From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #374 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, November 16 2002 Volume 11 : Number 374 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Baltimore DVD, Kimberly, Red Skelton ["ross taylor" ] Ghazouls in tha hazouse ["Rex.Broome" ] soft boys in italy and ireland [guapo stick ] d.m.s.r. [drew ] A Beautiful Library ["Montauk Daisy" ] I hope not one of ours... [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] memphis / mexican god ["ross taylor" ] Doug & The Doctor ["Mike Wells" ] yeah [drew ] Re: yeah [Ken Weingold ] Re: memphis / mexican god [Tom Clark ] Portal Nirvana [Tom Clark ] Re: Dallas review [Eb ] split the difference [Ken Ostrander ] Re: hokey pokey, Blodwyn Pig, CD collections and plurals [grutness@surf4n] #1 [Eb ] Oh Canada [steve ] Re: Portal Nirvana [Mike Swedene ] Re: split the difference [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:02:08 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: Baltimore DVD, Kimberly, Red Skelton I've just watched Ed Poole's DVD of the 2001 Baltimore SBs, and it plays like a charm on XP & WinDVD (Windows Medea Player had problems w/ Gotta Let This Hen Out, so I'll try it later). It's quite the slick package. Great performance , great footage, great sound & none of the obnoxious inserts found in GLTHO. The highlighted set list shows up before each song briefly so you know where you are even in fast forward. Also you can navigate via sections: Head, Thorax & Tail (Crabs don't have much of a tail & maybe less head, so I'm thinking this is a lobster? Bees have abdomins, not tails.) I'm very pleased w/ it & kudos & thanks to Ed. My one suggestion for future such, is, since this is going out to fans, what about a couple of quick audience shots? Well, maybe there'd be legal problems. Having looked at this, I want to say: Kimberley is a waycool-looking dude & mod snappy dresser & does quite nicely as a rock star, but-- Think about him when he gets excited while playing, and then look at these pictures of Red Skelton (who I remember from my youth): www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/9709/17/red.skelton/strip.jpg Ross Taylor "I just wanna talk to you, I won't do ya no harm" - --Jimi Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:14:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Stickiest On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Perry Amberson wrote: > There apparently isn't a consensus, though. One lengthy Internet > article I just saw refers to him throughout as Sticks, though the CD > artwork shown on the same page credits him as Stick. Since Sticks is a > common nickname for drummers, perhaps people have made that association > over the years and adjusted his name accordingly. That makes sense. I concede! - - MRG n.p. 1910 Fruitgum Co, "Sticky Sticky" :) (Every song I know on this list is an absolute classic: I wonder what "I'm gonna find me a cave" by the Banana Splits sounds like?) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:24:23 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Ghazouls in tha hazouse James: >>So... how do people file their various artists CDs? I'm about to change my system as of, like, next week. Right now they're alphabetically intermingled (by compilation title) with the rest. But they're going to the go live together at the end. And I may try to file them somewhat chronologically. Not sure exactly how, but that feels right, since mine break down basically into roots stuff, psych comps, punk-era singles collections and relatively modern tributes & label comps... __________ Mike K: >>No, wait! I'm gonna sort all my records by color If you go by spine color that would look really cool. Although depending on how sunlight hits them, some spines are more apt to change color over time than others. Seems like years since I saw a copy of "Trompe le Monde" where the spine hadn't turned blue. ___________ >>By "tchotchkes", do you mean bric-a-brac? Yup, and I used the feg-approved spelling. My mother-in-law also uses the term "ghazouls", which I like a lot. Don't know the actual spelling or etymology (!!!) on that one but I'll ask her when I pick her up at the airport tonight. Now that I look at it, it sounds like hip-hop slang for "ghouls..." ________ Mike G: >>And can anyone enlighten me on 'The Good Humor Man', which is used by Arthur Lee to mean the ice-cream man (or possibly it has a "hidden" meaning). Why did I have it in my mind that Lee spelled it "Humour"? I just looked it up and he didn't... do I have it confused with some other Lee song with an anglicized spelling, or somebody else's good humor song? - -Rex "the Bad Humour Man" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:31:37 -0500 From: guapo stick Subject: soft boys in italy and ireland just noticed this on the soft boys site: The band has just finished up their North American tour, and will be setting off for sunny Italy, and somewhat less sunny Ireland, in January: January dates in Italy: Thursday 16 - Sarzana, Jux Tap Friday 17 - Biella, Babylonia Saturday 18 - Chiari, Teatro Toscanini Monday 20 - Bologna, Ruvido Club Ireland: Wednesday 22 - Dublin, Music Centre woj p.s. countries starting with the letter "i". hmmmm. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:37:34 -0800 From: drew Subject: d.m.s.r. >From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" > >I forget whether it's in "The Lives Of A Cell (Notes Of A Biology Watcher)" >or "The Medusa And The Snail". Both great books worth reading. He's got >some really interesting perspectives on things. Excellent. I'll have to look for those. >From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > >I suppose now we talk about whether our partners' musical tastes differ >significantly from our own? My girlfriend of nearly 7 years and I discovered fairly early on that we had the Smiths and Suede in common. When we argue over what to play in the car, it seems like we have divergent tastes, but in reality I think they're more similar than dis-. Certain artists I like are repugnant to her (Prince, Momus, Dylan, Steeleye Span, new Suede, and Bowie are the prime offenders), but mostly we just differ in degree (her favorite bands are still Space, Puressence, and My Life Story, and I can only take them in small doses). She even likes a few Robyn songs now: "Sinister But She Was Happy," "DeChirico Street," and "You & Oblivion." My collection has at least 1000 CDs in it; if I have more than that they're disposable (meaning I'd sell them if I could get any money from them). Really I'm pretty sure I could trim down to about 800 that are worth keeping; I'm thinking of purging my Ani DiFranco soon. I also have a case of burned CDs, some of which will be replaced with official copies when I get around to it, some of which I feel justified in keeping because I own the cassette version, and most of which I never feel like listening to and thus will probably never buy. >From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" > >And you know what? I still look at my collection and say," Dammit, I have >nothing to listen to." Me too. It horrifies me. >From: "Rex.Broome" > >Me and the wife, we want a house with a damned library. I do too, but I'm torn; I also like looking around the living room and seeing shelves of books. It's comforting. >From: Ken Ostrander > >this is the same bullshit. cock-blocking is avoiding trying to work out a >real solution. it's sad that this is the best that we can hope for. Yeah, I agree. >well, the greens are committed to a consensus seeking process. that means >working out a solution that all parties can agree to. I don't get how this is different from what both major parties claim to do now. And more importantly, I don't get how the Green party expects to be more successful at it. I think it would be great if people approached politics from this point of view, don't get me wrong. There's entirely too much polarization now. >ah, there's the rub! what is the right candidate? >http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/810727.asp *vomit* >people still have a problem with the concept of socialism; but capitalism >doesn't seem to bother people all that much. how about the etymology for >these? in my mind one is based on people and the other is based on money. Pretty much. Americans cherish the idea that the wealth they are able to accumulate came to them solely through their own actions, that they are not one of countless reservoirs in a massive, flowing system of resources and credit, and anything that asks them to acknowledge and help maintain that system is thievery. Of course, Americans also quite rightly mistrust their government, and in most cases it probably *is* thievery. Americans trust money more than people, is what it comes down to. Which is pretty funny if you think about it. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:21:35 +0000 From: "Montauk Daisy" Subject: A Beautiful Library Filing: I gave up on the Wilderberries and gave them their own place. While I agree that Petty beats Lynn and Oberson beats Petty I just couldnt pull off Beatles beats Dylan cause, for me, they tie. (Every clasification system is inadequate to its task.) My Dylan fan friend says that the other night at MSG Dylan spoke about how he couldnt make the Harrison tribute, how he and Harrison had been good friends, and then he preformed "Something." I wonder how it went. Anyway ... what Harrison tribute? And what other group, I ask you, could reproduce live Beatles harmonies on Harrison songs better than ... ? Idle dreaming perhaps, but they'd make a good addition to the line up, wouldnt they? But then there might not be room for all the big names who may have no feeling at all for the actual songs but will add to the star power of the event. Damn it! - --------------------------- I havent gotten my copy of Side 3 yet, thou Ive ordered it. I have Narcisssus on a CDR from last year's tour and the lyrics work really well. I gather thou, the song has changed since then? Also--wasnt there an announcement that there is an outakes version of Side 3? Is there a different version on that? - ----------------------------- Bookcases, In our old, tiny row house I had bookcases built all around the dining room. It worked really well but Mike got sick of it and the dining room in our new house is bookcase-less. We're building bookcases in the halls on the upper stories(not enought thou) so they're hidden away but I agree with Rex. I have always wanted a real library -- a big room with tall windows between built in wooden bookcases, a huge desk with lots of drawers and cubbyholes, a plasterwork ceiling circa William and Mary, large tables, big old orientals with most of the pile worn off, some Grimling Gibbons limewood carvings(my needs are -so- simple and few,) comfy chairs, a ton of books and other media, Tiffany lamp(hokey, yes, but still beautiful) a flat screened computer, wood filing cabnets, and I dont know why ... but a really big globe. In my fantesies there is always a really big globe on one of the tables. And the views out the windows are onto gorgeous countryside. There are sheep on yonder hills, and a lake in front of them. There are books piled up everywhere and piles of papers covering one of the tables. Its where I'd go to play absent-minded professer. For days. - ---------------------------- Pere Ubu --I know the play. Is the term older than that? - ---------------------------- Nestor of the Gods? Damn, another reason why NZ is paradise. In fact, I think James described this once before and I must have purposely blocked it out of my mind cause it sounded like unattainable bliss. I want hokey-pokey ice cream with pear and cream(thou Id pass on the choclate sauce and would take butterscotch instead.) Mmmmm. BTW--Is anyone else of the opinion that pears are an unjustly neglected fruit? Is that a geeky enough topic? - ----------------------------- Godders: >* Kay, I'm SHOCKED ... Oh goody. So then is this the beginning of a beautiful friendship:-? Kay _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:24:52 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: I hope not one of ours... from http://www.newsoftheweird.com/archive/index.html "Ross Watt, 33, was convicted of disorderly conduct in Edinburgh, Scotland, in October after witnesses and police testified that he rolled around on the ground, simulating sexual intercourse with an orange and white traffic cone." [The Scotsman, 10-16-02] ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman np: The Killer Shrews ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:24:39 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: memphis / mexican god Crowbar Joe-- "memphis, home of elvis and the ancient greeks" No, David Byrne, it was not the Greeks, it was the Egyptians. I don't live there but have spent a bunch of time there. Beal Street is an unrecognizable tourist trap. Sun Studios, on the other hand has been altered extremely little & there's not too much claptrap about the tour, just a few nice unreleased tapes. Supposedly that part of town hasn't even changed much. I think near there is (or was?) the Antenna Club, haven of Alex Chilton. There's also a great museum--really--in the Lorraine Motel where Dr. King was shot, the National Civil Rights Museum. The neighborhood is gentrified, but most of the buildings go back to the 60s at least. They actually have some decent stuff in the Memphis art gallery. Then there's the river, totally boring, but, you know, historic. The Peabody Hotel is ritzy, old but refurbished, an OK place for a drink. They make live ducks do odd things there. Funny you mentioned Chattenooga, it's a pretty town w/ nothing happening & a time zone border running down the middle. I'm really saying all this to try to scare up real Volunteer State folks. - --- "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat"-- >>& he wrote "Mexican God" about one I can't yet find my old emails about that, but it was discussed here, maybe in the spring? Anyway, RH mentioned in several interviews, early/mid 90s, when he was vacationing in I think Central America that he saw a dead body on a beach, & made much of its meaning to him. The timing was close enuf to JfS that I inferred the connection. There may have been other things connecting them ... I think at least one of the interviews is archived on fegmania.org. I'll try to follow up. Aren't theories fun? Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:55:35 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Doug & The Doctor Woo! Another episode with Ramona and K9! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/2477373.stm Michael "let me fetch my scarf" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:32:42 -0800 From: drew Subject: yeah >From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) > >So... how do people file their various artists CDs? All together, at the end. Soundtracks, compilations, even some classical, all mushed together. Occasionally I make exceptions for tribute albums. >From: "Rex.Broome" >closely examining the photos on the packaging to see how many spines >I could recognize and what that might indicate about the photographer Yep, not just you. :) >From: Jill Brand >There are times at Kinks-related gigs >that I feel like starting a new branch of Weight Watchers or, for the >religiously-minded, a branch of Lose It For Life. That's funny. I always pictured stereotypical Kinks fans as being like the kids I always see at gigs in San Francisco, who wear jean jackets and have incredibly ridiculous mop-mullets or quasi-bouffants and are repulsively scrawny and pale. In fact, the stereotypical fans of a lot of the music I like are skinny. Is it just me, or do a lot of the Nextdoorland reviews sound pretty much exactly alike? Sucks about Jeffrey Jones. I used to really like watching him in movies and now I'll have to feel weird about it. - - Drew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:36:52 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: yeah On Fri, Nov 15, 2002, drew wrote: > >From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) > > > >So... how do people file their various artists CDs? > > All together, at the end. Soundtracks, compilations, even > some classical, all mushed together. Occasionally I make > exceptions for tribute albums. Yeah, I keep various artists CDs at the end, I think more grouped in genres. I don't have too many, so it's no big deal. Soundtracks are also with them. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:45:42 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: memphis / mexican god on 11/15/02 12:24 PM, ross taylor at protay4@eudoramail.com wrote: >>> & he wrote "Mexican God" about one > > I can't yet find my old emails about that, but > it was discussed here, maybe in the spring? > Anyway, RH mentioned in several interviews, > early/mid 90s, when he was vacationing in I > think Central America that he saw a dead body > on a beach, & made much of its meaning to him. > The timing was close enuf to JfS that I inferred > the connection. There may have been other > things connecting them ... I think at least one > of the interviews is archived on fegmania.org. I think it was Brazil where he saw the dead body. But wasn't Mexican God inspired by a different vacation to Mexico? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:56:44 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Portal Nirvana Some may remember that a few months ago I was whining about how I hated all the ads showing up on my Yahoo home page, and how I was searching for an alternative portal site. Well, lo and behold, I found My Way. They have a similar look and feel to your MyYahoo page, but no ads. They say they'll be profitable in their first month but don't really outline how they plan on achieving that, so who knows how long they'll survive. Nonetheless, it's great so far. Check out http://www.myway.com/ Good day now, - -tc p.s. For those of you who read the Subject: line backwards, here's a Nirvana Portal: http://www.nirvanaclub.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:02:16 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Dallas review >"the skewed disco sensibilities of Rew" ? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:33:46 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: split the difference "And if," one caller queried, "no weapons of mass destruction were found by U.N. weapons inspectors inside Iraq?" "What it would prove would be that the inspection process had been successfully defeated by the Iraqis," the secretary [of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld] said. "There's no question but that the Iraqi regime is clever, they've spent a lot of time hiding things, dispersing things, tunneling underground." >>"Banana split is a compound noun. Both components are nouns. If >>anything, 'banana' is acting adjectivally and theoretically you could >>have an apple split or a mango split, which would be compound nouns as >>well." > >this doesn't seem right, given that "split" is a verb, in the sense that that's what happens to the banana in the process of creating this confection! right. apple pie is a different story. more importantly, have we determined what hokey pokey flavor is? >> Sorry to say, Greta and I began a torrid affair offlist which didn't end >> well, and... well, let's just say you won't be hearing from her any time >> soon. > >Whoa, Rex - she was in *high school*! You shouldn't be letting on to that in >public - you never know which 14-year-old girl on the list is actually a middle-aged FBI guy. that would be a neat trick. maybe greta can tell us her version of the story. maybe rex will. or maybe we'll read about it... >*FS Thomas* wrote: >> So THAT'S how it is in their family: >> >http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/Movies/11/15/actor.arrested/index.html thanks ferris! "between grief and nothing...i'll take grief." -ed rooney >an interesting thing with musicians is that while some might appear to >have had extensive ear training and can pick a hook or progression after a >single listen, they often have trouble hearing and matching tones and >therefore are very poor tuners. i've played with quite a few musicians >like this and at first thought they were just lazy or uppity about doing >something so menial, but in many cases they just don't have the ear for >it. hmmm...i resemble that remark. i find that i can quickly figure out what someone is playing or if it sounds like something else; but try and tune my own guitar without one of those electronic doo-hickeys and it's like george w trying to read dostoyevsky upside down. ken "nobody is lacking like my vegetable friend" the kenster np riot act pearl jam http://www.vh1.com/artists/az/pearl_jam/327088/album.jhtml ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:48:23 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: hokey pokey, Blodwyn Pig, CD collections and plurals I inadvertently sent tis lot straight to Mike. By popular request, here it is back again on the list in all its unalloyed lack of glory... >Re spo-dee-o-dee, I don't see why it should mean any more than >'vo-de-o-do', or 'da-doo-ron-ron', or 'rama lama fa fa fa' or 'duggery dug >redug duggery dug redug' or 'dit dit dit dit dit dit dit dit mm mm mm mm >mm mm get a job' (hang on - that last one has some real words). Anyway, I >mean it from the bottom of my boogety boogety boogety shoo! ding dong yeah yeah! >Hey, off this already off-topic topic, I just picked up a new CD >rack/storage thingie on Tuesday and when I got it home I found myself, as >always, closely examining the photos on the packaging to see how many spines >I could recognize and what that might indicate about the photographer (or >whoever stocked the thing in the photo). I can remember doing this from >the first time I ever bought a cassette-carrying case as a teenager. Unique >illness, symptomatic of my general detail-obsession, or common tic? common tic, as is examining the spines on the occasions when you see CD racks on display in shops with CD cases in them to demonstrate to the stupid how they should be used. >>>I suppose now we talk about whether our partners' musical tastes differ >>>significantly from our own? > >Mine's do. (How's that for an odd-looking sentence?) sigh. Another thread. Alice is into 60s British Invasion, Punk, Grrl, Grunge, and Jazz. Favourite artists include the Beatles (and Lennon solo), the Who, Nirvana, PJ Harvey, the Zombies, and Billie Holiday. So significant overlap. She also has a freaky memory for music. She can suddenly say "you remember that song you were playing in the car on the way to Port Chalmers three weeks ago?" "um, no..." "it went like this [sings entire verse verbatim] - who's it by?" For this reason she can quote Robyn Hitchcock lyrics back at me. She likes Robyn's music, but he's hardly one of ther favourite artists. Her critique was "the words can be very good when he's not trying too hard to be deliberately weird, but the tunes are often too ordinary". >I'm kinda surprised American labels haven't tried this. I recently noticed >that in certain drugstores the Coca Cola family of beverages is housed in a >completely different refrigerated section from the PepsiCo ones. I though this was standard practice worldwide! >Wouldn't John Evans Blues Band go under "S" for John Evans Smash? It was simply called the John Evan Band from '65 to '66, became John Evan Smash in '66, according to Pete 'rock family tree' Frame, anyway. From '63 to '65 Anderson, Barlow, Evan, and Hammond-Hammond were in The Blades, with Michael Stephens. >No, wait! I'm gonna sort all my records by color, in order from lightest to >darkest. The White Album goes first, then The Wall, Who By Numbers, Three >of A Perfect Pair is in the first 25%, Diver Down is 35% of the way in, >Discipline is in the low middle, Broadsword And The Beast is in the last >25%, Dark Side Of The Moon is near the end, Spinal Tap is last. Hm. Title length? Jethro Tull's "A" at one end, T.Rex's "My people were fair but they lost track of what the title of their album was supposed to be so rambled on for a paragraph or so" at the other. Anyone any idea why last night I dreamed I was translating a book of poetry by a Mexican revolutionary leader? >Ice cream cones are called pokey hats in Glasgow. Coincidence? I don't >think so. All your cultural references are belong to us, but. the origin of the word hokey-pokey for ice cream is believed to be, of all things, an Irish pronunciation of an Italian word for a variety of toffee. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:59:49 -0700 From: Eb Subject: #1 http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/pagename=/MN/PROMO/promo_in_the_media.html/promoid=5021 CDNow's proposed list of the worst #1 songs ever: 1. Barry McGuire/Eve of Destruction (not so good, but the worst #1 of all time??) 2. Bobby Goldsboro/Honey 3. Zager & Evans/In the Year 2525 (never understood why this song is so hated) 4. Chuck Berry/My Ding-a-Ling (this should be moved to the top spot!) 5. Helen Reddy/I am Woman (what's so damn bad about this one?) 6. Paul Anka/Having My Baby 7. Falco/Rock Me Amadeus 8. Michael Bolton/When a Man Loves a Woman 9. Right Said Fred/I'm Too Sexy 10. Meat Loaf/I'd Do Anything for Love (bad, but top 10? nah....) Some of these, I heartily endorse. Others, not. Any alternate suggestions? You can find #1 lists here: http://www.alaskajim.com/polls.htm. If this information is correct, my eyes latched on "We Built This City," "I Will Always Love You," "Macarena," "Ice Ice Baby" and "I'm Henry VIII, I Am" as potential substitutes (out of the songs I recognized, that is). Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 22:12:42 -0600 From: steve Subject: Oh Canada http://bantha.cjb.net/john/ - - Steve __________ It's an old shibboleth of those who want to inject religion into public life that they're honoring the spirit of the nation's founders. - David Greenberg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:37:45 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: Portal Nirvana I read about this in WIRED this month, just have not had a chance to look it over. I have 30 lesson plans due for grad school on Monday. Yikes! Herbie - --- Tom Clark wrote: > Some may remember that a few months ago I was > whining about how I hated all > the ads showing up on my Yahoo home page, and how I > was searching for an > alternative portal site. Well, lo and behold, I > found My Way. They have a > similar look and feel to your MyYahoo page, but no > ads. They say they'll be > profitable in their first month but don't really > outline how they plan on > achieving that, so who knows how long they'll > survive. Nonetheless, it's > great so far. > > Check out http://www.myway.com/ > > Good day now, > -tc > > p.s. For those of you who read the Subject: line > backwards, here's a Nirvana > Portal: http://www.nirvanaclub.com/ ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 00:22:13 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: split the difference Quoting Ken Ostrander : > "And if," one caller queried, "no weapons of mass destruction were found by > U.N. weapons inspectors inside Iraq?" > > "What it would prove would be that the inspection process had been successfully > defeated by the Iraqis," the secretary [of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld] said. > "There's no question but that the Iraqi regime is clever, they've spent a lot > of time hiding things, dispersing things, tunneling underground." As Steve Schiavo pointed out a few months back, Rumsfeld, Cheney, and others have been planning "regime change" in Iraq since well before 9/11 - well before Bush's "election," in fact. And it gets worse. Here's an excerpt from an _L.A. Times_ article by military analyst William Arkin (10/27/02): - ------- Rumsfeld's influential Defense Science Board 2002 Summer Study on Special Operations and Joint Forces in Support of Countering Terrorism says in its classified "outbrief" -- a briefing drafted to guide other Pentagon agencies -- that the global war on terrorism "requires new strategies, postures and organization." The board recommends creation of a super-Intelligence Support Activity, an organization it dubs the Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group, (P2OG), to bring together CIA and military covert action, information warfare, intelligence, and cover and deception. Among other things, this body would launch secret operations aimed at "stimulating reactions" among terrorists and states possessing weapons of mass destruction -- that is, for instance, prodding terrorist cells into action and exposing themselves to "quick-response" attacks by U.S. forces. Such tactics would hold "states/sub-state actors accountable" and "signal to harboring states that their sovereignty will be at risk," the briefing paper declares. - --------- In other words, Rumsfeld proposes that the U.S. *intentionally provoke* terrorist attacks for strategic reasons. Still more bluntly: Rumsfeld is willing to allow American citizens to be killed in order to further his administration's goals. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: PLEASE! You are sending cheese information to me. I don't want it. :: I have no goats or cows or any other milk producing animal! :: --"raus" ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #374 ********************************