From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #399 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, November 25 2002 Volume 11 : Number 399 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Speaking of Tull (0% RH) [Johnathan Vail ] Long band names ["Rex.Broome" ] Dracae ["Marc Holden" ] np: power, corruption, and lies [drew ] Re: Guitar heroes? ["Mike Wells" ] Re: Long band names [Ken Weingold ] Seeking good enviro/energy songs [LDudich@ase.org] Re: Seeking good enviro/energy songs [Ken Weingold ] Time to come clean... ["Rex.Broome" ] counting backwards [Miles Goosens ] Re: Long band names [Tom Clark ] Re: Seeking good enviro/energy songs [Eric Loehr ] i don't remember [Miles Goosens ] Re: np: power, corruption, and lies [Aaron Mandel ] measure fortune killing time [Miles Goosens ] Re: Long band names [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Another long band name [Tom Clark ] RE: Another long band name ["Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" ] Re: Another long band name [Eb ] Re: time sigs [Eb ] RE: tributaries ["da9ve stovall" ] enviro/energy plus [Ken Ostrander ] A Song for Jeffrey (0% Tull content) [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:02:28 -0500 From: Johnathan Vail Subject: Speaking of Tull (0% RH) I got a cd the other day with a couple of songs by Donnie Brown (of The Verve Pipe) performing live with Ian Anderson. If there is interest I can put these up for snarfing. Not bad, good quality with some banter with Donnie and Ian in there. jv <- the mousepoliceneversleeps ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 12:08:27 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Long band names Mike Godwin: >>What is the Longest Band Name? Probably ...And You Will Know Us By the Trail of Dead? Or... Lisa Lisa and the Cult Jam with Full Force? There are probably longer names in a similar tradition... Howlin' Johnny Weinstein and the New Amazingly Incorruptible Pavement Boys Band featuring the London Symphony Orchestra etc. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:06:07 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Dracae Instead of getting a head start on my end of the month paper work while I'm taking half a sick day, I was looking through a kind of cheesy book about monsters (Monsters Who's Who) and came across a listing that sounded like something Robyn would have made up. I had heard of dracae before, they appear in the Dragon Warrior games, but never knew anything specific about them. I was not expecting this: "English water spirits are traditionally known as DRACAE. They are shape-changers who, according to legend, are to be seen floating down the river in the form of wooden dishes. By this device, they tempt women to try to recover the dishes. The moment an unsuspecting woman does this, the Dracae change to their normal human shape and drag her down to the river bed. These captured human women are then required to nurse the Dracae children." Sounds like there could be a good song in there, maybe even a concept album... Later, Marc n.p.--She's as Beautiful as a Foot--Blue Oyster Cult ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 12:12:16 -0800 (PST) From: drew Subject: np: power, corruption, and lies I also found a cheap used copy of Movement. So I'm all set with my New Order for now. > From: "matt sewell" > > My view of Radiohead is somewhat compromised by being personally attacked > by them on record... Explain, please. > From: "Rex.Broome" > > Hell, I'm not even THAT big of a fan of Miller... what's baffling is why you > feel so compelled to be such a dick on this subject, and at such length. > Entrapment, I say. Like telling a guy his clothes look gay, and when he > objects, calling him a homophobe. I guess that's one way to get your kicks. If you figure Eb's just "being a dick" and just doing it for kicks, why bother responding to him? Are his comments really all that different from any of the other discussion on this list, once you factor out the ad hominem jibes at the fans? I for one have found the discussion interesting, because it's provided me with two opposing views on an artist I have yet to check out, and given me a good glimpse of what the music's like into the bargain. > Drew on Monster: > >>I love it all (with the possible exception of "I Don't Sleep, I Dream"). > > Hands down my favorite track on that record. Sigh... *Man*. What a glorious, diverse world we live in. :) > From: "Rex.Broome" > > I expect truly hip > people to punch me for have any Blur records. Why would you expect that? If you just had the "Song 2" single, that might be different, but Blur were *good* at one point. > Also, it cracks me up how I can't hear Noel Gallagher without him mention > how System of a Down are the worst band ever He's just upset because they knocked Oasis from that spot. ...no, I'm kidding, but I really do despise Oasis and have since "Wonderwall." Oh, yes, I did think of a band to hate: VNV Nation. They are (1) incredibly dull, (2) annoyingly Teutonic, and (3) shite. I have no idea why every goth on the fucking planet adores them. - -- drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:17:38 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: Guitar heroes? Rex: > Well, they would certainly play more notes than Eb's team. Tumeni Notes! Another one - Steve Morse! Heh. > I have a few records with two of these guys on them, when they were > teenagers, and in the same band, but... uhhh... you like the Soft Boys? > Really? Quite a lot, really. I'll admit to being a Robyn solo (and w/ the Egyptians) fan more than the SB's, but I do LOVE Kim's guitar style. These things are not incompatible; I love classical music and heavy metal., I'm a guitarist who spends most of his time acoustic fingerpicking, I listen to prog rock and sea shanties, Ute Lemper and Montrose. I'm a little bemused by the idea that this surprises people, especially given the astonishing variety of tastes on this particular list...I mean, we ALL don't just adore Nuetral Milk Hotel! (well, maybe we all do, but you get the point). And I still think Pitchfork jumped the shark by omitting Slayer's "Reign in Blood" from their 80's list. Criminal. Michael "buried in the mists of history, or whatever the hell Eb said" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:17:13 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Long band names On Mon, Nov 25, 2002, Rex.Broome wrote: > Mike Godwin: > >>What is the Longest Band Name? > > Probably ...And You Will Know Us By the Trail of Dead? > > Or... > > Lisa Lisa and the Cult Jam with Full Force? There's also My Life With The Thrill Kill Cult. And We've Got A Fuzzbox and We're Gonna Use It. Or was that just the album name? - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:20:21 -0500 From: LDudich@ase.org Subject: Seeking good enviro/energy songs My fellow Fegs- I have been asked by our president to try to come up with some good enviromental/ energy related songs for our 25th Aniversary party. (My past with Number Nine Line has made me the "Alliance to Save Energy Rock Consultant" :)) So, I figured I should turn to you guys for help. I've got: The most obvious 1. "Rockin in the Free World"- Neil Young (which includes some biting car stuff too "A man of the people says keep hope alive, got fuel to burn, got roads to drive", and is sadly even more on target today than when Neil was attacking W's dad) 2. "Mercy Mercy Me (The Ecology)" Marvin Gaye 3. "peggy Suicide" Julian Cope Yes, the whole damn album. Got more suggestions? And, are there any Robyn songs that fit the bill? - -luther Luther W. Dudich Alliance to Save Energy Buildings Team 202/530-2243 202/262-8352 (cell) 202/331-9588 (fax) ldudich@ase.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:34:50 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Seeking good enviro/energy songs On Mon, Nov 25, 2002, LDudich@ase.org wrote: > I have been asked by our president to try to come up with some good > enviromental/ energy related songs for our 25th Aniversary party. (My past > with Number Nine Line has made me the "Alliance to Save Energy Rock > Consultant" :)) Helter Smelter from Fifteen: . And I suppose a lot of their other stuff too. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 12:41:17 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Time to come clean... Jeffrey FF: >>I mean, if we defend Miller enthusiastically, we're overzealous; if we're more >>nuanced and acknowledge Scott's faults, then we get asked whether we "even >>*like* Miller's lyrics," etc. Jeff, it's time for us to come clean. Of course we don't actually like Scott Miller's music. Who could? It's just that *acting* like you like Scott Miller's music will get you laid so fast you wouldn't believe it. And that's just one of the benefits of the charade! Ha ha ha! - -Rex "I bet you all believe I really like the Soft Boys too!" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:00:40 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: counting backwards Drew: >Oh, yes, I did think of a band to hate: VNV Nation. They >are (1) incredibly dull, (2) annoyingly Teutonic, and (3) >shite. I have no idea why every goth on the fucking planet >adores them. I've never heard of them until just now. But then again, I'm not a goth, even though I picked BLOODFLOWERS as my #1 album of 2000 (he said, tying together a few threads). Rex: >Mike Godwin: >>>What is the Longest Band Name? > >Probably ...And You Will Know Us By the Trail of Dead? I saw them on their Conan appearance (again, never having heard 'em before), and the only thing I can remember about them is that they all had the Moe haircut. No Curlys, no Larrys, all Moes. Expect them to break up soon, as There Can Be Only One Moe per band. Man, Bill Flanigan's book on the Three Stooges had way too much influence over my developmental years. >Or... > >Lisa Lisa and the Cult Jam with Full Force? Ah, the Dolly Parton of hip-hop. Kay... way to think of some bands to hate! See Momus "9 from the '90s" (beginning with http://www.demon.co.uk/momus/thought290899.html) -- I think he only finished four entries -- for some similar thoughts. I hope our own Mr. Norman will not be displeased if I also submit his http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/faves.html, a pioneering essay in this vein, for consideration by the list. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:24:02 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Long band names on 11/25/02 12:08 PM, Rex.Broome at Rex.Broome@preferredmedia.com wrote: > Mike Godwin: >>> What is the Longest Band Name? > > Probably ...And You Will Know Us By the Trail of Dead? > > Or... > > Lisa Lisa and the Cult Jam with Full Force? > "Mark Olson and The Original Harmony Ridge Creek Dippers" is pretty damn long. So much so he has changed the name to "Mark Olson and The Creekdippers". - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:29:01 -0500 From: Eric Loehr Subject: Re: Seeking good enviro/energy songs At 03:20 PM 11/25/2002 -0500, LDudich@ase.org wrote: >My fellow Fegs- > >I have been asked by our president to try to come up with some good >enviromental/ energy related songs for our 25th Aniversary party. (My past >with Number Nine Line has made me the "Alliance to Save Energy Rock >Consultant" :)) > >So, I figured I should turn to you guys for help. There's one by John Hall (ever hear of Orleans?) called "Power"; it was on a John Hall solo album (called "Power") and was in the No Nukes movie & soundtrack, performed by John Hall, Bonnie Raitt, Jackson Browne, James Taylor, etc. (Lyrics below): Eric "sorry for the CAPS" POWER John and Johanna Hall- Siren Songs BMI JUST GIVE ME THE WARM POWER OF THE SUN GIVE ME THE STEADY FLOW OF A WATERFALL GIVE ME THE SPIRIT OF LIVING THINGS AS THEY RETURN TO CLAY. JUST GIVE ME THE RESTLESS POWER OF THE WIND GIVE ME THE COMFORTING GLOW OF A WOOD FIRE BUT PLEASE TAKE ALL OF YOUR ATOMIC POISON POWER AWAY. G Bm/ Em D/ AmBm CD G(D) // EVERYBODY NEEDS SOME POWER I'M TOLD TO SHIELD THEM FROM THE DARKNESS AND THE COLD SOME MAY SEE A WAY TO TAKE CONTROL WHEN IT'S BOUGHT AND SOLD. I KNOW THAT LIVES ARE AT STAKE YOURS AND MINE AND OUR DESCENDANTS IN TIME. THERE'S SO MUCH TO GAIN, SO MUCH TO LOSE EVERYONE OF US HAS TO CHOOSE. (CHORUS) WE ARE ONLY NOW BEGINNING TO SEE HOW DELICATE THE BALANCE OF NATURE CAN BE THE LIMITS OF HER WAYS HAVE BEEN DEFINED AND WE'VE CROSSED THAT LINE. SOME DON'T EVEN CARE OR KNOW THAT WE'LL PAY BUT WE HAVE SEEN THE FACE OF DEATH IN OUR DAY. THERE'S SO LITTLE TIME TO CHANGE OUR WAYS IF ONLY WE TOGETHER CAN SAY (CHORUS) ALL OF YOUR ATOMIC POISON POWER ALL OF YOUR ATOMIC POISON POWER AWAY. Am Bm C D ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:46:18 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: i don't remember Saturday evening, inspired by Drew's recent spate of listening to old things to reassess them, I pulled out Sugar's COPPER BLUE and BEASTER. I was hoping my tastes would have grown and developed since the mid-'90s in a way that would make these albums finally come to life for me. Sadly, it didn't happen. The albums were more melodic than I remembered, but the melodies weren't *memorable,* if that makes any sense. Tuneful without catchiness. And while I'm usually not as fond of messy production as some folks, both albums sounded far too clean, even when the band is rocking out as hard as they can. Once again, these songs washed over me and left nothing behind. Kay: >Unless your talking Webster's 2nd unabridged, them be fighten words. While I was being jocular when I introduced Webster's 2nd into the discussion, it was in fact based on a real love for that fine, fat, essential reference, an affection passed on to me by my mom, who also most generously gave me her personal copy when I sat out for grad school. It is so much better than the 3rd ed. that it's ridiculous. Unless there are a lot of "new" words you have to look up, the 2nd is the one dictionary to bind them all, or something like that. As a history and English student, it was exactly what I needed for all the words I'd encounter in histories, primary documents, and literature. Rex: >I love Elvis Mitchell... I first knew him as a radio personality and >remember being mildly surprised to find out he was black. He was briefly >considered for the Gene Siskel spot opposite Roger Ebert... that woulda been >essential viewing. My only viewing exposure to that Elvis was a David Lynch interview he did several years ago (around the time of LOST HIGHWAY, I think), and I thought he was extremely lame. A few of his actual print reviews have come 'round this way via our daily paper, and he came off much, much better there -- made me think that he either had a bad night or is one of those people who simply comes off better in print than on camera. Not that there's anything wrong with that, as long as you quit trying to get on camera. Anyway, that makes me think that he wouldn't have been an ideal replacement for Siskel. Eric: >Miles -- maybe you remember the song from one of Ray's many solo >"Storyteller"shows? -- I'm sure that's where the song first appeared. I had this thought myself -- even though it doesn't jibe with my actual memory of hearing the song on the import, a memory which comes complete with time of day, season, location, etc. But I didn't see a STORYTELLER live show until 1998, I didn't have a bootleg of any of the solo shows, and I confirmed with Jill that the VH-1 "Storyteller" episode didn't air until after the domestic TO THE BONE came out. So I'm still without an explanation that makes sense... Eb: >>I can't think of any other >>bands I want to dis today. :) > >How about Foghat? Foghat did sound fabulous if you were in a big ol' '70s car, blaring it on 8-track. Don't the Beastie Boys depict this in the "Shake Your Rump" video? I remember thinking "yeah, that's *exactly* right!" when I saw it. That vid also anticipated the '70s revival, which has somehow lasted longer than the actual '70s. Nur delurked! Nur! Is it old home week, or what? later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:46:14 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: np: power, corruption, and lies On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, drew wrote: > Oh, yes, I did think of a band to hate: VNV Nation. They > are (1) incredibly dull, (2) annoyingly Teutonic, and (3) > shite. I have no idea why every goth on the fucking planet > adores them. A new friend of mine is quite keen on introducing me to this whole fleet of 'modern industrial' bands like VNV Nation, Haujobb, Covenant and others. I kind of liked a few songs by Apoptygma Berserk, but I don't exactly get how this is a whole genre now. Isn't industrial supposed to be sonically punishing or something? Beat Happening are harder-core than these guys, and Soviet play better synthpop despite being CHRISTIANS. What's going on? a P.S. I'm not categorically picking on Christians, I'm just saying, from within the goth/industrial/whatever mindset it seems like being outplayed by people who believe in Jesus would be particularly ignominious. I don't really know what I'm talking about. All the goths could be wearing WWJD bracelets now and I would be the last one to know. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:02:33 -0800 (PST) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: Long band names What about Dan Bern and The International Jewish Banking Conspiracy? I think they are going by the IJBC these days. =jbj= On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Tom Clark wrote: > "Mark Olson and The Original Harmony Ridge Creek Dippers" is pretty damn > long. So much so he has changed the name to "Mark Olson and The > Creekdippers". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:20:27 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: measure fortune killing time Marc Holden: >I liked Tin Machine. For a while, I liked them a lot. This makes what, four Fegs for Tin Machine? Cool. Three more than I knew about before. >It was really disappointing, because they were great live >(the Neighborhoods opened), and did a killer cover of Debaser. At the risk of incurring The Wrath of Eb, there's a red-hot "Debaser" cover on the Loud Family's posthumous live album, FROM RITUAL TO ROMANCE. >I liked Bowie's recent cover of Cactus on the Heathen album. Has he covered >any more Pixies songs? I'd like to hear him do something like Gouge Away. I don't know if Bowie's covered more. Another person I'd like to hear do a Pixies song is Robert Plant, a guy who's been surprisingly hip to "underground" music ever since his Zep days and who likes the Pixies. Mike K.: >>OK Computer isn't even Radiohead's best album! The Bends is, IMHO, far >>better. > >I have a friend who insists "The Bends" is Obscured By Clouds to "OK >Computer"'s Dark Side. Also says it takes a few listens to get into. I'm >still giving it that chance, but it hasn't grown on me yet. I think this is taking the Floyd analogy (whoever was first to it was insightful, but now it's gotten so commonplace that it Obscures Real Meaning) way too far. If the album he says takes a few listens is OK COMPUTER, I think he's right, but if he means THE BENDS -- man, that one's a grabber. I appreciated it *even more* after a few listens, but I was hot to give it those few listens right from the first spin. Drew, to my "Return of Quailmaniax!" post: >Oh, I know, I cut it off at the point where I thought you were >going somewhere else, you see. And I used a smiley because I >knew you didn't mean to sound snobbish. Cue "I Didn't Mean To Be Mean." :-) >> Me, I would see every show from the vantage point of an invisible plastic >> bubble, where I could see and hear everything, but *not* have to bump into >> people, *not* hear the person next to me singing the words out of tune, and >> *not* having The Giant Youth Of Today block out the stage. > >I feel that way too, except when the audience is hot, I picture this as a variant of The Audience Is Listening. Damn you, George Lucas. >which >happens a lot less often than I would like. The only two times I've had women openly flirting with and rubbing against me at shows, they weren't the women I would have liked. There is that whole inconvenient "married" thing too. :-) But if they'd been hotter, I would have at least felt flattered as well as sullied! Rex: >Miles, I usually hate "hey let's talk about why we're all here in this >forum" posts, but I really liked your "Great Quail Apologia". Probably >because I seem to share your viewpoint on a lot of stuff (cf. both what >"artistic taste" is all about AND what makes a compelling artist-- >art-first/take-it-or-leave-it indeed). It's always nice to have allies. I think I'm in the minority (not necessarily here on Feg, but in the world in general) on not needing/wanting the group participation thing. It's somewhat analogous to the customer service surveys that usually show that people want their bank tellers to call them by their name: unless I *know* the bank teller, I don't feel like I got "personalized" service from them if they say "Thank you, Miles" -- I feel creeped out. I do recognize the way that at something like Glenn Tilbrook's hugely fun show last night, or a P-Funk show, the crowd thing is essential. But even then, there was one P-Funk show I saw where the band coasted for the first 90 minutes, sticking to mostly a rhythm vamp and letting the crowd sing *everything.* I mean, they might as well have not had microphones onstage, and I didn't pay to hear the guy next to me sing, y'know? OK, I digressed some. Sorry. James: >man - someone else who knows Screaming Trees! Grunge plus mellotron is an >odd mix, but, IMHO, a very enjoyable one. I love the Screaming Trees, and Mark Lanegan's first two solo albums too. Good stuff. Aside from Nirvana (and they were hardly Avatars of Grunge, IMO -- more a solid descendant of the R.E.M./Replacements family tree), almost all the Seattle bands that made it big were the wrong ones. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:48:32 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Long band names Quoting Ken Weingold : > On Mon, Nov 25, 2002, Rex.Broome wrote: > > Mike Godwin: > > >>What is the Longest Band Name? > > > > Probably ...And You Will Know Us By the Trail of Dead? > > > > Or... > > > > Lisa Lisa and the Cult Jam with Full Force? > > There's also My Life With The Thrill Kill Cult. And We've Got A > Fuzzbox and We're Gonna Use It. Or was that just the album name? When People Were Shorter and Lived Near the Water. Sheesh! ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:10:56 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Another long band name Just ran across this from the Stiff Records Box Set: "The Inspirational Choir Of The Pentecostal First-Born Church Of the Living God" Beat THAT! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:18:18 -0800 From: "Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" Subject: RE: Another long band name > Just ran across this from the Stiff Records Box Set: > "The Inspirational Choir Of The Pentecostal First-Born Church Of the > Living God" Shit! And I Thought I had found the winner with: The Rock And Roll Dubble Bubble Trading Card Company of Philadelphia 1941, who I think only had one single "Bubble Gum Music" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:20:08 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Another long band name On Mon, Nov 25, 2002, Tom Clark wrote: > Just ran across this from the Stiff Records Box Set: > "The Inspirational Choir Of The Pentecostal First-Born Church Of the Living > God" > > Beat THAT! I think we have a winner! - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:24:38 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Another long band name Good job on these long band names. I can't top them. ;) Though, no one has mentioned an obvious candidate yet: The Presidents of the United States of America. BTW, I tend to think acts of the "[name] and [backing band]" format should be only listed with an asterisk. Kudos to whoever remembered the 10 minutes of hype for We've Got a Fuzzbox.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:29:16 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: time sigs >Some great 7/4s include Solsbury Hill (Peter >Gabriel) It always amazes how "clap and singalong, everyone!" that song is, despite its weird time signature. Brilliant. >Neil Young's "Words", part of which is in 11/8 It is? Huh, I'll have to check out that one again. Though unfortunately, I may not own a copy. Not a fan of Harvest. Eb ------------------------------ Date: 25 Nov 2002 15:37:18 -0800 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: RE: tributaries >>I should also mention his [Bob Mould's] cover of Thompson's Turning of the Tide on >>the Richard Thompson tribute album. Bob does it with X as his >>backing band. Great song. >Man, how did I miss that one? Wow. Damn. Cool. There are (at least) two Richard Thompson tributes, so you might not see it no matter how close you look. First, _The World Is A Wonderful Place_, Green Linnet Records, 1993, including Ian Kearey & Ivor Cutler (!), Victoria Williams, Peter Blegvad (For Shame of Doing Wrong). Second, _Beat the Retreat_ - Capitol, 1994, and is the one with the Mould version of Turning of the Tide, also Los Lobos, June Tabor, Dinosaur Jr., Graham Parker, David Byrne. I think one of 'em has a 'hidden' track featuring Linda Thompson, but I can't remember which. da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:44:39 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: enviro/energy plus luther: >> I have been asked by our president to try to come up with some good >> enviromental/ energy related songs for our 25th Aniversary party. (My past >> with Number Nine Line has made me the "Alliance to Save Energy Rock >> Consultant" :)) not sure how many of these will work for you: atomic power - jello biafra hard day on the planet - loudon wainwright III the price of oil - billy bragg breathing - kate bush perspective - peter gabriel ether - gang of four natural blues - moby the dead heart - midnight oil in god's country - u2 texarkana - r.e.m. (nothing but) flowers - talking heads sick of you - lou reed north country blues - dylan that's how grateful we are - chumbawamba cesspools in eden - dead kennedys slash 'n' burn - manic street preachers running on empty - jackson browne youngstown - springsteen natural mystic - marley earthly paradise - egyptians don't forget that thingie from schoolhouse rock: "e n e r g y...the less you use the more you saaaave" i've also heard about this compilation: S.T.A.R.S. (Solar Technology and Rock Songs) and these might help as well: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Vines/2400/performers.html http://www.planetaryexploration.net/patriot/earth_songs.html#songs michael g: >PS The only one of those 80s records I've got is 'Underwater Moonlight'; >but I do have three copies! hey me too! well four if you count the cassette i made. james: >> OK Computer isn't even Radiohead's best album! The Bends is, IMHO, >> far better. agreed. somehow, okc loses me near the end. matt: >My view of Radiohead is somewhat compromised by being personally attacked >by them on record... i can see that...i mean...what?! michael k: >Other notes... apropos of nothing, replying to the list is funny. I check >my mail, read & reply to all, and in that time a few more posts come in, >which I reply to, during which a handful more come in... reminds me of >Xeno's paradox, where try as he might the hare is never quite able to >overtake the slower tortoise. just when i think i'm all caught up, i've fallen behind again. this reminds me of newman explaining the stress of the postal worker: "the mail never stops. every day it piles up, more and more and more, and you've got to get it out, and the more you get out, the more keeps coming in. and then the barcode reader breaks! and it's publisher's clearing house..." ken "welcome to your life" the kenster ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:51:17 -0700 From: Eb Subject: A Song for Jeffrey (0% Tull content) > > >>Do you even *like* Miller's lyrics at all, beyond whatever > > >>nudge-nudge, in-joke allusions they might include? > >Yes You'd scarcely know this from reading your own reviews, which mostly seem to focus on happily counting how many ingredients and left turns which Miller forcibly crams into one song. And when you do praise a lyric, it's more about the "witty" wordplay (an adjective which is always a two-edged sword) of a single line than the lyric's overall feeling. You did praise his ability to write song titles, though. >What's really weird, Eb, is your apparent inability to acknowledge >that others' >tastes differ from yours. Listen, homie...I can understand *lots* of tastes different from mine. I could name a hoard of bands which I don't personally collect, but whose popularity makes perfect sense to me. U2, Rush, the Beastie Boys, Metallica, Lynyrd Skynyrd, KISS, the Dixie Chicks, Los Lobos, Tom Petty, whatever. Those were just the first examples which came to mind. Give me a day, and I could come up with a hundred names. I do have a harder time in Scott Miller's case, since he's located smack-dab in the middle of an indie-rock/indie-pop realm which I characteristically enjoy. And while I can certainly understand why someone would like his work (after all, I own it myself), it's totally inexplicable to me how someone could view him as being at the top of his field. For reasons which I have already stated. The "smartypantsness" which his fans typically gush about is such an empty, soulless criterion. It's like people who would prefer Dennis "Another" Miller over Richard Pryor. And if you *must* plunge headlong into this mentality, hell, aim yourself at Frank Zappa instead. A note on another thread: I don't think there's much shame in liking the Monkees anymore. Time has been good to their reputation. Headquarters and Pisces, Capricorn... are fine albums (certainly better than anything Scott Miller ever did ;)), and the band has a slew of great singles. Eb (what does the phrase "smack-dab" mean, anyway?) ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #399 ********************************