From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #368 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, November 13 2002 Volume 11 : Number 368 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: fegmaniax-digest V11 #367 ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: FW: fegmaniax-digest V11 #359 [gSs ] RE: fegmaniax-digest V11 #367 [Aaron Mandel ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #367 [Tom Clark ] the young ones, mostly [drew ] RE: fegmaniax-digest V11 #367 ["Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat"] Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #367 ["Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat"] Re:DC Follies ["ross taylor" ] Re:DC Follies, Young Ones ["melissa" ] Last Friday at Largo [Eric Loehr ] Re: DC Follies [Ed ] Democracy & its Malcontents [Ed ] RE: fegmaniax-digest V11 #367 [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Apple Studio Display [Ken Weingold ] RE: fegmaniax-digest V11 #367 ["Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat"] Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #367 ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Democracy & its Malcontents [gSs ] Uncle Tupelo - I Wanna Destroy You cover ["Jason S. Miller" ] Beefheart recommendations [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Beefheart recommendations ["matt sewell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:18:23 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: RE: fegmaniax-digest V11 #367 The Real Mr. Feg: >>Even a bad amp and two broken strings (changed by >>Kimberley - their guitar tech had already gone ahead to LA) couldn't >>slow them. Meant to mention that: in LA the Soft Boys played the entire show without changing any guitars... some tuning between songs but mostly to get to alternate tunings (Robyn only, I think). So why the hell do some bands, including many touring at a level no more lavish than this SB's tour, have to have a guy hand each player a new guitar after every other number? Yes, some guitars stay in tune better than others, and occasionally there's that one song that needs that *one* guitar for its characteristic sound, but still... d'ya think some musicians are just more persnickety about tuning, or do they just get off on having roadies? _________ And then me saying something, and then Ross: >>Oh Helly! Oh Helly! Which I didn't really understand. ___________ The spelling "Donut": There's a doughnut place in Burbank whose sign intentionally looks something like this: DON T H T *U* WHAT'S MISSING? Go figure. I also used to go to a place in South Central called "DONUTIME", which was run by French people. As such my friends and I pronounced the name en francais: "don-you-team". - -Rex "It's Not Just the Size of a Doughnut" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:38:55 -0500 From: Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #367 Rex Broome wrote: > > So why the hell do some bands, ... have > to have a guy hand each player a new guitar > after every other number? I saw one band (ManBreak, I think) where the guitarist managed to break at least one string per song. I don't remember him being a particularly accomplished guitarist, just loud. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:58:34 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: FW: fegmaniax-digest V11 #359 On Sat, 9 Nov 2002, Ed wrote: > no, I mean I don't care about who is over-reacting, who is being > "extreme," etc. I care about the substance, not the wallpaper. all part of the same discussion. > man, if you really want to re-hash this stuff... rip-off! i thought they only did that in spain? > I thought (and think) that your idea for conscripting people into > mandatory civil service is not only wrong-headed, but sounds like > soviet-style totalitarianism. if it is made into law by a democratic process it is neither. Most of the work done by civil servants at all levels can be done by part time volunteers from the community. that is a fact. > I am in favor of > eliminating the advantages of incumbency and ridding the electoral (and > governing!) process of the corrupting influence of big money -- these > would go a long way towards "natural" term limits. that won't happen as i can say what i want about whomever i want and then make sure as many people as i can afford will hear it. > Of course, without > a participating & educated electorate, none of it matters -- the voters > with something to gain by Joe Schmoe's re-election will do whatever > they can to make it happen. eliminate elections. > And, if mere name recognition ("I heard > that guy's name on the news...I'll vote for him!") is enough to decide > an otherwise close race (because people don't know or care enough about > the candidate's stand on issues), even eliminating the money in > politics won't help. eliminate elections. But, here's the thing (and, of course, it leads > me back to the judiciary), the law of the land is that campaign > donations = political "speech" protected by the 1st amendment. So we > aren't going to get anywhere (McCain-Feingold is about as restrictive > as play-dough handcuffs) unless we get that changed, either by > constitutional amendment or by getting it reversed (or limited) in the > Supreme Court. and, I'll tell ya, Republican-appointed judges aren't > going to do that in a million years. eliminate elections. > Second, the professional political class is, to some degree, a > necessary evil. ummetssnittogtututututpit. sorry i was at a loss for words there for a second. i remember someone (mike) saying refugee camps are a necessary evil, when we were discussing afghanistan. i nearly fell of me chair. they are an evil result of things like profesional politicians. neither is necessary or welcomed. > We live in too complex of a world to have jeffersonian > farmer-legislators running the show, or even Texas-style part-time > legislators. i disagree vehemently, especially on the local level. that is where is has to start first. > There's simply too much to do, too much > to understand, to have a constant stream of newcomers, with no > institutional memory and no hope of sticking around long enough to > master even the area that they need to serve well on a specific > committee. man, yer sounding like an attorney. > Last, I didn't say (and you KNOW it) that it is "extreme" for us to > "determine what is best for us." (the thing I hate about your style of > argument is that you act as if there was nothing at all provocative > about the stuff you say, and then when someone reacts to something > you've argued, you act as if they were reacting to something else -- > something that it would be ludicrous to oppose (like "us determining > what is best for us"). And for you to draw the conclusion, from my > "in the land of the free..." comment, that I was not for "us > determining what is best for us" was, as I said, a bit of an > over-reaction). sorry, it just fit. as long as we have a democracy we can be as free as we make us. i thought you were going to back that with saying that there are some things the people should not be allowed to decide for themselves. > If the "us" in question decided to create the kind of > system you are proposing, great, that's what "we" decided, so let's do > that. However, if it involves forcing someone who wasn't part of that > "us" to take a role in the new revolving door government/civil service > you propose, then, yes, i have a problem with that. there will always be opposition to any system, new or old. the majority rules in most cases, as they should. and i am not in any way proposing systems in which "conscripted soldiers" are forced into battle. i think if an army was still necessary we could get enough volunteers to sit behind the guns and pull the triggers. > > the tyrannical majority? > > well, yes. have you never heard of this concept? The idea is that > unchecked majoritarian rule runs the risk, often realized, of denying > rights to the members of the minority. so there are times when the majority, in this case the majority of voters should be over-ruled? > This is where the role of the Courts -- particularly the federal courts > -- is so important. no judge should be appointed and no judge should hold a seat for life. > The tyranny of the majority in, for example, the Jim Crow South was first > broken by the courts -- starting with my native Delaware, in 1952, in a > decision that preceded Brown v. Board of Education by 2 1/2 years; not > until 1964, with the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, did the > peoples' representatives in Congress begin the problems that resulted from desegregation i believe have more than outweighed the advantages. all public schools should receive equal funding based on size and degree of disrepair first and then on performance. but not in the manner of rewarding the higher performing schools with more money. it's funny how we "desegregated" schools but we continue to build low income housing in which to keep the lower class away from everyone else. > > i'm working througout the system to destroy it. > > Oh, I see. I guess I was wrong; you and Guy Fawkes really *are* making > a positive contribution. my mistake. ooh yeah, that's a great comparison. you really think i would try to blow people up? i believe in the capture, torture and forced mental perversion on the enemy followed by a pardon and a life of sex and drugery. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:17:41 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: RE: fegmaniax-digest V11 #367 On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Rex.Broome wrote: > Yes, some guitars stay in tune better than others, and occasionally > there's that one song that needs that *one* guitar for its > characteristic sound, but still... d'ya think some musicians are just > more persnickety about tuning, or do they just get off on having > roadies? I'm sure it's the latter. I saw the Donnas the other night, and I was struck by how long it had been since I'd seen a band who had someone else carry their fucking bottled water on stage for them. Clearly no musical reason for that. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:23:52 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #367 on 11/12/02 11:17 AM, Aaron Mandel at aaron@eecs.harvard.edu wrote: > On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Rex.Broome wrote: > >> Yes, some guitars stay in tune better than others, and occasionally >> there's that one song that needs that *one* guitar for its >> characteristic sound, but still... d'ya think some musicians are just >> more persnickety about tuning, or do they just get off on having >> roadies? > > I'm sure it's the latter. I saw the Donnas the other night, and I was > struck by how long it had been since I'd seen a band who had someone else > carry their fucking bottled water on stage for them. Clearly no musical > reason for that. "Ladies and Gentlemen, I'd like to introduce Mr. Charlie Haj, the man who brings me my water and towels on stage." - -Tortelvis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:23:12 -0800 From: drew Subject: the young ones, mostly >From: rosso@videotron.ca > >Nick Drake says, "Ezo it written anna soysay pinkamoon >izonis way". Can't say as I disagree. Oh, good, I'd always thought I was mishearing those lyrics. >From: Michael R Godwin [I said of Rik & Ade's post-YO shows:] > > Whatever the Young Ones had -- and I have my theories, which I won't > > bore you with here -- these shows just didn't. > >Bore me! Bore me! I'm interested. Your theory looks plausible to me. I was thinking more in terms of the structure and content of the shows themselves. The Young Ones had that terrific non-sequitur Python influence going, where all sorts of bizarre one-liners and visual jokes and brief interludes bust into the story and give it this protean reality. This was part of it, I think. Also, for me at least, the musical guests, the politics, the fashions, and even the fact that they were all students really anchored it to a place and time and gave the feel of a continuous environment outside their house and in the concepts of the series. The innocence of the characters was charming, perhaps best displayed in "Time." Finally, the ensemble cast (the four boys plus Alexei Sayle) was rich in relationships, with four contrasting characters following diverse goals and having differing reactions (see "Bomb"). This kept the personalities balanced but not boring. Filthy Rich & Catflap, at least the episode I saw, suffered from a number of problems, not least of which is the appalling tendency of Rik & Ade to mug for the camera (I looked the show up online and was surprised to find that it came later than the Young Ones, since the performances were so horrible in comparison). One glaring problem is that all three main characters are predominantly sleazy, except that one is sleazy and egomaniacal, one is sleazy and unkempt, and one is sleazy and sleazy again. Amoral antihero sitcoms are not easy to pull off. For every Edina you need a Saffy, or else there's really no tension. Dead milkmen? No one really cares and no one is truly worried. The showbiz lampoon aspect felt tired, maybe because I didn't see it in 1987, I don't know. Bottom is both better and worse. The focus is even narrower (two losers get drunk and try to get laid), the characters are even more alike in temperament, goals, and attitude, and the jokes are even more predictable because the field is so bleak. I'm appalled to hear that the show went anywhere at all, but I suppose it was cheaper than The Young Ones. Bottom makes Keeping Up Appearances seem lively and teeming with surprises. >Also I think Lise stopped contributing to the scripts, so maybe >the split with Rik was important.. I'd wondered about that. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:39:23 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: RE: fegmaniax-digest V11 #367 At 10:18 AM -0800 11/12/02, Rex.Broome spake thus: >d'ya think some musicians are just more persnickety about tuning, >or do they just get off on having roadies? I've only had a guitar tech once - and let me tell you, it's *something*. (Some of you SF fegs may have seen my band's trainwreck at the Squid List 5th Anniversary party at the Great American 2 years ago.) My ignoranimus bassist had restrung all the guitars before our show, and sullied my Les Paul with 9s. (Maybe he thought the headstock said "Ibanez" or something.) So, I'm warming up downstairs a few minutes before we're supposed to go on, and pop! There goes my high-E string. It had been a stressful night already, we were running 90 minutes late, and I absolutely lost it. "THIS IS WHY I DIDN'T WANT F*CK*NG 9s ON MY F*CK*NG GUITAR!" I carried on like this for about 20 seconds, then my lead singer says, "Mike. Mike! Don't worry! Just give it to the guitar tech." "Guitar tech?" "Yes, we have a guitar tech for this show." It was like the clouds parted, and a single ray of light shone down on me as I handed off my guitar for someone else to deal with and popped open another beer. OK, it's not much of a story, but it was pretty cool at the time. Anyway, I could see getting addicted to the roadie thing. >The spelling "Donut": I spell it "[Dd]o(ugh)?nut". Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:40:17 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #367 At 1:38 PM -0500 11/12/02, spake thus: >Rex Broome wrote: >> >> So why the hell do some bands, ... have >> to have a guy hand each player a new guitar >> after every other number? > >I saw one band (ManBreak, I think) where the guitarist managed to break at >least one string per song. I don't remember him being a particularly >accomplished guitarist, just loud. > He probably played 9s. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:27:08 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: Re:DC Follies Ed Poole-- >And, speaking of whims, DC is at the mercy of Congress for its budget -- Tell it! Tell it! In the 80s, Reagan didn't like mass transit & had a serious influence on keeping our subway system from being planned so it would give us what we now desparately need. After all, the US capital was deliberately set in the middle of nowhere, literally a swamp (as we moderns do with toxic chemical plants). I know why & basically am glad, but there's never been much commerce or industry here. Plus much prime real estate is taken up w/ untaxable government buildings or parks. So the main source of income is parking tickets & Denver boots. That the Capital of the Free World, a Major Hub of Armageddon, is such a dinky burg never fails to crack me up. Even our swamps are nothing special, just mosquito filled wet spots you see if you have car trouble on Route 1. Ross Taylor As I say commas are servile and they have no life of their own,and their use is not a use, it is a way of replacing one's own interest and I do decidedly like to like my own interest my own interest in what I am doing. A comma by helping you along holding your coat for you and putting on your shoes keeps you from living your life as actively as you should lead it and to me for many years and I still do feel that way about it only now I do not pay as much attention to them, the use of them was positively degrading. -- Gertrude Stein Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:44:39 -0000 From: "melissa" Subject: Re:DC Follies, Young Ones ross taylor said: > Ed Poole-- > >And, speaking of whims, DC is at the mercy of Congress for its budget -- > > Tell it! Tell it! > > In the 80s, Reagan didn't like mass transit & > had a serious influence on keeping our subway > system from being planned so it would give us > what we now desparately need. Yes! i think it was the same irritating congressman that lead the movement to block the vote count on marijuana that also tried to get all funds for Metro held up until they reprinted everything so that it said "Ronald Reagan National Airport". I think he lost his seat in the last election though. :). I refuse to let my suburban friends identify themselves to others as being from DC. Mostly they just orbit the beltway anyway and have voting reps in Congress. I don't feel they deserve to claim DC unless they choose to put up with some of its quirks. > Plus > much prime real estate is taken up w/ > untaxable government buildings or parks. So the > main source of income is parking tickets & > Denver boots. don't forget the height restrictions! nothing downtown is much taller than 12-14 stories which also keeps DC from having a larger tax base. Watched some of the Young Ones set. Need to get it eventually. I'd forgotten how much I liked that show. Bottom though is horrible and should be avoided. I agree completely with drew's comparison to keeping up appearances. The guys are older, balder a little more tan but really not very funny. Melissa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 17:18:28 -0500 From: Eric Loehr Subject: Last Friday at Largo Robyn was one of the guest performers at Jon Brion's Largo show last Friday; both of the Friday and Saturday shows have gotten some great reviews on the Crowded House list (see http://www.mindspring.com/~crowdfan/november.html for the details if you're interested -- RH was only there on Friday). If anyone has recordings of either night, (particularly Friday) please contact me -- I've got lots of Robyn, Neil Finn, and even some Jon Brion to trade. (Hey, Elizabeth -- sorry if you've seen this three times!) Thanks! Eric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:25:47 -0500 From: Ed Subject: Re: DC Follies On Tuesday, November 12, 2002, at 03:27 PM, ross taylor wrote: > In the 80s, Reagan didn't like mass transit & > had a serious influence on keeping our subway > system from being planned so it would give us > what we now desparately need. my favorite part of Reagan's "I love my car" policy: he eliminated the tax breaks, introduced by Carter, for public transportation commuting expenses. Then he created tax breaks for the money people (excuse me, relatively high-income people) pay to rent their "own" parking space. gotta love it. - -ed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:46:45 -0500 From: Ed Subject: Democracy & its Malcontents On Tuesday, November 12, 2002, at 12:58 PM, gSs wrote: > eliminate elections. (x4) an lll-informed and easily manipulated electorate is preferable to a top-down system imposed by wide-eyed utopian dreamers. bet you could make the trains run on time, though. > >>> the tyrannical majority? >> >> well, yes. have you never heard of this concept? The idea is that >> unchecked majoritarian rule runs the risk, often realized, of denying >> rights to the members of the minority. > > so there are times when the majority, in this case the majority of > voters should be over-ruled? yup. when the majority votes that all jews should be forced to wear the yellow star? when the majority votes that homosexual sexual orientation bars one from holding a government job? when the majority votes that black americans are not permitted to assemble in groups larger than 3 people within a single building? when the majority votes that Irish-Americans must live in green houses? > >> This is where the role of the Courts -- particularly the federal >> courts >> -- is so important. > > no judge should be appointed and no judge should hold a seat for life. non sequitor. > >> The tyranny of the majority in, for example, the Jim Crow South was >> first >> broken by the courts -- starting with my native Delaware, in 1952, in >> a >> decision that preceded Brown v. Board of Education by 2 1/2 years; not >> until 1964, with the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, did the >> peoples' representatives in Congress begin > > the problems that resulted from desegregation i believe have more than > outweighed the advantages. what was it you said? urgalurgaaaahturwertses? where do the disadvantages from segregation fit into your utilitarian calculus? > >> There's simply too much to do, too much >> to understand, to have a constant stream of newcomers, with no >> institutional memory and no hope of sticking around long enough to >> master even the area that they need to serve well on a specific >> committee. > > man, yer sounding like an attorney. was it the multi-syllabic words or the marshaling of facts to support my argument that inspired this witty comment? - -ed "and to think I gave the guy free legal advice" poole ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:48:48 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: fegmaniax-digest V11 #367 Quoting "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" : > >The spelling "Donut": > > I spell it "[Dd]o(ugh)?nut". Well, that straightens everything out. I don't really mind the "donut" spelling - if only because it's not a nut made of dough anyway. What I really hate is the word "sundae": I mean, "ae" isn't even English orthography otherwise, plus it's that pusillanimous version of Christianity infecting things again... ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: it's not your meat :: --Mr. Toad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 01:04:01 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Apple Studio Display I know there are a lot of Mac people here, so I need to ask a question. I just got a 17" Studio Display (took advantage of the $400 discount from my roommate buying a 1 gig Powerbook), and need advice on calibrating it. It may simply be that I am used to a CRT, but where most text seems super sharp, some text seems a little weird, and some small icons seem weird. While I have a feeling that it is properly calibrated, I wonder if there is something I am missing. It's set to Medium font smoothing, 1.8 Standard Gamma, 'None' white point setting. Thanks. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 00:48:16 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: RE: fegmaniax-digest V11 #367 At 10:48 PM -0600 11/12/02, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey spake thus: >Quoting "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" : > >> >The spelling "Donut": >> >> I spell it "[Dd]o(ugh)?nut". > >Well, that straightens everything out. > >I don't really mind the "donut" spelling - if only because it's not a nut >made of >dough anyway. > >What I really hate is the word "sundae": I mean, "ae" isn't even English >orthography otherwise, plus it's that pusillanimous version of Christianity >infecting things again... > You know what really bugs me? It's this: I've always wondered, is "Banana Split" an noun followed by an adjective, like "Steak Tartare", or is it an adjective followed by a noun, like "Chocolate Brownie"? So I asked this local smart guy, and he says, "It's a compound noun." He totally copped out. That's what really bugs me. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 06:49:28 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #367 Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > I don't really mind the "donut" spelling - if only because it's not a nut made of > dough anyway. I think the 'nut' part just refers to it being a small lump. Small coal is nutty slack, after all. > I mean, "ae" isn't even English orthography otherwise pusillanimity aside, remind me never to discuss the aesthetics of reggae with you... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:40:43 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Democracy & its Malcontents On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Ed wrote: > On Tuesday, November 12, 2002, at 12:58 PM, gSs wrote: > > eliminate elections. (x4) > > an lll-informed and easily manipulated electorate is preferable... that's not a surprise to hear coming from an attorney. > ...to a top-down system imposed by wide-eyed utopian dreamers. but we have a system just like this today. > > the problems that resulted from desegregation i believe have more than > > outweighed the advantages. > > what was it you said? urgalurgaaaahturwertses? that was my reply to your ridiculously inflated support of the system as it stands. > where do the disadvantages from segregation fit into your utilitarian > calculus? if school funding was administered properly, segregation would never have been an issue. and where is it that most minorities would like to send their kids to school today, after all these years of desegregation? > > man, yer sounding like an attorney. > > was it the multi-syllabic words or the marshaling of facts to support > my argument that inspired this witty comment? that was truly non sequitur. your "marshaling of facts" was actually just a standard posting of common knowledge. i wanted to see how you supported your counter point. it was average at best. are you public defender? > -ed "and to think I gave the guy free legal advice" poole if i send you a check next time will you give better advice? send me a bill and i'll apply payment appropriately. sorry for the inconvenience. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:27:05 +0000 (GMT) From: "Jason S. Miller" Subject: Uncle Tupelo - I Wanna Destroy You cover I scored an MP3 copy of an Uncle Tupelo show from Munich Germany on 12/2/92 last weekend. They opened with a rather sedate version of 'I Wanna Destroy You' which I threw on my website if anyone is interested. Grab it here: http://shrouder.net/ut-destroy_you.mp3 Jason ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:34:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #367 > > I mean, "ae" isn't even English orthography otherwise On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > pusillanimity aside, remind me never to discuss the aesthetics of reggae > with you... Never mind the aesthetics, what about the aetiology? - - MRG PS Maybe the Americans don't have diphthongs. [Oh, hang on, last time I said that, someone replied that it isn't a diphthong it's a something else. So delete this PS] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:40:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Beefheart recommendations All you Beefheart unbelievers* try: 'Diddy wah diddy' (Bo Diddley) 1965 from 'The Legendary A & M Sessions' 'Evil Going On' (Howlin' Wolf) 1966 from the 5-CD 'Grow Fins' box set 'Electricity' from 'Safe as Milk' 1966 'Safe as Milk' from 'Strictly Personal' 1968 (or the less muddy re-release mix on 'I may be hungry but I sure ain't weird') 'Ella Guru' and 'Well' from 'Trout Mask Replica' 1969 'Doctor Dark' and 'One red rose that I mean' from 'Lick My Decals Off, Baby' 1970 'Click Clack' from 'Spotlight Kid' 1971 'Big Eyed Beans from Venus' from 'Clear Spot' 1972 'Owed To Alex' from 'Shiny Beast' 1978 'You used me like an Ashtray Heart' from 'Doc at the Radar Station' 1980 'Ice cream for crow' from 'Ice cream for crow' 1982 All compositions by Don Vliet except where indicated. It's probably important to go through in chronological order, otherwise you lose the development. Didn't Robyn recently say that the 1972 gig was the best live show he ever saw? Anyway, if you don't like any of these, you definitely don't like the Magic Band, and you probably don't like the Soft Boys either! I've just seen that there is a new CD of UK live performances 1972-1980. Wheeee!!! - - Mike Godwin * Kay, I'm SHOCKED ... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:27:00 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: Beefheart recommendations Couldn't agree more, Mike, though I'd make sure to include Low Yo Yo Stuff and Clear Spot from Clear Spot and Moonlight On Vermont from Trout Mask... A squid eating dough from a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous. Got me? Matt >From: Michael R Godwin >Reply-To: Michael R Godwin >To: FoamSpoonAlsatians >Subject: Beefheart recommendations >Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:40:15 +0000 (GMT) > >All you Beefheart unbelievers* try: > >'Diddy wah diddy' (Bo Diddley) 1965 from 'The Legendary A & M Sessions' >'Evil Going On' (Howlin' Wolf) 1966 from the 5-CD 'Grow Fins' box set >'Electricity' from 'Safe as Milk' 1966 >'Safe as Milk' from 'Strictly Personal' 1968 (or the less muddy >re-release mix on 'I may be hungry but I sure ain't weird') >'Ella Guru' and 'Well' from 'Trout Mask Replica' 1969 >'Doctor Dark' and 'One red rose that I mean' from 'Lick My Decals Off, >Baby' 1970 >'Click Clack' from 'Spotlight Kid' 1971 >'Big Eyed Beans from Venus' from 'Clear Spot' 1972 >'Owed To Alex' from 'Shiny Beast' 1978 >'You used me like an Ashtray Heart' from 'Doc at the Radar Station' 1980 >'Ice cream for crow' from 'Ice cream for crow' 1982 > >All compositions by Don Vliet except where indicated. It's probably >important to go through in chronological order, otherwise you lose the >development. > >Didn't Robyn recently say that the 1972 gig was the best live show he ever >saw? Anyway, if you don't like any of these, you definitely don't like the >Magic Band, and you probably don't like the Soft Boys either! > >I've just seen that there is a new CD of UK live performances 1972-1980. >Wheeee!!! > > >- Mike Godwin > > >* Kay, I'm SHOCKED ... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #368 ********************************