From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #390 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, November 21 2002 Volume 11 : Number 390 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #388 [Jim Davies ] Icons of iconoclasm ["Rex.Broome" ] The bands that I have seen. ["Maximilian Lang" ] erm... ["Rex.Broome" ] okay, one more [drew ] Re: the miller's tale [Eb ] Re: stones 'n' roses [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Oh yeah...THEM too ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] oh fine, i have no willpower [drew ] Re: willpower [Eb ] Re: okay, one more [Aaron Mandel ] rockets, puppies, and monkees, oh my! ["Eclipse Tuliphead" ] Re: the miller's tale [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Bands I've seen [Ken Weingold ] Re: okay, one more [Ken Weingold ] 100% WOJ, no RH [Mike Swedene ] Re: Oh yeah...THEM too [Ken Weingold ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:41:00 GMT From: Jim Davies Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #388 > Also, I can actually recommend the most recent Church album to you, > although I myself found it incredibly dull. I mean, you buy Starfish. You think, hmm, there's a genuine psychedelic vision here - far better developed than on Heyday, despite the clarity and the rock. You hear `Warm Spell' on the b-side of the single, and you think `wow - this band are amazing'. You go buy all of the earlier albums, and the retrospectives. Boys, you think, will be boys. Some pretty stuff (Field of Mars, Almost With You, In Your Eyes) but nothing as powerful as you might have hoped for. Nothing grown up. Bloody Australians. It's all that sunshine. And then - fuck - you keep buying the albums as they come out, over the years. After a while, you don't want to play them. Such promise, but reappearing only in flashes. Content only in delivery - washing away the statues of Sharon Stone. Almost nothing to be proud of - perhaps one good, to very good, or even brilliant, song per album; but just one. I thought that it was some kind of cosmic joke. But I kept on buying. Usually, the good song is either the first or second track, so you don't have to wade all the way through. On the new album, Track #2. Brilliant. And the collaborations. More flashes of incredible promise. And the solo albums. Visions mostly unrealised. And the youthful, druggy charm turned into a stoned, post heroin, almost Floydian haze, into a worn resignation. Like Dorian Gray. I keep buying the Church, putting them on the shelf. They stay dull. I get to wander around having fun. Just don't stay in and listen. I love them, at a distance. I don't know what I expect of them, maybe a little more excitement. x Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:59:24 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Icons of iconoclasm Ed prescribes for Eb: >>I suggest you adopt Led Zep's "Presence" and that post-Keith Moon Who >>record, and Gang of Four's distressingly awful "Mall" and maybe that new >>Breeders dics and "Little Creatures." Oooh, the Reed-less VU album. And Cut the Crap. How about "Reverberation" by the Bunnymen? A born-again Dylan album or two? McCartney's classical records? Clapton's techno LP? This could be a great list. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:59:24 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: The bands that I have seen. I may be forgetting a few,here they are: Robyn Hitchcock - roughly 12 times The Feelies - 5 Soft Boys - 4 Sonic Youth - 3 Luna - 3(2 upcoming, one this saturday) Peter Gabriel - 3 Paul McCartney - 3 Thin White Rope - 2 The Chills - 2 Yes - 2 Genesis - 2 The Caufields - 2 Young Fresh Fellows - 3 Chameleons UK - 2 Liz Phair - 2 Emma - 2 Bettie Serveert - 2 Lucinda Williams - 2 P Funk - 2 The Police - 1 REM - 1 Madness - 1 Joan Jett - 1 Neil Young - 1 David Bowie - 1(my first show) Public Enemy - 1 Steve Winwood - 1 Rush - 1 Buzzcocks - 1 Jane's Addiction - 1 Live Skull - 1 Butthole Surfers - 1 Yo La Tengo - 1 Stanley Clarke - 1 Pink Floyd - 1 Lou Reed - 1 Dave Davies - 1 Horton Heat - 1 Beach Boys - 1 Brian Wilson - 1 Love - 1 Blake Babies - 1 Grateful Dead - 1 Elvis Costello - 1 Beastie Boys - 1 Nick Cave - 1 Bob Dylan - 1 Smashing Pumkins - 1 Breeders - 1 Tribe Called Quest - 1 B.A.D. - 1 Happy Mondays -1 Spiral Jetty - 1 TMBG - 1 Electric Love Muffin - 1 The Wishniacs - 1 Nixons Head - 1 Matt Sevier - 1 Asteroid #4 - 1 Live Skull -1 Bardo Pond -1 Erase Errata -1 Executive Slacks - 1 Dissonance -1 The Beat Clinic -1 Max _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:05:37 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: erm... ... That was supposed to be "Marty" Willson-Piper records, and here I am talking about them... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:07:16 -0800 (PST) From: drew Subject: okay, one more On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, Aaron Mandel wrote: > There are times I've wished TMBG were just John Linnell's baby, though. > Flansburgh has written no small fraction of their best songs, and the two > of them clearly work together well, but Linnell amazes me more, and I > think Flans has written most of the really "quirky" material. I've often thought pretty much the same thing, though I couldn't have put it so clearly. For me it's not so much that Linnell amazes me more but that Flans's stuff is so eclectic that it's, understandably, hit and miss, and with Linnell, if you like him, you'll pretty much like all of his songs. Except, as you point out, fuckin' "Particle Man." Still, I don't know if I'd wish them apart. They've got a nice yin/yang (but on a different axis) thing going. I was going to say it's sort of like Throwing Muses, but it totally isn't. Nor is it like XTC. Maybe it's like They Might Be Giants. > > > From: Jeff Dwarf > > > > > > New Order/Brotherhood or Low-Life -- both are far better than PC&L > > > > Really? That's disappointing. I was just about to go > > pick up PC&L. Low-Life I'll agree with but I never liked > > Brotherhood. > > PC&L was a nice tight album in its original eight-song form. I love "Blue > Monday", but I don't think there's anywhere you can put it on the album > where it doesn't break the flow. The standard solution ("Blue Monday" > after what would have been side A, "The Beach" after side B) is as good as > any, I guess. Anyway, don't let Drew deter you. Buy it. Hey! I was the one being deterred, not doing the deterring! I guess I've picked up a deserved reputation for negativity. Sigh. - -- drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:18:47 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: the miller's tale >Rex: >Wow, you certainly you must be the only person to own all (much less any) of >his records and dislike them so much. I didn't say that I "dislike" them -- I just pointed out their shortcomings. I rated them as B-minuses (or B's, in three or four cases...Big Shot Chronicles might even approach a B+). There are worse condemnations. And if they were all B-minuses, I probably *wouldn't* keep them. >when you knock Miller's melodic sense and praise Billy Corgan's >in the same post, I get the feeling that you must understand "melody" >differently than most of us. Uh...given the relative popularity of the two artists, I think the "most of us" is definitely on my side. I don't see much questioning of Corgan's melodic powers -- the primary anti-Corgan comments (here and elsewhere) are always about his voice's texture (and that's *texture*, as opposed to pitch) and his rock-god pretensions. Not even the power-pop geeks pay a lot of attention to Miller, and if his melodic skills were stronger, you know they would. I just did a search of the Audities archive, and he has been mentioned about 25 times since 1996. >I'm surprised you like "Mellon Collie", as to me it is the definitive >"overpraised because it's big" record. I think I *did* mention this album in my earlier "big=overpraised" commentary. But I do think it's the band's best work, and I daresay that if it had been released as two single discs, those would still be my two favorite Pumpkins albums. > Also worst title for any album ever >until Corgan himself upped the ante with "MACHINAthemachinesofgod" or >whatever. (Not to add ammunition to the >"Scott-Miller-fans-only-pay-attention-to-the-titles argument, but... )) You said it, not me. >Jim: >There are moments in the Loud Family/Game Theory canon that are >unmatched and unmistakeable. >There's only one song on `Plants and Birds and Rocks and Things' that >is anything less than perfection. Ooookay. >Is he too clever for his own good? I'm just glad you didn't say "too clever by half," because something about that phrase always irritates the hell out of me. >Has he been lost too many times in beautiful company? This sentence is so inscrutable, it only could have been written by a Scott Miller fan. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:31:10 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: stones 'n' roses Quoting drew : > > From: Dr John Halewood > > > > the thing i find particularly strange about the Pitchfork list is it's > > curious assessment of British acts, at least to UK ears. The Stone Roses > > album regularly gets voted top album of all time while it barely makes it > > into the Pitchfork top 40. "Top album of all time"? Yr joking, right? I only bought that one because of all the buzz (reflected, granted: US magazines saying things like "everyone in Britain's going apeshit over this"), and although I liked a few tracks pretty well - - esp. the backwards one - overall it struck me as just...bland. > I'd like to think that the top album of all time would > have a vocalist who could sing on it. So you must have a problem with the Pitchfork list too, then? Lee can sorta sing, Thurston talks in tune fairly well, and Kim...oh geez, she's got Billy Corgan disease, in that she's okay if she keeps it low and doesn't amp up the volume but turns into screeching hell if she tries to be "intense." That said, except for that screeching, the voices in SY work very well with the music - and I like that. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: PLEASE! You are sending cheese information to me. I don't want it. :: I have no goats or cows or any other milk producing animal! :: --"raus" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:33:35 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Oh yeah...THEM too >Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:48:29 -0700 >From: Eb >Subject: Re: Oh yeah...THEM too [snip blather about a live Skinny Puppy show] >And this is a recommendation? LOL. Point taken. I neglected to mention that I saw that show during the end of my Mad At The World Phase, when I thought that Jim Thirlwell was the end-all and be-all, and that Merzbow was actually entertaining. Regarding the 80s thread, there's a lot of stuff I listened to regularly in the 80s that I can no longer bear. Dead Can Dance, Cocteau Twins, Wolfgang Press, Durutti Column (OK, yeah, I see a pattern, too) give me the willies. But other 80s bands, like Slovenly, Spot 1019 I still listen to regularly. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:49:56 -0800 (PST) From: drew Subject: oh fine, i have no willpower Sorry. I just really really love the conversations that are going on right now. > From: Eb > I was bleh on Pulp (I find Jarvis' precious stage mannerisms utterly > insufferable) I've never seen them perform, but I suspect I'd react the same way. And I really hated Pulp at first, largely because of Jarvis' vocal mannerisms and lyrical concerns. But gradually I was won over, though I still don't like the new album much and haven't bothered to buy it. > but I really liked Blur a lot. This was the Parklife > era...given the deterioration which followed, I guess hindsight says > this was *the* time to see them. Yeah...I only recently bought The Great Escape and it's better than I thought, but I still love Blur primarily because of the first three albums, particularly Modern Life Is Rubbish. [Ken:] > One band I would kill to see whom I never got to because Luke Haines is a > ninny: The Auteurs He is a bit of a ninny, isn't he? I try not to find out too much about him and just enjoy the music. > From: "Rex.Broome" > > That's fascinating. Drew, didn't you recently also say that you don't like > any records by the Church prior to "Priest = Aura"? On both of these bands > you're running almost exactly counter to prevailing opinions, at least among > the bands' respective fanbases. Yet I get no sense that you're trying to be > a contrarian. That's kind of cool. Also, I can actually recommend the most > recent Church album to you, although I myself found it incredibly dull. I think Miles' explanation hit the mark: I like the atmospheric Church. It's not that I dislike melody and concise songwriting -- quite the opposite, much of the time -- it's just that I dislike the way the Church used to do it. Those early, poppier tunes just sound effete and sour to me compared to the majesty and beauty of the later stuff. Actually, I think Starfish is OK, and I love Gold Afternoon Fix (which is REALLY counter to canon :)), but Priest=Aura is the first album with those clouds of smoke I love so much. Sometime Anywhere hasn't registered much with me yet, but I love the new album (and will be buying it as soon as I can find it for under $17!) and I adore Hologram of Baal and Magician Among the Spirits. Of course, seeing them live cemented my newfound Church adherence. Terrific stuff. But yeah, it would be hard to be a simple contrarian and also like Duran Duran, wouldn't it? > From: Miles Goosens > > Rex, didn't you get the memo? We all *hate* Drew! More posts like this > and he'll get the idea that we actually respect his opinions! And what fun would that be?! > says, it's just him calling it like hears it, and Drew's always upfront > about any external subjective factors (ex's who liked stuff, annoying kids Oh yeah: one reason I can never listen to Pretty Hate Machine was the first night I slept in my college dorm. I was sick and sleepless, and the boy in the room with the adjoining wall was playing a handful of PHM songs on repeat over and over very loudly, interspersed with Icehouse's "Crazy" and "Electric Blue" (which, oddly, I still like). That, I think, has had a profound effect on my reaction to Trent Reznor's voice. > in which case, it should also have been in that list. Actually I have a > book called "Rolling Stone's 100 great albums of the '80s", which lists LC Hey, I remember that list. I used to have the issue they published it in. > From: Eb > Know," and oh wait, here's a strong feeling...I thought that single > which went "Why-y-y-y-y don't you use me?" was incredibly grating. > "The Reflex"? That's the one. I just hate it. I like the remix for about, what, ten or fifteen seconds...until Le Bon starts singing? > Actually, "Wild Boys" was amazingly bad too, now that I > think about it. It was, hilariously bad, but for me it's also weirdly homoerotic, because (a) the title of course comes from a typically horny William S. Burroughs "novel," and (b) Le Bon's singing on it is especially strained, and it sounds as if the Boys in question are gang-raping him. I know, I can hear you now: "And this is a recommendation?" No, it's just a confession. > Random observation: It seems to me that *no* period of dress/haircuts > ages worse in cinema than what you see in '80s youth films. I can't argue with that. I'll be the first to admit that there are plenty of things that sucked about the 80s...just not all of the music. > of Prince, I own five Prince albums but *not* Purple Rain or 1999. I Which ones? I'm with the canon of a lot of artists, I have no qualms about admitting: Kate Bush, Tori Amos, and Robyn Hitchcock are three obvious examples. Interestingly, I'm not sure there is a canonical judgement on the Cure, except that I hope everyone hated Wild Mood Swings as much as I did. I hate Bloodflowers almost as much, but up to and including Wish I think they're all respectable favorites. - -- drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:03:24 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: willpower >Actually I have a >book called "Rolling Stone's 100 great albums of the '80s" > >Hey, I remember that list. I used to have the issue they published >it in. I still do! > > I own five Prince albums but *not* Purple Rain or 1999. > >Which ones? Parade, Around the World in a Day, Black Album, Sign o' the Times (the best...and yes, it's BIG!) and Lovesexy. Rejected four or five others. Purple Rain is worth owning, but I don't want it based on sheer overkill issues. I'd still buy secondhand copies of Dirty Mind and Controversy if I saw them, because I've never heard these but always hear them wildly praised. Not that this means I'd necessarily want to *keep* them, but.... Eb, vying with Drew in the "Oh god, I'm posting AGAIN" sweepstakes ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:48:13 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: okay, one more On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, drew wrote: [TMBG] > Still, I don't know if I'd wish them apart. They've got a nice yin/yang > (but on a different axis) thing going. Yeah. When I went back and listened to the first two albums again recently, I found that for the first time I could tell who was singing what. The songs had a ton more nuance that way -- I guess (like many songwriters) they've each built up a composite narrator over time. Though... does that argue for them to work together, or not? I liked Linnell's solo album, as I expected, but found most of his songs on Mink Car disappointing. Flans seems to have picked up some of his better habits (like writing about death). [New Order] > Hey! I was the one being deterred, not doing the deterring! > I guess I've picked up a deserved reputation for negativity. > Sigh. Whoops. Sorry. Re: the Cure, I liked Wild Mood Swings. I've probably only listened to it twice, but it reminded me of all the parts of Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me that I hadn't trained myself to associate with teenage misery. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 03:42:50 -0000 From: "Eclipse Tuliphead" Subject: rockets, puppies, and monkees, oh my! playing digest catch-up again! > From: Eb > >On Thu, Nov 21, 2002, FS Thomas | at work wrote: > >> Husker Du > > > >I hate you for this. > > Me too. me three. - --- > From: Miles Goosens > >I don't have an intelligent case -- I just trust my ears, > >and they were pleasantly surprised with Sweet F.A. in > >particular and even Lift (which had to grow on me). I > >never really enjoyed anything from Earth Sun Moon and > >bought it mostly to complete my collection ("No New Tale > >to Tell" is OK), > > Not even "The Mirror People"? (I like the faster electric-er version > best.) "Here on Earth"? "The Telephone Is Empty"? Waaah. "No New Tale To Tell", "Rain Bird", and "Here on Earth" are the songs that made that album for me, but personally, _Express_ rocks my socks. i just couldn't get into anything past the self-titled release. - --- > From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" > Why beat around the bush - let's just say it > seems to me that anything Dr. Dre touches turns to gold. Or - an even > guiltier pleasure I hardly ever admit to anyone - Busta Rhymes' "When > Disaster Strikes". And that's just the hugely popular acts, on a smaller > scale there's Dr. Octagon "The Octagonecolegist", for one. All this is just > off the top of my head. despite being a dyed-in-the-wool 80's/goth girl, i gotta say this: Eminem (while i don't care for his subject matter) has got some serious mic skills, Busta Rhymes has made some totally kickass songs, and goddamn but i love Dr. Octagon. > Did you know that in 2000, turntables outsold guitars? this doesn't surprise me in the slightest. most of my good friends are DJs these days. where's this statistic from, btw? - --- > From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." > > From: Eb > > > > Skinny Puppy (sucked beyond my tolerance threshold...one of the very > > few shows by a major name which I've left before its finish...totally > > unable to understand certain Fegs' idolization of this crud) > I had seen Skinny Puppy twice on their > first US tour, in 1986 and 1987 (Severed Heads opened at one and Edward > Ka-Spel at the other), and that first show ranks as one of the best I've > ever seen. i seem to be one of the few people who thinks Ka-Spel is an overrated, pretentious wanker. maybe i just haven't met the right people? :) > Loud, violent, bloody, absolutely creepy. Analog synthesizers played at > gut-rattling volumes, bleeps and blorps swirling all around the building, > cEvin Key making sparks with a chainsaw on an oildrum, Nivek spitting blood > and damn-near stabbing my eyes out with railroad spikes, and that creepy > keyboard player (Bill Leeb?) up on stage right with his big old weird white > hair. It took me two days to shake the misanthropic mood that show put me > in. > > But then they got popular, lazy, picked up a narcotics habit or too, the > Mall Goths got hip to them, and they just lost it. ok, i gotta brag here for a sec: my ex (yeah, the Alice Cooper fan) was also a huge SP fan, and the two of us caught the reunion show in Dresden, Germany in August 2000. holy crap, was that ever a kickass show (wanky goth bands i'd never heard of aside) - i'd never had the opportunity to see them live, and i'm glad i caught this show. towards the end, they launched into a spectacular version of "Smothered Hope", and a sudden rainstorm cut loose, soaking all us goths down to our black socks and shoes. it was amazing, and a show i'll certainly never forget. i can even picture the stage, still, complete with faux-Ogre with blade-like wings silhouetted against a blood-red screen. damn. earlier that year, we happened to pass Key on the streets of Amsterdam; he spends a lot of time there, mostly djing (and smoking up). i caught a dj set of his (with Philth - Phil Western) here in SF about a year or so ago, which also rocked. > From: Eb > Gene (via Eb): > >Loud, violent, bloody, absolutely creepy. Analog synthesizers played at > >gut-rattling volumes, bleeps and blorps swirling all around the > >building, cEvin > >Key making sparks with a chainsaw on an oildrum, Nivek spitting blood and > >damn-near stabbing my eyes out with railroad spikes, and that creepy > >keyboard player (Bill Leeb?) up on stage right with his big old weird > >white hair. It took me two days to shake the misanthropic mood that show > >put me in. > > And this is a recommendation? hell yes! :) - --- > From: "Rex.Broome" > Drew: > >>Question for the anti-Durannies: do you like the Monkees? > > Ummm... yeah, I do. But they weren't the fake band of *my* youth, so that > may be it. The first Monkees LP was one of the few "rock" albums my family > owned when I was a kid and I spent a lot of time with it. (Probably > affected my preference for guitar sounds and harmonies more than I know.) > > The Monkees also had some good songs. I'll admit I like bad '60's pop > better than okay-ish new wave, for a host of reasons possibly more social or > sociological than anything else. Hey, I never claimed my taste had any > rhyme or reason... i gotta say, though i've never been a Durannie, i've always been a big fan of the Monkees - i was a pre-teen during their 80's resurgence, and almost 20 years later, i'm still terribly fond of _Head_, and most of Nesmith's songs. i tend to skip over the majority of Davy Jones songs these days, though. euuuugh. Eclipse - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eclipse eclipse@tuliphead.com Kindness towards all things is the true religion. - Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:48:13 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: the miller's tale On Thursday, November 21, 2002, at 06:18 PM, Eb wrote: > Not even the power-pop geeks pay a lot of attention to Miller, and if > his melodic skills were stronger, you know they would. Come on now, the lyrics are too weird and the music makes the average power-pop geek's brane hurt. I was thinking the other week that the 5 Loud Family studio albums make for a rather good run. Even including The Tape Of Only Linda. - - Steve __________ The generally dismal quality of America's mass-marketed pop music is an esthetic national emergency. - Lorraine Ali & David Gates, Newsweek ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:00:16 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: the miller's tale Quoting steve : > On Thursday, November 21, 2002, at 06:18 PM, Eb wrote: > > > Not even the power-pop geeks pay a lot of attention to Miller, and if > > his melodic skills were stronger, you know they would. > > Come on now, the lyrics are too weird and the music makes the average > power-pop geek's brane hurt. Gotta agree - the Audities folks (apologies to any here) generally have a very narrow definition of what is/n't "power-pop." Of course, Eb's got every right to dislike Miller's voice - then, such likes or dislikes are utterly subjective. It should still be pointed out that his voice definitely improved over the course of his career: he both avoided overusing his upper register and used it more skillfully when he did (rather like, uh, Geddy Lee, in fact). I'm not sure what Eb meant by "short melodic attention span," since I can think of several Miller melodies that are archetypally well constructed in terms of theme and variation of melodic shape over the course of a phrase. Of course, those phrases (in classic style derived from early Beatles) are often a bit off-kilter to fit lyrics... I forget the other criticism...I think it had something to do with "he can't be as good as you people say, since lots of people haven't heard of him, even people who'd be expected to have done so." Is not the subject of *this* list currently out of any solo label record contract? I guess he must not be as good as we say either. > The generally dismal quality of America's mass-marketed pop music is an > esthetic national emergency. - Lorraine Ali & David Gates, Newsweek Funny - thirty years ago, Gates himself was contributing to that very dismalness... ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman np: Spinanes _Arches & Aisles_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:32:02 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Bands I've seen On Thu, Nov 21, 2002, Tom Clark wrote: > on 11/21/02 12:05 PM, Ken Weingold at hazmat@hellrot.org wrote: > > > Peter Criss 2 > > I'll give you Ace Frehley, but this needs some 'splainin. Well one show he toured with Ace. Sort of double-bill. The other was at the Limelight in NYC in 1994. Hey, I make no excuses. I grew up on KISS. Ace was my idol, but Peter I wouldn't pass up. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:38:30 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: okay, one more On Thu, Nov 21, 2002, drew wrote: > > > > New Order/Brotherhood or Low-Life -- both are far better than PC&L > > > > > > Really? That's disappointing. I was just about to go > > > pick up PC&L. Low-Life I'll agree with but I never liked > > > Brotherhood. > > > > PC&L was a nice tight album in its original eight-song form. I love "Blue > > Monday", but I don't think there's anywhere you can put it on the album > > where it doesn't break the flow. The standard solution ("Blue Monday" > > after what would have been side A, "The Beach" after side B) is as good as > > any, I guess. Anyway, don't let Drew deter you. Buy it. > > Hey! I was the one being deterred, not doing the deterring! > I guess I've picked up a deserved reputation for negativity. > Sigh. Ummm, I lost the thread here, but anyone into New Order who doesn't have it, pick up Movement. Dreams Never End is worth it alone. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:41:45 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: 100% WOJ, no RH I thought this said WOJ when I first read it, I was impressed for a minute or two. http://news.com.com/2100-1040-966648.html?tag=lh Herbie np-> "ride" R. Hitchcock ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:56:06 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Oh yeah...THEM too On Thu, Nov 21, 2002, Gene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > LOL. Point taken. I neglected to mention that I saw that show during > the end of my Mad At The World Phase, when I thought that Jim > Thirlwell was the end-all and be-all, and that Merzbow was actually > entertaining. Oooh, that's one I forgot to mention in my list of live shows. Foetus. He opened for Neubauten on 11/17/90 at the Sound Factory in NYC. - -Ken ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #390 ********************************