From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #380 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, November 19 2002 Volume 11 : Number 380 Today's Subjects: ----------------- super creeps [drew ] Eatin' horseshoe crabs spodee odee ["Rex.Broome" ] Cash, Crabs & Cash ["Rex.Broome" ] RE: Cash, Crabs & Cash ["Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" ] Re: Eatin' horseshoe crabs spodee odee [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Spinning Posts ["Montauk Daisy" ] Re: super creeps [Eb ] lyrics, lyrics and... sandflies? [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] RE: favorite live discoveries, etc. ["da9ve stovall" ] Re: super creeps [Ken Weingold ] Gigs, we got gigs... ["Michael Wells" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:11:04 -0800 From: drew Subject: super creeps >From: "Greta Swann" > >But I do have a question. I bough David Bowie's "Scary Monsters" and I can >tell its really cool >but what is it about? Or are lyrics geeky and I should just listen to the >cool music instead. Lyrics *are* geeky, unless they're rap lyrics. My personal theory, which I haven't tested by actually going back and reading the lyric sheet (how geeky would that be?), is that it's a concept album about the fashion industry. Apart from the obvious (the song "Fashion"), I think the title track refers to supermodels ("scary monsters" -- peep those PETA shots and see how freaky-ass that model looks next to the normal women protesting her) and the moguls of the fashion industry ("super creeps," self-explanatory). Also note that Bowie later (?) married Iman, a supermodel herself. Hmmmm. >From: "Timothy Reed" > >Hi - I never got into Nick Cave. I guess I expected him to be a goth >Tom Waits, who I intensely dislike, due to what I perceive to be their >musical similarity (laugh if you must). It's not an inappropriate comparison, but I like Nick Cave and I'm indifferent (at best) to Tom Waits, so it's not a sure thing you'll hate both of them. It's hard to listen to Nick Cave casually; I couldn't keep up a steady diet of him, but have to listen to several albums in a row when I'm in the mood and then stop. I still can't listen to _Murder Ballads_ very often. He's very intense; I suspect this is why his concerts make such a powerful impression on people. Make sure your sex and violence tolerance is high if you decide to investigate him. >From: Ken Weingold >But don't count on Nick coming back too >soon. He doesn't like the US. He sure loves ripping off its music and literature and religion, though. It's hard to remember concerts that blew me away; as someone said, in most cases that means someone you didn't expect to be anything special who exceeded all expectations. I would say the most exciting and/or pleasing shows I've seen (and remember, I haven't seen many, and probably half of my total were seen here in the past two years) were Siouxsie and the Banshees, David Byrne, the Church, and this year's Soft Boys show. I've seen Nick Cave (solo) and though it was a great show, it didn't "blow me away." Oh yeah: Negativland. Holy hell, what a show that was. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:16:46 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Eatin' horseshoe crabs spodee odee Miles: >>R.E.M., Charleston, WV, 10/87 Oh my god. That was the fist "real" concert I ever went to. In my home state, but three hours away nonetheless. Indigo Girls opened. I was pissed it wasn't Robyn as it had been elsewhere. I remember feeling too cool for school because nobody else in the audience seemed to recognize "See No Evil" or "Academy Fight Song". "Strange" and "Crazy" they knew. Somebody had to tell me that that nasty smell in the air was pot. _________ Jeffrey FF: >>I think MES and Keith Richards will be drinking it up with >>the irradiated cockroaches after Bush & Cheney & Rumsfeld have their way with >>the world. Except, remember that recent candid nude shot of Keef where it was revealed that, craggy face aside, he's kind of disturbingly buffed out? MES not so much. The main alarming thing about him to me not the drunkenness or the ravaged face so much as how he was hunched over like your rock 'n' roll grandpa, complete with polysester slacks pulled up to his chest. Despite that and the fact that I had no idea who the other three way young guys in the band were... it was an awesome show. _________ Michael Pointy-Hat: >>HC in tha house! I love those things. We used to find them on the beach in >>vacations in Maine. They're great with Poire Guillaume. The guy who wrote "Trilobite!"-- the book, not the song-- had a horseshoe crab cooked for him in Thailand and said it tasted like precambrian ass. But maybe pear is just the thing... I had a tiny little horseshoe crab in my marine aquarium when I was a teenager. Couldn't've been more than an inch and a half long. When it died my mom set it out to dry out and petrify... dunno what we intended to do with it, but the dog ate it before it was thorougly dessicated. >>There ought to be software that does this easily (produces database of all tracks >>on your CDS), some sort of CDDB >>gimcrack only without the sleazy personal >>information tracking. Yeah, there should be. Is the CDDB really good for anything where the extensive or idiosyncratic collector is concerned? I was ripping information off AMG and even without getting to "D" I was discovering I had lots of unlisted records, or records which were listed but had no track listings. My understanding is that the CDDB is even less likely to recognize out-of-print or small-label stuff. (BTW, you can thank me for the track listings on AMG for the early Camper Van Beethoven records.) - -Rex, whose other horseshoe crab memories all took place in Ocean City, MD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:30:57 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Eatin' horseshoe crabs spodee odee Rex Broome wrote: > > Is the CDDB really good for anything where the > extensive or idiosyncratic collector is concerned? you might want to look at freedb. It's where all the wispy linux types catalogue their Anatolian nose-flute concept albums. > -Rex, whose other horseshoe crab memories all took > place in Ocean City, MD curiously, that's the only place I've met them. Mole crabs were at Rehoboth. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:37:02 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Eatin' horseshoe crabs spodee odee At 10:16 AM 11/19/2002 -0800, Rex.Broome wrote: >Miles: >>>R.E.M., Charleston, WV, 10/87 > >Oh my god. That was the fist "real" concert I ever went to. In my home >state, but three hours away nonetheless. Two for me -- all the tolls on the WV turnpike, so $7.50 ($3.75 each way) even without tickets, t-shirts, & gasoline, and that money was tough to scrape up. My Work Tour shirt has almost disintegrated, but it sure got a lot of wear over the years. >Indigo Girls opened. I was pissed >it wasn't Robyn as it had been elsewhere. Are you sure we're talking about 10/87? 10,000 Maniacs opened this show -- they had an off-night, including Natalie Merchant getting pissed at Robert Buck and, while singing, ripping her own hair out and flinging it at Buck. Robyn opened the first part of the R.E.M. '89 tour, by which time I was in Nashville, and when the tour came to nearby Murfreesboro, I was also stuck with Indigo Girls. The Girls actually played an OK set w/obligatory Stipe guest vocals on "Kid Fears" (though I too was bitterly disappointed not to have gotten Robyn as an opener) and I bought their CD later, the major-label debut, not STRANGE FIRE. Too bad they never developed one iota beyond that point. >I remember feeling too cool for >school because nobody else in the audience seemed to recognize "See No Evil" >or "Academy Fight Song". "Strange" and "Crazy" they knew. Somebody had to >tell me that that nasty smell in the air was pot. OK, we're definitely off a couple of years, 'cos those were staples on the '89 tour. Here's the 10/14/87 Charleston setlist: Finest Worksong / These Days / Welcome To The Occupation / Disturbance At The Heron House / Exhuming McCarthy / Orange Crush / Feeling Gravitys Pull / King Of Birds / I Believe / Fireplace / Driver 8 / Cuyahoga / Superman / Auctioneer (Another Engine) / Oddfellows Local 151 / It's The End Of The World As We Know It (And I Feel Fine) / Begin The Begin encore 1: Strange / Lightnin' Hopkins / Fall On Me encore 2: The One I Love / 1,000,000 encore 3: Red Rain - So. Central Rain My guess is that you saw the 1989 Morgantown show, seeing as you travelled three hours in-state and Indigo Girls opened. Charleston's central location means that it's usually under three hours from most points in the state. R.E.M. came back to the region later that year, to Roanoke, VA (part of the show can be seen in TOURFILM), but Pylon was opening by then. Robyn concert content: still stuck at three. 1990 - Bluebird Cafe, Nashville, solo/acoustic 1992 - 328 Performance Hall, Nashville, Egyptians 1997 - Bluebird Cafe, Nashville, solo/acoustic later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:53:05 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: '89 REM openers Just to clear up my memory, I went to the R.E.M. timeline page for '89 , and holy cow, look at the opening acts for the '89 tour: The Go-Betweens The Hoodoo Gurus Robyn Hitchcock & the Egyptians The Bats Drivin' and Cryin' Blue Aeroplanes Throwing Muses NRBQ Pylon And Rex and I got stuck with &*@&%$! Indigo Girls! Drivin' and Cryin' is the *only* act on the above list that I might rank below Indigo Girls, but not by much if at all. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:37:50 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Cash, Crabs & Cash Eb: >>Tickets were, what, $20? I'd say a significant chunk of that $100 was your own >>choice. Sort of. Tickets-- at the window, mind you-- did cost $30 ($4 handling charge for the woman to print ticket and hand it to me through glass). And I ate the astonising parking charge at the HOB, as well as an overpriced appetizer, two teas and two beers. All of which I could have avoided except that (A) I thought I was running really late, and (B) I was feelin' too crappy to sit in traffic, park, eat, get back in car, sit in traffic, park again, walk down Sunset to HOB, etc. etc. So my fault as well as that of the kids at my daughter's day care from whence the illness came... _____ Mike G. >>Anyway, I've always called them King Crabs whenever they came up in >>conversation - which is not that often The prefix "Alaskan" is key to the distinction. Those would be the true crabs whose enormous legs adorn all-you-can-eat buffets all over the US. Otherwise, for eatin' purposes, you got primarily your blue crabs on the east coast (rock crabs in the northeast, usually claws only) and dungeness on the west coast. Blues being the tastiest, and those from the Chesapeake at the top of the heap. Nobody eats the horseshoes. My dad has a 1908 (approx) edition of Kipling's "Just So Stories" where the plate illustration for the story about the crab, which I think was called a "king crab", was clearly depicted as a horseshoe crab. _______ Quail: >>I am a big fan of the Cash/Rubin "American" recordings, and I think Cash can >>totally take a cover song and make it his own. I am, too. I distrust Rubin's sensibilities in general as he's associated with a lot of music that's not my cuppa (by a long shot), but the song choices for the first three of those albums was impeccable. The stuff by Danzig et. al. was obscure enough that I hadn't heard it and Cash did well with it. But "Personal Jesus" and "Hurt", to me, are not just facile and bad as songwriting goes, but also overplayed and instantly recognizable. Same thing goes for "Desperado" which is-- ugh-- also on the record (I personally see many parallels between the Eagles and Depeche Mode, but that's just me). Nonetheless, I'll definitely buy and probably really like the record. Thing is, you're always afraid each Cash record may be his last, and I'm just doubly afraid this one won't equal "American 3", which was so chillingly good... However, it will definitely be the answer to the future trivia question "What album features guest shots by both Nick Cave and Don Henley?" >>"Personal Jesus" sounds rather seedy in his baritone growl.... One >>reviewer I read remarked that he sounded more like a huckster traveling >>preacher out to lay the ladies of his flock rather than save souls, and I >>think that pegs it nicely! That makes me feel better as I can relate that back to Depeche Mode quite handily! ________ MRG: >>Captain Beefheart and his Magic Band, Middle Earth 1968 Ouch! (Wasn't born yet) >>Television and the Only Ones, Hammersmith Odeon 1978(?) Double super ouch! Sometimes I wish I was older. And while I sometimes wish I was younger, I never wish I had been born any later than I actually was. 'Cuz damn. - -Rex "feels like 1971" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:48:23 -0800 From: "Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" Subject: RE: Cash, Crabs & Cash > -----Original Message----- > From: Rex.Broome [mailto:Rex.Broome@preferredmedia.com] > Quail: > >>I am a big fan of the Cash/Rubin "American" recordings, and I think Cash > >>can totally take a cover song and make it his own. > > I am, too. I distrust Rubin's sensibilities in general as he's associated > with a lot of music that's not my cuppa (by a long shot), but the song > choices for the first three of those albums was impeccable. The stuff by > Danzig et. al. was obscure enough that I hadn't heard it and Cash did well > with it. But "Personal Jesus" and "Hurt", to me, are not just facile and > bad as songwriting goes, but also overplayed and instantly recognizable. > Same thing goes for "Desperado" which is-- ugh-- also on the record (I > personally see many parallels between the Eagles and Depeche Mode, but > that's just me). Nonetheless, I'll definitely buy and probably really > like the record. Thing is, you're always afraid each Cash record may be > his last, and I'm just doubly afraid this one won't equal "American 3", > which was so chillingly good... I was kind of skeptical at first too but even Desperado really works and have long hated that song. And it definitely is equal to American 3, if only on the strength of the Cash originals. The title track is as good as anything cash has written in his career. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:54:08 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: super creeps On Tue, Nov 19, 2002, drew wrote: > It's not an inappropriate comparison, but I like Nick Cave > and I'm indifferent (at best) to Tom Waits, so it's not a sure > thing you'll hate both of them. I don't like Tom Waits, but I had a bad experience with him. In 1990 or 91, for about two of the three hours my tattoo took, the tattoo artist was listening to him. Imagine a needle going in and out of your skin about 100 times per second for two hours while listening to Tom Waits. Not a pleasant experience. But I wanted him to be more comfortable than I, so I didn't say anything. After that he put on Procol Harum. > It's hard to listen to Nick Cave casually; I couldn't keep up a > steady diet of him, but have to listen to several albums in a row > when I'm in the mood and then stop. I still can't listen to _Murder > Ballads_ very often. He's very intense; I suspect this is why his > concerts make such a powerful impression on people. Make sure your > sex and violence tolerance is high if you decide to investigate him. Last time I saw him I wanted to get drinks afterwards. My friend wanted to go home and masturbate. :) - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:57:36 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Eatin' horseshoe crabs spodee odee Quoting "Rex.Broome" : > Jeffrey FF: > > >>I think MES and Keith Richards will be drinking it up with > >>the irradiated cockroaches after Bush & Cheney & Rumsfeld have their way > with >>the world. > > Except, remember that recent candid nude shot of Keef where it was revealed > that, craggy face aside, he's kind of disturbingly buffed out? Uh, no. Please do not direct me to an URL. MES not so > much. The main alarming thing about him to me not the drunkenness or the > ravaged face so much as how he was hunched over like your rock 'n' roll > grandpa, complete with polysester slacks pulled up to his chest. I think it's intoxicants of choice that makes the difference here... Despite > that and the fact that I had no idea who the other three way young guys in > the band were... it was an awesome show. No one ever has any idea who the rest of the Fall is these days. Show up with a guitar and an amp, walk on stage, and you too can be a member of the Fall. For one gig - until MES throws the mic stand at you & unplugs your amp and tells you to bugger off then. > Is the CDDB really good for anything where the > extensive or idiosyncratic collector is concerned? I will second the recommendation of freedb.org, which I ran into because it's the default db link for Exact Audio Copy, which I'll also recommend for ripping tracks from CD. (Thanks to dmw for that advice, if you're still here.) ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:17:58 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: super creeps and The Cave of Nick On Tue, Nov 19, 2002, drew wrote: >> It's not an inappropriate comparison, but I like Nick Cave >> and I'm indifferent (at best) to Tom Waits, so it's not a sure >> thing you'll hate both of them. >> It's hard to listen to Nick Cave casually; I couldn't keep up a >> steady diet of him, but have to listen to several albums in a row >> when I'm in the mood and then stop. I still can't listen to _Murder >> Ballads_ very often. He's very intense; I suspect this is why his >> concerts make such a powerful impression on people. Make sure your >> sex and violence tolerance is high if you decide to investigate him. Ken retorted: >Last time I saw him I wanted to get drinks afterwards. My friend >wanted to go home and masturbate. :) The Boatman's Call is pretty easy to take. It's nowhere near as intense as Murder Ballads or Tender Prey. All this talk about Nick Cave brings up one of my pet peeves. When is Wings of Desire going to be released as a DVD? Nick and the Bad Seeds perform The Carney and From Her to Eternity in WOD. WOD is one of my favorite movies. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:41:03 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: super creeps and The Cave of Nick On Tue, Nov 19, 2002, Bachman, Michael wrote: > Ken retorted: > >Last time I saw him I wanted to get drinks afterwards. My friend > >wanted to go home and masturbate. :) > > The Boatman's Call is pretty easy to take. It's nowhere near as intense > as Murder Ballads or Tender Prey. All this talk about Nick Cave brings up > one of my pet peeves. When is Wings of Desire going to be released as a DVD? > Nick and the Bad Seeds perform The Carney and From Her to Eternity in WOD. > WOD is one of my favorite movies. No clue, but I am really dying to see it. Never got around to it. Tender Prey was the first Bad Seeds album I ever heard. Yeah, I guess it's intense. Henry's Dream was the first tour I got to see. Needless to say I have caught him every other time since, a few times with the Bad Seeds, that solor tour, and with Die Haut in Brazil in 1993. Can't get enough of that man. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 22:00:53 +0000 From: "Montauk Daisy" Subject: Spinning Posts Me then Eb: >>I wish I had seen the Spinners in their heyday >Odd choice to single out for the short list.... Yes, but... In college my boyfriend's suite-mate used to constantly blast out the Spinners, who were then in their heyday. At the time I thought I hated it, or considered it just part and parcle of Carlyle's(said suite -mate, who would always tell you just how outrageously expensive everything he owned was) boorishnesss, or was pining for my Joni Mitchell records, whatever. It was disco and I was firmly in the "I hate disco" camp. Years later I heard some of it again and realized I absolutely loved it. I loved the silky harmonies and I-dont-know-what-to-call -it honey of the lead singer's voice. Anyway, I gather the band that now calls itself the Spinners dosnt have the same line-up as those 70's glory days did. - ----------------- Chris: >Man, if one of my shelvers at work did >that, I'd tie him down and pelt him with Ulrich's Periodical Directory! Ouch, man. You are -cruel-! - ---------------- Ross: Funny, sad story, and neat Robynesque lyrics. Im going to buy a copy so thanks for promoting it here. But one tiny feminist quibble, perhaps cause Im reading Carol Gillighan at the moment and feel like not letting my sex play the scapegoat. I know this is rock n roll where women are slags and men are sensitive but ... Maybe in some alternative universe the women do blunt, not connected to anything come-ons,, but isnt it more realistic in -this- universe that its the guys who tend to do come-ons out of the blue? Im probobly the only person who noticed this. And I know most of you will think Im being silly. In fact, I think I just figured out this has nothing to do with Ross's excellent story but with the fact that Ive seen too much of it in this here non-fictional world -- guys blaming women for their own projected funk. So silly me. I think. Kay _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:25:58 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: super creeps >Ken: >I don't like Tom Waits, but I had a bad experience with him. In 1990 >or 91, for about two of the three hours my tattoo took, the tattoo >artist was listening to him. Imagine a needle going in and out of >your skin about 100 times per second for two hours while listening to >Tom Waits. Not a pleasant experience. Holy Ludovico Treatment, Batman! Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:27:19 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: lyrics, lyrics and... sandflies? >>But I do have a question. I bought David Bowie's "Scary Monsters" >>and I can tell its really cool >>but what is it about? Or are lyrics geeky and I should just listen >>to the cool music instead. It depends to a large extent on the album and on the singer. With Scary Monsters I think the overall sound is more important than the lyrics, but there are a lot of CDs out there where the lyrics are just as important as the music, or even more so. Music's a funny beast - you can go from instrumentals at one end to rap at the other, so there's no hard and fast rules about it all. I'd say treat each CD as though it's a new experience - it won't take you too long to work out which albums have cool lyrics and which ones don't. - --- >James on beaks and eyes. Good call, beaks isnt that common a usage so I >didn't catch it. Is it jail slang? yeah. British prison slang, but also (IIRC) used in top schools at one time to mean a teacher on the prowl (back to the Ronald Searle thread?). But it appears I may have been reading too much into it. >Are sand flies no-see-ems? I hate no-see-ems. They're as bad as eyes and >beaks. pretty much. A bit bigger than the standard late evening fly-up-your-nose bugs, but not big enough to be called mosquitos (although they are sometimes known as "mozzies". James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: 19 Nov 2002 16:04:08 -0800 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: RE: favorite live discoveries, etc. Favorite live "discoveries" - bands I've seen live without ever having heard a note by them previously, who have blown me away: The Bad Livers (bluegrass/thrash, circa late 1990, early '91) Only a Mother (Detroit-based, heavily Residents-influenced, very hard to describe, playing an opening set for the next act, . . .) Maestro Subgum and the Whole (jumbled up mix of Beatles/showtunes/Beefheart styles, and wholly original unto themselves) Roy Nathanson/Anthony Coleman (NY avant-Jewish - opened for Negativland in '93) Hypnotic Clambake (circa '98-ish) Other all-round best live experiences: Mike Keneally (who also takes top honors in the 'most-seen' category, at somewheres around 20 times in various incarnations/lineups) Roger Waters (KAOS tour, Sept 5, 1987) (seen 4 times total) Richard Thompson (seen 4x) Robyn H (seen 4x, best: Eye tour in late '90/early '91) Tom Waits (Chicago Theatre, '99) Negativland (seen 2x, '93 and '00, both in Chicago) 'Most wanted to see but never had the chance:' Beefheart John Lennon Zappa Hendrix Can Slapp Happy Henry Cow XTC Pink Floyd-with-Syd 'Most wanting to see, but very likely to have to travel a long distance to fulfill that wish:' Gary Lucas Fred Frith (any lineup with him in it, at least) any John Zorn project, especially a Masada-related one >From: Ken Weingold >Subject: Re: blown by Richard Thompson >God dammit. How could I forget to mention Richard Thompson. Tru' dat. He's a helluva showman, and funny as hell, too. Have you heard his song about Madonna's wedding? So far, he only does it live - no official release. I saw him this past February in Lafayette, IN, and he did a cover of Britney Spears' "Oops, I Did It Again" and then showed us his navel for a split second. Then did a cover of some several-hundred-years-old song, sung (phonetically) in medieval Italian. How's that for range? >From: Michael R Godwin >Subject: Re: Sex and rock'n'roll (I won't bore you with drugs...) >On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com wrote: >> Gary Lucas (ex-Beefheart guitarist) > >I expect you're aware that Gary, along with John French(!!!), Mark >"Rockette Morton" Boston (!!!!), and Denny Walley are playing as the Magic >Band at the Shepherd's Bush Empire on 7th April. Presumably it will be all >instrumentals, as Don is definitely not up for it. And they're doing at least one show in the US. This might occasion my second cross-country flight for a concert. I never had the chance to see Beefheart live (nor Zappa) and all y'all who did are bastards. da9ve >From: The Great Quail >Subject: Re: Best live bands >2. Frank Zappa in Allentown the year before his death. ? FZ's last tour was '88. Was this a Yellow Shark show I've not heard of previously? Am I (very possibly) forgetting my Zappa liturgy? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:53:17 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: super creeps On Tue, Nov 19, 2002, Eb wrote: > >Ken: > >I don't like Tom Waits, but I had a bad experience with him. In 1990 > >or 91, for about two of the three hours my tattoo took, the tattoo > >artist was listening to him. Imagine a needle going in and out of > >your skin about 100 times per second for two hours while listening to > >Tom Waits. Not a pleasant experience. > > Holy Ludovico Treatment, Batman! Yeah. Quite a bit of the old in-out, luv. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:23:32 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Gigs, we got gigs... Ken: > So what are some of the bands that live completely blew you away? The > bands that have left you speechless, thinking "What the fuck did I > just experience?" Interesting question. There's a number of gigs that I've seen that would rank among my best which don't fit this question...Stones, Roger Waters, Heart, etc...perhaps because they were exactly what I expected them to be, or were missing that little 'something' that makes it a stunner. Here's a few that really got the blood going: 12/9/85 Stevie Ray Vaughan, Loeb Playhouse at Purdue Univ. (IN) SRV was seriously goofed up, you could see that, but was still blazing away as usual, hat low and standing by the drum riser. Foot tapping, hands flying. There was this vibe in the place, you could feel it, but it was snaking around not really connecting with anything...then about halfway into the show he launched into "Voodoo Chile" and it happened. Like a hundred bolts of lightening from the stage just LEAPT into the audience and the place was up for grabs. I looked down from the balcony and people were surging, moving, a writhing mass with this all powerful guitar sound just forming soundshapes in the air. I still have difficulty describing it, I can only imagine it must be what people thought when they heard the original Jimi...the perfect time, sound, feeling, audience, all on the same wavelength. It was the first time I ever really saw an utterly complete takeover like that, and it will be with me for life. 8/25/90 Robert Cray, Stevie Ray Vaughan, & Eric Clapton, Alpine Valley (WI) SRV got a full time slot as a supporting act - and fucking used it hard. He was clean and sober, and if possible a whole dimension better than previous shows. He started about sunset, perfectly pacing the setlist and building the intensity as the show progressed. 35,000 people enraptured, and when he finally finished in the cool night air it was like a huge exhale happened. In the few minutes before EC came on I remember looking at my buddies and saying "Clapton's fucked after that"...but it turned out I was wrong. I've seen him a number of times in different settings, and I'm not the biggest EC fan in the world, but he stepped up and delivered THE HAMMER that night. Extended solos, voice perfect, so very good and so out front that he proved the better. It really was astonishing, how good they both were that night. 3/30/94 Rush, Rosemont Horizon (Chicago) 4th row seats for the 3hr show celebrating their 20th anniversary. My dream concert. The best at what they do playing their best songs. Bliss. 4/18/85 Blue Oyster Cult, Star Plaza Theater (IN) There was the possibility for some serious Spinal Tappage, but they brought their full sound system into a few-thousand seat indoor hall and floored the place. A hideously fun night, plenty of classics (Godwin: "Red and the Black," "Hot Rails to Hell", etc!) and no schtick like inflatable Godzillas. I was reminded that they were a very, very good rock band that night, straight at-your-head stuff and Buck Dharma was amazing. 5/3/88 Chicago Symphony Orchestra, Rosemont Horizon (Chicago) We had 3rd row seats for Solti's mega Tchaikovsky program. It was the only time I've been close enough to a major symphony orcherstra to physically FEEL the tones coming of the instruments, and I was devestated. All the subtleties, the woods resonating, and the thunder when it cranked up. I left stunned and with completely changed feelings about how I should listen to classical music. 11/23/86 Metal Church, Cabaret Metro (Chicago) I think they were surprised to find that anybody knew who they were outside of Seattle at the time, let alone expect to see a bunch of us metalhead freaks standing outside on a cold, dark Sunday evening in November waiting to get in. They came outside to talk, then when we got in let us have it...hard, fast, bone-crunching metal in a small venue by an energetic band for a seriously nuts audience of a few hundred. One of those perfect concerts, exhausting madness for a couple hours. 12/21/84 Iron Maiden, Rosemont Horizon (Chicago) The first of their two visit for the "Powerslave" tour, and it was indescribable. The most powerful touring amplification system made at the time, about a jillion watts or something, full stage lightshow/theatrics, and the nonstop juggernaut of Maiden live. Seriously loud and with 'bomber' Harris on form, the rhythm had our seats vibrating. God, I want to go again. 8/3/91 Lollapalooza, World Music Center Chicago A lollapalooza indeed. 8/26/93 Hothouse Flowers, Ziggy Marley & Midnight Oil, Carrowinds Palladium (NC) Upgraded my seats, sat next to friends of HHF and got invited to the post show party, should have been killed twice on the drive back to Charlotte, got directions from a male prostitute, was pulled over by the cops while utterly out of my mind, and woke up alone in the Presidential Suite of a hotel I didn't check into. When my wife asked how the show was, I really had to tell her I had no idea... Michael "what, is Maiden on tour again?" Wells ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #380 ********************************