From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #384 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, November 21 2002 Volume 11 : Number 384 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s ["Stewart C. R] Re: Fred Schneider [Tom Clark ] Re: Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s [Jeffrey with ] Re: Fred Schneider ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Old gigs; smashing the Pumpkins ["Rex.Broome" ] fa-fa-fa-fa...what? [drew ] Re: Old gigs; smashing the Pumpkins [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Old gigs; smashing the Pumpkins [Aaron Mandel ] Re: Old gigs; smashing the Pumpkins [Eb ] RE: Old gigs; smashing the Pumpkins ["Timothy Reed" ] eighties [Miles Goosens ] Smashing Pumpkins [Jill Brand ] Re: Kiss my list... [Tom Clark ] Re: Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Kiss my list... [Ken Weingold ] RE: Old gigs; smashing the Pumpkins ["Timothy Reed" ] 3/4ths of Bauhaus [wuz: Re: Let the geekery begin ...] [Jeff Dwarf ] TWR+ [Eb ] Re: Old gigs; smashing the Pumpkins [Tom Clark ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:49:46 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s Tom Clark wrote: > > I've still got mine! I lent mine to someone 10 years ago, and never seen it since. I met the guy at an Ivor Cutler (probably my favourite performer) event a couple of years ago, and he said he still had it. As long as it's safe, I suppose ... I thought the apologies for "Summer In Hell" and "Monster" on the remix CD were particularly pusillanimous. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:53:05 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Fred Schneider on 11/20/02 4:49 PM, Stewart C. Russell at scruss@sympatico.ca wrote: > > I thought the apologies for "Summer In Hell" and "Monster" on the remix CD > were particularly pusillanimous. > Please explain for the class... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:53:51 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s Offlist, someone commented to me: > I'd say Ghost in the Machine has aged worse than Synchronicity, actually.... In some respects, yes - but I still like a couple-two songs from it, whereas I can barely stand to listen to Synchronicity anymore. The stereotypical '80s-gloss production, for one thing, and Sting's ego had begun its flowering into grotesque enormousness. Also: none of the '80s Wire CDs made the list? Blasphemy! _The Ideal Copy_ is one of my favorite records, and _A Bell Is a Cup Until It Is Struck_ isn't far behind. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: This album is dedicated to anyone who started out as an animal and :: winds up as a processing unit. :: --Soft Boys, note, _Can of Bees_ np: Cocteau Twins _BBC Sessions_ disc 2 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:03:03 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Fred Schneider Tom Clark wrote: > > Please explain for the class... The liner notes for my copy (bought 9/9/91 for GBP12.26 -- I had a habit of keeping receipts back then) say: * The monster referred to [in "Monster (In My Pants)"] is a dinosaur wearing my polka dot underwear not what some dirty minded people would have you think * The Hell referred to in this song ["Summer in Hell"] is a lost city in Atlantis. The real Hell is so awful that it is not funny. See? Stewart (still wondering why I can't find referrences to John Cote on anything but this and BotS) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:22:57 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Old gigs; smashing the Pumpkins KenL >>a lot of folks left after vernon and the boys and missed a really kick-ass set from >>the godfathers. Hmmm. I saw the Godfathers at what amounted to a USC pep rally and they were great despite the sadness of the booking. The singer had taken the time to learn the USC cheers and hand signals and used them to snidely mock the frat-boy audience throughout the set. It was cool. Saw Devo under similar circumstances. Same year, I saw Living Colour opening for Guns 'N' Roses opening for the Stones. It was during the height of the G'N'R "controversy" over Axl's racial epithets in that one song blah blah blah whatever. Living Colour carped about it during their set and then GNR came out without Axl and everyone was supposed to be all "did they kick Axl out" and then he came out and we were supposed to be all "hoooray" and really we were just all "wankers, where's Keef". Only stadium show I ever saw. ______ Drew: >>Oh, like the primary value of Psionic Psunspot isn't nostalgia? Well... not nostalgia for the '80's! But point taken. >>The bands/musicians I've never seen live and wish I could would >>have at the top of the list the Cure, Kate Bush, and Butlerian Suede. Isn't "the Butlerian Suede" the thing they talk about in "Dune" where the humans overthrew the thinking machines? _________ Eb: >>The large intersection of the Cave/Waits fanbases is totally feasible and >>expected to me. So it has come to be, but it was not ever so. Compare early Waits to Birthday Party. And to me they fall on opposing sides of the "consumate craftsman/force of nature" equation. But again, I like both of them. ______ Ken: >>I'll admit it. I fucking hate the Smashing Pumpkins. Don't you feel better now? >>Much later on, I figured out that I might actually have liked them if >>someone else were singing. And writing the lyrics! Come on... those are bad lyrics. But they woulda made a good backing band for Frank Black's solo career. - -Rex "who's next?" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:28:03 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Old gigs; smashing the Pumpkins >Rex: > >>The large intersection of the Cave/Waits fanbases is totally feasible and >>>expected to me. > >So it has come to be, but it was not ever so. Uh, I don't think it's any secret that the two have evolved toward each other rather than away. Eb PS Busiest list day in awhile, eh? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:42:06 -0800 (PST) From: drew Subject: fa-fa-fa-fa...what? > From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) > > PS - oh, and interesting call, whoever suggested Scary Mosters was about > the fashion industry. It's possible, though I'm not yet fully convinced. That was me and it was totally tongue-in-cheek. It would be pretty funny if I turned out to be "right," though. > PPS - 26 of those 100 top 80s albums. But perhaps the fact that I don't > like either the Pixies or the Fall counted against me. I've always thought the Pixies were overrated myself, but almost no one agrees with me. I like them and all, but geez. > From: Eb > collection, the most notable omission was probably the Pretenders' > debut, which I think is pretty mandatory for *anyone's* best-of-80s Funny...I have it, I like it, but I was expecting a bit more than I got somehow. I listen to Learning To Crawl a lot more...it just sounds a bit more confident overall, but that might be the production. And it has "My City Was Gone" on it. As a longtime (for me) Kate Bush fan, I agree that The Dreaming is a splendid album, but it's such an island, even for Kate, pretty much unique. > From: "Rex.Broome" > > Oh, I've heard it. Maybe it encapsulates the '80's, but not the '80's I > want to remember. I'm always surprised when I run into people who defend > Duran Duran. I never think of them as a real band. I'm less concerned with the process than I am with the results, generally. Someone put all those sounds together, and the point is that on a few albums and tracks they sounded fucking great. Towering style over substance, but let's not underestimate style. I doubt anyone who likes Duran Duran does so because they're impressed with their instrumental prowess. > That's probably unfair, but it was my impression as a 13 year old who hated > MTV and had grown up around working bands. Well, that would do it. For my part, I was fascinated by the holistic image/costumes/makeup/video/audio package bands of the 80s were expected to present and I'm not ashamed of that. I'm not sure how anyone could like Bowie without appreciating Duran Duran...I mean, his music's amazing, but don't try to tell me his spectacle had nothing to do with it all. I like the Smashing Pumpkins' first two albums a lot. The third is a single album padded out with a lot of noise. The fourth is just there. After that, forget it. Billy Corgan's personality seems a lot more annoying than his voice or his playing, which are both acceptable to me. I've never found a use for the Beastie Boys, though, who are in my top 10 most annoying bands ever (along with Cake). - -- drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:45:20 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Old gigs; smashing the Pumpkins Quoting "Rex.Broome" : > Drew: > >>Oh, like the primary value of Psionic Psunspot isn't nostalgia? > > Well... not nostalgia for the '80's! But point taken. No, I don't think it is. If the criticism of including Duran Duran in the "best of the '80s" list was that it was there only for "nostalgia," I took that to mean something like "fondness for memories associated with the music" rather than actually liking the music today. I notice that no one's claiming "nostalgia" for all the *other* acts on the list who are long gone...for which fondness, then, could raise accusations of "nostalgia." The reason Duran Duran gets that accusation is the assumption that one couldn't like their music for its own virtues. And the reason the Dukes *isn't* nostalgia in this sense is simply: the songs are fine songs independent of the period production and arranging, and even those aspects of the album are so well done that they transcend mere mood-evocation. Who says a style is exhausted just because its time in vogue has passed? Re Duran Duran: actually, the first two albums *are* pretty interesting (even if, speaking of "Nostalgia," the singer stole his style from David Sylvian). "Rio," for example, has a very cool, jumpy bassline that contrasts with the somewhat static melody, and "Save a Prayer" is just plain pretty. They were a better band than "nostalgia" gives them credit for...though they probably don't belong on the list ahead of some of the glaring omissions mentioned here - put me also in the pro-Thin White Rope camp. And - duh - in the "where's _Lolita Nation_?" camp. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: we make everything you need, and you need everything we make ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:02:54 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Old gigs; smashing the Pumpkins >Jeffrey: >And - duh - in the "where's _Lolita Nation_?" camp. You forget: Everyone who thinks Scott Miller is a major talent is dead wrong. We've been over this before. ;) Lamest inclusions on the Pitchfork list? Mekons/The Mekons Love Rock 'n' Roll Mekons/Fear & Whiskey Boredoms/Soul Discharge Spacemen 3/The Perfect Prescription* Spacemen 3/Playing With Fire* ESG/Come Away With ESG (I haven't even heard of this group, but...) Manuel Gottsching/E2-E4 (ditto) Talk Talk/The Colour of Spring Talk Talk/Spirit of Eden The Fall/Perverted by Language The Fall/Hex Enduction Hour Cocteau Twins/Blue Bell Knoll* They Might Be Giants/Lincoln* Coil/Horse Rotorvator TV Personalities/And Don't the Kids Just Love It Nurse With Wound/Homotopy to Marie Big Black/Songs About Fucking* This Heat/Deceit I even own the asterisked ones (and would probably enjoy those Fall albums too), but...come on. Eb (did folks realize that "Feckless Doug" unsubscribed? kinda takes a bite out of the list's contemporary-music talk...) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:01:39 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Old gigs; smashing the Pumpkins On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Eb wrote: > ESG/Come Away With ESG (I haven't even heard of this group, but...) So it must be lame to include it? Geez. ESG practiced the austere early-80s funk that grew out of No Wave -- the kind of thing done by 99 Records in the US and Y Records in the UK. The revival of that stuff first appeared on my radar two or three years ago, but it's gotten a lot bigger lately with bands like !!! and Out Hud doing pretty well in indie circles and come to think of it interest in Factory Records might be sort of related too. Anyway. I suspect the Pitchfork guys probably first heard of ESG around the same time I did, but I haven't heard more than a few tracks, so I'm not going to assume they shouldn't be on the list. > The Fall/Perverted by Language > The Fall/Hex Enduction Hour Both better than TNSG, I think, though my opinion of the whole Beggars Banquet run is sort of tainted by the bad stuff at the end of it, while the early-80s rhythm-oriented stuff was much more consistent. > This Heat/Deceit I dunno, man. It doesn't really fit the rest of the stuff they listed, but it's a hell of a record. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:22:08 -0500 From: "Timothy Reed" Subject: Kiss my list... Putting together my list of live shows was fun. Do I need a database for this too? Maybe I'm reading these lists too fast, but it looks like nobody's seen Kiss live. I'd always wanted to see them - I had vowed to buy every record until the 3rd live album, and in hindsight am glad I did - Kiss Unmasked for instance is an unheard pop classic and Rock and Roll Over is still good. My list favors NY 70's punk - I was a teenager during a pretty good time for music. I'm sure that I'm missing a bunch of bands, but in terms of bands I should have seen, them and DC's 9353 are my only regret. Tim Johnny Thunders more than 20 Neighborhoods more than 20 Robyn Hitchcock 15 Alice Despard 12 Butthole Surfers 6 Evan Dando/Lemonheads 6 Ramones 6 Richard Hell 6 Walter Lure 6 Cheap Trick 5 Hugh Cornwell 5 Marbles 5 Blondie 4 Julianna Hatfield 4 Luna 4 Lurkers 3 American Analog Set 3 Clash 3 Her Space Holiday 3 Stranglers 3 B-52s 2 Brilliantine 2 Cramps 2 David Bowie 2 Dear Janes 2 Erasers 2 Gun Club 2 Iggy 2 Make-up 2 Mates of State 2 Talking Heads 2 True Love 2 Aerosmith 1 Beach Boys 1 Blasters 1 Bob Mould 1 Clem Snide 1 Dandy Warhols 1 David Johannsen 1 ELO 1 Hole 1 Jam 1 Jill Sobule 1 Led Zep 1 Maria McKee 1 Mission of Burma 1 Patti Smith 1 Paul Weller 1 PJ Harvey 1 Pylon 1 Queen 1 REM 1 Richard Lloyd 1 Rush 1 Sham 69 1 Ted Nugent 1 Television 1 Thin Lizzy 1 UFO 1 Yes 1 Mekons 1 Fall 1 Feelies 1 Radiohead 2 Suede 1 Brian Ferry 1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:30:55 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Old gigs; smashing the Pumpkins Aaron: > > This Heat/Deceit > >I dunno, man. It doesn't really fit the rest of the stuff they listed, but >it's a hell of a record. I actually sold off a copy of this awhile back, and now suspect that I got far less for it than I should have. I almost liked it, but...not quite. Rather insular and clinical, as I recall. "Here buddy, have another loop...." Felt more like a laboratory sampler than an album. This subject reminds me that I'm more than ready to hear a new Robert Wyatt album. C'mon Bob...hit me. >Timothy: >Putting together my list of live shows was fun. Do I need a database >for this too? Just curious...how would you put together a list WITHOUT a database? Or are you making a distinction between maintaining a simple list on paper, and using a sortable computer file? >Neighborhoods more than 20 Hm...must be a regional thing? >Alice Despard 12 I have no idea who this is. >Led Zep 1 Aye, there's one to brag about. :) Eb (yes, I decided to switch back from the digest format yesterday, so some of my responses will come quicker now) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:32:19 -0500 From: "Timothy Reed" Subject: RE: Old gigs; smashing the Pumpkins ESG had a big hit in the early 80's with 'Moody'. They were 3 Puerto Rican teenage girls from the Bronx playing spare funk on cheap synths. I reckon that they were popular around the Afrika Bambaataa/Planet Rock days. 99 Records started as a record store on MacDougal Street and had some great acts - Bush Tetras for instance - that had their roots in No Wave but were a little funkier in an awkward art school kind of way. Some of it holds up. ESG are back together and play in NYC frequently. Tim > On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Eb wrote: > > > ESG/Come Away With ESG (I haven't even heard of this group, but...) > > So it must be lame to include it? Geez. > > ESG practiced the austere early-80s funk that grew out of No > Wave -- the kind of thing done by 99 Records in the US and Y > Records in the UK. The revival of that stuff first appeared > on my radar two or three years ago, but it's gotten a lot > bigger lately with bands like !!! and Out Hud doing pretty > well in indie circles and come to think of it interest in > Factory Records might be sort of related too. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:50:02 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: eighties Eb sez: >(did folks realize that "Feckless Doug" unsubscribed? kinda takes >a bite out of the list's contemporary-music talk...) And out of the "Game Theory/Loud Family Scott Miller *IS* a major freakin' artist, boy-eeee" camp too. In fact, I suspect the "is" camp at least equals the "isn't" among Fegs, with an overwhelming majority voting "who?" >Lamest inclusions on the Pitchfork list? > >Mekons/The Mekons Love Rock 'n' Roll >Mekons/Fear & Whiskey >The Fall/Perverted by Language >The Fall/Hex Enduction Hour >This Heat/Deceit Eh, bite me and such like. :-) With the Mekons, I would have substituted HONKY TONKIN' for FEAR & WHISKEY, but THE MEKONS ROCK 'N' ROLL (Eb seems to have run it together with I LOVE MEKONS -- the heart symbol wouldn't make it past demime, so I won't even try it) was an inspired choice for the list. If I had ten records to put on the list that weren't already there (no particular order): Game Theory, LOLITA NATION The Clash, SANDINISTA! Wire, A BELL IS A CUP UNTIL IT IS STRUCK Robyn Hitchcock, I OFTEN DREAM OF TRAINS Shriekback, OIL AND GOLD Prince, PARADE (it or SIGN O' THE TIMES over PURPLE RAIN, not even close) Morrissey, VIVA HATE Julian Cope, WORLD SHUT YOUR MOUTH Jason & the Scorchers, LOST AND FOUND Richard & Linda Thompson, SHOOT OUT THE LIGHTS later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 23:19:52 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: Smashing Pumpkins I never got the appeal of this band at all. So much hoopla over so little substance. Jill, who is wondering if it was the drugs or childbirth that has made me very fuzzy on the number of times I have seen certain bands (though I know the exact dates of the 4 Smiths shows I attended....I think) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:57:43 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Kiss my list... on 11/20/02 7:22 PM, Timothy Reed at treed@cpr.com wrote: > Maybe I'm reading these lists too fast, but it looks like > nobody's seen Kiss live. Are you kidding me? KISS (the proper spelling, thank you) was my very first concert. August 1975, The Calderon Concert Hall in Hempstead, Long Island. I was 12. The Flock (Jerry Goodman, not Jean-Luc Ponty) opened for them. After the show my long-haired buddies and I got into a shouting match with the Gentle Giant fans waiting to get in for the 11 PM show. What a bunch of wankers THEY were! btw, I started hating KISS after Destroyer came out. Too much of a joke at that point. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:08:00 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s I have 46, with a couple more on my wishlist. Only a few I really object to: Talk Talk, though I've only heard the few singles Live 105 used to play (but I HATED them), and Thriller, and that may be more due to the rather hideous person ol' Wacko Jacko has become. I hope that kid puked all over him once they got back inside the room, finally causing that nose to deflate once and for all. Some omissions, other than ones people already said: Bauhaus/Burning In the Flat Field or The Sky's Gone Out The Beautiful South/Welcome to The Beautiful South Billy Bragg/Talking with the Taxman about Poetry Camper Van Beethoven/Telephone Free Landslide Victory or Key Lime Pie Lloyd Cole & The Commotions/Rattlesnakes The Creatures/Boomerang Crowded House/Temple of Low Men The Cure/Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me Dead Kennedys/Fresh Fruit For Rotting Vegetables The Dream Syndicate/The Days of Wine & Roses Echo & The Bunnymen/Ocean Rain The English Beat/I Just Can't Stop It Brian Eno/Ambient 4 On Land The House of Love/self-titled one with Christine, etc The Jesus & Mary Chain/Darklands -- it's okay, but I've never understood why Psychocandy is considered the masterpiece Kirsty MacColl/Kite Bob Marley & The Wailers/Uprising New Order/Brotherhood or Low-Life -- both are far better than PC&L Nitzer Ebb/Belief Sinead O'Connor/The Lion & The Cobra Pet Shop Boys/Actually Siouxsie & The Banshees/A Kiss in the Dreamhouse Squeeze/East Side Story The The/Mind Bomb or Soul Mining Tom Tom Club/self-titled Ultra Vivid Scene/self-titled The Wolfgang Press/Bird Wood Cage Yazoo/Upstairs at Eric's ===== "If we don't allow journalists, politicians, and every two-bit Joe Schmo with a cause to grandstand by using 9-11 as a lame rhetorical device, then the terrorists have already won." -- "Shredder" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 05:14:46 +0000 (GMT) From: "Jason S. Miller" Subject: Re: Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s Me: >Pitchfork has compiled their list of the best records of the 80s. > > http://pitchforkmedia.com/top/80s/ > >I own a shameful 27% of the listed records. | Miles: | | Why shameful? Anyone who acts like the '80s were the decade of ultimate | cheese (musically speaking) pretty much has his or her head up his or | her ass. Apologies. Let me clarify: I _only_ own a shameful 27% of the listed records. drew: > Love and Rockets Express (or Earth, Sun, Moon) | Seriously? Wow, those are the records I listen to the least. They've only produced 3 decent records. That makes 7th Dream of Teenage Heaven your favorite? Not that I'm complaining - I love 7th Dream. Or did you mean of all the records you own those are the 2 you listen to the least? Mike: | Also it looks like once again Thin White Rope are stuck holding the bag | as the greatest friggin' band that nobody cares about. The song "Down In | The Desert" alone puts them in the '80s top 10 in my book. Huh. Never heard of them. Which of their releases must I own? Jason ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:13:46 -0500 From: Ed Subject: Re: Kiss my list... On Wednesday, November 20, 2002, at 11:57 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > btw, I started hating KISS after Destroyer came out. Too much of a > joke at > that point. heh, ex ACT ly. this is how I felt when 'love gun' came out. (hey, I'm younger than you, I was only 9). where was the brute force and honesty of 'hotter than hell?,' i ask you? (and where's my 'hotter than hell,' i ask you? yes, ken, i'm lookin in yer direction). well, except for "christine sixteen" - I still love that one (and I'm married to a christine as well, so). oh, and "plaster caster." so, actually that record rocks. sorry. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:19:32 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Kiss my list... On Thu, Nov 21, 2002, Ed wrote: > heh, ex ACT ly. this is how I felt when 'love gun' came out. (hey, I'm > younger than you, I was only 9). where was the brute force and honesty > of 'hotter than hell?,' i ask you? (and where's my 'hotter than hell,' > i ask you? yes, ken, i'm lookin in yer direction). *crackle* *crackle* *crackle* It's coming... *crackle* *crackle* *crackle* Already on my iPod... *crackle* *crackle* You coming to Yo La Tengo? - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:20:37 -0500 From: "Timothy Reed" Subject: RE: Old gigs; smashing the Pumpkins Hi Eb: > >Putting together my list of live shows was fun. Do I need a > database for this too? > > Just curious...how would you put together a list WITHOUT a database? > Or are you making a distinction between maintaining a simple list on > paper, and using a sortable computer file? I do distinguish between a proper database with tables and, hopefully, indices and regular old documents and flat files. In this case I used the latter: Excel and my own bad memory. > >Neighborhoods more than 20 > Hm...must be a regional thing? > >Alice Despard 12 > I have no idea who this is. The Neighborhoods were contemporaries of Mission of Burma, Willie Alexander, Robyn Lane and the Lyres and easily outdrew all those guys - in Boston. Toured incessantly but never really broke out. Some of their stuff can be had on Kazaa. Alice Despard has the dreaded moniker highly regarded singer/songwriter but never became known outside DC. In a band called Hyaa that was popular locally and recorded with Mitch Easter. Very active in the DC music scene. Several releases out - latest one is the best. http://mp3.washingtonpost.com/bands/alice_despard.shtml Tim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:30:56 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: 3/4ths of Bauhaus [wuz: Re: Let the geekery begin ...] "Jason S. Miller" wrote: > drew: > > > Love and Rockets Express (or Earth, Sun, Moon) > > | Seriously? Wow, those are the records I listen to the least. > > They've only produced 3 decent records. That makes 7th Dream of > Teenage Heaven your favorite? Not that I'm complaining - I love 7th > Dream. Or did you mean of all the records you own those are the 2 you > listen to the least? No, they produced 3 superb records, a pretty good record that inexplicably produced a hit single, went on hiatus during which David J released a really good solo album (and a sucky one, while Danish Ash made two okay solo albums), then produced 3 albums that should have been ep's. And that single as The Bubblemen. ===== "If we don't allow journalists, politicians, and every two-bit Joe Schmo with a cause to grandstand by using 9-11 as a lame rhetorical device, then the terrorists have already won." -- "Shredder" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:31:20 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Top 80's http://pitchforkmedia.com/top/80s/index.shtml Turns out I've got 25 out of 100. Do I get extra points for having De La Soul, The Replacements, New Order, and Big Black on vinyl? Guess not. Like others, I'm surprised there's no Camper Van Beethoven. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:33:19 -0700 From: Eb Subject: TWR+ >| Also it looks like once again Thin White Rope are stuck holding the bag >| as the greatest friggin' band that nobody cares about. The song "Down In >| The Desert" alone puts them in the '80s top 10 in my book. > >Huh. Never heard of them. Which of their releases must I own? Definitely Sack Full of Silver and Moonhead, to start. Both fantastic. More info: http://moonhead.linklord.com Actually, I have two extra Sack Full of Silver discs, if anyone's desperate for one. They'll cost ya $5, though. Apologies for my stinginess. ;) > > >Neighborhoods more than 20 >> Hm...must be a regional thing? >> >Alice Despard 12 >> I have no idea who this is. >The Neighborhoods were contemporaries of Mission of Burma, Willie >Alexander, Robyn Lane and the Lyres and easily outdrew all those guys - in Boston. I know who the Neighborhoods were. I even had a Neighborhoods cassette, at one point...on Restless, I think? My confessed ignorance referred to Despard. And yeah, I found a little web info on her earlier, just 'cuz I was curious. Eb PS Ours' minorly talented Jimmy Gnecco waxes Kimberley-esque to me, when explaining why his songs dwell on misery: "When something terrible happens or you're just feeling depressed about things, you tend to be a better human being at those moments. I like to write songs which make people feel that way, because I hope, in return, it makes people want to be better people. Not that a happy song can't do that, but it has just never been my makeup to do that. To sing something like, you know, 'I'm walking on sunshine' has never been in me." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:35:54 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Old gigs; smashing the Pumpkins on 11/20/02 9:20 PM, Timothy Reed at treed@cpr.com wrote: > The Neighborhoods were contemporaries of Mission of Burma, Willie > Alexander, Robyn Lane and the Lyres and easily outdrew all those guys - > in Boston. Toured incessantly but never really broke out. Right! I knew they sounded familiar. I think I must have an LP of theirs stashed away someplace. They rocked, from what I can remember. Takes me back to the days of "Come On Pilgrim" and the original Lemonheads (when they were a punk band). Too bad Evan Dando turned into such a tool. Enough for today. - -tc ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #384 ********************************