From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #372 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, November 14 2002 Volume 11 : Number 372 Today's Subjects: ----------------- 46 love songs [drew ] Re: Long Jeff and the Silver Wilburys [Perry Amberson ] Re: mea culpa [Tom Clark ] Re: 46 love songs [Aaron Mandel ] Re: 46 love songs [drew ] More Songs About Filing and Etymology! ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: More Songs About Filing and Etymology! [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Spo-Dee-O-Dee [Perry Amberson ] RE: 100% Japanese ["Jonathan Fetter" ] Re: More Songs About Filing and Etymology! [Aaron Mandel ] RE: 100% Robyn or 50% Soft Boys? ["Bachman, Michael" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:03:44 -0800 From: drew Subject: 46 love songs I finally got around to listening to the other two discs of 69 Love Songs. I think they're a little more pleasant than the first one, though most of the songs are just drifting by still. If I sat down and paid close attention, I could probably cull it down to two discs and have a nice listenable set. And: at the moment my collection is filed strictly alphabetically, with Soft Boys in S and Robyn in H. Morrissey is under M while the Smiths are under S; Electronic is E, New Order is N. Bryan Ferry is F, Roxy Music is R. Eliminates all this fretting over "primary associations" and whatnot. I do like the idea of sorting by emotional color/style, though (so Momus would shack up with the Pet Shop Boys, and Suede would buy the house between Bowie and the Smiths, down the street from Gene and Echobelly), but it seems like there would be even more fretting and re-sorting. - - Drew ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:25:27 -0800 (PST) From: Perry Amberson Subject: Re: Long Jeff and the Silver Wilburys Since somebody asked, I might as well answer. I only have the Wilburys in homemade CD form these days, but I file them in the Harrison-related, Beatle-related section of my homemade discs. It's like a game of scissors/paper/stone: Orbison cuts Petty, Dylan dulls Orbison, Beatle wraps Dylan. And the cheese (A/K/A Jeff Lynne) stands alone. - --Perry ___________________________________________________ Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:29:25 -0700 From: hamish_simpson@agilent.com Subject: Re: 100% Robyn or 50% Soft Boys? Stu sez > I don't do sorted. All mixed in all everywhere, although > there are small clumps of order that appear in places. My brother did that with his vinyl a long time ago and I was horrified. Still am. I have all the RH and RH&tE together just as RH but SB separate. I have Sensible separate from the Damned. I have Iggy separate from Iggy and the Stooges. I used to frequent a vinyl store where everything was sorted by first letter, e.g. RH under "R" which was weird but solved a couple of problems, e.g. I have "Iggy & the Stooges" under "S" with the other "Stooges" stuff but that's convenient because they were originally just called "the Stooges", and I have "Eddie & the Hot Rods" under "E". I could put it under "H" for "Ed Hollis" but since he wasn't actually in the band that seems dumb. I sort my CDs then wait 'til I have a pile of 20 or so new ones then go through the annoying task of inserting the new ones, being careful to leave spaces for those on loan! I am tempted to go for a more freeform layout but it scares my anal engineering mind! Mikey Mike G sez > and taking that 'Electric Mistress' flanger in to be repaired Enough of your sexual preferences!!!! (H) np - Babybird "Ugly Beautiful" (which is tons better than I ever thought it would be) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:31:10 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: hum-a-day, hum-a-day on 11/14/02 10:39 AM, ross taylor at protay4@eudoramail.com wrote: > Still just going from the WFMU version, I think > "Narcissus" is some great song... Thanks for such a detailed summary, Ross! I was listening to Narcissus this morning on the drive in and while I had already grokked the UM reference, the Airscape imagery just hit me out of the blue. I think that's one of the main things I love about Robyn's lyrics. Upon first listen, there is just the sound of words put together. But the more you listen, the more you get hit with snippets that just seem to make sense now. I swear, I can listen to Black Snake Diamond Role today and still pick out new things that I really hadn't understood the first 800 times I listened to it. on 11/14/02 5:52 AM, Stewart C. Russell at scruss@sympatico.ca wrote: > I don't do sorted. All mixed in all everywhere, although > there are small clumps of order that appear in places. Me too, for the main batch. It makes for fun eyeballing. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:33:10 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: mea culpa on 11/13/02 11:30 PM, Jeff Dwarf at munki1972@yahoo.com wrote: >> Now I see that Bin >> Laden is threatening Canada along with Britain and Australia and some >> other places. Good move, since basically we here in Canada don't have >> any self-defense forces except sarcasm and irony. > > Nonsense. You could always threaten to send Bryan Adams and Celine Dion > to the middle east on tour. Oh man, that's just plain cruel. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:41:01 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: 46 love songs On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, drew wrote: > I finally got around to listening to the other two discs of 69 Love > Songs. I think they're a little more pleasant than the first one, > though most of the songs are just drifting by still. If I sat down and > paid close attention, I could probably cull it down to two discs and > have a nice listenable set. Which is interesting, because I like 69LS a lot more than it sounds like you do, and yet I'd probably make it only one disc if I were editing. Filing: filing by style or by date of acquisition might seem like it would make retrieval slower, but I found that when I did that, I was heading over to the right area and then looking for spines by appearance, while when I'm alphabetical, I ignore useful visual information and focus just on the letters. Filing by purchase date also led to me pulling more things off the shelves than I would otherwise -- I'd see where a record was filed and think "I bought this during my Red House Painters kick? I wonder what the hell I found appealling about it then. Now I'm curious..." and I would listen to it. Ultimately the reason I stopped was not the difficulty of finding things, but the difficulty of REfiling them. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:50:13 -0800 From: drew Subject: Re: 46 love songs At 02:41 PM 11/14/2002 -0500, Aaron Mandel wrote: >Which is interesting, because I like 69LS a lot more than it sounds like >you do, and yet I'd probably make it only one disc if I were editing. Two discs would be excising all the songs I find unbearable; if I made just one disc it would probably be a damned good one as opposed to just listenable. >Filing: filing by style or by date of acquisition might seem like it would >make retrieval slower, but I found that when I did that, I was heading >over to the right area and then looking for spines by appearance, while >when I'm alphabetical, I ignore useful visual information and focus just >on the letters. Interesting -- I go by visual information always, because I don't sort *within* letters. All the B's are together, but Kate Bush might be filed before Bowie with Blondie in between. So I use the same right-area system you do, really. The idea of filing by date of acquisition freaks me out because it means that in order to find the Robyn album I want I would have to remember that I bought Groovy Decay long, long after Queen Elvis. And I would have to remember when I bought the CD as opposed to the cassette. No, that wouldn't work for me at all. - - Drew ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:58:45 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: More Songs About Filing and Etymology! James: >>Feh. You seriously never had a pear split? Pear with cream, hokey pokey >>flavoured ice cream and chocolate sauce? Larvely it is. Please elaborate on hokey-pokey flavo(u)r... to the best of my knowledge that's something I'm often telling my daughter to do between shaking it all about and turning herself around (although if she's ever actually done it I haven't caught it). >>PS - I hope we haven't scared Greta off with all this, and the politics too... Sorry to say, Greta and I began a torrid affair offlist which didn't end well, and... well, let's just say you won't be hearing from her any time soon. ____________ Mike's friend: "Each rack represents one decade - 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, then alphabetically by artist within that, with related artists grouped together within primary associations" Holy hell. What device/algorithm is used to determine the "primary association"? Just plain "first appearance"? Take this example: >>John Cale under "V", in the first rack. If so, now that those (origingal) Dream Syndicate things with Cale are available (albeit credited to Cale), and they predate the VU records, would that move the VU to a subset of "C" for Cale or "D" for Dream Syndicate, ultimately rendering Lou Reed's solo records a subset of Steve Wynn or something? ______________________ On a related note, to the folks who have rilly rilly big collections: excluding people you've met through this or any other online forum, how many people do you know socially "in real life" with record collections comparable in size to, or larger than, your own? (nb. for me the sample group mostly consists of people I met before this advent of this here internet thingee, or people I've met as "friends of friends", but it's probably a meaningless distinction these days) Just curious since many of my friends are horrified at the size of my collection whereas many on the feglist would probably consider it quite paltry indeed. I myself have only one, maybe two friends with almost as many records and one with substantially more. Oddly, I think everyone I've ever met socially with a bigger record problem than myself is single. Perhaps I have the maximum amount of records one can possess and still cultivate a healthy live-in relationship? ____________ Ross T, in a nicely insightful dissection of "Narcissus": >>particularly the "drinkin wine spodee odee" part More etymology-- o boy o boy o boy! I first encountered that phrase via Pere Ubu but have since learned that it's way older than that... but what the hell exactly does it mean? Is "spodee odee" abverbial, or does it describe the wine itself? (I've always heard it as adverbial, akin to "willy nilly"... as in drinking wine sloppily and carelessly, probably in an already-inebriated state, but what do I know?) What else, if anything, might one do spodee odee other than drink wine? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:02:02 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Fwd: Re: autocratic pronouncements On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Michael R Godwin wrote: > On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat wrote: > > I have no idea where he would file "The Traveling Wilburys". Perry, what > > would you do? ("I wouldn't own The Traveling Wilburys" doesn't count.) > > I'm not Perry, but I would file them under ELO. However, I don't have any > ELO records, thank heavens. Yes, but under the "offshoot" rule, shouldn't ELO be filed under "Move, The"? Or perhaps "Idle Race"? Me, I just file 'em alphabetically - sole exception is I don't distinguish between (say) Robyn Hitchcock solo (H) and with the Egyptians (still H - chronologically within). - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Being young, carefree, having your whole life ahead of you, ::dancing the night away to celebrate... ::oh, and the untimely death of Jackson Pollock. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:12:54 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: Re: crap, delete At 10:15 AM -0800 11/14/02, drew spake thus: >Words in English get to play lots of different roles if they want >without bothering to change costumes. It's confusing, but also >glorious. Lewis Thomas has an interesting essay in which he talks about the nests built by dung beetles - huge, beautiful, complicated structures with spiral galleries and intricate passageways. He talks about how such an unintelligent creature could build such a complex, marvellous structure. He says instinct is responsible - dung beetles habitually build little columns, and when two columns happen to be built with just the right spacing, they instinctively build an arch across them, and it goes from there. He muses over whether humans have nothing similar, complicated structures of one sort or another that we create primarily by instinct, not design. The answer he comes up with is - language. I forget whether it's in "The Lives Of A Cell (Notes Of A Biology Watcher)" or "The Medusa And The Snail". Both great books worth reading. He's got some really interesting perspectives on things. At 6:35 PM +0000 11/14/02, Michael R Godwin spake thus: >> Plus I've always wanted a separate shelf for my Jethro Tull library. >> Haven't done it yet, though. > >File under "Blodwyn Pig offshoots" :) Nope, it all goes under "J" for "Jethro Toe", the spelling on the label of the first single, "Aeroplane". Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:18:32 -0500 From: "Timothy Reed" Subject: RE: 100% Japanese > I used to frequent a vinyl store where everything was sorted > by first letter, e.g. RH under "R" which was weird but solved > a couple of problems Record stores in Japan sort Western artists by first rather than last initial. That sort of makes sense since in Japan the family name comes first - I introduce myself as 'Reed Tim' (well, Reedo Timo, since Japanese words always end in a vowel or 'n' sound). Books and videos - I don't remember if J-pop is done this way too - are sorted by *publisher* name, then by first syllable sound of the artist's family name. *That* is Satan's handiwork - actual hard-core, Japanese-reading Japanese people complain as much about it as I do. Tim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:29:55 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: More Songs About Filing and Etymology! Quoting "Rex.Broome" : > Sorry to say, Greta and I began a torrid affair offlist which didn't end > well, and... well, let's just say you won't be hearing from her any time > soon. Whoa, Rex - she was in *high school*! You shouldn't be letting on to that in public - you never know which 14-year-old girl on the list is actually a middle- aged FBI guy. > On a related note, to the folks who have rilly rilly big collections: > excluding people you've met through this or any other online forum, how many > people do you know socially "in real life" with record collections > comparable in size to, or larger than, your own? (nb. for me the sample > group mostly consists of people I met before this advent of this here > internet thingee, or people I've met as "friends of friends", but it's > probably a meaningless distinction these days) None, if you mean "had I met them other than from mailing lists." I've met one or two folks socially whom I first got to know on lists, who probably have bigger collections (or nearly so) than mine - but no one I know otherwise. A former friend had a larger collection than me for a while - but I don't know what happened to him. > I myself have only one, maybe two friends with almost as many records and > one with substantially more. Oddly, I think everyone I've ever met socially > with a bigger record problem than myself is single. Perhaps I have the > maximum amount of records one can possess and still cultivate a healthy > live-in relationship? Dunno...I've got some 5,500 - 6,000 titles in various formats (mostly CD) and am happily married. I suppose now we talk about whether our partners' musical tastes differ significantly from our own? ..Jeff, readin' e-mail spodee odee J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman np: Hatfield & the North ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:39:17 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: Re: More Songs About Filing and Etymology! At 11:58 AM -0800 11/14/02, Rex.Broome spake thus: >Holy hell. What device/algorithm is used to determine the "primary >association"? Just plain "first appearance"? No - "PIL" might go under "Sex Pistols", but I'm pretty sure "The Nazz" would go under "Rundgren". I think it's just instinctual. >Take this example: >>>John Cale under "V", in the first rack. >If so, now that those (origingal) Dream Syndicate things with Cale are >available (albeit credited to Cale), and they predate the VU records, would >that move the VU to a subset of "C" for Cale or "D" for Dream Syndicate, >ultimately rendering Lou Reed's solo records a subset of Steve Wynn or >something? I don't know, this was two years ago, and I just sort of cooked up examples. I'm sure my friend had it all worked out. He's that way. He's the kind of guy who, if he tapes an album for you, he doesn't write down just the track list for you, he copies down all the production info as well. He can tell you the top ten artists he has bootlegs of in terms of total minutes of tape per artist. He's that way. >Just curious since many of my friends are horrified at the size of my >collection whereas many on the feglist would probably consider it quite >paltry indeed. Mine is fairly small compared my audiophile friends, fairly large for the general hoi polloi. Maybe 550 vinyl records (currently in storage as I have been technically on vacation for the last 9 years,) about 300 CDs, probably 150-200 albums on cassette, 11 gigs of mp3 albums. Also "Gotta Let This Hen Out", "Storefront Hitchcock", and "The Rutles" on DVD. I just started on the DVD thing. And you know what? I still look at my collection and say," Dammit, I have nothing to listen to." >I myself have only one, maybe two friends with almost as many records and >one with substantially more. Oddly, I think everyone I've ever met >socially >with a bigger record problem than myself is single. Perhaps I have the >maximum amount of records one can possess and still cultivate a healthy >live-in relationship? You know - I think you're right about this. >>>particularly the "drinkin wine spodee odee" part > >More etymology-- o boy o boy o boy! I first encountered that phrase via >Pere Ubu but have since learned that it's way older than that... but what >the hell exactly does it mean? I have to check my Richard Thompson bootlegs - he does the song "Drinking Wine Spo-Dee-O-Dee". I think it's a traditional/folk song? Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:39:13 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: Re: Long Jeff and the Silver Wilburys At 1:39 PM -0500 11/14/02, ross taylor spake thus: "never seen a >dead body" -- this isn't Robyn, or not the >current Robyn, talking. He's seen at least two, >& he wrote "Mexican God" about one This is very interesting to me - where has he talked about this? At 11:25 AM -0800 11/14/02, Perry Amberson spake thus: >I file them in the Harrison-related, Beatle-related >section of my homemade discs. It's like a game of >scissors/paper/stone: Orbison cuts Petty, Dylan dulls >Orbison, Beatle wraps Dylan. And the cheese (A/K/A >Jeff Lynne) stands alone. Great answer! Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:55:20 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: 100% Japanese On Thu, Nov 14, 2002, Timothy Reed wrote: > Record stores in Japan sort Western artists by first rather than last > initial. That sort of makes sense since in Japan the family name comes > first - I introduce myself as 'Reed Tim' (well, Reedo Timo, since > Japanese words always end in a vowel or 'n' sound). Books and videos - > I don't remember if J-pop is done this way too - are sorted by > *publisher* name, then by first syllable sound of the artist's family > name. *That* is Satan's handiwork - actual hard-core, Japanese-reading > Japanese people complain as much about it as I do. Not sure which is worse, but as you know, certain NYC record store would sort used records (and now CDs) by letter, and that's it. Sounds was a particular nightmare for searching for records. Not to mention their labels that you couldn't get off. I still have a bunch of records with those damn things on them. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:05:22 -0800 (PST) From: Perry Amberson Subject: Re: Spo-Dee-O-Dee "Drinking Wine Spo-Dee-O-Dee" was an R&B hit for Stick McGhee in the late 1940s and has been much covered by white rockers. I seem to recall reading somewhere that it started out as a drinking song popular among black WWII soldiers, except that a more, uh, impolite four-syllable word was used instead of Spo-Dee-O-Dee. (Clue: It almost rhymes with Forrest Tucker.) There was also a comedian working the "chitlin' circuit" who took Spo-Dee-O-Dee as his stage name (did a guest shot on 'Sanford and Son' in the early 70s), but it's not clear if he was using the name before the song was a hit. Which is a roundabout way of saying I have no idea what it means. I reckon it would be an interjection, though, if one wants to assign it a part of speech. - --Perry ____________________________________________ Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:26:14 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: RE: 100% Japanese Taiwan sorts by first name too, but to make things worse, they also sort by record company. At least I knew where to find all my favorite Sony artists... Jon On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:18:32 -0500, "Timothy Reed" wrote : > > I used to frequent a vinyl store where everything was sorted > > by first letter, e.g. RH under "R" which was weird but solved > > a couple of problems > > Record stores in Japan sort Western artists by first rather than last > initial. That sort of makes sense since in Japan the family name comes > first - I introduce myself as 'Reed Tim' (well, Reedo Timo, since > Japanese words always end in a vowel or 'n' sound). Books and videos - > I don't remember if J-pop is done this way too - are sorted by > *publisher* name, then by first syllable sound of the artist's family > name. *That* is Satan's handiwork - actual hard-core, Japanese- reading > Japanese people complain as much about it as I do. > > Tim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:27:53 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: More Songs About Filing and Etymology! On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Rex.Broome wrote: > On a related note, to the folks who have rilly rilly big collections: > excluding people you've met through this or any other online forum, how > many people do you know socially "in real life" with record collections > comparable in size to, or larger than, your own? Only one, that I can think of. But perhaps the problem is not so much that us many-record-having loons are few in number and only meet on the internet as that I have no idea how many discs some of my friends have because we don't like the same music. The hard-core classical listeners I hang out with might have more discs than I do, but it's never come up. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:33:47 -0500 From: Eric Loehr Subject: More Songs About mussels, Spo-Dee-O-Dee At 12:39 PM 11/14/2002 -0800, Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat wrote: >>>>particularly the "drinkin wine spodee odee" part >> >>More etymology-- o boy o boy o boy! I first encountered that phrase via >>Pere Ubu but have since learned that it's way older than that... but what >>the hell exactly does it mean? > >I have to check my Richard Thompson bootlegs - he does the song "Drinking >Wine Spo-Dee-O-Dee". I think it's a traditional/folk song? > >Mike Glenn Tilbrook is also playing "Drinking Wine Spo-Dee-O-Dee" on his current solo tour (or least he did last Tuesday), along with Hendrix' "Voodoo Child" (note-for-note on acoustic!) and the Monkees' "I'm a Believer" -- oh, yeah, and a bunch of songs from his solo album and old Squeeze stuff. (Great show!) Eric "pulling mussels from a shell" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:36:02 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: 100% Robyn or 50% Soft Boys? Hamish wrote: >I used to frequent a vinyl store where everything was sorted by first letter, e.g. RH under "R" which >was weird but solved a couple of problems, e.g. I have "Iggy & the Stooges" under "S" with the other >"Stooges" stuff but that's convenient because they were originally just called "the Stooges", and I >>have "Eddie & the Hot Rods" under "E". I could put it under "H" for "Ed Hollis" but since he wasn't >actually in the band that seems dumb. Well, they didn't start out as the Stooges. They were called The Psychedelic Stooges when they first stated playing in SE Michigan in 1967/68. Michigan had a bunch of great bands in the later 1960's/early 1970's. MC5, SRC, The Frost, The Amboy Dukes, Bob Seger System, Frijid Pink and the Stooges, Mitch Ryder and the Detroit Wheels. Alice Cooper was also based around Detroit at the time. It was a real vibrant scene for about 5 years. The Grande Ballroom in Detroit was like the Fillmore East of the Mid West. We had great free form FM radio stations at the time as well. The jocks could play anything they wanted. It was a great time to grow up in the Detroit area, music wise. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:57:43 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: Re: 100% Japanese My favorite is the little music store on Green St. in North Beach in SF - they've got about an acre of record bins in the basement, priced at a flat $5 each... and COMPLETELY UNSORTED. I actually did once find something I was looking for in there - "Beauty In The Beast" by Wendy Carlos - but I think that was just luck. At 3:55 PM -0500 11/14/02, Ken Weingold spake thus: >On Thu, Nov 14, 2002, Timothy Reed wrote: >> Record stores in Japan sort Western artists by first rather than last >> initial. That sort of makes sense since in Japan the family name comes >> first - I introduce myself as 'Reed Tim' (well, Reedo Timo, since >> Japanese words always end in a vowel or 'n' sound). Books and videos - >> I don't remember if J-pop is done this way too - are sorted by >> *publisher* name, then by first syllable sound of the artist's family >> name. *That* is Satan's handiwork - actual hard-core, Japanese-reading >> Japanese people complain as much about it as I do. > >Not sure which is worse, but as you know, certain NYC record store >would sort used records (and now CDs) by letter, and that's it. >Sounds was a particular nightmare for searching for records. Not to >mention their labels that you couldn't get off. I still have a bunch >of records with those damn things on them. > > >-Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:45:53 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: RE: More Songs About Filing and Etymology! Aaron: >>But perhaps the problem is not so much that >>us many-record-having loons are few in number and only meet on the >>internet as that I have no idea how many discs some of my friends have >>because we don't like the same music. The hard-core classical listeners I >>hang out with might have more discs than I do, but it's never come up. Good point. I tend to assume that if I've been to someone's house I've seen their record collection, but I guess they might have it elsewhere... a fair amount of people seem to have their more treasured books in their bedroom, so I guess the records might be there too. Me and the wife, we want a house with a damned library. Big room with shelves and bookcases and seating. We got books, oh do we have books, and we just love the idea of a whole showcase room for them (and the records, and photos, and to some extent the tchotchkes). You just don't see that in a lot of houses, do you, but in itself it's not that extravagant of an idea, is it? Anyway, we're really stuck on it. - -Rex "that and we just have too much stuff" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:33:04 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: Re: crap, delete >>the republicans now have control of all three branches of government. this is not good in a pluralistic society, ie democracy. > >Is a democracy really pluralistic? that's what i was getting at...but thanks for the football metaphor. >I don't like the fact >that there won't be any cock-blocking going on, but that's about it. this is the same bullshit. cock-blocking is avoiding trying to work out a real solution. it's sad that this is the best that we can hope for. >And though I have no objections to adding more major parties to >the league, I still feel as though it's not really addressing the problem. >Imagine a Green legislature, President, and Supreme Court. Is that >better because it would suddenly be pluralistic (uh-uh) or because it >would be Green? well, the greens are committed to a consensus seeking process. that means working out a solution that all parties can agree to. somewhere there's a place that environmental and business interests can agree. it takes a lot more time to work through all of the blocking concerns; but the end result is so much better. of course, it only works if all views are represented... >I would love to see political parties abolished, myself. Imagine what >voting would be like. Imagine candidates running on the promise >that they are not shackled to any particular party, that their loyalty >is to the country and not to a huge power structure with its own ends >and aims. As with everything else, it's all about the marketing; I kinda >think it could work, with the right candidates. ah, there's the rub! what is the right candidate? http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/810727.asp >>working together for the benefit of all may sound like a utopian fantasy; but all it takes is a slight alteration of mindset. > >A major alteration of mindset when it comes to capitalism, >of course. Possibly an impossible one, at least in practice. people still have a problem with the concept of socialism; but capitalism doesn't seem to bother people all that much. how about the etymology for these? in my mind one is based on people and the other is based on money. ken "spare any social change?" the kenster np the mirror conspiracy thievery corporation ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #372 ********************************