From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #382 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, November 20 2002 Volume 11 : Number 382 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s, and CDDB ["Brian Huddell" ] Cave/Waits; Out of Time (& Space); '80's list ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: into the cave [Ken Weingold ] Break like the Hawkwind ["Rex.Broome" ] top 100 [drew ] Re: Fishing for Pumpkins ["Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" ] Re: Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s [Miles Goosens ] Re: sing blue silver [Ken Weingold ] Re: sing blue silver [Miles Goosens ] Re: sing blue silver ["Mike Wells" ] Re: sing blue silver [Miles Goosens ] Re: sing blue silver [Ken Weingold ] Re: sing bjork silver ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Beak ["Montauk Daisy" ] Re: Beak [Miles Goosens ] Re: Fishing for Pumpkins [Miles Goosens ] Re: Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s ["Stewart C. R] Quail giglist [The Great Quail ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:21:58 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s, and CDDB > Plus they finally added the option to prefix filenames with the track > number. I don't know of any Windows MP3 player that can sort by ID > tags besides I think MusicMatch. I still cannot believe that WinAmp > can't. Winamp3 can, fwiw. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:27:58 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s, and CDDB On Wed, Nov 20, 2002, Brian Huddell wrote: > > Plus they finally added the option to prefix filenames with the track > > number. I don't know of any Windows MP3 player that can sort by ID > > tags besides I think MusicMatch. I still cannot believe that WinAmp > > can't. > > Winamp3 can, fwiw. Thanks. It's about time. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:24:26 -0800 (PST) From: drew Subject: into the cave > From: "Rex.Broome" > But "Personal Jesus" and "Hurt", to me, are not just facile and > bad as songwriting goes, but also overplayed and instantly recognizable. I have to agree with all of that. I might feel differently if I ever hear Cash's covers, but I find it hard to believe he could transcend that source material. Hell, why not have him tackle "Too Much" by the Spice Girls? (Note: I like that song.) > From: "Bachman, Michael" > > Ken retorted: > >Last time I saw him I wanted to get drinks afterwards. My friend > >wanted to go home and masturbate. :) Now that's wacky. Though I will say that young Nick was a major hottie from what I can tell. > The Boatman's Call is pretty easy to take. It's nowhere near as intense > as Murder Ballads or Tender Prey. Well, that's true and all, but it's also not likely to give a newbie a particularly representative impression, nor is it actually all that great (though I definitely like it better now than when I first heard it). I started with Let Love In, which might or might not have been a great idea but which ended up working just fine for me. - -- drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:28:40 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Cave/Waits; Out of Time (& Space); '80's list Drew: >>I like Nick Cave and I'm indifferent (at best) to Tom Waits, so it's not a sure >>thing you'll hate both of them. I like both, but I don't find them too closely related. However, I have observed a very consistent overlap in their fan bases. I think it has something to do with their mutual omnipresence on soundtracks for late '80's/early '90's arthouse films. ___________________ Miles: >>Are you sure we're talking about 10/87? 10,000 Maniacs opened this show Oh hell, you're right-- it was the '89 tour. Seeing as how they opened with a song called "Pop Song 89". Duh. And yeah, it was Morgantown. Never saw a show in Charleston. Wow, that's embarassing. It's so funny how, out of context, I see all locations in WV as the same, since they come up so rarely in my life these days. And to think I was a Knight of the Golden Horseshoe! In my defense I did start watching "Alias" purely because I found out my homegirl Jennifer Garner is from Charleston. Wow, that list of opening acts... that still brings the hurt thirteen years later. At least two of those bands did notably suffer the "opening for REM curse" and disband shortly thereafter... ____________ Jeffrey FF: >>Show up with a guitar and an amp, walk on stage, and you too can be a member >>of the Fall. Wow, wish I'd tried that. Although given the model of my current 6-string it's entirely possible MES would've mistaken me for Brix and I could've been in for a serious beating. Kay: >>Anyway, I gather the band that now calls itself the Spinners dosnt have the >>same line-up as those 70's glory days did. Wonder if Craig Scanlon and Brix Smith are in the Spinners now? ________________ "Best of the '80's" list: I check in with 69 of these, 70 if you count the vinyl copy of "Thriller" I married into. Weird list as usual. Some individual manias seem to have colored it even more than you'd expect. Someone has a deeper than usual love for the Fall and Mission of Burma than you'd usually see (and of which I heartily approve) but I can't quite suss the multiple entries for Talk Talk (??). The ommissions are one thing, but the inclusion of Duran Duran in any form is absolutely inexcusable... if you throw open the door to music whose primary value is nostalgia, it really skews the whole exercise, eh? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:34:04 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Gigs, we got gigs... On Tue, Nov 19, 2002, Michael Wells wrote: > 12/21/84 Iron Maiden, Rosemont Horizon (Chicago) > The first of their two visit for the "Powerslave" tour, and it was > indescribable. The most powerful touring amplification system made at the > time, about a jillion watts or something, full stage lightshow/theatrics, and > the nonstop juggernaut of Maiden live. Seriously loud and with 'bomber' Harris > on form, the rhythm had our seats vibrating. God, I want to go again. Wasn't Iron Maiden, at least back then, known to have the loudest PA system in the world? I got to see them for the first time on the Somewhere in Time tour in 1987 at Madison Square Garden in NY. The PA system is IMMENSE. Great show. But of all the Maiden shows I've seen, the most memorable was I think in 1991 or 1992 when they did the club tour to warm up the new guitarist, Janick Gers. The NY show was at the (new) Ritz. Absolutely magical. A band that big and powerful in such a small venue. It was like stuffing a 400hp engine into a Civic. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:36:04 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: into the cave On Wed, Nov 20, 2002, drew wrote: > > The Boatman's Call is pretty easy to take. It's nowhere near as intense > > as Murder Ballads or Tender Prey. > > Well, that's true and all, but it's also not likely to give > a newbie a particularly representative impression, nor is it > actually all that great (though I definitely like it better > now than when I first heard it). I started with Let Love In, > which might or might not have been a great idea but which > ended up working just fine for me. At this point I would think Live Seeds a great intro. As close to the energy of a live show as you'll get on CD, I suppose. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:48:01 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Break like the Hawkwind Given all the talk of Hawkwind lately, it occurs to me that I don't think I've ever actually heard them... just a couple of covers of "Silver Machine"... I could use an honest assessment of the likelihood that I would like them at all. I have a pretty strong aversion to most prog rock and am bored to tears by metal of any flavor... I have a feeling that severely diminishes the probability that I'd dig them. Am I right? - -Rex "I feel a Richard Thompson-buying frenzy comin' on" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:07:07 -0800 (PST) From: drew Subject: top 100 > From: "Jason S. Miller" > > Pitchfork has compiled their list of the best records of the 80s. Yep. Not the worst list of its type I've ever seen, but I was pretty annoyed by the repetition; I find it hard to believe that we needed three Fall records on that list (but then according to me we don't need any), for example. > I own a shameful 27% of the listed records. Notable omissions (to me, at > least): > > Love and Rockets Express (or Earth, Sun, Moon) Seriously? Wow, those are the records I listen to the least. > Ministry Land of Rape and Honey (responsible for a whole lot > of dreck which followed but you can't argue with > its influence) Agreed. > No Hitchcock, but Underwater Moonlight checked in at #65. How funny -- somehow I missed #70 - #61 entirely. I like the Dukes of Stratosphear all right, but I don't really think Psionic Psunspot belonged on this list for a variety of reasons. It was also kind of weird to see English Settlement here instead of, say, Black Sea. Whatever. > No Depeche Mode > (I don't care for them but I'd expect them on such a list). I used to love them, then I hated them, now I love them all over again. And it's absurd not to see them on this list. But then that's what these lists are for: being absurd. I guess the pick would be Some Great Reward or maybe Black Celebration. > From: Miles Goosens > > ('cept leave the THRILLER in the store, please, Yeah, I thought that too until I heard the whole thing. Wow. Anyway, clearly the list is biased toward the sort of music that's generally hot at Pitchfork, and toward the genealogy of that music rather than a more broadly historical view (that would include a number of artists responsible for setting the template for today's hip-hop teenybop pop, for example). I can live with that, and I might even have to check out some of the albums I don't have. Turns out I've only got 32 of them, or 36 if you count burned CDs I don't listen to enough to buy. - -- drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:53:28 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: Re: Fishing for Pumpkins WOW. That sort of thing is exactly the reason I got into RH. At 10:24 AM -0600 11/20/02, Mike Wells transmitted: >For the enjoyment of all, a tasty Robyn expostulation from the Soft Boys in >Chicago 10-28-02. Spoken slowly, with little noodles of guitar filler from >Kim >in the background... > > >"Twilight over the lakeshore >In the distance, the incessant raga of the pumpkins >The serenade from so far out on the lake >That the echo is heard before the sound itself > >Are you good, boy? >Are you a good girl? >Do you love your mother? >Do you love your pumpkin? > >By the edge of the lake >Two bus drivers pull up >And as men will do >They take out their fishing rods > >But the first pumpkins that come into shore >Dont glide over the water >They come in under the water > >This evening the lake is very, very still >And the bus drivers can see >Even as they dangle their hooks >Lower their hooks into limpid depths of the lake >That each one of them will hook a pumpkin >And when they take their pumpkin home >It will become >(husky voice)their bride" > >Michael "wake up, Capt Borovski!" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:07:06 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: Re: Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s [Personal to Seth: Check out this 'best of the 80s' list... extremely interesting.] Hmm. They included Scary Monsters and Underwater Moonlight. I thought everyone knew that the '70s didn't end until 1981. I guess if you're gonna make that leap, I actually own 10 of these albums, and can pick out a handful more I'd like to own. Pretty impressive, considering I'm one of those "heads up their ass" folks, as somebody described it, and fully expected it to entirely be the standard rundown of '80s revisionism... you know, like describing [name of 80's act which I will omit here so as to avoid starting that particular debate] in lofty, glowing terms instead of calling it slickly produced lowest-common-denominator mass-appeal commercialized crap. But overall this list is definitely a good survey of good music made in that bleak decade, even including some that nice ones that weren't commercially successful. Mekons "Rock And Roll" made the list, they picked Paul's Boutique as #3, and they were perspicacious enough to include both "English Settlement" AND "Skylarking" - I like these guys. Although I'm disappointed they didn't include "Let Love Rule" - yes, I know what Lenny Kravitz subsequently turned into, but when they guy was just a kid recording in his basement studio he did really good stuff, "Let Love Rule" is a really good, even great, album, even if it was partially derivative. Also it looks like once again Thin White Rope are stuck holding the bag as the greatest friggin' band that nobody cares about. The song "Down In The Desert" alone puts them in the '80s top 10 in my book. MIke ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:15:51 -0800 From: "Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" Subject: RE: Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s I own 55 of them including 9 of the top ten. I am kind of surprised as I didn't expect my taste to line up that well with pitchfork's. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:23:18 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: sing blue silver >And Rex and I got stuck with &*@&%$! Indigo Girls! Drivin' and Cryin' is the *only* act on the above list that I might rank below Indigo Girls, but not by much if at all. i had no idea that there was that much variety on this tour. a friend of mine had said that robyn opened for rem in texas; so i was extra-psyched to go to the show since i hadn't seen him yet. imagine my dismay when the indigo girls turned up on stage. i was so miffed that i made a conscious decision *not* to like them. it held for a number of years; but eventually i opened up to them. still pisses me off, though. >So what are some of the bands that live completely blew you away? The >bands that have left you speechless, thinking "What the fuck did I >just experience?" my first throwing muses show in 87 when i was a wee freshman changed my life. similar swoons: nick cave & the bad seeds 02 pj harvey 96 godfathers/living color 89 sugarcubes 89 paul simon 87 peter gabriel 87 >Pitchfork has compiled their list of the best records of the 80s. > > http://pitchforkmedia.com/top/80s/ > The list is flawed in my book without The Blue Mask or Shoot >Out The Lights. Throwing Muses first should also be on the list >as well as The Go-Betweens "Before Hollywood". don't have that go-betweens; but i agree on the other three. lou's 'new york' is a notable omission as well as peter gabriel's 'so'. also 'element of light', 'crocodiles', the eponymous pretenders, 'avalon', 'life's too good', 'wild gift', 'entertainment!', i just can't stop it', and 'sandanista!', if not 'london calling'. i definitely would've made some different choices. i wonder how they made theirs...quality or influence? i can count on these types of lists to provide me with some new bands. intrigued by this heat and the television personalities. i defend the inclusion of 'rio'. it transcends nostalgia and encapsulates the eighties better than most of the albums on this list. sounds like you've never heard it rex. i've got 72%. ken "welcome to the pleasuredome" the kenster ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:28:30 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s At 11:07 AM 11/20/2002 -0800, Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat wrote: >handful more I'd like to own. Pretty impressive, considering I'm one of >those "heads up their ass" folks, as somebody described it, and fully >expected it to entirely be the standard rundown of '80s revisionism... you >know, like describing [name of 80's act which I will omit here so as to >avoid starting that particular debate] in lofty, glowing terms instead of >calling it slickly produced lowest-common-denominator mass-appeal >commercialized crap. But see, my '80s wasn't "lowest-common-denominator mass-appeal commercialized crap," it was 77 of those 100 records on that list, and lots more than that (see http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles/mkgbest.html for exactly what - -- Eb, I fully expect some more date corrections, and thanks for the ones you gave me before). My junior high and high school years (1979-85) of course produced a lot of exposure to the folks I think you're talking about, but my sonic life was lived primarily through my stereo and walkman. If your argument has to do with top 40 as the arbiter of cheesiness, no decade is safe, even the one that features lots of Beatles songs in it. Or maybe I'm just doing special pleading because these were my formative musical years. Or because I'm the one who said the "head up his or her ass" comment. Anyway, I don't think of the '80s as musically cheesy at all, even if I do worry that Melissa and I sitting in front-row seats eating brie at the first Robyn Hitcock U.S. gig of 1997 inspired the song "Cheese Alarm." (His then-current cheese song was "I Cheese You," so you can see why I'm really serious about this.) later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:34:53 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Concert Cat-Jumps Hmmm, the absolute best shows? Let's see... I'm gonna leave out the various Rock Armada/Grant Lee Hitchcock/Soft Boys shows over the past few years. The Seattle shows were tops and probably the most fun I've had in a long while. In no particular order: RH&E at TT The Bear's Place, Cambridge, MA. 1989 An unscheduled stop only announced the night before following their set at Berklee School of Music. Robyn's worn out from the tour and complains all night about how he's "just a middle aged man with a beer gut" (He's 37). Plays a bunch of covers including my first exposure to "Waterloo Sunset". I'm dead center in front watching Robyn in the midst of his catharsis. Roxy Music at Radio City Music Hall, NYC, 1983 Elegant band in an elegant setting in the greatest city in the world. Utopia at the Commack Arena, Long Island, 1977 All I knew was that it was Todd Rundgren's band. All night I'm wondering when they'll play "Hello It's Me". Meanwhile, my completely stoned 14 year old brain is freaking out at the sound and theatrics. Some stupid band called Cheap Trick opens. Lollapalooza 1 at Shoreline Amphitheater, Mt. View, CA, 1991 I had just moved to California a few months before. Beautiful weather, lots of sunshine and a completely kick-ass set by Jane's Addiction to top off the day. I'll never forget it. Butthole Surfers at The Paradise, Boston, MA, 1989 Really no need to explain... Nick Lowe and Paul Carrack at Toad's Place, New Haven, CT, 1982 I was soooo into Nick Lowe around this time. Great set, even though it mostly revolved around pimping Paul Carrack's "Suburban Voodoo" album. Still, they did his two best known songs: "Tempted" and "How Long Has This Been Going On?" Also, "...Peace Love and Understanding" and "I Knew The Bride" Plus, Martin Belmont was in the band - the closest I came to seeing my beloved Graham Parker & The Rumour. Oh, and finally... Lene Lovich at Toad's Place, New Haven, CT, 1982 Wow that was fun. She was a fantastic performer - dancing all over the place, playing trumpet on a few songs... New Wave Nirvana!! That's enough for now. Thanks for listening. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:46:27 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: sing blue silver On Wed, Nov 20, 2002, Ken Ostrander wrote: > sugarcubes 89 REALLY?!? I saw that tour too, but more to see New Order and PiL. The Sugarcubes bored me to death. Partly because the venue was huge and partly because the guy in the band would not stop talking, and no one could understand his thick accent. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:56:34 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: sing blue silver At 02:46 PM 11/20/2002 -0500, Ken Weingold wrote: >On Wed, Nov 20, 2002, Ken Ostrander wrote: >> sugarcubes 89 > >REALLY?!? I saw that tour too, but more to see New Order and PiL. >The Sugarcubes bored me to death. Partly because the venue was huge >and partly because the guy in the band would not stop talking, and no >one could understand his thick accent. My feelings about the Sugarcubes were always "love Bjork, hate Einar." Thankfully Bjork's solo career relieved me of this problem. Has the Swedish Chef ever met Bjork? This should happen. bjork bjork bjork, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:56:23 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: sing blue silver Rex > I could use an honest assessment of the likelihood that I would like them at > all. I have a pretty strong aversion to most prog rock and am bored to > tears by metal of any flavor... I have a feeling that severely diminishes > the probability that I'd dig them. Am I right? Yes. If that's the case I can hardly imagine a worse band for you. I can send you a copy of 'Space Ritual' if you want something to frighten the children with. ken: > Wasn't Iron Maiden, at least back then, known to have the loudest PA > system in the world? They were, and made a point of making sure we all knew it too. Holy Christ, it was loud. The only louder show I can recall was Deep Purple on the Perfect Strangers tour, where I was in the second to last row of the upper deck in a 16,000 seat hall and my ears STILL rang afterwards. the kenster: > i defend the inclusion of 'rio'. it transcends nostalgia and encapsulates the eighties better than most of the albums on this list. sounds like you've never heard it rex. Seconded, what a great album. And where's "This Beat Goes On/Switchin' To Glide" by The Kings, anyway? Michael "and where's Hall & Oates, while we're at it?" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:06:06 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: sing blue silver At 01:56 PM 11/20/2002 -0600, Mike Wells wrote: >the kenster: >> i defend the inclusion of 'rio'. it transcends nostalgia and encapsulates >the eighties better than most of the albums on this list. sounds like >you've never heard it rex. > >Seconded, what a great album. And where's "This Beat Goes On/Switchin' To >Glide" by The Kings, anyway? > >Michael "and where's Hall & Oates, while we're at it?" Wells I think this is what Mr. Kupietz was really talking about. later, Miles "liked RIO fine for glossy Roxy ripoff but not enough to put on even the top 200 '80s albums" Goosens ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:02:21 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: sing blue silver On Wed, Nov 20, 2002, Mike Wells wrote: > ken: > > Wasn't Iron Maiden, at least back then, known to have the loudest PA > > system in the world? > > They were, and made a point of making sure we all knew it too. Holy Christ, > it was loud. The only louder show I can recall was Deep Purple on the > Perfect Strangers tour, where I was in the second to last row of the upper > deck in a 16,000 seat hall and my ears STILL rang afterwards. Ever seen Sugar? :) I always heard that Husker Du was loud as hell. Sugar made me wonder if anyone came out of a Husker Du show without being permanently deaf. Bob Mould even solo acoustic is loud. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:03:29 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: sing bjork silver > > sugarcubes 89 > >REALLY?!? I saw that tour too, but more to see New Order and PiL. >The Sugarcubes bored me to death. I had a similar reaction to the Sugarcubes on this tour, which I caught at San Diego State. I haaaaaated Bjork for awhile, back when she was in this band - although when she went solo, I did a complete about-face in my opinions of her, and have since gone back and re-discovered the Sugarcubes. De La Soul played when I saw this show, too, and one of their turntables broke down, so the DJ started tossing records out into the crowd like frisbees. I was up pretty close for the first 3 acts, and then moved back aways for New Order. Probably the most vivid memory I have of the show was when PiL first started playing. It was an extremely hot day, and the show was outdoors. Lydon came out in this key-lime green suit and stood at the edge of the stage in a "jesus christ pose," and some guy in the front row shot him in the face with a stream of water from a spray bottle. Heh. Lydon looked down, called the guy a "fucking ass" and started singing. - --Jason "it's 88 degrees here today" Thornton "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:26:34 +0000 From: "Montauk Daisy" Subject: Beak Godwin >But I have no idea of the origin. Partridge, anybody? While I normally eschew anything that smells like work, its hard to resist this one. "Earliest in budge a beak q.v.,i.e in 1610; (Budge a Beak -- to run away, properly from a constable or magistrate: 1610, Rowlands, Martin Mark-all) 1735, John Poulter, Discoveries, A rum Beak; a good Justice (of the Peace). A quare Beak; a bad Justice; ... From Oliver Twist " Why, a beaks a madgstrate. firs recorded US usage 1845. Kay _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:49:33 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Beak At 08:26 PM 11/20/2002 +0000, Montauk Daisy wrote: >Godwin >>But I have no idea of the origin. Partridge, anybody? > >While I normally eschew anything that smells like work, its hard to resist >this one. > >"Earliest in budge a beak q.v.,i.e in 1610; > >(Budge a Beak -- to run away, properly from a constable or magistrate: 1610, >Rowlands, Martin Mark-all) This is probably like when I discovered the word "tony" (as in "tony Mailbu," not Tony the Tiger), only to start seeing it in lots of things I've read before -- I'm sure next time I reread TOM JONES it'll be in there 15 times. Thanks to Kay for being down with OED. But still, why a "beak"? Rhyming? Hat with beakish bill? Anyone? Beeker? Beeker? peckishly, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:14:19 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Fishing for Pumpkins At 09:53 AM 11/20/2002 -0800, Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat wrote: >WOW. That sort of thing is exactly the reason I got into RH. Actually, reading that reminds me of something I always think about Robyn - -- on the page, his stories or lyrics sometimes don't do as much for me (this can be said of a lot of lyricists, however, not just Robyn -- the words *with* the music, that's the trick), but when I actually *see* him live, all the lyrics and all his introductions to the songs and all the other things he says make perfect sense. At the risk of disclaimering myself to death, not that I'm in the camp that thinks Robyn's lyrics are nonsensical, not at all, but there are always a few meanings that seem opaque in print or on record. Yet when I see Robyn saying the words, everything about those images seems logical and perfectly clear. There's just something that "clicks" for me about the words when seeing him live. A layer of gauze removed. Cutting out the middleman. Something like that. I'm serious about inspiring "Cheese Alarm." Fat Americans, eating brie -- yup, that was us. And positioned practically in Robyn's pants pockets (our table abutting the monitors!). Damn the Bluebird Cafe and its food-and-drink minimum purchase policy! (note to Jill: were there a Kinks-related show in our vicinity, we would certainly attend it.) later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:10:00 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s Jason S. Miller wrote: > > I own a shameful 27% of the listed records That's 300% better than me, then. And there was nothing from The B-52's. I guess it was a flat decade for them. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:32:18 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Quail giglist I make no claims to complete accuracy; in fact, I have no idea how many times I9ve seen Robyn, but it9s at least 25, when you factor in the Egyptians and the Soft Boys. Also, this is off the top of my head, so I'm probably missing a few shows; and I am not including Irish traditional bands or Classical of course. (I've seen the Kronos Quartet probably a dozen times....) And also, I forgot to place the Smashing Pumpkins in my list of Best Shows Ever! I saw them the first show after the Big Scandal, they played some three hours in Pittsburgh....amazing. Also, Patti Smith at the first Guinness Fleadh should warrant a mention! 25+ Robyn Hitchcock (in various incarnations, including 4 Soft Boys shows) 16 Grateful Dead 10 Phish 7 Rush 6 Elvis Costello 6 King Crimson 6 U2 6 Yes (in various incarnations) 5 David Bowie 4 Jethro Tull 3 Laurie Anderson 3 Hawkwind 3 Luna 3 Neil Young 2 Blues Traveler 2 Billy Bragg 2 The Cure 2 Einsturzende Neubauten 2 Electric Hellfire Club 2 Emerson Lake & Palmer 2 Robert Fripp 2 Peter Gabriel 2 Ute Lemper 2 Live 2 Shane McGowan and the Popes 2 Neutral Milk Hotel 2 Queensryche 2 REM 2 Patti Smith 2 Paul Simon 2 Jill Sobule 2 Rufus Wainwright 1 Tori Amos 1 Bauhaus 1 The Bears w/ Adrian Belew 1 Belle & Sebastian 1 The Bevis Frond 1 Bjork 1 The Black Crowes 1 Busta Rhymes 1 Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds 1 Dick Dale 1 Danzig 1 Bo Diddley 1 Devo 1 Bob Dylan 1 Bill Bruford's Earthworks 1 The Eels 1 Enon 1 Fairport Convention 1 The Flaming Lips 1 Bruce Hornsby 1 Indigo Girls 1 Iron Maiden 1 Lenny Kravitz 1 Grant Lee 1 Ziggy Marley 1 Metallica 1 Moby 1 Monster Magnet 1 Moody Blues 1 Nine Inch Nails 1 Oak Ridge Boys 1 Page & Plant 1 Tom Petty 1 Pink Floyd 1 Mickey Hart's Planet Drum 1 Porcupine Tree 1 Prick 1 Primus 1 Procol Harum 1 Quasi 1 Radiohead 1 The Rolling Stones 1 Sebadoh 1 Sigur Ros 1 Sky Cries Mary 1 Smashing Pumpkins 1 Snoop Doggy Dogg 1 Social Distortion 1 Sonic Youth 1 Spin Doctors 1 Stereolab 1 Sunshine Blind 1 Superchunk 1 Switchblade Symphony 1 They Might Be Giants 1 Tool 1 The Wailers 1 Wilco 1 X 1 Yo La Tengo 1 Frank Zappa 1 10,000 Maniacs ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #382 ********************************