From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #395 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, November 22 2002 Volume 11 : Number 395 Today's Subjects: ----------------- three more quick things... [Miles Goosens ] Re: the miller's tale [Eb ] The entire universe, and a few other things [grutness@surf4nix.com (James] I feggeth you... you feggeth me... ["Rex.Broome" ] 90's [Ken Ostrander ] kundalini [drew ] Stick a Pitchfork In It ["Michael Wells" ] Re: 80's [Ken Weingold ] Stick a Pitchfork In It *correction* ["Michael Wells" ] Re: the miller's tale [Aaron Mandel ] Singles? ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: the miller's tale [Eb ] Re: top 100 of the 90s ["Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: three more quick things... ...and then I'm out the door for now. I said in the big ol' Quail message: >I hate Spielberg >not because because I think he's a wretched hack who can't get past his own >pulp-induced limitations on storytelling and characterization, as well as >his startling distrust of the audience (let *me,* not John Williams, decide >if I'm moved by this COLOR PURPLE scene, dammit!), not because his films >make oodles of cash. Make that "I hate Spielberg because I think..." and it reads correctly -- I hate it when you switch around a clause or two via cut and paste and forget to tidy up the lost remnants of previous iterations. Well, I hate that *I* do it! If you made it that far in that 12k message, you get a gold star! Quail, then Drew: >> From: The Great Quail >> >> Er, thanks. I'm glad that I have your seal of legitimacy! ;) Though again, I >> think that some people around here, you perhaps included, tend to shut >> yourself off from things if they have the whiff of popularity, and that >> seems like a limitation to me. > >I'm sure you weren't including me, but I have two Spice >Girls albums, all three Garbage records, the popular >Sixpence None the Richer album, four or five Duran CDs, >two Shawn Colvin records, a burn of Whoa, Nelly!....... Hey, sign me up for all three Garbage albums, Kylie Minogue (last DVD purchased: the new live in Manchester 2002, which is fun but doesn't come close the wonders of the LIVE IN SYDNEY DVD from the LIGHT YEARS tour. The musical director/drummer for both of these tours, Andrew Small, is a f'in genius), lots of goofy novelty songs ("I'm Too Sexy," "Rico Suave"), U2 with qualifications (most of them about the latest one! POP, ZOOROPA, ACHTUNG are OK in my book!), Bruuuuuce with no qualifications, the last No Doubt record, and lots more. Populist snobs of the word, unite and take over? Also from Drew, responding to my disappointment with Sugar: >not deathless stuff, maybe, and not up to the standard >of Husker Du (I assume...not one of my favorite bands), but not >terrible. Oh, I'll agree there, it's not terrible, not at all. But it was hugely, hugely disappointing for me. I had no reason not to expect to love COPPER BLUE, the critics were buzzing, Mould was on a huge winning streak in my book, and... then there was this sorta bland, only OK record. BEASTER made me think "hm, I like this a little better, maybe he's coming around or I'm coming around to where he is, or both," but FUEL scotched that notion pretty damn quickly. Another example of mediocrity getting me more agitated than things that are truly horrible. Mediocrity is far more frustrating. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:52:18 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: the miller's tale >Jeffrey: >loads of Miller's melodies do what catchy melodies are supposed to: be catchy, >instantly and lastingly memorable. Off the top of my head: "Erica's >Word," "Way >Too Helpful," "Like a Girl Jesus," "Marcia and Etrusca"... I just listened to these tracks, and they all came up short. "Erica's Word" would have been my own instinctive answer to this question, but even the verse of *that* song runs aground on Miller's characteristic rhythmic stumbles. "Way Too Helpful"...jesus, are you kidding me? D-r-e-a-r-y. "Like a Girl Jesus"...awfully slight, still awkward, and plenty of Those Queasy Synthesizers. "Marcia and Etrusca" actually *does* nail down a rare example of "groove," but it's about three minutes too long *and* has plenty of Those Queasy Synthesizers. Incidentally, I hadn't pulled out Interbabe Concern in awhile...oh man, I couldn't even keep a straight face, scanning those song titles. Crimony. >I'm suggesting that Miller's work is part of a >tradition in which conventional, symmetrical phrase lengths (4 bars of this, 4 >bars of that, 4 more of the other thing) are dispensed with in favor of a more >organically flowing melodic and phrasal structure. Except that in Miller's case, he just does it for its own sake. Or because he simply lacks the feel for a smoother alternative. Even *Kevin Barnes* has more natural groove than this guy, who still writes like someone who *would* spend his days crunching numbers in the Silicone Valley. Do you even *like* Miller's lyrics at all, beyond whatever nudge-nudge, in-joke allusions they might include? Or is the latter all that really matters in songwriting? >Not hardly: there's barely a >handful of Beatles tracks that *do* fit the rigidly symmetrical >model of pop-song >phrasing and structure. Oh please. And even if this was true, the Beatles do it with far, far more grace and subtlety than Miller. It's analogous to comparing prog acts' awkward, showoff harmonics with Brian Wilson's ingenious ability to make esoteric chord combinations seem smooth and natural. Light years apart. > For a painfully detailed study of the structure of Beatles >songs, from an actual musicologist, you might check out Alan W. >Pollack's series >at . But don't take his word for it: that's >something I >noticed about Beatles songs ever since I was a little kid trying to >plunk them out >on the piano. Yadda yadda. I'm well-aware of Pollack's work, which is admirable, educated and very interesting but hopelessly overintellectualized and soulless. And I can capably "plunk" *most* Beatles songs on piano, by the way. >I'm not sure, then, why you say "deliberately." Anyway, surely if >people haven't >heard of him, they *can't* "have interest" in him. Oh, good grief. Once again, this thread reminds me of Miller fans' baffling zealousness. It's like hearing people passionately defend Webster's Dictionary as one of the world's great books. Exactly like that, come to think of it. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 12:06:57 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: The entire universe, and a few other things >I also like the very obviously NFAK inspored sound of the track >"Who you are". my typing's been crap lately (too fast when too tired), but I think that this one fits! >WRT the 1980s, I think Bath University must have been in a different >universe from the people whose lists I've been reading. All that my >postgrad pals played was (1) FGTH (incessantly, to the point of screaming >monotony (2) New Order (non-stop, to the point of driving one completely >batty) (3=) Prefab Sprout and Aztec Camera (5) REM (6) Orange Juice [and >when my girlfriend got into Wham! in a big way, I realised it was time for >a change...] Dunedin was also in a different universe to many of these lists, for fairly obvious reasons (Chills, Clean, Verlaines, Straitjacket Fits, Bats, Alastair Galbraith, Sneaky Feelings, Tall Dwarfs...) Oh, and thanks GQ, I shall try Vitalogy. >My feeling is, when the 20th Anniversary box came out and they revealed >that APP had been a rush job after the tapes from the album they had wanted >to make turned out unusable, it didn't surprise me. I always kinda thought >it sounded that way. On the whole, The "Chateau D'isaster Tapes" as >released on Nightcap are not the best thing they ever did, but I myself >generally like it better than "Passion Play", and "Scenario/Audition/No >Rehearsal" is ridiculously great. synchronicity strikes.. Now playing - Nightcap (specifically, "No step" at the moment). I'm also an ex St. Cleve reader. But I wouldn't rate APP in my top 10 Tull releases (they would be... hmm... in no set order: A; Stand up; Benefit; Heavy Horses; Stormwatch; Misntrel ITG; Aqualung; Songs FT Wood; Catfish Rising; and Living ITP. >> Kate Bush's "Never for ever"? > >Excuse me? Never For Ever is sublime. There are times >it's my favorite album. More to the point, I don't >remember ever hearing it dissed by the Kate Bush fans >I used to pal around with. The underdog Kate Bush albums >are Lionheart and The Red Shoes. Hm, I like Lionheart. But my brain had deliberately failed to remember "The red shoes", so good call there. >>>You should catch Alice and I doing a two part harmony version of "What am >I >>>doing Hangin' Round?" on car journeys. Well, maybe not. > >Damn, I love that song. One of my dad's favorites too. I also associate it >with family car trips-- one of those tunes the whole clan liked. I can sort of naturally pick up harmony lines, and that one has a sublime harmony, all half-tones and unexpected notes. So it's a favourite with me, and it's also one that gets stuck on high rotate in Alice's mental jukebox, so... Re the Stone Roses: overall I'm luke-warm about them, but "Fool's Gold" is a personal favourite. Great rhythmic riff/motif >Rex, who used to use the term "grungy" to refer to the sound made by Crazy >Horse, Husker Du, and/or the Stooges, once, a very, very long time ago, and >found Mudhoney and Screaming Trees to be among the few Seattle bands to >reflect it man - someone else who knows Screaming Trees! Grunge plus mellotron is an odd mix, but, IMHO, a very enjoyable one. As to the top 90, I currently own 23 of those (including 17 of the top 50), and used to own three of the others. An even more skewed list than the 80s list though. >I love Loveless and all but I think OK Computer >deserved the top slot. It's a hard album to >overpraise. OK Computer isn't even Radiohead's best album! The Bends is, IMHO, far better. >- --Jeff, who can't figure out who "TFF" is either. That furry feline. >I think some Fegs, through volume and memorable contributions, have >pretty much become celebs here. You, Eb, Drew of late, Rex then and now... >Woj, Bayard... Jeme and Eddie and Nat and James and Kay and Susan and Randi >and Mike Runion and more thanks for the compliment! boyoboy but this list's been busy lately... James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:13:42 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: I feggeth you... you feggeth me... MRG >>How many other lyrics include a baggage carousel? I wrote one that did. Didn't realize I was ripping off Squeeze. 'Twas called "Redeye" and appears on the ultra-rare self-titled Carolinas EP. ____ Me, then Drew: >>Cuomo's abominable attitude; don't care if it physiological, the guy's a dick. >>Physiological? How so? During the big Weezer "comeback" I read like five articles dealing with his alleged clinical depression. That's all I meant... ______ Michael: >>I fianlly picked up John Cale's Fear. I like it just as much >>as Paris 1919, and that's saying a lot because I love 1919. >>Andalucia from 1919 is still my favorite song though. I'll >>probably get Helen of Troy next. You should. Keep going. Rich rewards await you. _________ Eb: >>I think Copper Blue has more consistent melodic catchiness, >>from beginning to end, than just about any other album I can name out >>of the last 10-15 years. Ah. Okay. Now we're on the same page. __________ Amongst Miles' "feg shoutout": >>Rex then and now... There it is... the title for my mid-carreer compilation. Looks for it on Jet-Set Records, if they're willing to shell out for the cross-licensing. >>* I think I also presumed too much about people here remembering or knowing >>me. I participated *a lot* (or what seemed to me like a lot!) in Feg from >>when I joined ('94, I think) until around 1997, when I started finding it a >>lot more difficult to keep up and be as active on the list. I've continued >>to read the list regularly, which keeps me up on all of you, but I suppose I >>'ve become less of a known quantity to everyone else, even though in my >>mind, I'm thinking that any damn thing I said on the Feg list six years ago >>is still common knowledge, and that people still remember the stuff I like >>or don't like. And you're from West Virginia, so you and I are essentially the same person. Except that I share a birthday with Chris F. and a last name with Eb. Miles, I usually hate "hey let's talk about why we're all here in this forum" posts, but I really liked your "Great Quail Apologia". Probably because I seem to share your viewpoint on a lot of stuff (cf. both what "artistic taste" is all about AND what makes a compelling artist-- art-first/take-it-or-leave-it indeed). But you were also... um, "nice" about it. Nice isn't always bad! - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 18:30:31 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: 80's new order: yup. they're more catchy than joy division. the only albums of theirs that i can't listen to all the way through are _movement_ and _republic_. cure: they sort of lost me between _disintegration_ and _bloodflowers_, though i still have those inbetween albums. pumpkins: i really loved them way back when; but i almost never listen to them anymore, even though i have all of their albums. when i saw them play lollapolluza, they followed up the beastie boys and didn't compare. the crowd was restless during their long, slow waves of feedback and billy ended the set by apologizing "i'm sorry we suck." prince: i'm a sucker for this guy. i keep buying his albums because he's always trying something new. of course, he pretty wacky; but he can do anything. _sign o' the times_ is my favorite. >>>Question for the anti-Durannies: do you like the Monkees? > >Ummm... yeah, I do. But they weren't the fake band of *my* youth, ok. these guys actually played their instruments. now, if you're talking hair color, that's another thing. they completely changed the way that synths were used in pop music. they were music video pioneers. now i have to admit that there are only three duran albums that anyone should bother with, the second version of their first album, rio, and the wedding album. there's a second tier of quality that includes thank you, seven and the ragged tiger, arcadia, power station, and notorius. and then the rest. most people should just go for the singles thingies; but there's plenty of album tracks worth hearing. were they "chic meets the sex pistols"? i don't think so; but that's where they were coming from. >I feel like I'm double counting with the combined "surfer rosa"/"come on >pilgrim" CD, don't feel guilty. i did the same thing. the fact that you can't get the combined disk anymore just makes it that much more justifiable. >Actually, the biggest score was probably >Husker's "Metal Circus," because the unfaithful little squirrel was named >"Diane." Husker fans will know the sick delight I got in listening to old >Bob telling me the tale of "Diane" on *her* copy of "Metal Circus." >chilling. if i laughed at this, does it mean that i need therapy? > >>I suggest you adopt Led Zep's "Presence" and that post-Keith Moon Who > >>record, and Gang of Four's distressingly awful "Mall" and maybe that new > >>Breeders dics and "Little Creatures." > > Oooh, the Reed-less VU album. And Cut the Crap. How about "Reverberation" > by the Bunnymen? A born-again Dylan album or two? McCartney's classical > records? Clapton's techno LP? i think the album by the heads fits better into this thread. _little creatures_ is good, as is _presence_. mick jones gets kicked out of the clash in an effort to "purify" the band and then does something similar with big audio dynamite a decade later. >This could be a great list. the musical jump the shark forum. ken "pronounced juran juran" the kenster ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 18:18:55 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: 90's 64% and all of the top twenty! wondering what happened to: pj harvey, u2, pulp, dr dre, the flaming lips, pearl jam, hole, chemical brothers, happy mondays, moby, a tribe called quest, cornershop, arrested development, neil young, cyprus hill, wilco, sleater-kinney, lauryn hill, tricky, verve, air, nine inch nails, jane's addiction, foo fighters, garbage, manic street preachers, public enemy... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:28:01 -0800 (PST) From: drew Subject: kundalini Got through Express and I'm not sure what I was reacting to before...I don't think it's head and shoulders above the rest of the albums but I would easily put it on par with the other L&R records I like. Earth Sun Moon is next. > From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > > - --Jeff, who can't figure out who "TFF" is either. I'm sure someone's answered this by now, but they're Frankie Goes To Hollywood and Tears For Fears. > From: Aaron Mandel > Thanks, Jason and Ken! Seconded! > From: "Rex.Broome" > > Drew: > >>I'm with you on Monster, by the way -- hated it at first, > >>and then it became one of my favorite REM albums. > > Hmmm. I liked it at first, then it started to seem really patchy, and I > finally decided it's three thematic EP's welded together by fate. The first > one is a good pop record with creepy undertons. The third one is a good > just plain creepy record, the REM equivalent to "Beaster". The one in the > middle just sucks royal. Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but it's wrong. :) To my ears it's one of the most coherent and consistent records they've released, and in my opinion that's saying a lot considering it's REM. I love it all (with the possible exception of "I Don't Sleep, I Dream"). > >>I have yet to hear the black REM. > > Cynically: Hootie & the Blowfish. Yeah, Hootie came to mind for me too, but if they qualify they only prove my point more dramatically. I don't know anything about The Negro Problem besides what I've read on this list, but maybe someday I will. > The rap discs on the Pitchfork '80's list are almost exactly the ones I own. > I think there's a non-accusatory explanation for that. I want to emphasize that I do not believe a disinterest or overenthusiastic interest in rap is necessarily racist, and I'm not accusing anyone of anything. > Or maybe I'm a big fat hypocrite! Or maybe you can't be reduced to a single Theory of Fandom. I'd call that a positive. > From: "Montauk Daisy" > > For me rap and hip hop, whether done by black or white artists is like > paying to listen to sports radio. The only difference is the guys yell in > rhythem. Oh where oh where did the music go, oh where oh where can it be? Well, see, this is what I thought until I started listening to more of it. I don't have any recommendations yet, but I've heard some mind-blowing stuff lately. > From: Eb > I feel like I'm long delinquent about investigating Tortoise I'll sell you TNT cheap. I never listen to it. [Blue Monday] > Few things plunge me into instinctive convulsions like the > instrumental prologue of that song. Oh man...please don't even make > me think about it. I downloaded it as a custom cell phone ring tone the other day. This was pure self-indulgence, though, because I never take my phone off vibrate. (I also got "Head Over Heels," "Take On Me," and "Girl U Want.") > From: Miles Goosens > > And Drew, when I said this: > >> Speaking of U2, what I perceive as a common thread in Quail's taste in > >> music and film is a strong desire for *connectedness* and *belonging.* > > I didn't mean to sound snobbish at all here, if anywhere (reading over my > post again, I would have picked other places to cite for that!). Oh, I know, I cut it off at the point where I thought you were going somewhere else, you see. And I used a smiley because I knew you didn't mean to sound snobbish. > Me, I would see every show from the vantage point of an invisible plastic > bubble, where I could see and hear everything, but *not* have to bump into > people, *not* hear the person next to me singing the words out of tune, and > *not* having The Giant Youth Of Today block out the stage. I feel that way too, except when the audience is hot, which happens a lot less often than I would like. Earth Sun Moon in progress. Two songs in I don't find it any better or worse than the other stuff, just as with Express, so maybe I was just sort of burned out on Love and Rockets when I got around to buying these two. All's well that ends well. - -- drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:12:54 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Stick a Pitchfork In It It's a dead horse, I know, but any "Best of 80's" list that ignores... "Moving Pictures" Rush "Allied Forces" Triumph "Concrete Blonde" Concrete Blonde "In Step" Stevie Ray Vaughan is immediately suspect. And of course there's... "British Steel" Judas Priest "Radio KAOS" Roger Waters "Blizzard of Oz" Ozzy Osbourne "Shut Up and Play Yer Guitar" Frank Zappa "Women & Children First" Van Halen etc... Actually, didn't the list blow off almost every major guitar hero who put out work in the 80's? I'd prefer "Meat is Murder" for the Smiths and "Album" for PIL, but the ones they chose for those groups are cool. But THREE Placemats discs? C'mon. I do like "Ghost in the Machine" in there though, it's easy now to forget how influential that disc was when it came out. And "Rio" kicks mucho ass, much as I generally loathe the rest of their catalog. John Taylor could flat out PLAY, kind of James Jamerson with a 'Flock of Seagulls' hairdo. Now there's an image for you. drew > "I'm So Worried" by Monty Python mentions baggage retrieval... And at Heathrow! Well done, Drew. Kay: > Anyway --"Hoover Dam" is awesome, and I mean that is the old sense of the > word(it fills me with awe.) Seconded. 'Copper Blue' rules. I would have been apalled if it hadn't made the 90's list, but then again... "Contact from the Underworld of Redboy" Robbie Robertson * "This One's Gonna Hurt You" Marty Stuart * "Blue Sky Mining" Midnight Oil "Surfing with the Alien" Joe Satriani "Element of Light" Robyn Hitchcock * "Strong Persuader" Robert Cray "This is the Sea" Waterboys * "Magic and Loss" Lou Reed (* = one of my 50 all-time greatest albums) all seem to fail the Pitchfork 90's test, whatever that is. And instead we get Jawbox? WTF? And we sure need what - about 8? Built to Spill releases. Fantastic, give me more! Michael "if the Pitchfork list was the 90's, then I'm glad I missed 'em" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:33:48 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: 80's On Fri, Nov 22, 2002, Ken Ostrander wrote: > new order: > > yup. they're more catchy than joy division. the only albums of theirs that i can't listen to all the way through are _movement_ and _republic_. I never got into anything after Substance. > cure: > > they sort of lost me between _disintegration_ and _bloodflowers_, though i still have those inbetween albums. I never got into anything after Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me. I have this thing about certain bands who never should have left the 80s. Siouxsie and the Banshees and The Cure being two good exmaples. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:32:39 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Stick a Pitchfork In It *correction* > "Element of Light" Robyn Hitchcock * Being referred to in the 90's is a victim of bad cut-and-paste, sorry. "EOL" obviously belonged in the 80's stanza and "Moss Elixer" in the 90's. Doh. Michael "what a drastic typo" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:56:07 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: One more cup of coffee for the road.... Quoting The Great Quail : > I just want to tip my hat to Eb and Jeffrey! It9s about bloody time there > was another heated musical debate between two egotistical, knowledgeable, > passionate music nuts around here! Well done, lads, and keep the snide > remarks and sharp observations flowing. Well, we *are* both Wrens fans! > I happen to like "A Passion Play" very much, and I may be one of the only > living Tin Machine fans.... Count me in the pro-_Passion Play_ group - and I agree w/Miles on his assessment of the Tin Machine albums. And a musician of Miles' and my acquaintance (Bradley Skaught, of the excellent band Belle da Gama - www.belledagama.com - album features a guest appearance by, uh, a guy we were talking about, plus Robyn-appreciator Anton Barbeau) is another major Tin Machine (and late Bowie) fan. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: PLEASE! You are sending cheese information to me. I don't want it. :: I have no goats or cows or any other milk producing animal! :: --"raus" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 18:42:45 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Stick a Pitchfork In It Did you Pitchfork scouts notice *this* story? http://pitchforkmedia.com/news/02-11/22.shtml Not sure I like the sound of a Reed/Poe pairing, though Reed's recent lyrics haven't exactly been masterpiece-level anyway.... >Michael Wells: >any "Best of 80's" list that ignores... > >"Moving Pictures" Rush >"Allied Forces" Triumph >"Concrete Blonde" Concrete Blonde >"In Step" Stevie Ray Vaughan >is immediately suspect. And of course there's... > >"British Steel" Judas Priest >"Radio KAOS" Roger Waters >"Blizzard of Oz" Ozzy Osbourne >"Shut Up and Play Yer Guitar" Frank Zappa >"Women & Children First" Van Halen Well, lookie here, fellas...seems we got ourselves a METAL fan here! ;) (I can't imagine ever owning any of these albums...not even the Zappa one. Actually, I never noticed you had this hard-rock bent, until a couple of recent posts!) >Actually, didn't the list blow off almost every major guitar hero who put out >work in the 80's? Prince, Andy Gill, Curt Kirkwood, Billy Zoom, Peter Buck, Slash, Robert Fripp, the Edge, J Mascis, Thurston Moore/Lee Ranaldo, Andy Summers, Bob Mould, Marc Ribot, Johnny Marr...nope! ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 22:17:44 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: the miller's tale On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, Eb wrote: > Do you even *like* Miller's lyrics at all, beyond whatever nudge-nudge, > in-joke allusions they might include? Or is the latter all that really > matters in songwriting? I've never seen someone else go to SO much trouble to prove that if people like something they don't, it's proof that they have the wrong aesthetic standards. Do simple differences of taste exist in your world? > Once again, this thread reminds me of Miller fans' baffling zealousness. Yeah, when you insult people, they tend to respond in predictable ways. Funny how that works. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 22:21:19 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Singles? Can anyone tell me what in the hell happened to singles? Why the heck did they stop making them? I think half the fun of collecting records is B sides. Max _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:21:54 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: the miller's tale > > Do you even *like* Miller's lyrics at all, beyond whatever nudge-nudge, >> in-joke allusions they might include? Or is the latter all that really >> matters in songwriting? > >I've never seen someone else go to SO much trouble to prove that if people >like something they don't, it's proof that they have the wrong aesthetic >standards. That didn't answer my question. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:31:22 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: Re: top 100 of the 90s At 12:56 PM -0800 11/22/02, drew transmitted: >I'm afraid the accusation of "whiteboy indie rock" >is even more appropriate here. I can't even recall >offhand any significant hip-hop or rap inclusions >besides the Beasties. But really, face it, Pitchfork >is about indie rock. It just is. They included Cypress Hill and, right near the top where they belong, Public Enemy "It Takes A Nation of Millions". No Run-DMC, though, near as I can recall. (Two words: My Adidas.) Incidentally, about 10 years ago I was friends with a guy from South Central, and turned him on to "Paul's Boutique" and he thought it was pretty damn cool. So much for "whiteboy" music. However, he also inexplicably thought the song "Bennie And The Jets" was amazing. "Bennie And The Jets! That's MY JAM!! B-B-B-BENNIE!! B-B-B-BENNIE!!" Never understood the cultural differences implicit in that one. Or maybe he was just weird. He was an interesting resource (as well as a neat guy.) I watched "Menace II Society" with him once, and he said it was a pretty accurate portrayal of life where he came from. Yikes. At 9:55 PM +0000 11/22/02, Montauk Daisy transmitted: >Mike -- > >Are you thinking of the slide TBone Walker redo/adaptation of "Dust My >Baguette"? Or the "Baby do you want to ho" bit of "Home Sweet Chicago"? Nah, I was just thinking of the proto-rock guitar riff in the Robert Johnson version of the song (whichever of the two it was, My RJ is currently mouldering in a basement 1200 miles away until I can afford the rent on an apartment in SF big enough to hold all my stuff.) At 12:06 PM +1300 11/23/02, James Dignan transmitted: >synchronicity strikes.. Now playing - Nightcap (specifically, "No step" at >the moment). Good on ya! How about that "Broadford Bazaar"? What a nice song. >I'm also an ex St. Cleve reader. But I wouldn't rate APP in my >top 10 Tull releases (they would be... hmm... in no set order: A; Stand up; >Benefit; Heavy Horses; Stormwatch; Misntrel ITG; Aqualung; Songs FT Wood; >Catfish Rising; and Living ITP. Damn close to my list. Like Minstrel but don't love it; and would have added Warchild and Broadsword (despite a few of the songs on it), plus a mix CD the best of the outtakes that surfaced on the 20th Anniv. box set and Nightcap (mostly 1977-1982, except for Scenario...No Rehearsal and "Lick Yer Fingers Clean".) Also would have made an EP out of the better songs on Catfish Rising - roughly every other song, in my estimation. Also would have stuck Roy Harper's cover of "Up The 'Pool" in there somewhere. >OK Computer isn't even Radiohead's best album! The Bends is, IMHO, far >better. I have a friend who insists "The Bends" is Obscured By Clouds to "OK Computer"'s Dark Side. Also says it takes a few listens to get into. I'm still giving it that chance, but it hasn't grown on me yet. Mike - -- ======== We need love, expression, and truth. We must not allow ourselves to believe that we can fill the round hole of our spirit with the square peg of objective rationale. - Paul Eppinger At non effugies meos iambos - Gaius Valerius Catallus ("...but you won't get away from my poems.") ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #395 ********************************