From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #381 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, November 20 2002 Volume 11 : Number 381 Today's Subjects: ----------------- best. show. ever. ["Carnelian Buddha" ] Moss Elixer won't load in my computer [Ken Weingold ] Moss Elixer - it's the SuperDrive [Ken Weingold ] Re: Moss Elixer - it's the SuperDrive [Eb ] Re: Moss Elixer - it's the SuperDrive [Ken Weingold ] re: Gigs, we got gigs... ["Marc Holden" ] re: Gigs, we got gigs... [Eb ] Re: A Full Hawkwind ["Brian Hoare" ] Re: Eatin' horseshoe crabs spodee odee ["Stewart C. Russell" ] mulit-regional DVDs [Jill Brand ] Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s ["Jason S. Miller"] Re: mulit-regional DVDs [Miles Goosens ] Re: Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s [Miles Goosens] More aboot 'awkwind, mate! [The Great Quail ] Re: A Full Hawkwind [Ken Weingold ] Re: Lions and Tigers [Miles Goosens ] Re: Eatin' horseshoe crabs spodee odee [Ken Weingold ] Re: Cash, Crabs & Cash [The Great Quail ] Re: More aboot 'awkwind, mate! [Ken Weingold ] Re: Lions and Tigers [Michael R Godwin ] RE: Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s ["Bachman, Mic] Ultimate 80's List ["FS Thomas | at work" ] Fishing for Pumpkins ["Mike Wells" ] Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s, and CDDB [Christopher Gross Subject: best. show. ever. Ken said, > So what are some of the bands that live completely blew you away? The > bands that have left you speechless, thinking "What the fuck did I > just experience?" Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds, 2000(?), The Warfield, SF Skinny Puppy, 2000, Dresden, Germany Bob Mould, 1997, 9:30 Club (?), Washington DC Love & Rockets, 1992 (?), Mesa Amphitheatre, AZ Grant Lee Hitchcock, 2000, GAMH, SF Soft Boys, 2002, Slims, SF Jesus Lizard, 1997, Theatre of Performing Arts, Philadelphia, PA Lamb, 2000, Coachella, CA Amon Tobin, 2000/2001/2002, Coachella CA and Bimbo's, SF CA Erasure, 1991 (?), ASU Auditorium (?), AZ of all the bands i've seen, i've probably seen (ahem) Alice Cooper the most often. my ex was a huge fan of his, and i took him to at least 4 or 5 shows out of the goodness of my heart. :) don't get me wrong, i love things like Love It To Death, but the newer stuff i saw him touring to support .. ah, well, i can do without. other bands/singers i've seen include: Siouxsie & the Banshees, The Cure, Ministry, Bauhaus, Cracker, Banco de Gaia, Beck, Phish, Morrissey, Tool, Peter Murphy (solo), Depeche Mode, Sisters of Mercy, They Might Be Giants, REM (only once, and at the Bridge School Benefit - ehhh), Meat Puppets, Cornershop, The Monkees, Weird Al Yankovic, Machines of Loving Grace, Thrill Kill Kult, Squarepusher, Grant-Lee Phillips, Cevin Key, Plaid .. i'm probably forgetting a great many. i'm a child of the 80's, obviously. :) bands/singers i haven't seen but hope to (or wish i could have) someday before i die: Radiohead, Bjork, Wire (yes yes, i know i just missed them, stupid work schedule), The Creatures, Tones on Tail, The Pixies, Alphaville .. again, i'm probably forgetting some. what a great topic! - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eclipse eclipse@tuliphead.com Kindness towards all things is the true religion. - Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 00:21:38 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Moss Elixer won't load in my computer Anyone else have a problem with Moss Elixer by any chance in a computer? In my G4 with SuperDrive, I put the CD in and it spins around for a while and then ejects. Every time. I have had no problems with any other CD. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 00:47:48 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Moss Elixer - it's the SuperDrive My roommate just got today his PowerBook with SuperDrive in it and it also spit out Moss Elixer. His old beige G3 reads it fine. So the SuperDrive can't read Moss Elixer? Anyone else have one they can test it with? - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 22:03:48 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Moss Elixer - it's the SuperDrive >My roommate just got today his PowerBook with SuperDrive in it and it >also spit out Moss Elixer. His old beige G3 reads it fine. So the >SuperDrive can't read Moss Elixer? It gets worse. Wait 'til your computer tries to read Mossy Liquor. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 01:07:41 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Moss Elixer - it's the SuperDrive On Tue, Nov 19, 2002, Eb wrote: > >My roommate just got today his PowerBook with SuperDrive in it and it > >also spit out Moss Elixer. His old beige G3 reads it fine. So the > >SuperDrive can't read Moss Elixer? > > It gets worse. Wait 'til your computer tries to read Mossy Liquor. It won't fit. I guess the drive isn't that super. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 02:16:30 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: re: Gigs, we got gigs... Most times seen (these include in store appearances): Hitchcock 28 (not including Soft Boys shows) Crack the Sky 14 Elvis Costello 12 Soft Boys 11 Residents 11 Pink Floyd 11 The Who 10 X 9 Santana 8 Eric Clapton 8 Bowie 7 Genesis 7 Alex Chilton 7 (includes 2 Big Star shows) Kansas 7 Grant Lee Phillips 7 (or more, all with Robyn) R.E.M. 6 Cheap Trick 6 Nils Lofgren 6 Tim Keegan/Departure Lounge 6 Laurie Anderson 5 Paul McCartney 5 Alice Cooper 5 Young Fresh Fellows 5 dozen best shows I've seen (chronological order, too hard to rank) 8/5/1981 Bruce Springsteen & the E Street Band--Landover, MD, River tour (4 hours of incredible energy) 9/25/1982 The Who/The Clash/Santana/the hooters--JFK Stadium, Philadelphia, my first Who show, the band was really tight 12/9/1983 the ARMS Benefit--MSG, New York (Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, Jimmy Page, Joe Cocker, Ron Wood, Bill Wyman, Charlie Watts, Kenny Jones, Ronnie Lane and others) A great show. All three original Yardbirds guitarists--Jeff Beck blew everyone away. 7/13/1985 Live Aid (London)--The Who, David Bowie (with Matthew Seligman), Elvis Costello, Paul McCartney, U2, Boomtown Rats, Brian Ferry (w/David Gilmour), Queen, Elton John, Sting, Dire Straits, etc. One of the most memorable shows I've ever seen, to put it mildly 9/14/1985 The Kinks Merriweather Post Pavilion front row (and the first concert I saw when I was old enough to drink legally--day after I turned 21) Ray kept coming over to us throughout the show trying to get a reaction from us, had us sing part of Low Budget, etc. 1/31/1986 The Residents with Snakefinger, Lisner Auditorium, DC. When one of the band members said, "We hope you left your drugs at home, you won't be needing them", they were right. The show turned me into a hardcore fan. 4/30/1987 Elvis Costello/Nick Lowe Lafayette College, PA I learned an important thing at this show--if you ever get asked "Are you on the production crew?" Say "YES!" (It also helps to arrive 4 hours early in a motor home and pull up to the loading entrance.) We had full backstage access all night. It was the tour with the big wheel-of-songs--Elvis would play what ever random selection came up. He was EXTREMELY nice, and he talked to us for about 20 minutes after the show. 6/27/1989 The Who Radio City Music Hall, Tommy concert benefit show, 9th row The most expensive single show I've ever seen ($225), but well worth it. 1/1/1991 Robyn Hitchcock & the Egyptians Max's on Broadway--Baltimore Great venue (tiny) and a loose set list. They really seemed to be having a great time themselves. 4/29/1996 Pete Townshend House of Blues, Hollywood (both shows) Pete was really enthusiastic and sounded GREAT. He seemed to be playing whatever he was in the mood for, like seeing Robyn at the Largo. Definite contender for my favorite concert(s) ever. Better than seeing the Who, even. 7/13/1996 Laurie Anderson Scottsdale Center for the Arts I was trying to see if I could get an album signed and accidentally walked into the auditorium just as Laurie was starting sound check (really, it was not what I was trying to do). I did stay to watch a bit, and finally took a seat at the side. After a few minutes, the techs all went to the control room, backstage, etc. Laurie and I were the only ones in the hall, and she played for about 70 minutes. It was really intense, there were no sounds other than what she was doing. Better than the show that night--it was like a private concert. She signed my United States Live LP slipcase before heading out. 5/31/1997 to present--Hitchcock/Soft Boys at the Largo The Largo shows are almost always the most fun shows Robyn does. A lot of great people have showed up to play, the set lists are unusual (lots of covers or rarely played songs), and the improv songs can be really great, too. Worth the drive every time. and finally, the unexpectedly great shows, by year-- 80--Rush 81--Springsteen Santana 83 Ry Cooder the Blasters Jeff Beck 84 King Crimson 85 Stevie Ray Vaughan 86 the Residents & Snakefinger Miles Davis Stanley Jordan 87 Ramones 88 Alex Chilton 89 They Might Be Giants Feelies 89/90 Pylon 91 Pere Ubu 92 the Cramps 94 Shonen Knife 95 NIN 96 Pete Townshend 98 Kraftwerk 2000 Dan Bern 01 Young Fresh Fellows 02 Buzzcocks Paul McCartney Chatter at you later, Marc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 01:19:37 -0700 From: Eb Subject: re: Gigs, we got gigs... >Marc, on concert experiences: >Kansas 7 Yeeeeikes. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:28:05 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: Re: A Full Hawkwind >From: Christopher Gross >Subject: Re: repeat acts, and a confession >>"A full Hawkwind"? Does that mean with Lemmy? >Not necessarily, but it *would* be neat! I was mainly thinking of seeing >Dave Brock and Nik Turner in the same Hawkwind at the same time, plus as >many of the others as possible. I know I can never really see a full >Hawkwind, since Bob Calvert is dead. I saw Lemmy play with Hawkwind at the Acid Daze show in 1987. I don't think he was there for the full set but was certainly there for Silver Machine. Excellent day out that included the Damned in their Naz Nomad guise, PWEI, Pink Fairies and others. I missed seeing Nik with Hawkwind by about a year. I have seen him a few times with ICU or NT's Fantastic All Stars, all excellent shows but not very Hawkwind-like. Some All Star line ups were guitar free. I saw Bob Calvert around '86 at the Paradise Club in Reading which was good but not as great as I had hoped. Saw the Chronicle's tour but not on a night with Moorcock narrating. Is Huw Langton in the lineup these days? Brian _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 07:01:01 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Eatin' horseshoe crabs spodee odee Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > I will second the recommendation of freedb.org check the spelling -- at least one of Mr Rew's album's has his name wrong, and sometimes the titles get all e.e. cummings on your or sometimes even SHOUT ... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 07:03:42 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: lyrics, lyrics and... sandflies? James Dignan wrote: > > yeah. British prison slang, but also (IIRC) used in top schools at one time > to mean a teacher on the prowl beaks are also headmasters and judges. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 07:35:25 -0500 From: "Roberta Cowan" Subject: RE: Best live bands Hello! I've been trying to put this together for a couple of days, either in my head or on paper but the interruptions are endless so I guess this is gonna be it. There are an awful lot of shows that are going to be left off for one reason or another. I notice, for what it's worth, that I feel more emotional investment in small venue shows which adds to my memories of the event. (in no particular order) Richard & Linda Thompson Band, Aurora Theatre, Baltimore (ca. Shoot out the Lights) This felt like the closest I came to seeing Fairport with Sandy Denny since Simon Nicol and Dave Mattacks were in the band Peter Gabriel w/Random Hold, Tower Theatre, Philadelphia (for the 3rd album) XTC, Painters Mill, Baltimore (Black Sea) King Crimson, Painters Mill (Discipline) Hey, Fripp even cracked a smile. Rain Parade w/True Believers, 9:30 Club, D.C. (Crashing Dream) True Believers joined them for a jam at the end--there must have been like 6 guitarists on stage. Yikes! The Chills, Max's, Baltimore (Soft Bomb) Just a few weeks before they broke up. Took Martin to see Divine's grave... Straitjacket Fits, 9:30 Club (Melt) No, I never got to see Chris Knox either. 8-) Mazzy Star, Maxwell's, Hoboken (So Tonight That...) The only time I saw them do a full set without Hope Sandoval either holing up in the tour bus or storming off stage after a few songs. And I'm glad I got to see it at least once. Mercury Rev opening for My Bloody Valentine, Hammerjack's, Baltimore (Yerself Is Steam) Well behaved and sober because Dave Baker's parents were in the audience. Wow. Steve Hackett, Bayou, D.C. (Spectral Mornings) Robyn Hitchcock & the Egyptians, 9:30 Club Say no more...I guess I've seen Robyn 25+ times but those early shows had an immense impact on me. ++ Roberta (Crack the Sky rocks!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:30:31 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: mulit-regional DVDs I think awhile ago someone asked about multi-regional DVD players. I have one made by Sampo (Ed Poole says they are rated highly somewhere), but here is something I got from another list about a newer model at a great price. "http://www.discounts-n-deals.com/subcatmfgprod.asp?0=229&1=245&2=1077 The Sampo DVE 612i, multi-region, multi-system (it plays PAL DVDs on NTSC TVs without a converter) $120 plus shipping." I ordered from these people as well, and I can vouch for their honesty and speed in delivery. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:38:17 +0000 (GMT) From: "Jason S. Miller" Subject: Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s Pitchfork has compiled their list of the best records of the 80s. http://pitchforkmedia.com/top/80s/ I own a shameful 27% of the listed records. Notable omissions (to me, at least): No Nick Cave or Birthday Party Love and Rockets Express (or Earth, Sun, Moon) Ministry Land of Rape and Honey (responsible for a whole lot of dreck which followed but you can't argue with its influence) Psychedelic Furs Talk Talk Talk Too Much Joy Son of Sam I Am (anyone, anyone?) The Waterboys Fisherman's Blues And probably a bunch of others I can't think of right now. No Hitchcock, but Underwater Moonlight checked in at #65. No Depeche Mode (I don't care for them but I'd expect them on such a list). Rush fans are going to be sorely disappointed. Jason ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:34:44 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: mulit-regional DVDs At 08:30 AM 11/20/2002 -0500, Jill Brand wrote: >I think awhile ago someone asked about multi-regional DVD players. I have >one made by Sampo (Ed Poole says they are rated highly somewhere), Forget the multi-region playback, just think of all the gold, salt, and flour you can get out of that thing! not killed by a forklift, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:48:59 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s At 08:38 AM 11/20/2002 +0000, Jason S. Miller wrote: >Pitchfork has compiled their list of the best records of the 80s. > > http://pitchforkmedia.com/top/80s/ > >I own a shameful 27% of the listed records. Why shameful? Anyone who acts like the '80s were the decade of ultimate cheese (musically speaking) pretty much has his or her head up his or her ass. I have 77 of them, and would probably enjoy most of the 23 I don't own ('cept leave the THRILLER in the store, please, St. Albini is a bore, and I never liked the Meat Puppets or My Bloody Valentine despite really, really trying). later, Miles, who is actually putting the wraps on a four-disc Best of '85 comp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:49:55 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: More aboot 'awkwind, mate! Chris, > Not necessarily, but it *would* be neat! I was mainly thinking of seeing > Dave Brock and Nik Turner in the same Hawkwind at the same time, plus as > many of the others as possible. I know I can never really see a full > Hawkwind, since Bob Calvert is dead. Oh, for shame! While, yes, Bob Calvert was definitely the heart and soul of Hawkwind during one of their better incarnations, Ron "Bastard" Tree was still quite the frontsman. Seriously -- that '95 concert was astonishing. Played in the Limelight, a gothic style church converted to a nightclub, the band was lit almost entirely by ultraviolet lights. Ron came out on stage half naked, painted green with black tiger stripes, his hair spiked with silver paint. Wrapped in yellow police tape and wearing a pair of fluorescent orange goggles, he more or less pretended to be an insane robot for the entire show, without once breaking character, modulating his voice to all digital extremes with a sequence of foot-pedals. The energy was just amazing, the band was as tight as I've ever seen or heard them, and Ron's crazy antics and vocal range allowed them to play a lot of Calvert's songs. Oh, and there were semi-naked female dancers suspended in cages. AND, to top it off, I had just driven down from Boston where I caught Robyn's double-gig at T.T. Bear's the previous night, with the lovely Deni Bonet on violin and Jill Sobule as opener. What more can you ask for? - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:55:26 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: A Full Hawkwind On Wed, Nov 20, 2002, Brian Hoare wrote: > I saw Lemmy play with Hawkwind at the Acid Daze show in 1987. I don't think > he was there for the full set but was certainly there for Silver Machine. > Excellent day out that included the Damned in their Naz Nomad guise, PWEI, > Pink Fairies and others. Wow! What was The Damned's lineup there? Did Lemmy play with them? - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:04:30 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Lions and Tigers At 12:11 PM 11/19/2002 +1300, James Dignan wrote: >IIRC, "Beaks" and "Eyes" are both slang terms for informers. I can follow "eyes," but is "beaks" some sort of cockney rhyming whangdoodle or something? Both terms are utterly unfamiliar to me. I may be an Anglophile by most standards, but when it comes to slang and anagrams, I might as well have fallen off the Donald Duck. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:01:11 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Eatin' horseshoe crabs spodee odee On Wed, Nov 20, 2002, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > >I will second the recommendation of freedb.org > > check the spelling -- at least one of Mr Rew's album's has his name wrong, > and sometimes the titles get all e.e. cummings on your or sometimes even > SHOUT ... CDDB is like that too. I've been doublechecking everything now since I've been ripping a lot for my iPod. Very sloppy at points. Good thing iTunes is so good for editing these things. Globe of Frogs is from Robyn Hitchock. . - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:01:23 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Cash, Crabs & Cash Jason writes, > I was kind of skeptical at first too but even Desperado really works and > have long hated that song. And it definitely is equal to American 3, if > only on the strength of the Cash originals. The title track is as good > as anything cash has written in his career. Man, I agree completely. In fact, after I first heard the title track, I assumed it was a cover -- I was happily surprised to discover that Cash can still write a song like that, and in a style utterly different from his usual.... - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:04:06 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: More aboot 'awkwind, mate! On Wed, Nov 20, 2002, The Great Quail wrote: > Seriously -- that '95 concert was astonishing. Played in the Limelight, a > gothic style church converted to a nightclub, the band was lit almost > entirely by ultraviolet lights. Ron came out on stage half naked, painted > green with black tiger stripes, his hair spiked with silver paint. Wrapped > in yellow police tape and wearing a pair of fluorescent orange goggles, he > more or less pretended to be an insane robot for the entire show, without > once breaking character, modulating his voice to all digital extremes with a > sequence of foot-pedals. The energy was just amazing, the band was as tight > as I've ever seen or heard them, and Ron's crazy antics and vocal range > allowed them to play a lot of Calvert's songs. Damn. I saw them at Wetlands. I don't think there was any room for that. Limelight would be a better venue for them for sure. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:14:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Lions and Tigers On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Miles Goosens wrote: > I can follow "eyes," but is "beaks" some sort of cockney rhyming > whangdoodle or something? Both terms are utterly unfamiliar to me. I may > be an Anglophile by most standards, but when it comes to slang and > anagrams, I might as well have fallen off the Donald Duck. I go along with "beak" meaning magistrate or person in authority. In P G Wodehouse you often find members of the Drones club being hauled up in front of the beak on the morning after Boat Race night: "With regard to the prisoner Leon Trotsky, a name I strongly suspect of being false, he will be sent down for 14 days in the second division without the option of a fine". And of course in Jennings and Darbishire, the Headmaster is always referred to behind his back as the Archbeako. But I have no idea of the origin. Partridge, anybody? - - Mike Godwin n.p. Kevin Ayers "Caribbean Moon" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:30:26 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s Checking in with 40 of them on CD and a couple beyond that on lp. The list is flawed in my book without The Blue Mask or Shoot Out The Lights. Throwing Muses first should also be on the list as well as The Go-Betweens "Before Hollywood". I bet most Cocteau Twins would list Treasure before Blue Bell Knoll. Kate Bush's "The Dreaming", Til Tuesdays "Everything's Different Now" and Everything But The Girls "Idlewild" would also be on my list. IODOT and EOL from Robyn would also make it. Michael NP John Coltrane A Love Supreme (Deluxe Edition) - -----Original Message----- From: Miles Goosens [mailto:outdoorminer@mindspring.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:49 AM To: Fegmaniax Subject: Re: Let the geekery begin | Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s At 08:38 AM 11/20/2002 +0000, Jason S. Miller wrote: >Pitchfork has compiled their list of the best records of the 80s. > > http://pitchforkmedia.com/top/80s/ > >I own a shameful 27% of the listed records. Why shameful? Anyone who acts like the '80s were the decade of ultimate cheese (musically speaking) pretty much has his or her head up his or her ass. I have 77 of them, and would probably enjoy most of the 23 I don't own ('cept leave the THRILLER in the store, please, St. Albini is a bore, and I never liked the Meat Puppets or My Bloody Valentine despite really, really trying). later, Miles, who is actually putting the wraps on a four-disc Best of '85 comp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:19:13 -0500 From: "FS Thomas | at work" Subject: Ultimate 80's List Don't know if any of you have seen this before, but it's a rather flattering top 100 list of 80s albums. There's a few glaring omissions, but it's not a bad what's-what of the decade. http://pitchforkmedia.com/top/80s/ F S Thomas ferris@ochremedia.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:24:37 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Fishing for Pumpkins For the enjoyment of all, a tasty Robyn expostulation from the Soft Boys in Chicago 10-28-02. Spoken slowly, with little noodles of guitar filler from Kim in the background... "Twilight over the lakeshore In the distance, the incessant raga of the pumpkins The serenade from so far out on the lake That the echo is heard before the sound itself Are you good, boy? Are you a good girl? Do you love your mother? Do you love your pumpkin? By the edge of the lake Two bus drivers pull up And as men will do They take out their fishing rods But the first pumpkins that come into shore Dont glide over the water They come in under the water This evening the lake is very, very still And the bus drivers can see Even as they dangle their hooks Lower their hooks into limpid depths of the lake That each one of them will hook a pumpkin And when they take their pumpkin home It will become (husky voice)their bride" Michael "wake up, Capt Borovski!" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:44:42 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s, and CDDB On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Jason S. Miller wrote: > Pitchfork has compiled their list of the best records of the 80s. > > http://pitchforkmedia.com/top/80s/ Huh! I only own 21 (though there are two or three more where I have the majority of the tracks as mp3s). Obviously I don't spend enough money on CDs. > Notable omissions (to me, at > least): Skinny Puppy! SKINNYYYY PUPPYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!! Also, major boos to William Bower for referring to Minor Threat as "reactionaries," I guess because they "reacted" to Reaganism. Yes, and George Will must be a socialist, since he's known to socialize with people.... Check out , Bill, it's free. On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Ken Weingold wrote: > On Wed, Nov 20, 2002, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > check the spelling -- at least one of Mr Rew's album's has his name wrong, > > and sometimes the titles get all e.e. cummings on your or sometimes even > > SHOUT ... > > CDDB is like that too. I've been doublechecking everything now since > I've been ripping a lot for my iPod. Very sloppy at points. Indeed. I was thrilled when I first discovered CDDB, but the thrill rapidly turned to disgust when I saw how full of errors it was. (Same for freedb, the few times I've tried it.) I haven't conducted a scientific study, but I'd bet that over 50% of their entries contain at least one error -- lots of it stupid stuff like bad spelling or labelling both discs of a double album "disc 1." No doubt some of these errors creep in because people are in a rush to be the first one to enter a new CD, so they don't take a moment to look over their work. Of course even CDDB is a paradise compared to the filenames and mp3 tags found on Kazaa and other file-trading services. It's horrifying. Misspellings, all lower case, all caps, songs listed under the wrong title, songs attributed to the wrong artist, covers listed under the original artist, wildly inaccurate dates, track numbers, and genre descriptions, "retro" used as a genre for anything recorded before 1991, songs with no mp3 tags at all, not to mention all the encoding errors and songs cut off in the middle.... It's a nightmare. Thank god it's free. > Good thing iTunes is so good for editing these things. One thing I love about iTunes is that you can move files and change filenames without breaking your playlists. Take that, WinAmp! - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:03:49 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Pitchfork's Top 100 of the 80s, and CDDB On Wed, Nov 20, 2002, Christopher Gross wrote: > > Good thing iTunes is so good for editing these things. > > One thing I love about iTunes is that you can move files and change > filenames without breaking your playlists. Take that, WinAmp! Plus they finally added the option to prefix filenames with the track number. I don't know of any Windows MP3 player that can sort by ID tags besides I think MusicMatch. I still cannot believe that WinAmp can't. - -Ken ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #381 ********************************