From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #375 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, November 17 2002 Volume 11 : Number 375 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: #1 [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Something or other [Eb ] Re: yeah [Jeff Dwarf ] When old rock stars have too much time on their hands... [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: #1 [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Baltimore DVD, Kimberly, Red Skelton [Johnathan Vail ] CD filing ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re: CD filing ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: CD filing [Ed ] Re: dallas morning news review ["Marc Holden" ] Re: When old rock stars have too much time on their hands... [Jeffrey wit] Re: When old rock stars have too much time on their hands... [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: When old rock stars have too much time on their hands... [Perry Amber] Re: CD filing, 1st cds [Mike Swedene ] cd swap [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: CD filing, 1st cds [Ken Weingold ] Compilations, Harrison, Hokey Pokey [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] extra baggage [Jill Brand ] xtra trax [Mike Swedene ] Re: CD filing, 1st cds [Tom Clark ] Re: CD filing, 1st cds [Ken Weingold ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 00:45:17 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: #1 Quoting Eb : http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/pagename=/MN/PROMO/promo_in_the_media.html/promoid=5021 > > CDNow's proposed list of the worst #1 songs ever: > > You can find #1 lists here: http://www.alaskajim.com/polls.htm. If > this information is correct, my eyes latched on "We Built This City," > "I Will Always Love You," "Macarena," "Ice Ice Baby" and "I'm Henry > VIII, I Am" as potential substitutes (out of the songs I recognized, > that is). Almost all of these are worse than the songs on the list - the sole exception being the Herman's Hermits numbers, which is exempt for not having any ambitions above silliness, and also for supplying the much-used "second verse, same as the first" line (but is that original w/that track, or borrowed from elsewhere?). Marxist rock bands should adapt that song and change the line to "second verse, history as farce" (but only if they pronounce "verse" to rhyme, of course). ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: we make everything you need, and you need everything we make ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 23:02:35 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Something or other >From: "Montauk Daisy" > >My Dylan fan friend says that the other night at MSG Dylan spoke about how >he couldnt make the Harrison tribute, how he and Harrison had been good >friends, and then he preformed "Something." I wonder how it went. Wonder no longer. http://home.t-online.de/home/spoonfeeder/021113_Something.mp3 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 00:01:07 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: yeah drew wrote: > >From: "Rex.Broome" > > >closely examining the photos on the packaging to see how many spines > >I could recognize and what that might indicate about the > photographer > > Yep, not just you. :) I confess to this idiocy as well. > Sucks about Jeffrey Jones. I used to really like watching him in > movies and now I'll have to feel weird about it. http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/11/15/reubens.artwork.flap/index.html Reubens's lawyer is protesting his innocence; hopefullly, this is like the Jock Sturges case where some moron doesn't know the difference between nude and erotic. ===== "If we don't allow journalists, politicians, and every two-bit Joe Schmo with a cause to grandstand by using 9-11 as a lame rhetorical device, then the terrorists have already won." -- "Shredder" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 00:44:34 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: When old rock stars have too much time on their hands... http://launch.yahoo.com/read/news.asp?contentID=211328 Does this mean Mick Jones will sue Mick Jones? Will Dave Stewart the former pitcher battle Dave Stewart the former eurythmic for name supremacy? ===== "If we don't allow journalists, politicians, and every two-bit Joe Schmo with a cause to grandstand by using 9-11 as a lame rhetorical device, then the terrorists have already won." -- "Shredder" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 01:14:15 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: split the difference Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > As Steve Schiavo pointed out a few months back, Rumsfeld, Cheney, and > others have been planning "regime change" in Iraq since well before > 9/11 - well before Bush's "election," in fact. I think the lesson we can all draw from this is, no matter what, always pay your Halliburton bill on time, because Cheney has the biggest, most bad ass collection agency of all time at his disposal, and has no qualms about abusing his authority in using it. ===== "If we don't allow journalists, politicians, and every two-bit Joe Schmo with a cause to grandstand by using 9-11 as a lame rhetorical device, then the terrorists have already won." -- "Shredder" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 01:16:53 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: #1 Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Quoting Eb : > http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/pagename=/MN/PROMO/promo_in_the_media.html/promoid=5021 >> >> CDNow's proposed list of the worst #1 songs ever: >> >> You can find #1 lists here: http://www.alaskajim.com/polls.htm. If >> this information is correct, my eyes latched on "We Built This >> City," "I Will Always Love You," "Macarena," "Ice Ice Baby" >> and "I'm Henry VIII, I Am" as potential substitutes (out of the >> songs I recognized, that is). > > Almost all of these are worse than the songs on the list - the sole > exception being the Herman's Hermits numbers, which is exempt for not > having any ambitions above silliness, and also for supplying the > much-used "second verse, same as the first" line (but is that > original w/that track, or borrowed from elsewhere?). And "IWALY." Whitney's version certainly qualifies as one of the worst records ever to go number one, but the song itself is quite lovely, as long as it's not being whored up and yodelled by Bobby Brown's wife. > Marxist rock bands should adapt that song and change the line to > "second verse, history as farce" (but only if they pronounce "verse" > to rhyme, of course). ===== "If we don't allow journalists, politicians, and every two-bit Joe Schmo with a cause to grandstand by using 9-11 as a lame rhetorical device, then the terrorists have already won." -- "Shredder" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 07:37:26 -0500 From: Johnathan Vail Subject: Re: Baltimore DVD, Kimberly, Red Skelton "ross taylor" wrote: I've just watched Ed Poole's DVD of the 2001 Baltimore SBs, and it plays like a charm on XP & WinDVD (Windows Medea Player had problems w/ What DVD is this and where can I get it? I probably missed the posting with this... Gotta Let This Hen Out, so I'll try it later). It's quite the slick package. Great performance , great footage, great sound & none of the obnoxious inserts found in GLTHO. The highlighted set list shows up before each song briefly so you know where you are even in fast forward. Also you can navigate via sections: Head, Thorax & Tail (Crabs don't have much of a tail & maybe less head, so I'm thinking this is a lobster? Bees have abdomins, not tails.) I'm very pleased w/ it Not having seen it yet, trilobites are my guess: Learn to recognize trilobite agents. These typically have a head bit that is called a cephalon, a middle segmented thorax bit, and a tail bit that is called a pygidium. They are benthic and vagile, and probably occupy many roles in the food chain. Including devouring our children! They must be stopped at all costs! See http://www.aloha.net/~smgon/trilomajor.htm and http://www.blackbook.org/1996/08/960829.html for more info. jv ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 08:09:45 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: CD filing >So... how do people file their various artists CDs? Chronologically by date of purchase. Each one gets a number and everything is indexed on computer, maiking it easy to find what you're looking for. So Traveling Wilburys gets one number, #146. In the index I can file it under T, D, H, P, O *and* L if I want to...it all directs you to #146 on the shelf. No sliding CD's over when you accumulate too many of one artist, no wondering whether Tin Machine goes under T or B, no deciding whether or not to put the Dukes of Stratosphear with the XTC records, and perhaps best of all, when someone asks you how many CD's you have you can give them an exact number. Try it, you'll like it. - -rUss np: George Harrison/Brainwashed (#784) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 11:56:00 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: CD filing Russ Reynolds wrote: > > ... perhaps best > of all, when someone asks you how many CD's you have you can give them an > exact number. Russ, can I just say: I'm very, very worried that no oceans separate us. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 11:56:42 -0500 From: Ed Subject: Re: CD filing On Saturday, November 16, 2002, at 11:09 AM, Russ Reynolds wrote: > Chronologically by date of purchase. a la "High Fidelity" (I forget if it was in the book, or just the movie) -- you must have been doing it long before that, but, as John Cusack's character points out in the movie, this is also a good way of looking back at how your musical tastes developed -- and how certain life events, such as break-ups, influenced your music purchasing. I like! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:16:50 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Re: dallas morning news review I've liked most of these reviews, but why do so many say that the Soft Boys toured in 2000? Was there an error in a primary press release, or are they all making the same mistake independently? The re-release and tour both happened in 2001. - ----- Original Message ----- > Soft Boys -- "Nextdoorland" (Matador/Beggars Group): Twenty-two years > after releasing the cult classic "Underwater Moonlight" (and after > reuniting to tour behind the album's re-release in 2000) ... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 11:19:06 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: When old rock stars have too much time on their hands... Quoting Jeff Dwarf : > http://launch.yahoo.com/read/news.asp?contentID=211328 > > Does this mean Mick Jones will sue Mick Jones? Will Dave Stewart the > former pitcher battle Dave Stewart the former eurythmic for name supremacy? Not to mention Dave Stewart the prog-rocker keyboard guy. What's funny is that I've seen Bill Wyman the writer's byline for years...and never once thought, oh, it's the former bass player for the Stones. If I were the writer, I'd wonder, so do I get to marry 19-year-old models now too? Robert Palmer and Robert Palmer? Now at least among musicians, if they had a union like the Screen Actors Guild, this wouldn't be a problem: Michael J. Fox has the "J." because there already was a "Michael Fox" with an SAG card. I have this vague idea that there's a name associated with old blues guys that at least two folks used... ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: This album is dedicated to anyone who started out as an animal and :: winds up as a processing unit. :: --Soft Boys, note, _Can of Bees_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:09:28 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: When old rock stars have too much time on their hands... Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Quoting Jeff Dwarf : > > > http://launch.yahoo.com/read/news.asp?contentID=211328 > > > > Does this mean Mick Jones will sue Mick Jones? Will Dave Stewart > the > > former pitcher battle Dave Stewart the former eurythmic for name > supremacy? > > Not to mention Dave Stewart the prog-rocker keyboard guy. > > What's funny is that I've seen Bill Wyman the writer's byline for > years...and never once thought, oh, it's the former bass player for > the Stones. If I were the writer, I'd wonder, so do I get to marry > 19-year-old models now too? Only if you start dating them when they are 12. And it's not like the writer Bill Wyman just showed up -- I remember reading him review Depeche Mode's _Violator_ in People (or something of that ilk). It never once occurred to me that the bassist from the Stones would be doing record reviews. If he was starting out, I could maybe see a request that the writer use William Wyman as a by-line for absolute clarity. And if the writer's given name was David Schwartz, but he was using Bill Wyman writing about music, I could almost maybe see some legitimate reason to threaten suit. But it's _HIS GIVEN NAME._ [I have wondered, when thumbing through Newsweek, if Lally (i think) Weymouth was related to Tina though I'm not sure why] > Robert Palmer and Robert Palmer? Shit, I knew I'd miss an utterly obvious one. > Now at least among musicians, if they had a union like the Screen > Actors Guild, this wouldn't be a problem: Michael J. Fox has the "J." > because there already was a "Michael Fox" with an SAG card. And a guy Michael Douglas had to change his last name (as an actor) to Keaton because of Kirk's kid. > I have this vague idea that there's a name associated with old blues > guys that at least two folks used... An old Muddy Waters song that some band named themselves after, and a magazine? ===== "If we don't allow journalists, politicians, and every two-bit Joe Schmo with a cause to grandstand by using 9-11 as a lame rhetorical device, then the terrorists have already won." -- "Shredder" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:12:03 -0800 (PST) From: Perry Amberson Subject: Re: When old rock stars have too much time on their hands... Jeff wrote >>> I have this vague idea that there's a name associated with old blues guys that at least two folks used. <<< You're probably thinking of Sonny Boy Williamson. John Lee Williamson recorded under that name in the 40s. After Williamson's death, Rice Miller took the name professionally and recorded as Sonny Boy until his death in the mid-60s. For what it's worth, I actually prefer Sonny Boy II. He was a brilliant harp player and a very distinctive, if mush-mouthed, vocalist who left behind a fine body of work. - --Perry (don't start me talkin') Amberson ________________________________________________ Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:28:56 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: CD filing, 1st cds - --- Ed wrote: > On Saturday, November 16, 2002, at 11:09 AM, Russ > Reynolds wrote: > > > Chronologically by date of purchase. > > a la "High Fidelity" (I forget if it was in the > book, or just the > movie) -- you must have been doing it long before > that, but, as John > Cusack's character points out in the movie, this is > also a good way of > looking back at how your musical tastes developed -- > and how certain > life events, such as break-ups, influenced your > music purchasing. I > like! I used to do chronologically when i first got my cd player back in 1987, I had Beatles SGT PEPPERS, REM: Eponymous, and a promo single TALKING HEADS: NOTHING BUT FLOWERS. It got to be too much when I would look for a certain cd, now everything is in alphabetical order. Hitchcock under H, Soft boys under S. Morrissey under M and smiths also under S. I think it is easier to find this way... my friend does his based on the dewey decimal system, I can never find anything in his collection. Herbie np-> "Iris" Breeders Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:50:08 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: cd swap It's time for my second annual CD swap. Here's the deal: I've run through my (alphabetized by artist, chrono within artist, v/a at the end by title) CD collection and pulled out stuff that I no longer care to listen to, never cared to listen to, or bought newer editions of. To acquire, 'tis very simple: I'll take either a one-to-one trade (CDs for CDs), or cash as follows: $1 = 2 CDs $2 = 5 CDs $5 = 15 CDs Those costs pretty much cover my postage. Trades are more interesting, of course. I will not accept pudding. CDs will be shipped with all packaging except the jewelbox, unless (a) they came in cardboard digipaks or the like, or (b) they're promo copies w/no artwork. The list of titles is at . Offlist(s), please (apologies to the handful of you who get this twice) ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach" :: --William Gass np: Brian Eno _Taking Tiger Mountain (By Strategy)_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:05:15 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: CD filing, 1st cds Okay, here's a question. What are people using Mac OS X using for catalogging their CDs (and LPS, DVDs, Laserdiscs, etc., for that matter)? I'm looking for something simple to use to keep track of all my albums and movies. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:39:57 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Compilations, Harrison, Hokey Pokey >James: >>>So... how do people file their various artists CDs? > >I'm about to change my system as of, like, next week. Right now they're >alphabetically intermingled (by compilation title) with the rest. But >they're going to the go live together at the end. And I may try to file >them somewhat chronologically. Not sure exactly how, but that feels right, >since mine break down basically into roots stuff, psych comps, punk-era >singles collections and relatively modern tributes & label comps... hm. I realise that I didn't answer my own question. At the end - tribute albums first, then soundtracks, then everything else. Originally the everything else was roughly by genre, but it kept on getting mixed together, so I abandoned that bit. >Anyway ... what Harrison tribute? And what other group, I ask you, could >reproduce live Beatles harmonies on Harrison songs better than ... ? >Idle dreaming perhaps, but they'd make a good addition to the line up, >wouldnt they? But then there might not be room for all the big names who may >have no feeling at all for the actual songs but will add to the star power >of the event. Damn it! have RH&E or the SBs ever done a Harrison-penned Beatles cover? Damn I'd love to hear them do "If I needed someone"... Re Hokey Pokey, a websearch found the following: recipe: information: According to one site which I forgot to grab the URL of: "Hokey Pokey is a traditional name for ice cream and originated from early ice cream vendors who peddled their wares shouting "Ecco un poco" - try a sample". James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 18:11:15 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: extra baggage I wrote and Drew responded: ">There are times at Kinks-related gigs >that I feel like starting a new branch of Weight Watchers or, for the >religiously-minded, a branch of Lose It For Life. That's funny. I always pictured stereotypical Kinks fans as being like the kids I always see at gigs in San Francisco, who wear jean jackets and have incredibly ridiculous mop-mullets or quasi-bouffants and are repulsively scrawny and pale. In fact, the stereotypical fans of a lot of the music I like are skinny." There are very few/no mullets involved. A lot of the fans are my age and really only love the albums that came out before the Kinks re-emerged as stars with Low Budget (there are some truly hideous songs on that album). That was a bizarre time to be an old time Kinks fan because, well, imagine if you showed up at a Soft Boys gig and there were 20,000 people there all shaking their fists and having the intelligence of kelp. Many of those fans faded away after about 5 years and left us oldies to love the band that had fed them something to think about in their youth. True, there is the occasional big-haired woman or guy from the gym, but mostly there are graying 40 somethings. The men have varying degrees of hair left; the women have the cellulitis and wrecked hips to prove they had given birth. But everyone is pretty loving and kind of nuts....and many are very BIG! Jill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:25:01 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: xtra trax has anyone ever compiled all the "extra" tracks from the Rhino re-releases of Robyn's solo stuff? As I noticed recently on E-bay the "EOL" went for over $50. I have most of the re-releases but could not part with the funds at the time. Would Robyn ever release the extra trax on a cd or 2 for the fans through PAF? Would he be ok with us doing it for fan use only? Herbie np -> "Hard Days Night" Beatles "Unsurpassed Masters Vol 1" Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 20:49:20 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: CD filing, 1st cds on 11/16/02 12:05 PM, Ken Weingold at hazmat@hellrot.org wrote: > Okay, here's a question. What are people using Mac OS X using for > catalogging their CDs (and LPS, DVDs, Laserdiscs, etc., for that > matter)? I'm looking for something simple to use to keep track of all > my albums and movies. > I only really care to catalog my CD's. Basically so I can listen to whatever I want to, almost whenever I want. For that I use iTunes. I pretty much stopped buying DVD's when I signed up for Netflix. Would the AppleWorks 6 database suit your needs? - -tc np - 11 month old child crying... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 03:42:56 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: CD filing, 1st cds On Sat, Nov 16, 2002, Tom Clark wrote: > > Would the AppleWorks 6 database suit your needs? Maybe if I owned it. ;-) Never saw AppleWorks. - -Ken ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #375 ********************************