From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #388 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, November 21 2002 Volume 11 : Number 388 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Various quick takes [Eb ] Bands I've seen [Ken Weingold ] Slashing pumpkins ["Poole, R. Edward" ] Re: note zer ebb ["Stewart C. Russell" ] stones 'n' roses [drew ] Re: stick a fork in the 80's ass, they're done ["Rex.Broome" ] stick a pitchfork in me, i'm done ["Poole, R. Edward" ] Re: camp van beethoven [Ken Weingold ] Re: stick a fork in the 80's ass, they're done [Miles Goosens ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:03:14 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Various quick takes >Drew: > > Pulp (opening for Blur) > >Good god, I would have loved to see that show. I was bleh on Pulp (I find Jarvis' precious stage mannerisms utterly insufferable), but I really liked Blur a lot. This was the Parklife era...given the deterioration which followed, I guess hindsight says this was *the* time to see them. >John complained: >The Stone Roses >album regularly gets voted top album of all time while it barely makes it >into the Pitchfork top 40. Fine with me. A hopelessly overrated band, in my opinion. Terminal lightweights. Though admittedly, I haven't heard their catalog fully enough to have a hardened view. Nothing's going to make me like the singer, though. And I heard two of his solo albums, and thought they were irredeemable garbage. >>Brian: >>The Boredoms (this show was a kick :)) > >I'm curious about this one as they are a band I intend to see if I >ever get the chance. Was this before or after they "mellowed out" >for Super Ae? Well, it definitely wasn't a mellow show. I think this was around the time that Reprise had released Pop Tatari. I could look up the exact date if it's important. I liked the concert better than the album...the show seemed to pluck out all the big, bludgeoning Buttholes-like bits, and leave out the CD's vacant noodling. Sorry about the alliteration. >Rex: > >>And out of the "Game Theory/Loud Family Scott Miller *IS* a major freakin' > >>artist, boy-eeee" camp too. > >Yo, what's "major"? Someone people have actually heard of? Nope. Someone >with a large and consistently interesting, often excellent, body of work >well worth investigating? That'd be an understatement. I'd call it an overstatement. I think Miller's most notable achievement is his ability to impose external conceptual conceits on material too trivial to deserve such vanities. Now maybe some think this is a "major" achievement, but...not me. Actually, it seems like many of his disciples review his song *titles* rather than his *songs*. I do own all his stuff, but, well, I didn't pay for *any* of it beyond a $6 Lolita Nation CD upgrade after getting a vinyl freebie. If I was shopping for his discs today in secondhand bins, I wouldn't be willing to pay over $3-$5 for them. At his very best, I'd say Miller was "pretty good." On average, I'd call him a "B- artist." Figured I'd better throw that in, since that "B+ artist" line about Hitchcock has never stopped following me around. ;) The guy's voice is wretched (only partially excused by his willing acknowledgement of this), he's crippled by his lack of a melodic attention span, and his ideas about arranging music never evolved past 1984. Enough said. >Ken: > >I actually sold off a copy of this awhile back, and now suspect >that I got >far less for it than I should have. > >i find that the used music places never give you a square deal. Well, I actually sold that one while tending a table at a record swapmeet. I believe that I charged $3 for it. Maybe $4. Much later, I saw it going for $18-$20 on eBay. Argh. >Chris: >Anyway, I'm not about to try to convert you ... but I *am* curious: >was this show your first Skinny Puppy experience? In concert, yes. As music, no. >Have you sampled their albums at all? Yes, though I've only heard one from beginning to end. Otherwise...I don't like Billy Corgan's voice much and I do think the Pumpkins were overrated, but I like Siamese Dream and especially Mellon Collie quite a bit. The others, more marginally. It's a riffs-and-melody thing, rather than an artiste's-perspective-on-the-world thing. Before he threw it all away in an admirable but self-destructive campaign to stop repeating himself, Corgan had a seemingly boundless ability to churn out riffs and hooks which snagged my ears. His new band Zwan was just signed to Reprise, by the way. Personally, I'm expecting a disappointing album - -- I don't think a new band concept is enough to curb his downward slide. I thought Love & Rockets' Sweet F.A. was underrated, but earlier stuff was kinda *overrated*. But perhaps it's an oversaturation issue, because I heard them a *lot* during their peak Seventh/Express/Earth phase. I like the song OK now, but at the time, I ran screaming for the hills every time someone on the college station played "Haunted When the Minutes Drag" yet *again*. (On the other hand, that was nowhere near as agonizing as the moment of hearing those opening guitar scratches of "Bela Lugosi's Dead" come on yet *again*..... ) Didn't know the Fall webmaster was on this list...I have his site bookmarked on ze Gondola List. Eb, who posted too much yesterday ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:05:09 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Bands I've seen I'm really impressed that you guys have such detail of all the shows you've been to. This is all I can think of right now. I keep ticket stubs, but don't always get them, so most of this is from them, some from memory. Bob Mould - LOTS of times - definitely more than any other Robyn Hitchcock - LOTS of times GWAR - LOTS of times The Cult 6 Kustomized 5? The Tea Party 5 Catherine Wheel 5 Yo La Tengo 5 Iron Maiden 4 Siouxsie and the Banshees 4 Soft Boys 4 Jets To Brazil 4 Ace Frehley 4 Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds 3 Einsturzende Neubauten 3 Richard Thompson 3 Social Distortion 3 The Afghan Whigs 3 The Damned 3 Rasputina 3 (once was supposed to be The Auteurs who cancelled last minute) Guided by Voices 3 Bauhaus 2 Stiff Little Fingers 2 The Creatures 2 Love and Rockets 2 Ray Davies 2 David Bowie 2 The Tragically Hip 2 (only to see Clarissa) Snatches of Pink 2 Clarissa (was Snatches of Pink) 2 Reverend Horton Heat 2 Nina Hagen 2 Peter Criss 2 The Cramps 2 Man Or Astroman? 2 Sugar 2 Dramarama 2 Mucky Pup 2 The Ramones 2 PiL 2 The Buzzcocks 2 Living Colour 2 Nine Inch Nails 2 Butthole Surfers 2 Jethro Tull 2 New Order 2 Echo and the Bunnymen 2 J Church 2 Sugarcubes 1.5 (they showed up at the Ian McCullough show) Peter Murphy 1 Lou Reed 1 Luna 1 Lloyd Cole 1 Pete Townshend 1 Ex-Cops 1 X 1 The Kinks 1 Rollins Band 1 Henry Rollins (spoken word) 1 John Easdale 1 Pantera 1 Janes Addiction 1 Porno For Pyros 1 Spinal Tap 1 Gypsy Kings 1 Rollins Band 1 Ice T 1 Body Count 1 The Village People 1 Bad Religion 1 Ian McCullough 1 Metallica 1 Pink Floyd 1 Gene Loves Jezebel 1 Heart 1 Jello Biafra (spoken word) 1 Eric Burdon 1 Hawkwind 1 Gregory's Funhouse 1 GBH 1 Bow Wow Wow 1 Extreme (Hollywood Rock - Brazil) 1 Skid Row (Hollywood Rock - Brazil) 1 Violent Femmes 1 13 Engines 1 Sebadoh 1 Guttermouth 1 Meat Beat Manifesto 1 Aerosmith 1 Honeymoon Suite 1 Bon Jovi 1 (it was the 80s - I took a girl) Jonathan Richman 1 Marilyn Manson 1 The Misfits 1 Jill Sobule 1 WASP 1 Fresh Young Fellows 1 Flower Tamers 1 Motorhead 1 Billy Bragg 1 Sex Pistols 1 KISS 1 Dire Straits 1 Bruce Dickinson 1 Nick Cave 1 Die Haut w/ Nick Cave 1 Andrew W.K. 1 Mission of Burma 1 Iggy Pop 1 Robbie Kreiger 1 Robyn Hitchcock and the Egyptians 1 Pedro The Lion 1 The Promise Ring 1 Shane MacGowan and the Popes 1 The Popes 1 Sisters of Mercy 1 Roger Waters 1 Mike Ness 1 Yes 1 Alan Parsons Project 1 Space Monkeys 1 Crispy Ambulence 1 Weird Al Yankovic 1 The Offspring 1 Urge Overkill 1 Christian Death 1 One band I would kill to see whom I never got to because Luke Haines is a ninny: The Auteurs - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:14:57 -0500 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: Slashing pumpkins At 11:02 AM -0800 11/21/02, da9ve stovall transmitted: >Right on! The only good that I know of that's come from Smashing >Pumpkins' existence is the halfway non sequitur reference in >Mike Keneally's "Frozen Beef (Come With Me)" from the powerhouse >_Sluggo!_ album: > >"I had a chance to be the Pumpkins' roadie, >But if you ask Billy he'll say he don't know me. >While they were on stage I stole one of his alternate-tuning >guitarsandsoldittoafreakandboughtsome PCP." ...and, don't forget, Pavement's jibe from "Range Life" , to wit: Out on tour with smashing pumpkins -- Nature kids They don't have no function I dont understand a word they say And I could really give a fuck I have one positive Pumpkins experience: in the summer of, I believe 1991, I actually won a contest (and first and only in my life, excluding football pools) sponsored by wxrt chicago, and got a pair of tickets to an "invite only" Pumpkins gig at the Metro -- maybe 50-75 people there, and they played on a small stage set up in a corner of the floor, with folding chairs for the audience. it was basically an 'unplugged' session, without the cameras, but with electric bass, and they played very understated versions of several of their songs, but mostly covers. the best being an excellent version of "baby lemonade." if I could have a cd of that show -- or if the pumpkins had been more that band than the one they shortly turned into (this was right before siamese dream exploded all over the place), I might have liked them. but not really. living in chicago during their meteoric rise, over the heads of more deserving and, frequently, more talented bands, one really learned to despise them. a lot. the whole connections in "the biz," leading to undeserved breaks (e.g., opening for jane's addiction at the metro in, what, 1987 or 1988, before anybody had ever heard of SP, due to cronyism) was just sickening. and then there's the music... ed ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential communication to the intended recipient, you have received this communication in error, and any review, use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying, or other distribution of this e-mail message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this confidential communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail message and permanently delete the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:16:45 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: note zer ebb drew wrote (or did he draw?): > > Hate hate hate. Every time I hear a new Beastie Boys song > I hate them a little more. someone stole the logo from your VW, didn't they? ;-) Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:17:32 -0800 (PST) From: drew Subject: stones 'n' roses > From: Dr John Halewood > > the thing i find particularly strange about the Pitchfork list is it's > curious assessment of British acts, at least to UK ears. The Stone Roses > album regularly gets voted top album of all time while it barely makes it > into the Pitchfork top 40. I'd like to think that the top album of all time would have a vocalist who could sing on it. I mean, I like it, but I never understood why it was so enormous. I always chalked it up to the Roses' huge egos. > From: Miles Goosens > > I'm hoping Drew is about to launch into a defense of the later Love and > Rockets records -- like Jason, I don't think they're a patch on the first > three, but I'd like to read an intelligent case for HOT TRIP TO HEAVEN, > SWEET F.A., and LIFT as the best stuff. I don't have an intelligent case -- I just trust my ears, and they were pleasantly surprised with Sweet F.A. in particular and even Lift (which had to grow on me). I never really enjoyed anything from Earth Sun Moon and bought it mostly to complete my collection ("No New Tale to Tell" is OK), and Express annoyed me so much on the first listen I haven't yet given it another chance. I'd heard it was amazing so I was bitterly disappointed. Maybe it will grow on me over time. I'm pretty used to being at odds with people on issues like this. Oh well. > From: Ken Weingold > > I'm with you on Duran Duran. I was in 6th grade at the time, so it > was probably about the same time. 1984 I think. I remember being in > Florida visiting my relatives and my cousin and I sat in front of MTV > waiting for the "world premier" of The Reflex video. We were so > excited. :) Too bad "The Reflex" sucks! (Bring it on, Miles. :)) I was so glad when Greatest came out and FINALLY included "New Moon on Monday," one of my favorite Duran tracks. I used to get that and "Hungry Like the Wolf" all conflated and think of them as a band that sang about werewolves. Question for the anti-Durannies: do you like the Monkees? To me there's not a big difference, except in style and image. For the record, I liked the Monkees a lot when I was in junior high and their show was being rerun on TV. I can still stand to listen to them but I don't do it voluntarily. By the way: part of the reason I still like Smashing Pumpkins is that I bought their first two albums because of a former girlfriend (I think she may have bought them for me, but I can't remember) and their third because of my current girlfriend. So there are subjective factors at work here. - -- drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:38:59 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Re: stick a fork in the 80's ass, they're done da9ve: >>Right on! The only good that I know of that's come from Smashing >>Pumpkins' existence is the halfway non sequitur reference in >>Mike Keneally's "Frozen Beef (Come With Me)" from the powerhouse >>_Sluggo!_ album What about this from Pavement: "Out on tour with the Smashing Pumpkins/Nature kids, I-they don't have no function/I don't understand what they're all about/And I could really... give a... fuck..." Heh heh heh... ______________ Drew on Love & Rockets: >>I've listened to Express and Earth, Sun, Moon once and twice, respectively, and >>now I stick to all the other ones. Not sure which I'd choose as my favorite, but >>the ones I listen to most often are Seventh Dream and Sweet F.A. That's fascinating. Drew, didn't you recently also say that you don't like any records by the Church prior to "Priest = Aura"? On both of these bands you're running almost exactly counter to prevailing opinions, at least among the bands' respective fanbases. Yet I get no sense that you're trying to be a contrarian. That's kind of cool. Also, I can actually recommend the most recent Church album to you, although I myself found it incredibly dull. _______ Joe: >>Everyone seems to be defending DD without anyone having attacked them! I attacked them. Kind of. Then I blamed it on myself like a wuss. Thanks for putting it back in perspective! They are lame! And the Fall rules! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:41:21 -0800 (PST) From: drew Subject: camp van beethoven > From: Ken Ostrander > > the beastie boys have put out some amazing stuff. This is what everyone tells me, but I have yet to hear anything that sounds amazing. > even if you don't like rap. The funny thing is that I'm starting to, but I still don't like the Beasties. > From: crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com > > Everyone seems to be defending DD without anyone having attacked them! Someone attacked them. You probably missed it. > Preening, hollow, bombastic and neo-fascistic I don't dispute any of that. Oh, hey, wait a minute! What about the Eurythmics' Touch? Or, if you must, Sweet Dreams? > From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" > > True, although my opinion is that looking solely at the widely, > commercially popular music, every decade has it's cheese, lots of it, but > the '80s pop music scene was particularly abysmal compared to decades > before or since. I think popular music in the '90s, f'rinstance, has had > its share of moments of true excellence. I dunno...I think it depends on where the cutoff for "widely, commercially popular music" is and what country you're looking at. I heard piles and piles and piles of shit in the 90s on commercial radio, personally, and am going to have real trouble trying to be nostalgic for that decade in the future, at least as far as music is concerned. Thinking back on some of the major trends -- grunge, generic alternarock, ska, swing revival, nu-metal, the rise of Mouseketeer pop -- I just get a horrible aftertaste in my mouth. I think what happened during the 80s to make it different was MTV, pure and simple, and the need for lots of bands to create a total package with a degree of automation they hadn't needed before. The coolest thing about this from my point of view was the intertwining of visual art and music, and the need to give music an infusion of larger-than-life character and uniqueness in order to swim while all around are sinking. You could argue that this was to the detriment of the music but that's not what my ears tell me -- the music needed hooks like fish need water, and if you're anti-pop and think hooks are for the weak you might see that as a bad thing. I'm not, I don't, and I don't. > No, no, no I was recently effectively booed off another list because of my > very unpopular opinions about a very popular '90s band, I really have no > desire to go near that kind of debate again for a while. Dancing about > architecture and all that. Now I'm dying to know, both about the 90s band and the 80s band. At least email me offlist! > From: Ken Weingold > > I don't think I could pick a best Bauhaus. What I find interesting > about Burning From The Inside is that it's sort of a hybrid of Bauhaus > and Love and Rockets, since Peter Murphy I believe was sick for much > of the recording of the album, so the rest of them went ahead and did > it. That's why Peter Murphy doesn't sing on all of it. At least > that's the story I heard. That's the one I heard too. I like Burning From the Inside a lot, but for these same reasons I wouldn't choose it as the definitive Bauhaus album (that would probably be Mask or In the Flat Field, honestly). > I'll differ form the both of you and say Haeyena. Definitely my > favorite. From the later stuff, I absolutely love Peepshow. Hyaena's terrific; I've played it out for me, though. Juju's got two of the best songs on it ("Spellbound" and "Arabian Knights"). Peepshow was my first Siouxsie album and is even more played out for me now. OK -- I'm going to promise myself, no more posts to feg for today. - -- drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:42:24 -0500 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: stick a pitchfork in me, i'm done hm, surprised to come in at 55% -- if you exclude records I didn't actually purchase (including, but not limited to, cassette copies and break-up related acquisitions -- you know, when it is just too ugly to go through the "this one's yours, this one's mine" thing & you just let the chips -- and discs -- fall where they may), I fall to 48%. I feel like I'm double counting with the combined "surfer rosa"/"come on pilgrim" CD, but I used to have "come on pilgrim" on vinyl, but an ex-girlfriend made off with it. ha, I have her (meat puppets) "huevos," "Tim," and, best of all, the henry rollins solo EP -- still his best, or should I say, only listenable effort -- "Henrietta Collins & the Wife-beating Child Haters." Actually, the biggest score was probably Husker's "Metal Circus," because the unfaithful little squirrel was named "Diane." Husker fans will know the sick delight I got in listening to old Bob telling me the tale of "Diane" on *her* copy of "Metal Circus." chilling. - -ed np: "vegetable man," SBs 10/25/02 ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential communication to the intended recipient, you have received this communication in error, and any review, use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying, or other distribution of this e-mail message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this confidential communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail message and permanently delete the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:48:57 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: camp van beethoven On Thu, Nov 21, 2002, drew wrote: > That's the one I heard too. I like Burning From the Inside > a lot, but for these same reasons I wouldn't choose it as the > definitive Bauhaus album (that would probably be Mask or In > the Flat Field, honestly). Agreed. > Hyaena's terrific; I've played it out for me, though. Juju's > got two of the best songs on it ("Spellbound" and "Arabian Knights"). > Peepshow was my first Siouxsie album and is even more played out > for me now. Believe it or not, my first Banshees album was The Scream. Hell of an intro, too! - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:14:50 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: stick a fork in the 80's ass, they're done At 12:38 PM 11/21/2002 -0800, Rex.Broome wrote: >Drew on Love & Rockets: >>>I've listened to Express and Earth, Sun, Moon once and twice, >respectively, and >>now I stick to all the other ones. Not sure which I'd >choose as my favorite, but >>>the ones I listen to most often are Seventh Dream and Sweet F.A. > >That's fascinating. Drew, didn't you recently also say that you don't like >any records by the Church prior to "Priest = Aura"? On both of these bands >you're running almost exactly counter to prevailing opinions, at least among >the bands' respective fanbases. Yet I get no sense that you're trying to be >a contrarian. That's kind of cool. Rex, didn't you get the memo? We all *hate* Drew! More posts like this and he'll get the idea that we actually respect his opinions! But yeah, exactly what Rex just said. Well put. There are a few bands where I tend to be an canonical iconoclast (ex: X, since my favorite may be AIN'T LOVE GRAND, even though it's reviled by fans and dismissed by the band; the revered UNDER THE BIG BLACK SUN is IMO three incredible songs -- "The Hungry Wolf," "Riding With Mary," and "Blue Spark" -- and a bunch of dross. I do really really love WILD GIFT, and LOS ANGELES and SEE HOW WE ARE aren't far behind), but I can never hope to match Drew. And as Rex says, it's just him calling it like hears it, and Drew's always upfront about any external subjective factors (ex's who liked stuff, annoying kids with the same name as the artist, a really bad night of quaaludes and Tickle Pink that ended up with him waking up at the bottom of a pile of wigs and drowsy Pomeranians with that certain track on the CD stuck on repeat play). Cool. FWIW, I think more of the later Church than the typical fan, and to me the best of the later records is (brace yourself) SOMETIME ANYWHERE, which if you could change the lyrics to "Business Woman," would be totally sans blemishes, even if it's also sans Koppes and Ploog. I dig the whole exploratory, dark, rumbly, sinister, gorgeous vibe that to me characterizes the band beginning with a lot of STARFISH (and totally takes over from GOLD AFTERNOON FIX to this day). Despite there being some long rambles on the early stuff too, I wonder if the difference between early and late Church fans is "fans of melody & concise songwriting" vs. "fans of more moody, impressionistic stuff that's more about atmosphere." It's an oversimplification, but it might be a workable theory. I like both great tastes, myself, but people who receive swap mixes from me are constantly baffled by my embrace of variety. I remember reading a review of an R. Stevie Moore album where the reviewer said (and I paraphrase) "I can't imagine wanting to listen to so many kinds of music in one sitting." But most of the time, that's exactly what I want: "Lost Highway" followed by "C Is for Cookie" followed by "Blitzkrieg Bop" followed by "Haunted When the Minutes Drag" followed by "Fight the Power." later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:33:43 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Pretenders, top 100s, James Iha >Firstly...two people now have told me the Pretenders' debut came out >in 1979. Can you offer any documentation? CDNow, my Trouser Press >guides and the biggest Pretenders website say the album came out in >January, 1980. I assume you're claiming it came out earlier, outside >the States? hm. I may owe you an aplology. The sleeve says c 1979, "The complete bvook of the British charts" says first chart entry 19/1/80. > >Apologies. Let me clarify: I _only_ own a shameful 27% of the listed > >records. hm again. does this mean that it's shameful you own only 27%, or are the 27% you own the shameful ones? >>> James Iha, I may be the only person on the plant who actually hm III. I meant planet. I wasn't, erm, raddling my system with chemicals, shall we say.... >>This'll be the third list on which I've said this, but I have no problem >>with LONDON CALLING being on 1980 lists -- I mean, it came out in the >>U.K. on 12/14/79, which barely gave anyone there time to play and >>evaluate it, and it didn't come out until January 1980 in the U.S. in which case, it should also have been in that list. Actually I have a book called "Rolling Stone's 100 great albums of the '80s", which lists LC at no. 1. It also lists quite a few others worthy of choice for a top 100 of that decade not mentioned in the online list (Cyndi Lauper's "She's so unusual"? Van Halen's "1984"? Roxy Music's "Avalon"?). Weirdly, I also have 26 of this list. >> PS - re: James Iha, I may be the only person on the plant who actually >> liked his solo album. Far better than I liked anything by the SPs, too. > >Did he learn to sing on key for it? very much so. Very tuneful, very melodic, and surprisingly gentle. Reminds me of a cross between Grant Hart's excellent solo album (Intolerance) and Ron Sexsmith. Very very un-SP. I think it would appeal to a lot of Fegs, although the songs are a bit samey. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:40:20 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Bands I've seen, 80s fork, etc. >Ken: >Honeymoon Suite 1 Ha! I would have assumed that I was the only person on the list who saw this horrible band. They opened for Jethro Tull in 1984, at one of my very first concerts. I believe this was the very first time I heard "HELLO, LOS ANGELES!!" onstage. ;) I never had any strong feelings about Duran Duran. They were just...there. I did actively enjoy "Is There Something I Should Know," and oh wait, here's a strong feeling...I thought that single which went "Why-y-y-y-y don't you use me?" was incredibly grating. "The Reflex"? Actually, "Wild Boys" was amazingly bad too, now that I think about it. Random observation: It seems to me that *no* period of dress/haircuts ages worse in cinema than what you see in '80s youth films. Not even '60s hippiedom. The teased hair, the scarves, the mullets, the floppy hats, the fluorescent makeup, the bracelets, the big bulky jackets with the sleeves rolled up.... I mean, gawd, have you tried to watch "Purple Rain" lately? Regarding Drew's against-the-grainness: Seems like my most "canonical iconoclast" view of late is that I enjoy the second and fourth Weezer albums a lot more than the (hit) first and third ones. And speaking of Prince, I own five Prince albums but *not* Purple Rain or 1999. I also would rather listen to Celebrity Skin than Live Through This, liked Tricky's second album better than Maxinquaye, like New Adventures in Hi-Fi more than some other REM albums which sold far better...oh, and I think Duke is one of Genesis' best albums. Heh. Eb ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #388 ********************************