From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #383 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, November 20 2002 Volume 11 : Number 383 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: sing bjork silver [Ken Weingold ] Re: Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s [Miles Goosens] Re: sing bjork silver [Ken Ostrander ] RE: Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s ["Bachman, Mic] gigs -- repeat performances ["ross taylor" ] divers alarums [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] reap [dances with virgos ] electric barbarella [drew ] Spinners ["Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" ] RE: reap ["Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" ] concerts/80s [Eb ] Cave / Bad '80's, Bad '90's (100% cranky) ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s [Jeffrey with ] RE: Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s ["Bret" ] Re: Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s ["Stewart C. R] Re: Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s [Tom Clark ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:43:51 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: sing bjork silver On Wed, Nov 20, 2002, Jason R. Thornton wrote: > I had a similar reaction to the Sugarcubes on this tour, which I caught at > San Diego State. I haaaaaated Bjork for awhile, back when she was in this > band - although when she went solo, I did a complete about-face in my > opinions of her, and have since gone back and re-discovered the > Sugarcubes. De La Soul played when I saw this show, too, and one of their > turntables broke down, so the DJ started tossing records out into the crowd > like frisbees. Hah. I saw Del La Soul open for Living Colour in 1988 (at The Ritz incidentally) and no one at all was paying attention to them. I was upstairs and noticed them on stage doing the homeboy prance around with the arms out then folded then out and folded type thing. Kinda sad, actually. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:57:39 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s At 04:10 PM 11/20/2002 -0500, Stewart C. Russell wrote: >Jason S. Miller wrote: >> >> I own a shameful 27% of the listed records > >That's 300% better than me, then. > >And there was nothing from The B-52's. I guess it was a flat decade for them. This does remind me that I've never added the B-52's to my own lists. Wasn't WILD PLANET a 1980 relase? If so, it'd be #26 of the year, and it was a very strong year indeedy. I'll have to put COSMIC THING in at the lofty perch of #6 for 1989 -- it benefits from a weak year, but it is a damn fine record, more mature and wise than I ever expected from them. None of their other '80s records would track very highly for me. I've owned MESOPOTAMIA at some point; never bought WHAMMY or BOUNCING OFF THE SATELLITES... unless you want to count PARTY MIX, I think that's all the B-52's albums there are in the decade. And that's all but two of them, period, not counting compilations. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:17:49 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: Re: sing bjork silver >>> sugarcubes 89 >> >>REALLY?!? I saw that tour too, but more to see New Order and PiL. >>The Sugarcubes bored me to death. > >I had a similar reaction to the Sugarcubes on this tour, which I caught at San Diego State. I haaaaaated Bjork for awhile, back when she was in this band - although when she went solo, I did a complete about-face in my opinions of her, and have since gone back and re-discovered the Sugarcubes. De La Soul played when I saw this show, too, and one of their turntables broke down, so the DJ started tossing records out into the crowd like frisbees. new order didn't play for some reason. someone was sick. lydon and pil played what i expected; but i was blown away by bjork more than anything else. i actually ran up on stage and kissed her (!) during 'birthday'. einar's contributions to the first album amused me; but he was pretty unappealing onstage. and the second album would've been so much better without him. i guess ms. gudmundsdottir figured that out as well. >Hah. I saw Del La Soul open for Living Colour in 1988 (at The Ritz >incidentally) and no one at all was paying attention to them. I was >upstairs and noticed them on stage doing the homeboy prance around >with the arms out then folded then out and folded type thing. Kinda >sad, actually. yeah. when i saw living colour it was just about the time that they were starting to play 'cult of personality' on the radio. we were pretty suprised that they were the opening act for the godfathers. it was awesome. a lot of folks left after vernon and the boys and missed a really kick-ass set from the godfathers. unforgettable. ken "i'll never forget what's his name" the kenster ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:43:01 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s At 04:10 PM 11/20/2002 -0500, Stewart C. Russell wrote: >Jason S. Miller wrote: >> >> I own a shameful 27% of the listed records > >That's 300% better than me, then. > >And there was nothing from The B-52's. I guess it was a flat decade for them. Miles came back: >This does remind me that I've never added the B-52's to my own >lists. Wasn't WILD PLANET a 1980 relase? If so, it'd be #26 of the year, >and it was a very strong year indeedy. I'll have to put COSMIC THING in at >the lofty perch of #6 for 1989 -- it benefits from a weak year, but it is a >damn fine record, more mature and wise than I ever expected from them. >None of their other '80s records would track very highly for me. I've >owned MESOPOTAMIA at some point; never bought WHAMMY or BOUNCING OFF THE >SATELLITES... unless you want to count PARTY MIX, I think that's all the >B-52's albums there are in the decade. And that's all but two of them, >period, not counting compilations. I saw the B-52's in the Spring of 1982 on the Mesopotamia tour at the Michigan Theatre in downtown Detroit. What a great show. We were in the balcony and everybody was up and dancing the whole balcony seemed to actually be shaking! Wild Planet did come out in 1980. 1980 was a great year, # 26 seams about right. I checked out Christgau's Pazz and Jop poll and it didn't register in the Deans list or the Critics list. Odly, Mesopotamia shows up in 1982 at # 25 and Whammy! at # 15 in 1983 on the Deans list. So much for Robert Christgau, although I did buy many albums from 1983-85 based on the Pazz and Jop lists from 1982-84. Both Lou Reed's The Blue Mask and Richard and Linda Thompson's Shoot Out the Lights show up very high on both lists for 1982. Which backs up my beef on their ommission from Pitchfork's 1980's Top 100. Christgau had Murmur 15 spots lower than Whammy and # 29 in 1983. Whoa, I don't think he got that one right. Michael NP Screaming Tree Sweet Oblivion (feeling grungy on a Wednesday afternoon) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:00:16 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: gigs -- repeat performances I really don't get out much & have seen pretty few bands total relative to folks here. Oddly, the bands I've seen the most are dinky local bands in favorite bars. In the upper reaches of them is the dividing line between between a bunch of fun guys/girls & memorable acts. In terms of DC acts, this involves the Insect Surfers the Nighthawks the Slickee Boys Betty the Urban Verbs Tommy Keene Celtic Thunder Bill Kirchen non-local acts that almost seemed local once-- the Fleshtones the Lyres I've seen the Dead 6 times, Robyn 5 (incl. solo, SBs 1986 or 7 at 9:30 club). Of national acts, Jonathan Richman may top the list w/ 7. I could easily see him every couple of months if he was local, but that would be the limit. At that point you'd have to start seeing him have an occasional bad nite, & w/ someone as personal as Richman, a bad nite could be more painful than just bad music. My main club-going period was 1980-84, & I saw a bunch of great bands at 9:30 club w/out knowing about them before hand-- REM, Gang of Four, Polyrock, Dream Syndicate, Feelies. A lot of wows there. Oh, and I've seen Devo an embarassing four times. Not too crazy about their records, but the shows were a blast! Somehow I've only caught Taj Mahal four times. I could see him every weekend. I could of course see Robyn every weekend if he was at the same level he's at on the tours. I wonder how he'd do working as the house act somewhere ... Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:34:13 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: divers alarums >The Boatman's Call is pretty easy to take. It's nowhere near as intense >as Murder Ballads or Tender Prey. All this talk about Nick Cave brings up >one of my pet peeves. When is Wings of Desire going to be released as a DVD? >Nick and the Bad Seeds perform The Carney and From Her to Eternity in WOD. >WOD is one of my favorite movies. Mine too - an excellent movie. Listening to Nick's thoughts immediately before they rip into a song is pretty funny too "I'm NOT going to do this song...I'm NOT..." The Good Son is also a reasonable "in" to Nick's music, although NC&TBS are one of the few artists where I've considered the "Best of" album a good enough selection to name it as a best place to start. >In college my boyfriend's suite-mate used to constantly blast out the >Spinners, who were then in their heyday. [...] It >was disco and I was firmly in the "I hate disco" camp. Years later I heard >some of it again and realized I absolutely loved it. I loved the silky >harmonies and I-dont-know-what-to-call -it honey of the lead singer's voice. now this has thoroughly confused me. The Spinners I recall were a tongue-in-cheek folk group, and I can't imagine them ever doing anything that came close to disco. Actually, I've just realised that my "what was that?" gigs list should have included Split Enz on their "Conflicting Emotions" tour back in about '83 or '84. Particularly the song "Working up an appetite", which ended up with a guest drummer on drums (maybe this was just after Paul Hester joined the band?), Noel Crombie on percussion, Eddie Rayner on synth drums, Neil Finn on tom-toms, Nigel Griggs still on bass, and Tim Finn basically going mental, while singing at the same time. >8/26/93 Hothouse Flowers, Ziggy Marley & Midnight Oil, Carrowinds Palladium >(NC) >Upgraded my seats, sat next to friends of HHF and got invited to the post show >party, should have been killed twice on the drive back to Charlotte, got >directions from a male prostitute, was pulled over by the cops while utterly >out of my mind, and woke up alone in the Presidential Suite of a hotel I >didn't check into. When my wife asked how the show was, I really had to tell >her I had no idea... I think we need more of this story... >"Marc Holden" > >Most times seen (these include in store appearances): >[...] > >dozen best shows I've seen (chronological order, too hard to rank) >[...] Don't get me wrong Marc, I mean this in the nicest possible way, but - I hate you :) - --- Re: beak - it seems I was misremembering, or whatever the word is. According to the Oxford dictionary of Modern Slang, it does indeed mean a judge, or a headmaster - not that it makes that muich difference to my interpretation of the lyric (a jailer with a judge and informers). The ODofMS gives no definite derivation ("but probably thieves' cant"). I suspect it's either from the idea of sticking your nose into other people's business, or from some costume magistrates might have worn in times past. James PS - oh, and interesting call, whoever suggested Scary Mosters was about the fashion industry. It's possible, though I'm not yet fully convinced. PPS - 26 of those 100 top 80s albums. But perhaps the fact that I don't like either the Pixies or the Fall counted against me. James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:40:02 -0500 From: dances with virgos Subject: reap allstar news +w ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:49:00 -0800 (PST) From: drew Subject: electric barbarella > From: "Rex.Broome" > Talk (??). The ommissions are one thing, but the inclusion of Duran Duran > in any form is absolutely inexcusable... if you throw open the door to music > whose primary value is nostalgia, it really skews the whole exercise, eh? Oh, like the primary value of Psionic Psunspot isn't nostalgia? There isn't a bad song on Rio. Seriously. Some of the lyrics almost sound intelligent. > From: Miles Goosens > > My feelings about the Sugarcubes were always "love Bjork, hate > Einar." Thankfully Bjork's solo career relieved me of this problem. Correct. I used to think of it as a sort of B-52s type situation, except that over the years I've come to appreciate Fred Schneider more (though not his solo albums as such) and the virtues of Kate & Cindy qua Kate & Cindy less. > From: "Mike Wells" > > Michael "and where's Hall & Oates, while we're at it?" Wells On the Grand Theft Auto: Vice City soundtrack, of course. I hate them slightly less than I did when they were making hits, but only because distance breeds ease. > From: Miles Goosens > > Miles "liked RIO fine for glossy Roxy ripoff but > not enough to put on even the top 200 '80s albums" Goosens I loved Duran Duran for quite a while, which should surprise no one. However, my favorite Duran Duran album is So Red The Rose, which is actually by Arcadia. Also, let's make sure not to confuse love with respect. The bands/musicians I've never seen live and wish I could would have at the top of the list the Cure, Kate Bush, and Butlerian Suede. The Smiths don't top the list only because I have seen Morrissey, which dulls the pain slightly. - -- drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:55:28 -0800 From: "Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" Subject: Spinners James Dignan wrote: >>In college my boyfriend's suite-mate used to constantly blast out the >>Spinners, who were then in their heyday. [...] It was disco and I was >>firmly in the "I hate disco" camp. Years later I heard some of it again >>and realized I absolutely loved it. I loved the silky harmonies and >>I-dont-know-what-to-call -it honey of the lead singer's voice. > >now this has thoroughly confused me. The Spinners I recall were a tongue->in-cheek folk group, and I can't imagine them ever doing anything that came >close to disco. That's a different group entirely. I think the Spinners were known internationally as the Detroit Spinners. In the 60's they were a third tier Motown group but in the 70's they left Motown and had big hits with that smooth Philadelphia Soul sound. Their hits included: Could It Be I'm Falling in Love, It's a Shame, I'll Be Around, One of a Kind Love Affair, Living a Little Laughing a Little, Then Came You (w/ Dionne Warwick), Ghetto Child, and The Rubberband Man. Really great stuff all around. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:58:48 -0800 From: "Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" Subject: RE: reap >allstar news >url: http://cdnow.com/allstararticle/fid=345453 Maybe this is related to Amazon buying up CDNOW? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:58:13 -0800 From: Eb Subject: concerts/80s >Michael: >Also it looks like once again Thin White Rope are stuck holding the bag as the greatest friggin' band that nobody cares about. You wrote some other things I didn't agree with at all, but *goddamn right* on the above. Rex, on Cave and Waits: >I like both, but I don't find them too closely related. However, I have >observed a very consistent overlap in their fan bases. I think it has >something to do with their mutual omnipresence on soundtracks for late '80's/early '90's arthouse films. Oh, there's definitely more conceptual overlap than that. Morose imagery. Literary influences. Perverse embrace of "seediness." Downbeat, underground-sounding music, but with heavy remnants of traditional folk/blues roots. Cabaret, torchy. Piano. The large intersection of the Cave/Waits fanbases is totally feasible and expected to me. >Quail: >2 Blues Traveler >1 Spin Doctors >1 Bruce Hornsby Boy, going to all those Phish/Dead shows means you had to put up with some pretty hideous opening bands, eh? And I don't even want to *know* why you saw the Oak Ridge Boys. ;) >2 Neutral Milk Hotel You know, I was thinking I had seen NMH only once...but when tabulating my previously posted concert list, I was surprised to discover that I had seen 'em twice. There were a few examples of this. Like, I never would have remembered that I saw the Cranes twice, either. >1 Procol Harum Whew...that must have been a hoary affair. The twenty remaining artists which I most yearn to see in concert, which still seem feasible (in approximate order): Springsteen/E Street Band, Black Box Recorder (looking less and less feasible), Queens of the Stone Age, Belle & Sebastian, Paul McCartney (though jeez, he may be in sad shape by the time he decides to tour again), the Strokes, Karl Wallinger/World Party (not feasible anymore?), Built to Spill, Yes, Tortoise, Sarah McLachlan, Mark Lanegan (solo), Cheap Trick, Matthew Jay, Great Lakes, Mull Historical Society (if they'll ever tour the States?), Mercury Rev, the Magnetic Fields, Bryan Ferry and Prince. Missed chances to see Springsteen, QOTSA, McCartney, the Strokes, Yes and Cheap Trick in recent months, very sorry to say. And it looks like I may be missing this week's Ferry shows, as well. I almost posted that Pitchfork/80s link last night...glad I didn't bother. I own 59 of them myself, and probably have three or four others on my shopping list. However, that list is *so* heavily skewed toward whiteboy indie-rock that I have a hard time granting it much weight. But as sort of a personal validation of my own skewed interests, it was fun to read. Regarding items from my own collection, the most notable omission was probably the Pretenders' debut, which I think is pretty mandatory for *anyone's* best-of-80s master list. King of America, Security/III, The Dreaming, Blood & Chocolate, Our Beloved Revolutionary Sweetheart, If I Should Fall From Grace With God, In My Tribe, Life's Rich Pageant, Franks Wild Years...ah well.... Eb, who really liked the Spinners' "Rubberband Man" when he was a wee lad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:04:14 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Cave / Bad '80's, Bad '90's (100% cranky) Drew on where to enter the Cave: >>I started with Let Love In, which might or might not have been a great idea but >>which ended up working just fine for me. That's it, right there, in terms of accessibilty without losing the intensity. Seems like the early Cave persona was still intact, yet the overall sound is a little less noisy (though no less driving). Now, some may find "Murder Ballads" rough going, but it does a great job of contextualizing Cave's concerns and roots; plus, it has some songs which'll probably be familiar to anyone interested in the darker, creepier corners of roots music, so that might make it a better starting place than it initially seemed-- interest in that kinda stuff has blossomed since it was released. Plus it gots Kylie Minogue. ___________________ Michael K: >> [name of 80's act which I will omit here so as to avoid starting that particular >>debate] Aw, come on, name names, or we're missing out on some of what ya mean. At least let on if said act has a name composed of intials and/or numerals... __________ Ken: >>i defend the inclusion of 'rio'. it transcends nostalgia and encapsulates the >>eighties better than most of the albums on this list. sounds like you've never >>heard it rex. Oh, I've heard it. Maybe it encapsulates the '80's, but not the '80's I want to remember. I'm always surprised when I run into people who defend Duran Duran. I never think of them as a real band. More like a toy, or a training band which was there to teach you how to learn the name of the bass player, and the keyboard player, etc. until you graduated to bands where the musicians actually played their respective instruments (which maybe D/D did but their sound was so generic that I doubted it). That's probably unfair, but it was my impression as a 13 year old who hated MTV and had grown up around working bands. I wouldn't hit my "teen-angst/rock-and-roll-saved-my-life" period for another three years or so, at which point "Hungry Like the Wolf" didn't have the emotional resonance I was lookin' for. >>Ever seen Sugar? :) Yup. Hands down the loudest music ever produced in my presence. Wish I could comment on the relative volume of the Huskers... __________ Quail: >>And also, I forgot to place the Smashing Pumpkins in my list of Best Shows >>Ever Well, I seem to be on a negative streak today, but must admit I didn't actively *hate* the Pumpkins until I saw them live (same Lollapalooza where I first saw Nick Cave). I had considered them average Jane's/Pixies knockoffs until that show. The mental process went like this: "Hmmm, Corgan is a much better guitarist than I would have guessed." "Yikes, Corgan is a much worse vocalist than I ever could have imagined!" "Why is James Iha in this band?" "Wow, this spoken word bit in the middle of the song sure is a pretentious load of shit, and was that an actual Jim Morrison imitation?" "Did he really just spend three minutes bitching about hearing his song on the radio with the guitar solo edited down?" "I'm too far away to hit him with a rock, aren't I?" Anyhow, it was a real buzz-kill after the Beastie Boys' set. - -Rex "God is empty just like... no I can't say it with a straight face" Broome PS to end on a positive note and ammend my own "Best Live Shows" list: Ride, the Palace, 1992. Go ahead and laugh; it were great. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:12:51 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Cave / Bad '80's, Bad '90's (100% cranky) On Wed, Nov 20, 2002, Rex.Broome wrote: > Quail: > >>And also, I forgot to place the Smashing Pumpkins in my list of Best Shows > >>Ever > > Well, I seem to be on a negative streak today, but must admit I didn't > actively *hate* the Pumpkins until I saw them live (same Lollapalooza where > I first saw Nick Cave). I had considered them average Jane's/Pixies > knockoffs until that show. The mental process went like this: I'll admit it. I fucking hate the Smashing Pumpkins. I find Billy Corgan's voice not unlike scratching fingernails down a blackboard. Much later on, I figured out that I might actually have liked them if someone else were singing. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:17:36 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Cave / Bad '80's, Bad '90's (100% cranky) on 11/20/02 4:12 PM, Ken Weingold at hazmat@hellrot.org wrote: > I'll admit it. I fucking hate the Smashing Pumpkins. I find Billy > Corgan's voice not unlike scratching fingernails down a blackboard. > Much later on, I figured out that I might actually have liked them if > someone else were singing. > Alleluia Brother! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:25:15 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s Quoting "Jason S. Miller" : > Pitchfork has compiled their list of the best records of the 80s. > > http://pitchforkmedia.com/top/80s/ Hmmm...let's see: I don't actually own the Minor Threat album listed, but I have the CD that has their entire output, so I guess that counts. Beyond that: Gang of Four _Songs of the Free_, Cocteau Twins _Treasure_, Mekons _Rock'n'Roll_, Meat Puppets _II_, Bowie _Scary Monsters_, Kate Bush _Hounds of Love_, X _Los Angeles_, Jane's Addiction _Nothing's Shocking_ (not that I listen to it anymore); Spacemen 3 _Playing with Fire_, Police _Ghost in the Machine_ (no way! about half this is utterly forgettable. I can't say more, because I've forgotten the tunes...), Paul Simon _Graceland_, The Fall _Perverted by Language_, Cocteau Twins _Blue Bell Knoll_ (*two* Twins albums?!?), Husker Du _New Day Rising_; TMBG _Lincoln_, The Smiths _Strangeways..._, The dB's _Stands for Decibels_ (yes!), Mekons _Fear & Whiskey_, Meat Puppets _Up on the Sun_, Replacements _Pleased to Meet Me_, Elvis Costello & the Attractions _Trust_, The Feelies _Crazy Rhythms_; Talking Heads _Stop Making Sense_, The Pogues _Rum, Sodomy & the Lash_, The Dukes of Stratosphear (actually, I have the CD compilation containing this one & the EP), some band called "The Soft Boys" with something entitled _Underwater Moonlight_, R.E.M. _Reckoning_, Springsteen _Nebraska_, Elvis Costello & the Attractions (and why aren't they billing these albums correctly? _Imperial Bedroom_; Pixies _Come on Pilgrim_, King Crimson _Discipline_, Police _Synchronicity_ (has aged horribly), Mission of Burma _Signals, Calls & Marches_ (hasn't aged a bit - still incredibly powerful & beautiful), Spacemen 3 _The Perfect Prescription_, Mission of Burma _Vs._, R.E.M. _Document_, XTC _English Settlement_; Prince _Sign o' the Times_, Kraftwerk_ Computer World_, Cowboy Junkies _Trinity Session_, Dinosaur Jr. _You're Living All Over Me_, Stone Roses (at least I think that cassette's still around the house), The Cure _Disintegration_; Replacements _Tim_, Violent Femmes s/t, Talk Talk _Spirit of Eden_ (which is too a fine album), The Fall _Hex Enduction Hour_, Husker Du _Zen Arcade_, Sonic Youth _EVOL_, U2 _Joshua Tree_, 'Mats _Let it Be_, New Order _Power Corruption & Lies_; EC _Get Happy!!!_, Black Flag _Damaged_, Gang of Four _Solid Gold_, JAMC _Psychocandy_, MBV _Isn't Anything_, Eno/Byrne _My Life in the Bush of Ghosts_, PIL _Second Edition_, Minutemen _Double Nickels..._, Galaxie 500 _On Fire_, XTC _Skylarking_, Sonic Youth _Sister_; The Fall _This Nation's Saving Grace_, Prince & the Revolution _Purple Rain_, Tom Waits _Swordfishtrombones_, Joy Division _Closer_, Public Enemy _It Takes a Nation of Millions..._, Tom Waits _Raindogs_, Pixies _Surfer Rosa_; The Smiths _The Queen Is Dead_, R.E.M. _Murmur_, Pixies _Doolittle_, Beastie Boys _Paul's Boutique_, Talking Heads _Remain in Light_, Sonic Youth _Daydream Nation_. That's about 78 of 'em. Clearly I didn't buy much rap or mainstream music - but this list really should shut up people who insist there wasn't much good music during the eighties, or that it all dates horribly. ..Jeff, born in '61, so what did you expect...? J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: we make everything you need, and you need everything we make ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:35:56 -0600 From: "Bret" Subject: RE: Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s "this list really should shut up people who insist there wasn't much good music during the eighties, or that it all dates horribly". Exactly. I clocked in at 62% including a few of the rap records. - -b ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:37:30 -0600 From: "Bret" Subject: RE: Cave / Bad '80's, Bad '90's (100% cranky) > I'll admit it. I fucking hate the Smashing Pumpkins. I find Billy > Corgan's voice not unlike scratching fingernails down a blackboard. > Much later on, I figured out that I might actually have liked them if > someone else were singing. > Alleluia Brother! Bingo. That's 3 with obvious ears. - -b ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:43:22 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s Miles Goosens wrote: > > never bought WHAMMY or BOUNCING OFF THE SATELLITES call me strange, but those two are my favourite 52's albums. Most people think the last one's a stinker, but I'm very fond of it. I wish I still had my original vinyl of Fred Schneider and The Shake Society. One to dance to make the needle jump. Less said about "Just Fred", the better, though his demented thrash-punk pseudo-Nilsson is worth one listen. I saw them, once, in 1992, with Julee Cruise standing in for Cindy on the Good Stuff tour. The t-shirt only disintegrated this summer. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:45:43 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s on 11/20/02 4:43 PM, Stewart C. Russell at scruss@sympatico.ca wrote: > I wish I still had my original vinyl of Fred Schneider and The Shake Society. I've still got mine! - -t "monster in my pants" c ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:47:54 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: concerts/80s >From: Eb >Subject: concerts/80s >Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:58:13 -0800 > >>Michael: >>Also it looks like once again Thin White Rope are stuck holding the bag as >the greatest friggin' band that nobody cares about. Eb: >You wrote some other things I didn't agree with at all, but *goddamn right* >on the above. I must agree, I saw them twice @ Maxwell's in the late 80's. Maybe they had to be seen live. I think Guy Keyser's voice turned people off. Max _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #383 ********************************