sensible data could be deduced (can anything ever? ;-)). With the right heuristics, a word in quotes should get special treatment. Automatic text analysis is only useful where a limited vocabulary is required, or only a broad-brush idea of what's going on is needed. In those circumstances, it can be useful. Of course, this may just be a myth put out by we AI projects to make you think we don't run the place already ... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:47:03 +0000 From: "Montauk Daisy" Subject: Timing Luther: >come up with some good >enviromental/ energy related songs "Natures Way" by Spirit. - --------------- Miles. Thank you. That Momus site was a fun way to start the day. I expected him to be a Goth dripping noir but instead I got an auburn-haired, balding, purblind Scot with a brain working overtime. As for JeFF-- great stuff. - ----------------- "Solisbury Hill" and "Glass" are in the same odd time signeture? What I love about both is --incredibly perfect words, pop sensibility and yet a sense of uncannyness that works with the words to lift both songs past themselves. And "Strawberry Fields" too, same thing --thou in this one Im aware that the timing is unusual. Is the time signeture part of what makes for this uncannyness? Somehow that makes sense. My ear does hear something strange in these songs, something lovely and lonely and terrible I cant identify or pin down, that dosnt diminish with repeated listenings. I'd thought it must be in the melodies. As a non-musician Im really ignorant of this stuff. I dont know why -- but my prejuidice is to think of weird timings as just show-off stuff, "look what we can do." But perhaps thats not the case. Do different timings do alot to determine the mood and power of a song? Im not trying to be stupid, just to understand as best a punter can. I know syncopation changes the mood-- but what else? And how? And most of all, why? - ----------------------- Congradualtions Eleanore - ------------- I would put money on the chance that once we get lots of gadgets with voice recognition, people will loose most of their induvidual inflections and vocal quirks. Regional accents will lessen and disappear. In time we'll have trends in speech like we now have trends in fashion. We may even start talking to each in language that has been ammended to fit voice recognition--things like including unneccisary code inflections for those homo-thingamegiggies in face to face communication. - --------------------- CrowbarJoe: >Bo Diddley Is A Limerick Writer in 13/8 Was it generic limericks or new for the occasion limericks done in blues lingo? That could be pretty funny. - ---------------- Kay _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 12:46:50 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: Fwd: women in rock? >Open letter from Joan Jett to Rolling Stone >> http://www.joanjett.com/ >> >> I tried to find some cleverly worded way to express my >> disgust with your "Women in Rock" issue, but what i >> have to say is really quite simple: You guys are >> completely retarded. >> >> By RS standards, Rock is no longer a style of music >> but a trendy costume to be whipped up by expensive >> stylists and slapped onto the latest pop tart barbie >> doll. Give a girl some tight pants and a spiky >> bracelet and POOF! She ROCKS! >> >> Your poor choice of cover girls and featured artists >> brings to mind the Sports Illustrated swimsuit >> editions. There is nothing necessarily wrong with the >> breast-baring models inside..but we all understand >> that they have NOTHING TO DO WITH SPORTS--Which just >> might be offensive to women who are interested in >> sports or who might even be (gasp) real athletes. >> >> Yes, Britney has a talented stylist and yes, somebody >> gave Shakira a Guns & Roses t-shirt to wear..but they >> ARE NOT NOW NOR WILL THEY EVER BE ROCK. >> >> Maybe it's naive of me to expect any glimmer of >> rock'n'roll credibility OR respect for women from a >> magazine whose cover shot is regularly a naked >> underweight actress. The thing is , I AM a woman >> musician with a rock band, and as we all are I am >> STARVED for any little crumb of recognition that real >> women rockers might be thrown. So like a sucker I find >> myself short another five bucks ..and pissed enough to >> write my first letter to an editor. Avril Lavigne gets >> some studded accessories from Hot Topic so now she's >> "upholding the brazen tradition of teenage >> outrage"???!! Are you SERIOUS? And could someone >> please explain to me why people keep insisting on >> referring to PINK as rock? Wasn't she doing the white >> girl hip hop thing a minute ago? Yeah, she performed >> on the Aerosmith tribute show --big deal..she was on >> the Janet Jackson tribute show just before >> that--Whatever's trendy. WHO CARES. She's a Spice Girl >> reject...but I digress. >> >> Jewel and Mandy friggin' Moore have full page features >> as Rock Icons...Meanwhile Joan Jett gets one line. ONE >> LINE. Joan Jett & the Blackhearts, who have never >> stopped touring, recently did 10 days in the Middle >> East playing for the troops stationed in Afghanistan. >> In AFGHANISTAN, Joan would come onstage wearing a >> birkha, which she ripped off and stomped on before >> blazing through the purest and nastiest rock show >> ANYWHERE. But even in the RS WOMEN IN ROCK issue, a >> story like that gets ONE SENTENCE on the bottom of the >> last page of Random Notes. >> >> Britney's Rock credentials? Well, she butchers the >> song "I Love Rock'n'Roll" on her latest record, and >> when asked about it the genius replies "Well, I've >> always loved Pat Benatar." And SHE is your Rock issue >> cover girl?? You should be REALLY embarrassed. >> >> Sleater Kinney was the only rock group listed on the >> cover..and they got only half a page. Ashanti, the r&b >> back up singer who can't seem to do anything without >> "featuring Jah Rule," has two pages. >> >> What about the Donnas? The Yeah Yeah Yeahs? The >> Distillers? A mag like RS has the power to shine >> important light on groups like these--instead they are >> afterthoughts, and that valuable spotlight is wasted >> on the same overexposed pop princesses WHO HAVE >> NOTHING TO DO WITH ROCK. >> >> In your own letter from the editor you have the >> hypocritical balls to say "rock radio won't touch >> female artists, while the pop factory keeps churning >> out soundalike clones, and ambitious musicians with >> something to say find themselves left out in the >> cold." >> >> The pages that follow those words are a blatant >> display that Rolling Stone magazine is happily working >> for the factory now too. >> >> If the issue had been called "Women in Music"..or >> maybe "Some Cute Girls with Top 10 Records out Right >> Now"..I would have no beef with it. Corny as it may >> sound, ROCK is something which is still meaningful and >> even sacred to some of us. Use the word "rock" in bold >> letters next to a picture of Britney Fucking Spears, >> and you're turning your whole publication into a >> joke...and an offensive joke at that. >> >> Joan Jett actually written by Maya Price ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:33:42 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: solsbury tart so it's the timing? that explains all of the difficulty playing those songs and trying to sing. speaking of solsbury hill, last night i had an amazing experience. during the day, i kept hearing from different sources about the peter gabriel show going on at the fleet center in the evening. i even had a friend call me and ask if i wanted to go. the tix were very pricey; so amy and i bowed out, though we both did want to see the show very much. after some problems with her connection all day, she got fed up and set the computer aside. during that time, one of her friends sent her a message offering to buy us tix for a wedding present. he called and left a voicemail and, after some back and forth, eventually used someone through ebay and tickets tonight. at this point we were starting to think that we were meant to be at this show for some cosmic reason. after we picked up the tix from a nice couple going to the show, we met a fellow from a place called the zendik farm in north carolina. amy and i have been talking about someday setting up a place just like this an! d we run right into this guy outside the show. we bought the magazine that they publish and are very excited about this place. http://www.zendik.org/ we went inside and the seats were wonderful. row eleven on the floor. the stage was right in the center of the fleet center and the ushers were scrambling to help folks to their seats with the funky configuration. it wasn't sold out; but there were plenty of the faithful in attendance. there were two short opening acts: the blind boys of alabama and tanzanian singer hukwe zawose. both were very spiritual in their own way. the set was dynamic. there was a round stage that revolved and had a set piece that was lowered down that images were projected onto and that would change from song to song. it's really hard to describe; but it was a feast for the eyes. at one point it was an egg, then a column, then a platform came down from which peter and his daughter (who sang backup vocals) suspended themselves downside-up, then peter ran around on top of the platform with a video camera he pointed at the audience, then the egg became a sphere, and then the covering was removed to reveal a tranparent plastic sphere. peter climbed inside and bouced and rolled around the stage chasing some of the band members. he played a good mix of material, starting with a solo 'here comes the flood' and ending with a rousing encore of 'family snapshot'. during 'solsbury hill' he rode a bike around the circular stage as the rest of the band skipped past him going the other way. during 'sledgehammer' he donned a jacket that either reflected or projected lights. during 'mercy street' everyone sat on the edge of the stage (peter's daughter in a boat) as it rotated. the opening acts joined the band on stage at various points in the show. david rhodes and tony levin were fantastic. one dollar from the hundred plus face value on the ticket went to this group: http://www.witness.org/ >I expect you found out why I abbreviated Frankie Goes To Hollywood the >first time you typed it. What is the Longest Band Name? Little Anthony and >the Imperials? Elias and his Zig Zag Jive Flutes? sophistifuck & the revlon spam queens? http://www.theorchidpool.com/swarmingmidget/lengthy.htm ken "waiting for the big one" the kenster ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #401 ********************************