From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #397 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, November 24 2002 Volume 11 : Number 397 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Passion Play ["Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" ] Re: Catching Up [Eb ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #396 [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Concerts, with retsin ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Concerts, with retsin [Sebastian Hagedorn ] the pope, they kissed his ring [drew ] hey man slow down [drew ] Re: hey man slow down [Eb ] Re: hey man slow down [Jeff Dwarf ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 15:12:10 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: Re: Passion Play At 9:21 AM +0000 11/23/02, Brian Hoare transmitted: >After seeing James' list furhter up the digest, I formulated mine and got >the same answer. I stopped buying Tull after Creast of a Knave so I don't >know Catfish Rising. They actually eventually recovered from that whole lousy late '80s phase - damn that Ian Anderson and his personality changes! Catfish Rising even addresses it - there's a song on it with a prominent refrain that goes "I'm turning again, yes, I'm turning again". CR has some incredibly lame tracks on it but also some of their best tracks in at least 10 years - the songs "Thinking 'Round Corners" and "Roll Yer Own" alone make the album worth having. Mike - -- ======== We need love, expression, and truth. We must not allow ourselves to believe that we can fill the round hole of our spirit with the square peg of objective rationale. - Paul Eppinger At non effugies meos iambos - Gaius Valerius Catallus ("...but you won't get away from my poems.") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 17:19:25 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Monkees, Rap, and John Cale Quoting "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" : > >little known fact: The Monkees were the first pop band to use a Moog on any > >of their recordings, on the 1967 song "Daily nightly". Seems Mickey Dolenz > >is an incredible technophile, and knew the good Dr Moog. So you could also > >say that the Monkees were synth innovators, too. > > Wow. I always thought the first use of a synth in pop music was Lucky Man, > narrowly beating out Baba O'Riley. I must investigate further. Somebody > must've changed the past on me again. No, "Star Collector" (as someone else already corrected) preceded both of those two. As did "Here Comes the Sun" and "Maxwell's Silver Hammer," by some Liverpool act. I can't recall if any of those odd keyboard sounds on _Strange Days_ by the Doors were synths, but they might have been. There's also a track whose title I forget on the Tommy James & the Shondells album with "Crimson & Clover" on it that features synth. Almost all of those early Moogs were programmed (back when someone else had to do this) by Paul Beaver. Google his name, and see what you find. > Hey, have any of you ever seen the > Monkee's movie, "Head"? The Dolphin Song is a wonderful piece of > psychedelia in 5/4. The Monkeys weren't entirely a novelty act. I forget, > it was actually written by Carole King or somebody. Gerry Goffin and Carole King. But it's not in 5/4 - although I think there's another Monkees track that has a few bars in 5. Actually, that Tommy James track I'm thinking of has a section in 5/4. "Changes," that's its title. Oh - and "Elenore" by the Turtles has a synth! ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: This album is dedicated to anyone who started out as an animal and :: winds up as a processing unit. :: --Soft Boys, note, _Can of Bees_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 00:37:20 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Concerts, with retsin - --On Montag, 18. November 2002 4:53 Uhr -0700 Eb wrote: >> From: Sebastian Hagedorn >> >> > Robyn Hitchcock (nine times...and *not* counting twice w/Soft Boys) >> >> That's TOP?? I've seen the Feelies at least 30 times and Yo La Tengo > somewhere between 15 and 20. > > The Feelies performed in Germany 30 times? That amazes me. No, they didn't. They played here a lot, but not quite 30 shows. If I'm counting correctly I saw them in Germany 8 times, 2 or 3 times in the Netherlands and the rest of the shows in the US... from Boston to Tampa. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ Being just contaminates the void - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 23:43:33 -0000 From: "Eclipse Tuliphead" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #396 making this short and sweet: > From: Ken Weingold > I should also mention his cover of Thompson's Turning of the Tide on > the Richard Thompson tribute album. Bob does it with X as his > backing band. Great song. i've not heard this, but i'll have to check it out. - --- > Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 04:40:41 -0800 > From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" > Daily Nightly. I forgot about that song. Hey, have any of you ever seen the > Monkee's movie, "Head"? The Dolphin Song is a wonderful piece of > psychedelia in 5/4. The Monkeys weren't entirely a novelty act. I forget, > it was actually written by Carole King or somebody. i bought this movie as soon as it came out on DVD. one of my absolute favorites! the story goes that it was written by the Monkees and Jack Nicholson while in Hawaii stoned out of their gourds ... and while it makes little sense (on the surface), they decided to make it anyway upon returning to CA and sobriety. produced by Nicholson, it also features Annette Funicello, Teri Garr, Frank Zappa, Victor Mature (which always makes me think of Hornets Attack Victor Mature), and Sonny Liston. music by Nesmith, Tork, and Carole King. Tork's "Do I Have To Do This All Over Again" is a great song with a beautiful bridge in the middle, accompanied in the movie by some neat psychedelic camera effects. Negativland even used some spoken samples from this movie in a song! definitely in my top 10 movie list. :) Monkees is ze crazies peoples! Eclipse - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eclipse eclipse@tuliphead.com Kindness towards all things is the true religion. - Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 15:33:08 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: Re: Best live bands Wow, I am glad you came out of hiding - that takes top billing as the list of concerts I am most jealous of. At 9:45 AM -0800 11/23/02, Nur R Gale transmitted: >i haven't posted here in a real long time.. but reflecting on my most >memorable gigs was lots of fun. By "memorable" that means some real bombs >burnt in my neurons and that no amount of therapy will erase. In that >group i must include Miles Davis at Avery Fisher in '71. He played the >entire show almost off stage on the side with his back to the audience the >entire time. The Stones in Philly '77 utterly sucked. An outdoor concert >in drizzle. I remember most the Pagan motorcycle gang destroying the stage >after the Stones were boo'd off and fled to a helicopter. It was kind of >neat though seeing a speaker billowing in smoke from the distance as we >left the stadium. > >Keith Jarrett solo in Chicago '83 -- a night of one of those feared >blizzards that grace ChiTown. Jarrett interupted the concert to yell at >the audience about half a dozen times, stormed off twice then returned and >vowed to never perform solo in the US again because Americans don't know >how to listen to music. Then again, one of my best shows was Jarrett at >the Village Vanguard in '79 w/ Jan Garbarek, Palle Danielsson, and Jon >Christensen (perhaps Europe's best jazz studio drummer) and again solo at >Princeton in '81 > >Great shows -- Pharaoh Sanders at the Vanguard in '74, my girl friend and >i sat at the table with Supertramp's saxist and his date. When he >introduced himself -- i can't remember his name -- was able to say i never >heard of his group. But Sanders was amazing back then. > >I did catch Sandy Denny once with Fairport at the folk fest at Cornell in >'74. But it was a short set, nestled between Sonny Terry/Brownie McGee and >David Bromberg who was top bill that night. They were all roaring drunk, >especially Sandy and Swarbrick. Also saw Incredible String Band that same >year -- a let down though. > >I must have seen Richard Thompson at least 20 times, but my favorites were >with Linda at the Bottom Line in '82, and Wolfgangs '86 and Warfield '96 >in San Francisco. > >The other shows that utterly blew me away: >King Crimson, Central Park '74 (my favorite KC lineup) >Procul Harem, Fillmore East '70 -- my 2nd concert ever >Roxy Music at the Academy of Music, NYC in '74, again in Phila in '79 >Waterboys in San Fran in '85 -- IMO the 80s best live rock act >Mahavishnu Orchestra, Cornell Univ '73 -- with the original Weatherport >warming up! >Jethro Tull, Asbury Park '72 playing most of Benefit - Yes warmed up >Bowie in Philadelphia '72 and Madison Square Garden '74 > >Recent memorable shows -- i was really blown away by Sigur Ros at the >Fillmore on their first tour -- the media hype aside, my skin melted >during the set. Then Habib Koite (guitarist from Mali) at UC-Berkeley >'00, Godspeed You Black Emporer at Great American '00, and the Waterboys >at the Fillmore last year stand out for me. yeah, perhaps i should add >Cave's shows in San Fran this year, and his acoustic gig in '01. > >nur > >np Terje Rypdal "Concerto for Double Electric Guitars" w/ Trondheim >Orchestra - live - -- ======== We need love, expression, and truth. We must not allow ourselves to believe that we can fill the round hole of our spirit with the square peg of objective rationale. - Paul Eppinger At non effugies meos iambos - Gaius Valerius Catallus ("...but you won't get away from my poems.") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 16:02:15 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #396 At 11:43 PM +0000 11/23/02, Eclipse Tuliphead transmitted: >i bought this movie as soon as it came out on DVD. Hey Eclipse, if memory serves, you're in SF, aren't you? I think you're now legally obligated to invite a bunch of strangers over for a viewing party... I can bring Gotta Let This Hen Out, Storefront Hitchcock, and The Rutles... Pompeii too if you've got VHS as well and want to make a full fledged festival of it. Actually if you like the idea but not the strangers in your house part, I can volunteer my living room if you can bring the DVD player (I have video out from my laptop but playback is spotty, I wouldn't want to inflict that on a roomful of people.) At 5:19 PM -0600 11/23/02, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey transmitted: >Quoting "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" : > I always thought the first use of a synth in pop music was Lucky Man, > >No, "Star Collector" (as someone else already corrected) preceded both of >those >two. As did "Here Comes the Sun" and "Maxwell's Silver Hammer," by some >Liverpool >act. I can't recall if any of those odd keyboard sounds on _Strange Days_ >by the >Doors were synths, but they might have been. There's also a track whose >title I >forget on the Tommy James & the Shondells album with "Crimson & Clover" on >it that >features synth. > >> Hey, have any of you ever seen the >> Monkee's movie, "Head"? The Dolphin Song is a wonderful piece of >> psychedelia in 5/4. The Monkeys weren't entirely a novelty act. I forget, >> it was actually written by Carole King or somebody. > >Gerry Goffin and Carole King. But it's not in 5/4 - although I think >there's >another Monkees track that has a few bars in 5. Actually, that Tommy James >track >I'm thinking of has a section in 5/4. "Changes," that's its title. > >Oh - and "Elenore" by the Turtles has a synth! Thanks for the misc info & corrections. It appears someone's been dicking around with the past with a great deal more frequency than they used to. I'm gonna have to check my facts before I open my mouth from now on until I can get to the bottom of this. This is still the Robyn Hitchcock fan list, isn't it? Other notes... apropos of nothing, replying to the list is funny. I check my mail, read & reply to all, and in that time a few more posts come in, which I reply to, during which a handful more come in... reminds me of Xeno's paradox, where try as he might the hare is never quite able to overtake the slower tortoise. Mike - -- ======== We need love, expression, and truth. We must not allow ourselves to believe that we can fill the round hole of our spirit with the square peg of objective rationale. - Paul Eppinger At non effugies meos iambos - Gaius Valerius Catallus ("...but you won't get away from my poems.") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 16:07:01 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: RE: Monkees, Rap, and John Cale Oops, accidentally replied just to Terrence with this one... At 8:31 AM -0500 11/23/02, Terrence Marks transmitted: >> little known fact: The Monkees were the first pop band to use a Moog on >any >> of their recordings, on the 1967 song "Daily nightly". Seems Mickey >>Dolenz >> is an incredible technophile, and knew the good Dr Moog. So you could >>also >> say that the Monkees were synth innovators, too. > >"Star Collector" actually. "Daily Nightly" features some really neat but >non-synthesized keyboard, as I recall. The video of "Daily Nightly" shows him playing the line on a modular synth, although as we now know that doesn't necessarily mean anything about the actual song. 1967 is waaaay early to use a synth in a recording - I can't think of any other examples until Abbey Road, Who's Next, and "Lucky Man", what, like 2 or 3 years later? Neat trivia of the day: Paul McCartney played the synth solo in Maxwell's Silver Hammer using a ribbon controller, the synth equivalent of a fretless bass, because a keyboard controller wasn't available. Other neat trivia of the day: I used to work for Joel Chadabe, who set up the first electronic music studio in the country with Robert Moog at SUNY Albany in 1963. When I TA'd for him in the late '80s, "The Graveyard", as it had come to be known, was still in existence, the room right next to my office - this wonderful room with the walls absolutely covered with racks and racks of knobs, inputs, and patch cords. I still have the last working peice of it I could find, a passive high-pass/low-pass filter & attentuator. Mike - -- ======== We need love, expression, and truth. We must not allow ourselves to believe that we can fill the round hole of our spirit with the square peg of objective rationale. - Paul Eppinger At non effugies meos iambos - Gaius Valerius Catallus ("...but you won't get away from my poems.") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:29:03 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: Monkees, Rap, and John Cale Quoting "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" : > The video of "Daily Nightly" shows him playing the line on a modular synth, > although as we now know that doesn't necessarily mean anything about the > actual song. 1967 is waaaay early to use a synth in a recording - I can't > think of any other examples until Abbey Road, Who's Next, and "Lucky Man", > what, like 2 or 3 years later? Here's a page on Paul Beaver and Bernie Krause: http://www.spaceagepop.com/beaver.htm It mentions them trying to sell synths to various artists, including the Doors (previously mentioned), the Byrds (synth on _Notorious Byrd Brothers_, 1968), Rolling Stones (earliest synth use for them?), and Simon & Garfunkel ("Save the Life of My Child" from _Bookends_, 1968, has a synth). But none of these can top this one (depending on your definition of a synth): . God, I love that sound. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: we make everything you need, and you need everything we make ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 20:29:12 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Catching Up The pointy hatted one: > reminds me of > Xeno's paradox, where try as he might the hare is never quite able to > overtake the slower tortoise. Good old Zeno, he used to be offered up by a Philosophy undergrad I knew trying to explain away getting sidetracked on beer runs. Me: What the hell took you so long? A: Well, you know Zeno's dichotomy paradox says... Me: Oh, shut up. And Zeno of Elea can be rearranged to read Loonee Faze, btw. =========== I find myself laughing out loud listening to replays of "Vegetable Man" from this tour. Robyn does the best John Lyndon impersonation I believe I've ever heard. "It's-a what I wear." Beautiful. =========== Eb: Well, lookie here, fellas...seems we got ourselves a METAL fan here! ;) (I can't imagine ever owning any of these albums...not even the Zappa one. Actually, I never noticed you had this hard-rock bent, until a couple of recent posts!) You should see the ones I left off the list :-p Now, I'll grant you that a few of mine might be called 'hard-rock,' but regardless of genre no "best of 80s" list should be without at least half of the ones I mentioned. It's incomprehensible to me that the entire catalog of one of the world's greatest guitarists (SRV) would be ignored in favor of what - two, three? - albums by The Fall. Really now. The 80's actually sounded a lot different 'round these parts than the list would suggest. > >Actually, didn't the list blow off almost every major guitar hero who put out > >work in the 80's? Eb: > Prince, Andy Gill, Curt Kirkwood, Billy Zoom, Peter Buck, Slash, > Robert Fripp, the Edge, J Mascis, Thurston Moore/Lee Ranaldo, Andy > Summers, Bob Mould, Marc Ribot, Johnny Marr...nope! ;) I couldn't think of a better argument for my point :) I will give you Summers (and maybe Mascis) and I clearly overlooked the Frippmeister, but hell... tell you what, call your team "the included" and I'll call mine "the ignored" and we'll have at it. I'm sending out: Eddie Van Halen, Alex Lifeson, Rik Emmett, Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck (forget to add "Guitar Shop"), Stevie Ray Vaughan, Vivian Campbell, Ritchie Blackmore, Angus Young, Yngwie Malmsteen, and Frank Zappa. To start with. =========== Last thoughts on lists...did I miss "Avalon" by Roxy Music, or did that not make it? Where was "Back in Black?" Still think "Zen Arcade" should rate higher (like top 10) and most of the top 10 would rate lower except for Public Enemy. Bugger the whole thing, actually, but their 90's one is worse. Much worse. Michael "hard rock, shmard rock" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 19:08:07 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Catching Up >Now, I'll grant you that a few of mine might be called 'hard-rock,' but >regardless of genre no "best of 80s" list should be without at least half of >the ones I mentioned. Mmm, I don't agree with this at all. Regardless of my own indifference to those albums, I think Rush's Moving Pictures is the only one of your suggestions which has truly endured in public consciousness. The rest are dubious choices at best, often assembly-line products which happen to contain a radio hit or two. And hopefully, you're aware that you prioritize Triumph much, much higher than most of the world. I wouldn't have even been able to cite any of their album titles. They have been buried by history. And even *Los Angeles* has outgrown Concrete Blonde.... > It's incomprehensible to me that the entire catalog of >one of the world's greatest guitarists (SRV) would be ignored in favor of >what - two, three? - albums by The Fall. SRV never did a thing for me. Blues jams can only take you so far. Dude had no material. (But I thought there were too many Fall albums on the list, too.) Random note: I finally saw the Hedwig & the Angry Inch film the other night, after hearing all kinds of good things about it. WOW, that was...not good. I don't think I can say a single favorable thing about this film, beyond praising the "bravery" of the lead performance. A mess. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 18:47:11 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #396 >Gene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: >> >> Now you're talking! Webster's is *the* dictionary. > >shame the sucker couldn't spell... > >> (Yeah, this one ought to get the word geeks out ...) > >nah, all American dictionaries suck. what the Scot said! >James Dignan wrote: >> OK Computer isn't even Radiohead's best album! The Bends is, IMHO, >> far better. > >Reason 345,094 why I've always like you best!! Amen. OK Computer sorta >peters out towards the end, whereas The Bends keeps on soaring. both >very good albums, but The Bends is truly transcendant. aw shucks Jeff... you'll get me all embarrassed! James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 02:49:45 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Concerts, with retsin >From: Sebastian Hagedorn >> >--On Montag, 18. November 2002 4:53 Uhr -0700 Eb >wrote: > >>>From: Sebastian Hagedorn >>> >>> > Robyn Hitchcock (nine times...and *not* counting twice w/Soft Boys) >>> >>>That's TOP?? I've seen the Feelies at least 30 times and Yo La Tengo >>somewhere between 15 and 20. >> >>The Feelies performed in Germany 30 times? That amazes me. > >No, they didn't. They played here a lot, but not quite 30 shows. If I'm >counting correctly I saw them in Germany 8 times, 2 or 3 times in the >Netherlands and the rest of the shows in the US... from Boston to Tampa. >-- >Sebastian Hagedorn If I recall correctly the Bass player(Brenda?)in fact married a German. Max _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 11:09:29 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Concerts, with retsin - --On Sonntag, 24. November 2002 2:49 Uhr -0500 Maximilian Lang wrote: >>>> That's TOP?? I've seen the Feelies at least 30 times and Yo La Tengo >>> somewhere between 15 and 20. >>> >>> The Feelies performed in Germany 30 times? That amazes me. >> >> No, they didn't. They played here a lot, but not quite 30 shows. If I'm >> counting correctly I saw them in Germany 8 times, 2 or 3 times in the >> Netherlands and the rest of the shows in the US... from Boston to Tampa. > > If I recall correctly the Bass player(Brenda?)in fact married a German. No she didn't ... ;-) She's married to Rich Barnes, her fellow guitar player in the (defunct?) Wild Carnation. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ Being just contaminates the void - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 05:38:41 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Concerts, with retsin >From: Sebastian Hagedorn >>> >>If I recall correctly the Bass player(Brenda?)in fact married a German. > >No she didn't ... ;-) > >She's married to Rich Barnes, her fellow guitar player in the (defunct?) >Wild Carnation. >-- >Sebastian Hagedorn Hmmm, then maybe she was engaged, this was back in 1989. Maybe I just have her confused with another female bass player. Max _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:14:50 -0800 (PST) From: drew Subject: the pope, they kissed his ring > From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) > > Hm, I like Lionheart. Me too -- I like most of The Red Shoes as well. They just happen to be the ones that rank at the bottom of most Kate fans' lists, which is not to say they dislike them. > OK Computer isn't even Radiohead's best album! The Bends is, IMHO, far better. I've heard that before. I don't really agree -- The Bends is incredible, but it's definitely not "far better." The Bends is a collection of excellent songs, most thematically linked. OK Computer has always felt a lot more like an entity to me, a perfectly sequenced gestalt, a song cycle or *something*, I don't think I have the right words, but maybe you see what I mean. At minimum I think the individual songs are at least the equal of those on The Bends. And there are songs on The Bends I usually skip, and none like that on OK Computer. So of course it's a matter of opinion, but I don't think the pro-OC one is unsupportable. > From: "Maximilian Lang" > > Can anyone tell me what in the hell happened to singles? Why the heck did > they stop making them? I think half the fun of collecting records is B > sides. Who stopped making them? > From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" > > Incidentally, about 10 years ago I was friends with a guy from South > Central, and turned him on to "Paul's Boutique" and he thought it was > pretty damn cool. So much for "whiteboy" music. I don't recall claiming the Beasties made "'whiteboy' music." Did someone else say that or did you just misunderstand me? - -- drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:36:14 -0800 (PST) From: drew Subject: hey man slow down [Terrence:] > I think that Duran Duran's Medazzaland gets written off unfairly. And I > think Tears for Fears' Songs from the Big Chair deserves the 80s nostalgia > spot more than Rio does. I thought about that. I would agree with the Pitchforkies on this one, but Songs from the Big Chair is pretty special. My favorite tracks are "The Working Hour" and "Head over Heels." > From: Jeff Dwarf > > The songs on Technique I like, I really love (Fine Time, All the Way, > Round & Round, Mr. Disco, Vanishing Point, Dream Attack) but the songs > I don't like (Love Less, Guilty Partner, Run) I truly despise. Yeah, good call. Some of them (probably the ones you name, I can never remember the titles) are just so anemic. > Reason 345,094 why I've always like you best!! Amen. OK Computer sorta > peters out towards the end, whereas The Bends keeps on soaring. both > very good albums, but The Bends is truly transcendant. My god, you're insane! You call "No Surprises," "Lucky," and "The Tourist" "petering out"? That's one of the most moving sections of the record. For the record, the songs I don't much like on The Bends are "High and Dry," "Bones" (IIRC), and "Just". My favorite songs are the last four (with the possible exception of "Sulk"...for some reason I can't remember how it goes right now. > or, as I thought I had typed before running it through the spell check > which did THAT to it, "a certain funky dis-shevelledness" Too bad -- I loved your invented word. It seemed really apt to me. :) > From: "Eclipse Tuliphead" > > let's think of some other bands to hate! personally, i can't stand > Rush - but that might be too much of a gimme. :) I don't hate Rush but I don't own any of their albums and probably never will. I must be in a good mood...I can't think of any other bands I want to dis today. :) - -- drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:38:39 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: hey man slow down >I can't think of any other >bands I want to dis today. :) How about Foghat? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 14:21:13 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: hey man slow down drew wrote: > > From: Jeff Dwarf > > Reason 345,094 why I've always like you best!! Amen. OK Computer > > sorta peters out towards the end, whereas The Bends keeps on > > soaring. both very good albums, but The Bends is truly transcendant. > > My god, you're insane! And you're not? > You call "No Surprises," "Lucky," and "The > Tourist" "petering out"? That's one of the most moving sections of > the record. For the record, the songs I don't much like on The Bends > are "High and Dry," "Bones" (IIRC), and "Just". My favorite songs > are the last four (with the possible exception of "Sulk"...for some > reason I can't remember how it goes right now. Not "No Surprises," but "Lucky" and "The Tourist" are both a bit slight AFAIC, especially compared to the start of the album (I always think of OKC as more of a strong starter than finisher). As opposed to "Street Spirit," "Black Star," and "Sulk" which carry The Bends out on higher high. I wouldn't say there are any songs in particular on either I particularly dislike -- "Lucky" is probably my least favorite of the 24 though. > > or, as I thought I had typed before running it through the spell > > check which did THAT to it, "a certain funky dis-shevelledness" > > Too bad -- I loved your invented word. It seemed really apt to me. > :) it did have a certain eo98ru32orjlsafu89sf to it, didn't it? ===== "If we don't allow journalists, politicians, and every two-bit Joe Schmo with a cause to grandstand by using 9-11 as a lame rhetorical device, then the terrorists have already won." -- "Shredder" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #397 ********************************