From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #385 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, November 21 2002 Volume 11 : Number 385 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s ["Terrence Mar] RE: TWR+ ["Timothy Reed" ] Re: Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s [Dolph Chaney ] Re: Top 80's [Aaron Mandel ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #384 ["Carnelian Buddha" ] Geekerie 100 [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Naz Nomad ["Brian Hoare" ] Oh yeah...THEM too [Eb ] Peake'd and blown away... ["The Real Mr. Feg" ] Re: Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Peake'd and blown away... ["matt sewell" ] Re: Beak [Michael R Godwin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:39:29 -0500 From: "Terrence Marks" Subject: RE: Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s Wow. I have, I think, five of these albums. Underwater Moonlight, Rain Dogs, Rio, English Settlement, Synchronicity, Ghost in the Machine, and Dukes of Stratosphear. And half of those belong to my fiancee. Hmm...I think I've got Stands for Decibels somewhere but I still haven't listened to it... I look at the concert listings and feel slightly inadequate. Apart from seeing They Might Be Giants thrice and Soul Coughing two times, I don't think I've seen any non-local band more than once. And most of those haven't been too memorable (though that may be my inability to write music reviews deper than "I just got back from seeing Archers of Loaf and I don't think I like their music"). I've probably seen Loyal Frisby a dozen times in his various incarnations (solo, as a band of the same name, as The Go, as Cloud Nine, and as On Cloud Nine. His stuff gets played in the background of MTV shows, which is cool. (http://www.loyalfrisby.com/) Am I really the only person on the list who thinks that Thomas Dolby's "The Golden Age of Wireless" or Squeeze's "East Side Story" belongs there? Pity about the 80s is that most of the bands had One Great Album, but spread bits of it over two or three actual LPs. Terrence Marks http://nice.purrsia.com http://www.unlikeminerva.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:45:47 -0500 From: "Timothy Reed" Subject: RE: TWR+ Right - their first record was on Restless. Despard does a cover of "Times Square Go-Go Boy" by East River Pipe. I'd never heard of ERP til that. Got all their discs now - also worth a listen but, ah, ERP never plays live. Tim > > > >Neighborhoods more than 20 > >> Hm...must be a regional thing? > >> >Alice Despard 12 > >> I have no idea who this is. > >The Neighborhoods were contemporaries of Mission of Burma, Willie > >Alexander, Robyn Lane and the Lyres and easily outdrew all > those guys - > in Boston. > > I know who the Neighborhoods were. I even had a Neighborhoods > cassette, at one point...on Restless, I think? My confessed ignorance > referred to Despard. And yeah, I found a little web info on her > earlier, just 'cuz I was curious. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 23:55:27 -0600 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s At 11:08 PM 11/20/02, Jeff Dwarf wrote: >Only a few I really >object to: Talk Talk, though I've only heard the few singles Live 105 >used to play (but I HATED them) That's exactly the point -- once they stopped making singles, they started becoming great (though I do have a soft spot for "It's My Life"). I guarantee U.S. radio never played a track from Spirit Of Eden. dolph now divorcing. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 01:00:52 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Top 80's On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Tom Clark wrote: > Like others, I'm surprised there's no Camper Van Beethoven. Given the listmakers' bias toward 'sound' and away from 'songs', I'm not *that* surprised. I picked up the CvB box set last week, and while the live album was no big deal (it's not even from the period covered by the other discs!) I was pleased to realize I'd been underestimating the third album in the 8 or 10 years since I listened to my tapes of the pre-major label records. And you can't really say they're overcharging for the box; I got mine for $30, and I've seen it for less since then. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 06:51:53 -0000 From: "Carnelian Buddha" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #384 whew, so much list traffic. i love it, even if i mostly lurk. but in the spirit of current list chattiness, here i go: > From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > > Also: none of the '80s Wire CDs made the list? Blasphemy! _The Ideal Copy_ > is one of my favorite records, and _A Bell Is a Cup Until It Is Struck_ > isn't far behind. oh, agreed!! i, too, was dismayed with the complete omission of Wire from this list, given the obvious influences they had. i remember buying _The Ideal Copy_ when i was .. what, 13? the first Wire album i ever owned, and the song "The Ideal Copy" still totally rocks me to this day. - --- >> Rex: >> The large intersection of the Cave/Waits fanbases is totally feasible and >> expected to me. > >So it has come to be, but it was not ever so. true enough. personally, i find i'm one of those who loves Cave, and just totally and utterly doesn't get Waits, which puts me in the minority among my friends. - --- > From: drew > I like the Smashing Pumpkins' first two albums a lot. The > third is a single album padded out with a lot of noise. > The fourth is just there. After that, forget it. Billy > Corgan's personality seems a lot more annoying than his > voice or his playing, which are both acceptable to me. SP's first two albums are the only two i give a damn about, as well. i forgot to mention them on my concert list; i caught them in Tempe, AZ, around the _Gish_ days, and they totally rocked. whatever fury/drive they had back then, they've lost it since. > I've > never found a use for the Beastie Boys, though, who are in my top > 10 most annoying bands ever (along with Cake). ok, Cake i can kinda understand feeling this way about, but the BBoys? awww, c'mon! :) - --- > From: Eb > Lamest inclusions on the Pitchfork list? > Mekons/The Mekons Love Rock 'n' Roll > Mekons/Fear & Whiskey > Boredoms/Soul Discharge > Spacemen 3/The Perfect Prescription* > Spacemen 3/Playing With Fire* > ESG/Come Away With ESG (I haven't even heard of this group, but...) > Manuel Gottsching/E2-E4 (ditto) > Talk Talk/The Colour of Spring > Talk Talk/Spirit of Eden > The Fall/Perverted by Language > The Fall/Hex Enduction Hour > Cocteau Twins/Blue Bell Knoll* > They Might Be Giants/Lincoln* > Coil/Horse Rotorvator > TV Personalities/And Don't the Kids Just Love It > Nurse With Wound/Homotopy to Marie > Big Black/Songs About Fucking* > This Heat/Deceit mmm .. i'd have to agree with some of this list; TMBG doesn't even fall in the "80's music" category for me, regardless of when _Lincoln_ came out. in fact, there were a number of albums on the Pitchfork list that have a distinctly 90's feel to me, despite their release dates; _Nothing's Shocking_ and _Disintigration_ are a few examples. this is not to say i don't love those albums, but i don't think of them as 80's music in the same way i do, say, _Treasure_, or _Murmur_. personally, a better Cure example for me would've been _The Head on the Door_. - --- > From: Miles Goosens > If I had ten records to put on the list that weren't already there (no > particular order): > The Clash, SANDINISTA! > Wire, A BELL IS A CUP UNTIL IT IS STRUCK > Robyn Hitchcock, I OFTEN DREAM OF TRAINS > Morrissey, VIVA HATE oh, definitely agreed, especially with _Viva Hate_ .. god, that album meant a whole helluva lot to me when i was 15 or so. - --- > From: Jeff Dwarf > Some omissions, other than ones people already said: > Bauhaus/Burning In the Flat Field or The Sky's Gone Out > The Beautiful South/Welcome to The Beautiful South > Billy Bragg/Talking with the Taxman about Poetry > Camper Van Beethoven/Telephone Free Landslide Victory or Key Lime Pie > Lloyd Cole & The Commotions/Rattlesnakes > The Creatures/Boomerang > Crowded House/Temple of Low Men > The Cure/Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me > Dead Kennedys/Fresh Fruit For Rotting Vegetables > The Dream Syndicate/The Days of Wine & Roses > Echo & The Bunnymen/Ocean Rain > Nitzer Ebb/Belief > Sinead O'Connor/The Lion & The Cobra > Pet Shop Boys/Actually > Siouxsie & The Banshees/A Kiss in the Dreamhouse > The Wolfgang Press/Bird Wood Cage > Yazoo/Upstairs at Eric's excellent list, especially Wolfgang Press - Bird Wood Cage is an _incredible_ album. i was pondering the omission of DM/Yazoo/Erasure from Pitchfork's list entirely, but i think it does make sense (as someone said elsewhere) in light of the genealogy of the kind of music they're tracking. but _Upstairs_ is a classic, indeed. as i mentioned before, i'd probably choose _The Head on the Door_ as the standout Cure for me, but _Kiss Me_ is notable too. the utter lack of CVB is also quite notable, though i'd probably go with _Telephone_ over _Key Lime_. and _Boomerang_ - what an amazing work; i can see why Pitchfork mightn't choose it, but it'd be high on my list, that's for damn sure. i'm half surprised Pitchfork ignored _Peep Show_, even, though i too prefer _A Kiss in the Dreamhouse_. as much as i used to dance to Ebb's "Join In The Chant" at the goth clubs when i was a teenager, i can't see their work being influential enough to put on a top 100 list. i like your list overall, though. :) - --- > From: "Jason S. Miller" > drew: > > Love and Rockets Express (or Earth, Sun, Moon) > > | Seriously? Wow, those are the records I listen to the least. > > They've only produced 3 decent records. That makes 7th Dream of Teenage > Heaven your favorite? Not that I'm complaining - I love 7th Dream. Or did > you mean of all the records you own those are the 2 you listen to the > least? the utter lack of any L&R on this list also disappointed me. 7th Dream is great, but Express - what a great album. _ESM_ is good, but almost meanders into wanky surrealism at times. - --- woo, i've wandered into a Kay-like compendium of responses. unusual for usually lurking moi, but given that i'm 15 minutes away from leaving work and on a sugar high, i'm looking for distraction. i guess i found it! Eclipse - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eclipse eclipse@tuliphead.com Kindness towards all things is the true religion. - Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:32:16 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Geekerie 100 >>now this has thoroughly confused me. The Spinners I recall were a >tongue->in-cheek folk group, and I can't imagine them ever doing >anything that came >close to disco. > >That's a different group entirely. I think the Spinners were known >internationally as the Detroit Spinners. In the 60's they were a third >tier Motown group but in the 70's they left Motown and had big hits with >that smooth Philadelphia Soul sound. Their hits included: Could It Be >I'm Falling in Love, It's a Shame, I'll Be Around, One of a Kind Love >Affair, Living a Little Laughing a Little, Then Came You (w/ Dionne >Warwick), Ghetto Child, and The Rubberband Man. Really great stuff all >around. aah. Now I gotcha. Yes, I had forgotten the Detroit Spinners. I have a strange feeling the t-i-cfg Spinners were known as the Liverpool Spinners, come to think of it. Oh, and if Rio is the album with "Save a prayer" on it, then it gets a thumbs up from me, too. But what of the following 80s albums (apologies if one or two of them made the list and I didn't notice...)? Some of them are personal favourites, some of them reflect the geist of that particular zeit, and some of them are just big: Double Fantasy - John Lennon/Yoko Ono Black Sea - XTC Commercial Album - Residents Empty Glass - Pete Townshend Arc of a Diver - Steve Winwood Waiata - Split Enz Big Science - Laurie Anderson Shoot Out the Lights - Richard & Linda Thompson The Blue Mask - Lou Reed 1999 - Prince Love over Gold - Dire Straits Peter Gabriel IV - Peter Gabriel The Blurred Crusade - Church Koyaanisqatsi - Philip Glass Apollo - Eno, Eno, Lanois High Land, Hard Rain - Aztec Camera Emergency Third Rail Power Trip - Rain Parade The Unforgettable Fire - U2 Aural Sculpture - Stranglers Hatful of Hollow - Smiths Brothers in Arms - Dire Straits Rattlesnakes - Lloyd Cole & The Commotions Oil and Gold - Shriekback Suzanne Vega - Suzanne Vega Crowded House - Crowded House Element of Light - Robyn Hitchcock Human Frailty - Hunters and Collectors Diesel and Dust - Midnight Oil The Lion and the Cobra - Siniad O'Connor Daddy's Highway - Bats Saint Julian - Julian Cope Calenture - Triffids Bikini Red - Screaming Blue Messiahs Tallulah - GoBetweens Born Sandy Devotional - Triffids Copperhead Road - Steve Earle Life's Too Good - Sugarcubes Rattle and Hum - U2 The Sensual World - Kate Bush Bound by the Beauty - Jane Siberry Oh Mercy - Bob Dylan The Black Swan - Triffids Cloudland - Phre Ubu Seizure - Chris Knox Acadie - Daniel Lanois Homosapien - Pete Shelley Soul Mining - The The Jam Science - Shriekback Our Favourite Shop - Style Council Electrical Storm - Kuepper, Ed All Over the Place - Bangles The Elbow is Taboo - Renaldo and the Loaf >> collection, the most notable omission was probably the Pretenders' >> debut, which I think is pretty mandatory for *anyone's* best-of-80s well, since it came out in 1979... James PS - re: James Iha, I may be the only person on the plant who actually liked his solo album. Far better than I liked anything by the SPs, too. James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:33:43 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: Re: Naz Nomad From: Ken Weingold >>Excellent day out that included the Damned in their Naz Nomad guise, >Wow! What was The Damned's lineup there? Did Lemmy play with them? Certainly no Lemmy :) Its a long time ago but I don't recall any suprises so I expect it was Vanian, Scabies, Jugg, Merrick, all in 60s costume of course. I'm sure I'd remember if Sensible had turned up. The other time I saw the Damned without Sensible was their 10th birthday party which happened the year before at the same venue - they played 2 days in the park and I went on the day Sensible didn't play but it was _my_ birthday. Brian _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:40:11 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Oh yeah...THEM too Firstly...two people now have told me the Pretenders' debut came out in 1979. Can you offer any documentation? CDNow, my Trouser Press guides and the biggest Pretenders website say the album came out in January, 1980. I assume you're claiming it came out earlier, outside the States? Secondly...since everyone's enjoying the concert yak so much, I went back and numbercrunched a little more. Firstly, I was curious if I could find any bands which I've seen four or more times, which I *don't* collect. Well, I found exactly two. Or four, depending on the strictness of your rules. They are: Too Many Joes (five times...a local band with a pretty blond singer, very much of the 10K Maniacs school) Fluf (four times...the drummer was a good friend of mine, whom I've sadly lost track of....last I heard, he had moved to Auckland, NZ) Also, I'm tempted to count the ever-cringeable Franklin Bruno, whom I've apparently endured twice as a solo artist and three times with Nothing Painted Blue. Similarly, I've seen Grant Lee Phillips four times -- once solo, and three times with Grant Lee Buffalo. - --------------- Then, I compiled a second list, which was more fun for me. I was curious to know the most notable artists which I've seen "by accident." Famous names which I don't collect or endorse, but have seen anyway. I divided them into a few categories. *Artists which I allllllllllmost like...they're right on the cutoff point: Radiohead Low The Handsome Family The Boredoms (this show was a kick :)) The Chemical Brothers The Apples in Stereo (I went to see Beulah open) Elf Power (twice) *Artists whom I used to collect, but eventually pruned: The Waterboys Youssou N'Dour (opening for Peter Gabriel) Elliott Sharp Universal Congress Of Michelle Shocked (opening for Billy Bragg) The Godfathers The Lemonheads Eleventh Dream Day Steve Wynn The Dirty Dozen Brass Band Chapterhouse Babes in Toyland Poster Children (twice) Veruca Salt *Artists which are ALMOST ones I collect, but not quite: Harold Budd (solo, but I only own the Budd collaborations with Brian Eno) A Man Called E (pre-Eels, opening for Tori Amos circa her debut) Ron Nasty & the New Rutles (not the legitimate Rutles), plus an opening acoustic set by Neil Innes Damo Suzuki & Michael Karoli (not to be confused with Can) The Folksmen (Spinal Tap's trad-folk alterego...supposedly a film is planned?) Robert Forster & Grant McLennan (a year or two later, I saw the reunited Go-Betweens) *The rest: Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers (opening for Dylan) Nick Lowe (opening for Costello) Concrete Blonde, plus Johnette Napolitano solo on a different night The Mission UK (barf...and I saw them *twice*) Red Hot Chili Peppers The Alarm The Mekons (twice) Miriam Makeba Skinny Puppy (sucked beyond my tolerance threshold...one of the very few shows by a major name which I've left before its finish...totally unable to understand certain Fegs' idolization of this crud) Psychic TV Dramarama Syd Straw Social Distortion (twice) Ice-T (once solo, once with Body Count) Indigo Girls Queen Latifah Dweezil Zappa (opening for Spinal Tap!) The Walkabouts Shawn Colvin (twice...ugh) Siouxsie & the Banshees (Lollapalooza) Rollins Band (ditto) Chris & Cosey (opening for Neubauten) Anthrax (I went to see Public Enemy open) Giant Sand Bruce Cockburn (I went to see Sam Phillips open...she only played about six songs, and I *still* haven't had another chance to see her) Big Audio Dynamite Live (twice...yikes) Blind Melon Red House Painters Grant Lee Buffalo/Phillips (see above) Jesus Lizard (three times!) Shudder to Think David Gray (opening for Kirsty MacColl when he was a nobody) The Jon Spencer Blues Explosion (opening for the Breeders) Urge Overkill (I went to see Eugenius open) Crash Test Dummies (opening for Costello) Pulp (opening for Blur) His Name is Alive Brendan Perry (previous two names played with the Pale Saints) Come (boy, that hype came and went quickly, didn't it?) Buffy Sainte-Marie (opening for Randy Newman...ugh) Porno for Pyros (Lollapalooza) The Dirty Three (ditto) Bikini Kill (playing with Sonic Youth, but I have essentially no recollection of this set!) Jawbreaker Mojave 3 Richard Davies (opening for Flaming Lips) Underworld Meat Beat Manifesto Joe Henry Jeremy Enigk Girls Against Boys (I went to see Placebo open) Rasputina (opening for the Cranes) Dogstar (with Keanu!) Pete Yorn (opening for Guided by Voices, but I have NO memory of this!) The Dandy Warhols (opening for either Supergrass or Spiritualized) Gus Gus Atari Teenage Riot (hilarious scene...so much hype, so little substance) Lisa Loeb (I went to see Rufus Wainwright open...another case where I couldn't make it all the way through the set...I left when she went into an extended babble about how cool *seven-layer dip* is) Calexico Ben Lee Fountains of Wayne (I went to see Owsley open) The Black Heart Procession Aimee Mann (I went to see her hubby Michael Penn, who was playing jointly with her) Phil Lesh (headlining *over* Bob Dylan...oh, cruel unjust world!) Nick Heyward The Romantics The Black Crowes (I went to see Oasis open) Tool (I went to see King Crimson open) Beachwood Sparks The Divine Comedy (opening for Neil Finn) Ultimate Fakebook Midge Ure (recently opened for the Soft Boys) Woo, Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 01:06:45 -0800 From: "The Real Mr. Feg" Subject: Peake'd and blown away... Stewart C. Russell: > Peake mentions a fairy "like a William Pear" in one of his poems. He certainly does! References like that are why I read this list. :) For those who don't know it: O here it is! And there it is! And no one knows who's share it is Nor dares to stake a claim - But we have seen it in the air A fairy like a William Pear - With but itself to blame. Thanks for reminding me! and also: >> I own a shameful 27% of the listed records > >That's 300% better than me, then. ...and you beat *me* by a mile! I have a mere handful. (although curiously I do have other albums by some of the featured artists). I guess just wasn't buying those sort of albums in the 80's. Which partly explains why my submission for "most blown away by" concert would have to be Nusrat Fatah Ali Kahn in London - '83 or '84 I think. My girlfriend and I had actually come into town to see someone completely different - an African band, I forget who - but got the day wrong, and hadn't checked our tickets. We had never heard of Kahn (few had back then), but having come all that way, and having nothing better to do, decided to go in anyway. The venue was a cavernous concert hall on the South Bank, and it was *packed*. More importantly, we were the ONLY white faces in the *entire* place - and also seemed to be the only people who had no idea who this guy was. However the crowd was friendly and obviously very excited, which bode well. The musicians sat around a simple carpet in the center of a huge bare stage. After an instrumental warm-up, Kahn appeared - to rapturous applause - shambling, and more than a few kilos above his ideal weight, and sat cross-legged on the carpet. My friend and I exchanged apprehensive glances and made ready for a quick exit. Then came that VOICE. Wow! I've never heard anything like it before or since. Recordings don't even come close. It was as close as I've come to an out-of-body experience from music. No chemicals required. Number two would be Tangerine Dream - in Guildford civic hall in about 1974. Everyone sat on the floor, and the place was totally dark ...including the stage (except for a few LEDs and control panels on the banks of synths) and we were subjected to our first taste of live quadraphonic sound. Sounds flew around the hall, over our heads, ducked and weaved around each other ...I get the chills thinking about it even now. We never did get to see the faces of the band though - they could have been anybody! Lastly (since all good things come in threes) I have to include the Soft Boys in Cambridge in '79 (seen many times). I'm not going to describe those shows, but you know it must have been good since I'm still going back to see them 20+ years later! ~N - -- Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -Pablo Picasso ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 01:36:37 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s Dolph Chaney wrote: > At 11:08 PM 11/20/02, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > >Only a few I really > >object to: Talk Talk, though I've only heard the few singles Live > >105 used to play (but I HATED them) > > That's exactly the point -- once they stopped making singles, they > started > becoming great (though I do have a soft spot for "It's My Life"). I > guarantee U.S. radio never played a track from Spirit Of Eden. well, okay. the one I really despised was "life's what you make it," which was saccharrine, cloying, and condescending enough to make Oprah want to sit around and do nothing but smoke pot and watch cartoons for a week as a fuck you gesture." And any band that names a song after itself (the soft boys exempted, of course). The video for "it's my life" was kinda cool, but only if you were listening to another song. > dolph > now divorcing. that sucks... ===== "If we don't allow journalists, politicians, and every two-bit Joe Schmo with a cause to grandstand by using 9-11 as a lame rhetorical device, then the terrorists have already won." -- "Shredder" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:55:59 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: In the neighbourhood of infinity... Poor Steve Hanley and Craig Scanlon... Chrissy & I went to see their new band, after they were unceremoniously sacked from The Fall... the name was Ark, and SH and CS played rather like they had done in The Fall. However, their singer was somewhere between a shit Ian Astbury and an embarrassing Jim Morrison... unsurprisingly they split soon after. Of course The Fall go from strength to strength - the new band, younger and incredibly similar to the old Fall, play with such energy and enthusiasm that the band is really at the best I've seen them for years (seen them about 10 or 15 times since 1990, saw them a couple of months ago, seeing them tonight at the Camdem Ballroom). Steve Hanley is now a caretaker at a school. Craig Scanlon is apparently similarly employed... Cheers Matt >From: "Rex.Broome" . >Wonder if Craig Scanlon and Brix Smith are in the Spinners now? >________________ > >"Best of the '80's" list: >I check in with 69 of these, 70 if you count the vinyl copy of "Thriller" I >married into. Weird list as usual. Some individual manias seem to have >colored it even more than you'd expect. Someone has a deeper than usual >love for the Fall and Mission of Burma than you'd usually see (and of which >I heartily approve) but I can't quite suss the multiple entries for Talk >Talk (??). The ommissions are one thing, but the inclusion of Duran Duran >in any form is absolutely inexcusable... if you throw open the door to music >whose primary value is nostalgia, it really skews the whole exercise, eh? > >-Rex - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:07:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Break like the Hawkwind On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Rex.Broome wrote: > Given all the talk of Hawkwind lately, it occurs to me that I don't think > I've ever actually heard them... just a couple of covers of "Silver > Machine"... > > I could use an honest assessment of the likelihood that I would like them at > all. I have a pretty strong aversion to most prog rock and am bored to > tears by metal of any flavor... I have a feeling that severely diminishes > the probability that I'd dig them. Am I right? Yes. When I supported them at the Rainbow in 1972 (crash!) they seemed very nice, but unexciting musically. Unless you like the abstract VCS element of their sound, they are pretty much a one-chord thrash. I seem to remember that last time I saw them, they had quite a catchy number called ?'Masters of the Universe' which had three bass notes instead of the usual one - a bit like 'Paranoid' on Mandies. OTOH, they pop up frequently in Michael Moorcock's novels of London life in an alternative reality, so they must have something going for them. Personally, I'd rather listen to 'Empires of the Sun' by Hapshash and the Coloured Coat (featuring the Human Host and the Heavy Metal Kids). - - Mike Godwin n.p. Pink Fairies "Broken Statue" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:16:51 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: Peake'd and blown away... And why the hell not?! Cheers Matt, so interested in hearing about Soft Boys gigs, he even joined an RH/SBs email mailing list... >From: "The Real Mr. Feg" >Lastly (since all good things come in threes) I have to include the Soft >Boys in Cambridge in '79 (seen many times). I'm not going to describe >those shows - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:11:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Beak On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Montauk Daisy wrote: > While I normally eschew anything that smells like work, its hard to resist > this one. > > "Earliest in budge a beak q.v.,i.e in 1610; > (Budge a Beak -- to run away, properly from a constable or magistrate: 1610, > Rowlands, Martin Mark-all) > > 1735, John Poulter, Discoveries, A rum Beak; a good Justice (of the Peace). > A quare Beak; a bad Justice; ... > > From Oliver Twist " Why, a beaks a madgstrate. > > firs recorded US usage 1845. Thanks very much. The use of "quare" suggests a possible Irish origin. Could it originally be a Gaelic word, like 'craic' and 'galore'? - - MRG PS Since you ask, the only act with 2 UK top 10 all-time best-sellers was Boney M. The Beatles had 2 in the top 20 ('She loves you' and 'Can't buy me love'). ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #385 ********************************