From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #387 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, November 21 2002 Volume 11 : Number 387 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Cave/Waits; Out of Time (& Space); '80's list [John McIntyre ] stick a pitchfork in the 80's [Ken Ostrander ] Gig totals, approx. ["Rex.Broome" ] The Sounds? [Christopher Gross ] Re: Oh yeah...THEM too [Christopher Gross ] Ye Sleeping Knights of the Golden Horseshoe ["Rex.Broome" ] spiritus mundi [drew ] RE: Ye Sleeping Knights of the Golden Horseshoe ["Bachman, Michael" ] note zer ebb [drew ] Re: ROBYN HITCHCOCK APPEARING ON "DUETS WITH DENI" FRI NOV 22 [Aaron Mand] Re: stick a pitchfork in the 80's [Aaron Mandel ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:25:34 -0500 From: John McIntyre Subject: Re: Cave/Waits; Out of Time (& Space); '80's list > On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, Miles Goosens wrote: > > Do other states make you take a year of state history if you're in > > public school? When I was growing up in Virginia, we got Virginia history in fourth and tenth grades. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:25:30 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Muti-digest roundup Jeff: >>none of the '80s Wire CDs made the list? Blasphemy! _The Ideal Copy_ is one >>of my favorite records, and _A Bell Is a Cup Until It Is Struck_ isn't far behind. Word. For the most part the listmakers seem to have decided that only rappers and Germans were allowed to use sequencers in the '80's. Thus no Wire, no New Order, etc. _________________ Drew: >>I'm not sure how anyone could like Bowie without appreciating >>Duran Duran...I mean, his music's amazing, but don't try to >>tell me his spectacle had nothing to do with it all. Yeah, I admit it's an incongruous corner of my musical tastes. I wouldn't have liked Bowie when I (originally) didn't like Duran Duran. When I did get into music after D/D had pretty much washed up, I found out that Bowie had, like, songs. Don't be too hard on me... I will readily admit to an underdeveloped sense of camp. ______ Eb: >>Mekons/The Mekons Love Rock 'n' Roll I think you've conflated "Rock 'n' Roll" with "I (heart) Mekons" here. "Rock 'n' Roll" is superb, but I gather your point is that it's too obscure to be a "major" work. (Ooops. Miles already covered that. Too bad my backspace key is busted.) >>The Folksmen (Spinal Tap's trad-folk alterego...supposedly a film is planned?) Yes... Guest & Eugene Levy are workin on an "over the hill folkies project"; McKean and Shearer are on board. "A Mighty Wind", due in April: http://us.imdb.com/Title?0310281 _________ Miles: >>And out of the "Game Theory/Loud Family Scott Miller *IS* a major freakin' >>artist, boy-eeee" camp too. Yo, what's "major"? Someone people have actually heard of? Nope. Someone with a large and consistently interesting, often excellent, body of work well worth investigating? That'd be an understatement. Is this guy Robyn Hitchcock a major artist? ______________ Terrence: >>Hmm...I think I've got Stands for Decibels somewhere but I still haven't listened >>to it... Good lord! Find it and fix that! __________ James: >> James Iha, I may be the only person on the plant who actually >>liked his solo album. Far better than I liked anything by the SPs, too. From what I read about it I would've, too. My main question was what the hell Iha was doing onstage with the Pumpkins. Corgan seemed to play enough guitar that Iha was redundant; for that matter, he played more interesting bass runs Darcy (D'arc'y?). I just didn't get it. Peace out, Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:24:34 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: stick a pitchfork in the 80's for some reason i forgot to mention these seminal shows in my life: cure 90 this show was the last on the disintegration tour and there was an electrical storm going throughout. this was the height of my goth phase. robert claimed that it was the last time that they would ever play when he said goodnight. apparently, he says this a lot. jane's addiction 89 perhaps the most overcrowded show i've ever been to. there was hardly room to breathe. this girl in front of me passed out and had to be crowd-surfed to safety. the music was incredible and the spectacle unforgettable. > I've never found a use for the Beastie Boys, though, > who are in my top 10 most annoying bands ever (along with Cake). the beastie boys have put out some amazing stuff. even if you don't like rap. cake is more like a guilty pleasure; but i think that their cover of 'i will survive' is stellar. >Lamest inclusions on the Pitchfork list? > >Mekons/The Mekons Love Rock 'n' Roll wrong. if anything this one should be higher up on the list. the funny thing about this album is that the import version has two songs that aren't on the a&m version, one of those songs being 'heaven and back', arguably one of the bands best songs. i spoke to jon langford about this and he said that his rep at a&m didn't give them much attention. when they had recorded 14 songs for the album, the rep said that they needed to take two songs off (for some inane reason). jon joked that they should be 'ring o the roses' and 'heaven and back' (the obvious single) and the rep just wrote those down and left. the fact is that they didn't pay much attention to anything the band was doing or even listen to the record. ah, record execs. >>The Neighborhoods were contemporaries of Mission of Burma, Willie >>Alexander, Robyn Lane and the Lyres and easily outdrew all those guys - >in Boston. > >I know who the Neighborhoods were. I even had a Neighborhoods cassette, at one point...on Restless, I think? My confessed ignorance referred to Despard. And yeah, I found a little web info on her earlier, just 'cuz I was curious. i saw the neighborhoods back in 87 at the student union at northeastern university. it was a small cafe area and it was actually pretty crowded. their album 'reptile men' had just come out. >Of course The Fall go from strength to strength - the new band, younger >and incredibly similar to the old Fall, play with such energy and >enthusiasm that the band is really at the best I've seen them for years >(seen them about 10 or 15 times since 1990, saw them a couple of months >ago, seeing them tonight at the Camdem Ballroom). the only time i saw the fall was back in 97. my friend lent me their most recent release 'oxymoron' which i actually liked very much. the show rocked; but i heard that the next night that mark e punched out the guitarist and ended the show early. what would you recommend of their extensive output from the last decade or so? >>> collection, the most notable omission was probably the Pretenders' >>> debut, which I think is pretty mandatory for *anyone's* best-of-80s > >well, since it came out in 1979... my record says 1980. >This'll be the third list on which I've said this, but I have no problem with LONDON CALLING being on 1980 lists -- I mean, it came out in the U.K. on 12/14/79, which barely gave anyone there time to play and evaluate it, and it didn't come out until January 1980 in the U.S. what a great way to start the eighties! >"this list really should shut up people who insist there wasn't much >good music during the eighties, or that it all dates horribly". anyone who says that about *any* point in time is just not looking around. of course, it's all very subjective; but there's something for everyone out there. just look at 77, you had punk and disco! >I actually sold off a copy of this awhile back, and now suspect that I got >far less for it than I should have. i find that the used music places never give you a square deal. i once took a shrinkwrapped copy of the latest pearl jam album and only got five bucks for it! then they turn around and sell it for at least twice as much. great recommendations coming in. perhaps we should put together the fegmaniax best of the 80's list? ken "dancing in the dark" the kenster ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:43:36 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Gig totals, approx. Gig totals: No way I can put that together. Although if you wanna be technical, and count local shows, the real artist I've seen the most ever is: Thunderhill, at a whopping seven hundred million times (approx.) from 1971 to the present. The last 30 times probably don't count as I eventually became the bassist. This was, of course, my dad's band. As such second place probably goes to some other local country band on the same circuit who often opened/altenated sets at bluegrass festivals and whatnot. My guess would be Applewood Smoke or perhaps Carl Baer and the Sounds of Country. And then a few more such acts. Then Kristin Hersh and then Robyn. Just trying to be as thorough about this matter as possible! - -Rex "my mind is connected to my database" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:41:09 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: The Sounds? A friend mentioned this Swedish band, The Sounds, recently. Apparently one of her friends (who died earlier this year) was friends with the lead singer. Is anyone here familiar with them? Any good? Have they been mentioned a hundred times on the list without me noticing? ... I did hear one song, "Living in America," which I thought was okay in a lightweight pop-rock sort of way. In fact it had a vaguely 80s sound (maybe Ramones meet Joan Jett and a keyboard?), tying in neatly with the current 80s thread. Any Sounds info would be appreciated. Thanks, Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:49:51 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Oh yeah...THEM too On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, Eb wrote: > Skinny Puppy (sucked beyond my tolerance threshold...one of the very > few shows by a major name which I've left before its finish...totally > unable to understand certain Fegs' idolization of this crud) All right, a possible me reference! ... I honestly like Skinny Puppy, but if I mention them here a lot, it isn't because I idolize them so much as because I get a mild kick out of posting about such an extremely non-Feg band. Anyway, I'm not about to try to convert you ... but I *am* curious: was this show your first Skinny Puppy experience? Have you sampled their albums at all? - --Chris np: Kim Wilde, "Kids in America" ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:02:36 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Ye Sleeping Knights of the Golden Horseshoe Miles: >>I would have been a lock for the Horseshoe, though. Grafton! Lake Tygart! >>Dimwiddie! 1863! Damned shame. I'm a second-generation Knight myself (after my mom, who I guess was actually a Lady of the Golden Horseshoe)... the State Superintendant of Schools actually "dubs" you on the Senate floor, with a sword and everything. Got to skip a day of school and go to Charleston, although I guess that wouldn't've been as big a perk for you. >>Do other states make you take a year of state history if you're in public >>school? More importantly, did you study the same state history textbook I did-- the one where the "famous West Virginians of the modern world" actually featured photos of Chuck Yeager, Don Knotts and Joyce DeWitt? 'Cause that shit was funny. ______ Kay's missed '80's list: >>Empty Glass - Pete Townshend Good pickup. When I forwarded the '80's list to my friends, I noted that singer-songwriters got shafted, citing Earle, Bragg, Lucinda Williams, Peter Gabriel, and Dylan for "Oh Mercy"... but I missed "Empty Glass". Damn. You know who else got screwed on that list despite being white and indie-fied? Antipodeans in general, Crowded House being the tip of an enormous and quite impressive iceberg. Ah well. - -Sir Rex Broome ------------------------------ Date: 21 Nov 2002 11:02:05 -0800 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: RE: Pumpkins Shmumpkins >I'll admit it. I fucking hate the Smashing Pumpkins. I >find Billy Corgan's voice not unlike scratching >fingernails down a blackboard. Much later on, I figured >out that I might actually have liked them if >someone else were singing. Right on! The only good that I know of that's come from Smashing Pumpkins' existence is the halfway non sequitur reference in Mike Keneally's "Frozen Beef (Come With Me)" from the powerhouse _Sluggo!_ album: "I had a chance to be the Pumpkins' roadie, But if you ask Billy he'll say he don't know me. While they were on stage I stole one of his alternate-tuning guitarsandsoldittoafreakandboughtsome PCP." Can't stand Corgan's voice - and I LOVE the following non-standard voices without reserve: Tom Waits, Beefheart, Louis Armstrong, Bjork. da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:17:50 -0800 (PST) From: drew Subject: spiritus mundi > From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > > Offlist, someone commented to me: > > > I'd say Ghost in the Machine has aged worse than Synchronicity, actually.... > > In some respects, yes - but I still like a couple-two songs from it, whereas I can > barely stand to listen to Synchronicity anymore. God, I used to LOVE "Synchronicity II." The music was energetic and fun, and the mental images I got from it were so vivid...and I used to love imagining that suburban angst could raise ancient monsters from the deep. The singles from that record are, I'm sorry, unstoppable. And frankly there are only a couple of songs on Ghost in the Machine worth saving (not that some of the album tracks on Synchronicity are much better..."Mother," yecch!). It's funny that I have Message in a Box, because actually I don't really like the Police all that much. I'm pretty happy with the singles collection, except for the new version of "Don't Stand So Close to Me" and the omission of "Synchronicity II." > From: "Rex.Broome" > > Isn't "the Butlerian Suede" the thing they talk about in "Dune" where the > humans overthrew the thinking machines? It's what they wore during that war. Very chic! > From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > > The reason Duran Duran gets that accusation is the assumption that one couldn't > like their music for its own virtues. And the reason the Dukes *isn't* nostalgia > in this sense is simply: the songs are fine songs independent of the period > production and arranging, and even those aspects of the album are so well done > that they transcend mere mood-evocation. Who says a style is exhausted just > because its time in vogue has passed? Not me, but my point was that it's a backward-looking album, and the interesting thing to me about most of the albums on that list was how forward-looking and influential they were or could have been. I guess XTC influenced Blur, though, so whatever. > From: Eb > > Lamest inclusions on the Pitchfork list? > > Cocteau Twins/Blue Bell Knoll* I love that album, but I'll buy that it probably didn't belong (and I was horrified by the description of Heaven or Las Vegas as "defining"...again, I love that album, but wtf?). > They Might Be Giants/Lincoln* The review was kinda overblown but I don't have a problem with the album. > From: Jeff Dwarf > > Bauhaus/Burning In the Flat Field or The Sky's Gone Out I love The Sky's Gone Out. I could see that one. > The Creatures/Boomerang Can't agree with this one at ALL. > New Order/Brotherhood or Low-Life -- both are far better than PC&L Really? That's disappointing. I was just about to go pick up PC&L. Low-Life I'll agree with but I never liked Brotherhood. > Sinead O'Connor/The Lion & The Cobra Hell yeah. > Siouxsie & The Banshees/A Kiss in the Dreamhouse Works for me. I might pick Kaleidoscope, though; that first side is fantastic. > From: "Jason S. Miller" > [he said:] > > Love and Rockets Express (or Earth, Sun, Moon) [I said:] > | Seriously? Wow, those are the records I listen to the least. > > They've only produced 3 decent records. Here's your faulty premise. I've listened to Express and Earth, Sun, Moon once and twice, respectively, and now I stick to all the other ones. Not sure which I'd choose as my favorite, but the ones I listen to most often are Seventh Dream and Sweet F.A., believe it or not, followed by Lift and the self-titled (which I kinda wore out for myself when it came out). - -- drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:18:42 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Ye Sleeping Knights of the Golden Horseshoe Rex wrote: >You know who else got screwed on that list despite being white and >indie-fied? Antipodeans in general, Crowded House being the tip of an >enormous and quite impressive iceberg. Ah well. I mentioned the Go-Betweens "Before Hollywood". Crowded House is a good mention. CH's "Woodface" would be a sure shot on my Top 100 of the 90's. The Triffids and Nick Cave are up at the tip as well. I should have mentioned the Go-Betweens "16 Lovers Lane" from 1988. If we are each going to do a Top 100 of the 80's, I will have a couple of Go-Betweens and probably Tender Prey by Nick on my list. Michael NP Stacey Kent The Tender Trap ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:21:32 +0000 (GMT) From: crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com Subject: Duran, fookin', Duran?! >I might have developed a real contempt for Duran Duran were I a >few >years younger, ...or a few years older. Everyone seems to be defending DD without anyone having attacked them! Preening, hollow, bombastic and neo-fascistic (if my mate Chris who went to Brum Uni with them is right). There. Got that off my chest. Well, I own 30ish of the Pitchfork albums, and I reckon, even as these things go, it's dreadfully skewed. James, and someone I forget (sorry), came up with very creditable lists of alternatives. And it's like - 'Oh we'd better have some black music in there...' Can't imagine why Bourgeois Voodoo by The LocoMotives on Big Beat from 1987 isn't in there... Joe PS Okay, that was my band...;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:18:46 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: Re: Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s At 1:28 PM -0600 11/20/02, Miles Goosens transmitted: >But see, my '80s wasn't "lowest-common-denominator mass-appeal >commercialized crap," it was 77 of those 100 records on that list Oh, yeah, it wasn't a dig at that list, it was a dig at just about every other '80s rundown I've seen. I'm the same age as you, my '80s was also spent listening to my walkman, but that usually meant Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull, Bowie, The Who - with the exception of Robyn Hitchcock (and Mike Oldfield, incidentally), I was in a serious "classic rock" phase during those last few years when it was still called just "rock". So my impression of '80s music largely centered around whatever I happened to hear when the headphones came off - which, unfortunately, was usually MTV-ready crapola (which means your "heads up their ass" comment basically does apply). I did have friends turning me on to Bauhaus, Joy Division, early U2 & early REM, to name a few, who to my 15-year-old ears were all really good but they sure weren't Pink Floyd. I do respect the music on Pitchfork's list, just as I respect most of the music I hear people on this list talking about. But out in the world at large, I've seen a huge wave of '80s nostalgia, which usually means people coming up with excessive verbal detritus about how great that MTV-ready crapola really was. Not this time, though... didn't mean to imply that. > If your argument has to do with top 40 as the arbiter of >cheesiness, no decade is safe, even the one that features lots of Beatles >songs in it. True, although my opinion is that looking solely at the widely, commercially popular music, every decade has it's cheese, lots of it, but the '80s pop music scene was particularly abysmal compared to decades before or since. I think popular music in the '90s, f'rinstance, has had its share of moments of true excellence. Anyway, I don't think of the '80s as musically cheesy at >all, even if I do worry that Melissa and I sitting in front-row seats >eating brie at the first Robyn Hitcock U.S. gig of 1997 inspired the song >"Cheese Alarm." Hah! I could see how that might be slightly worrisome. >Actually, reading that reminds me of something I always think about Robyn >-- on the page, his stories or lyrics sometimes don't do as much for me >(this can be said of a lot of lyricists, however, not just Robyn -- the >words *with* the music, that's the trick), but when I actually *see* him >live, all the lyrics and all his introductions to the songs and all the >other things he says make perfect sense. Ah! For me it's the imagery... I love it when he gets all dark and decaying and mouldering. "You leave a skull, a suitcase, and a long red bottle of wine..." I like him best when he sends chills up my spine. At 4:04 PM -0800 11/20/02, Rex.Broome transmitted: >Michael K: >>> [name of 80's act which I will omit here so as to avoid starting that >>> particular debate] > >Aw, come on, name names, or we're missing out on some of what ya mean. At >least let on if said act has a name composed of intials and/or numerals... No, no, no I was recently effectively booed off another list because of my very unpopular opinions about a very popular '90s band, I really have no desire to go near that kind of debate again for a while. Dancing about architecture and all that. At 5:14 AM +0000 11/21/02, Jason S. Miller transmitted: >Huh. Never heard of [Thin White Rope]. Which of their releases must I own? I only have Sackful Of Silver and When Worlds Collide, and I think I tend to give more play to the latter. It's a "greatest hits" retrospective, but it's one of those rare compilation albums, like the Buzzcocks' "Singles Going Steady", that stands up on its own as a great album... if I were you I'd pick up that one at the store and then take Eb up on one of his extra copies of 'Sackful'. Mike - -- ======== We need love, expression, and truth. We must not allow ourselves to believe that we can fill the round hole of our spirit with the square peg of objective rationale. - Paul Eppinger At non effugies meos iambos - Gaius Valerius Catallus ("...but you won't get away from my poems.") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:31:08 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: RE: Pumpkins Shmumpkins Back when I was living in Seattle and seemingly everyone I knew was high school buddies with the whole damn Grange Rock scene and/or sleeping with Courtney Love, my bartender, a high school buddy of Layne Staley, said that Layne told him that on tour with the Pumpkins he spit on Billy Corgan as he walked off stage, and Billy had to have his therapist flown in. Mike At 11:02 AM -0800 11/21/02, da9ve stovall transmitted: >Right on! The only good that I know of that's come from Smashing >Pumpkins' existence is the halfway non sequitur reference in >Mike Keneally's "Frozen Beef (Come With Me)" from the powerhouse >_Sluggo!_ album: > >"I had a chance to be the Pumpkins' roadie, >But if you ask Billy he'll say he don't know me. >While they were on stage I stole one of his alternate-tuning >guitarsandsoldittoafreakandboughtsome PCP." > >Can't stand Corgan's voice - and I LOVE the following non-standard >voices without reserve: > >Tom Waits, Beefheart, Louis Armstrong, Bjork. > >da9ve - -- ======== We need love, expression, and truth. We must not allow ourselves to believe that we can fill the round hole of our spirit with the square peg of objective rationale. - Paul Eppinger At non effugies meos iambos - Gaius Valerius Catallus ("...but you won't get away from my poems.") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:38:31 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: spiritus mundi On Thu, Nov 21, 2002, drew wrote: > > Bauhaus/Burning In the Flat Field or The Sky's Gone Out > > I love The Sky's Gone Out. I could see that one. I don't think I could pick a best Bauhaus. What I find interesting about Burning From The Inside is that it's sort of a hybrid of Bauhaus and Love and Rockets, since Peter Murphy I believe was sick for much of the recording of the album, so the rest of them went ahead and did it. That's why Peter Murphy doesn't sing on all of it. At least that's the story I heard. > > The Creatures/Boomerang > > Can't agree with this one at ALL. I love everything Siouxsie and love Boomerang and even saw that tour, but I coulnd't say that it's one of the best of the 80s. Is that still this thread? :) > > Siouxsie & The Banshees/A Kiss in the Dreamhouse > > Works for me. I might pick Kaleidoscope, though; that > first side is fantastic. I'll differ form the both of you and say Haeyena. Definitely my favorite. From the later stuff, I absolutely love Peepshow. > > > Love and Rockets Express (or Earth, Sun, Moon) > > [I said:] > > | Seriously? Wow, those are the records I listen to the least. > > > > They've only produced 3 decent records. > > Here's your faulty premise. I've listened to Express and > Earth, Sun, Moon once and twice, respectively, and now I > stick to all the other ones. Not sure which I'd choose as > my favorite, but the ones I listen to most often are Seventh > Dream and Sweet F.A., believe it or not, followed by Lift > and the self-titled (which I kinda wore out for myself when > it came out). Give Express another chance, then. I think it is an absolutely fantastic album. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:40:51 -0800 (PST) From: drew Subject: note zer ebb [Terrence:] > Am I really the only person on the list who thinks that Thomas Dolby's "The > Golden Age of Wireless" I love the album -- I'm not sure it belongs with the others on the list, but it's quite underrated. > From: "Carnelian Buddha" > > ok, Cake i can kinda understand feeling this way about, but the BBoys? awww, > c'mon! :) Hate hate hate. Every time I hear a new Beastie Boys song I hate them a little more. Maybe I'm too influenced by my loathing for Licensed to Ill, but I'm sorry, you are responsible for the "jokes" you put out. > there were a number of albums on the Pitchfork list that have a > distinctly 90's feel to me, despite their release dates Good call. > as i mentioned before, i'd probably choose _The Head on the Door_ as the It's a great album but it's always felt like a chimera to me, covering so many different Cure styles that I can never think of it as a coherent work. It's sort of Disintegration's opposite in that respect. Also, I could go the rest of my life never hearing "Close to Me" ever again. > as much as i used to dance to Ebb's "Join In The Chant" at the goth clubs > when i was a teenager, i can't see their work being influential enough to put > on a top 100 list. Whaaaat? Really? Maybe you would know better than I would, but a lot of the music I hear lately reminds me of nothing so much as Nitzer Ebb. And I don't even like Nitzer Ebb. > the utter lack of any L&R on this list also disappointed me. Well, I love Love & Rockets, but they've never really felt like a real band to me somehow. I'm not sure why. [James:] > PS - re: James Iha, I may be the only person on the plant who actually > liked his solo album. Far better than I liked anything by the SPs, too. Did he learn to sing on key for it? I mean, he's cuter than Billy Corgan, but... > From: Eb > > Secondly...since everyone's enjoying the concert yak so much Well, not everyone. :) > *The rest: > Pulp (opening for Blur) Good god, I would have loved to see that show. > From: "matt sewell" > > band, after they were unceremoniously sacked from The Fall... the name I want to hear about someone who's been ceremoniously sacked. :) - -- drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:41:12 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: ROBYN HITCHCOCK APPEARING ON "DUETS WITH DENI" FRI NOV 22 On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, by way of dances with virgos wrote: > "DUETS WITH DENI" > Hosted by DENI BONET > EVERY FRIDAY NIGHT at 12:30 - HALF PAST MIDNIGHT > Time Warner Cable - Channel 56 Has anyone watched this before? I bought a Deni solo album used because I figured the Robyn connection was worth risking $4 and I found it VERY painful... a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:53:08 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: stick a pitchfork in the 80's On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, Ken Ostrander wrote: > the beastie boys have put out some amazing stuff. even if you don't > like rap. I like rap and can't stand the Beasties... I picked up Paul's Boutique on principle and found it more tolerable, but still not exciting or good. > the only time i saw the fall was back in 97. my friend lent me their > most recent release 'oxymoron' which i actually liked very much. Oxymoron was actually a vault-emptying fill-in, though some of the tracks are alternate takes of pretty great stuff. > what would you recommend of their extensive output from the last decade > or so? I'd say you need Cerebral Caustic and Levitate. a ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #387 ********************************