From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #367 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, November 12 2002 Volume 11 : Number 367 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Recording off the soundboard : That pesky XLR chochke ["Larry Tucker"] Re: Recording off the soundboard : That pesky XLR chochke ["*FS Thomas*" ] If you know time, or geography... ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Recording off the soundboard : That pesky XLR chochke [] Re: Oh Canada (various other comments added, including donuts) [grutness@] Re: Oh Canada (various other comments added, including donuts) [Christoph] DC Follies ["Poole, R. Edward" ] America-ca-ca-ca [crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com] Re: Clean, Baby Song... [rosso@videotron.ca] Re: Clean, Baby Song... [steve ] I splurged on two new CDs: new King Crimson, old Nick Drake [rosso@videot] Re: Oh Canada (various other comments added, including donuts) [Jeff Dwar] Re: Oh Canada (various other comments added, including donuts) [Ken Weing] What the heck happened in San Francisco? ["The Real Mr. Feg" ] Re: Oh Canada (various other comments added, including donuts) [Ed ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:51:38 -0500 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: Re: Recording off the soundboard : That pesky XLR chochke | |Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 23:01:48 -0800 |From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" |Subject: Re: Recording off the soundboard : That pesky XLR chochke | |At 11:21 AM -0800 11/9/02, John Barrington Jones spake thus: |>THe last few times I've asked for soundboard accesss at gigs, I've |>gotten permission, only to be SOL when they ask for my XLR connector. |> |>I don't have one! How, and where, do I get one? The ones I've seen |>other tapers use seem to be homemade or something. I am no good with |>wires and solder and such. And what exactly am I looking for? |Male, or |>female XLR to 1/8" stereo miniplug? |> |>Thanks in advance for any help you can give. |> |>And how do you really spell chochke? Its a yiddish word meaning |>trinket. I figure it starts with a T. |> |>Have a great three-day weekend, |> |>=jbj= | |You were close. Tchotchke. | |Mike, |Schlemiel-At-Large These people have just about every cable combination I've ever seen. Personally I've never used an XLR connection though. www.bhvideo.com Look under Professional Audio>Accessories>Audio Cables - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:02:45 -0500 From: "*FS Thomas*" Subject: Re: Recording off the soundboard : That pesky XLR chochke Listers: I had replied back to Michael directly, but since the thread re-surfaced: I've used an XLR to 1/8" in the past. The fun (or tough, depending on your POV) was finding a stereo-to-stereo XLR/mini. While you rarely see anyone using stereo XLR, it's nice to be able to support it if they do (and there's no down side to doing so if they don't). As far as everything else goes, when I've got the ability (read: space) to do so, I try and pack each and every kind of connecter/cable under the sun. Mini-to-mini, 1/4", RCA, XLR, etc. On a different note: B&H is a fun store to visit, too. Loads of expensive, shiny toys. - -ferris. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Tucker" To: Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 2:51 PM Subject: Re: Recording off the soundboard : That pesky XLR chochke > | > |Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 23:01:48 -0800 > |From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" > |Subject: Re: Recording off the soundboard : That pesky XLR chochke > | > |At 11:21 AM -0800 11/9/02, John Barrington Jones spake thus: > |>THe last few times I've asked for soundboard accesss at gigs, I've > |>gotten permission, only to be SOL when they ask for my XLR connector. > |> > |>I don't have one! How, and where, do I get one? The ones I've seen > |>other tapers use seem to be homemade or something. I am no good with > |>wires and solder and such. And what exactly am I looking for? > |Male, or > |>female XLR to 1/8" stereo miniplug? > |> > |>Thanks in advance for any help you can give. > |> > |>And how do you really spell chochke? Its a yiddish word meaning > |>trinket. I figure it starts with a T. > |> > |>Have a great three-day weekend, > |> > |>=jbj= > | > |You were close. Tchotchke. > | > |Mike, > |Schlemiel-At-Large > > These people have just about every cable combination I've ever seen. > Personally I've never used an XLR connection though. www.bhvideo.com > Look under Professional Audio>Accessories>Audio Cables > > -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:10:08 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: If you know time, or geography... Ed: >>i tried virginia where everybody's republican, then moved to dc >>where I couldn't vote at all, and finally to maryland where everybody's >>a democrat...so this year we get the sniper I had a weird revelation halfway through that sniper thing... when people were hearing that the victims were in DC, Virginia, and Maryland, they were envisioning a vast 3-state reign of terror, not basically a guy popping over one civic border or another. Folks seem to be especially ignorant of the geography in that area. Or maybe (probably) I just see it that way since I've spent a lot of time there. That there new DC license plate slogan is surprisingly petulant, though! _________________ Ross T: >>Speaking of a Warrior Class, does anyone know if this is really a big year for ants >>swarming? Only anecdotally... this summer our normally attrocious household ant problem hit an all-time high. I heard similar report from other inland residents of Southern California. It were awful. >>IMO "If You Know Time" is an instant classic. I'd second that. It's been stuck in my head for a week now. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:20:13 -0600 From: Marcy Tanter Subject: Re: If you know time, or geography... >_______________ > >Ross T: > >>Speaking of a Warrior Class, does anyone know if this is really a big year >for ants >>swarming? > >Only anecdotally... this summer our normally attrocious household ant >problem hit an all-time high. I heard similar report from other inland >residents of Southern California. It were awful. This is one of the worst infestations of fire ants ever recorded and they're moving north. They used to be just in the south but now they're being found in PA, MA and other places. They're horrible, horrible creatures. Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:20:38 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Recording off the soundboard : That pesky XLR chochke FS Thomas wrote: > > On a different note: B&H is a fun store to visit, too. > Loads of expensive, shiny toys. they are Linhof dealers; absurdly well-engineered German cameras that start at the price of a small car, and go up to the price of a small house. Make that two small houses if you add a digital back. Stewart (who is saving up to buy a Kiev 88...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:05:32 -0800 From: drew Subject: reprazentation >From: Ed >There are many people in the U.S. who do not >know or understand the plight of DC residents [...] > who >have no representative or Senator representing them in Congress I don't see what the big deal is...most of us have no one truly representing _us_ in Congress either. Thanks very much for the dictionary recommendations, folks! I'll let you know what I end up with, though it might not be until after Christmas. Saw Bowling for Columbine yesterday, though I really wanted to see Real Women Have Curves (and will, sooner or later). The standard criticism is that Moore is a smug infotainment goon, and I guess you could find evidence in this film to support that, but overall it was a lot better than I expected. I still have some issues with his tactics (confront people obnoxiously enough and they will respond to the confrontation and not to the issue) and his use of facts (we learn numbers about gun deaths but not how they relate to population, population density, the types of guns used, the gun laws in effect, etc.), but I think it's a mistake to ask the man to act as the sole representative of the Left and behave the way we would like him to. He has his own style and you just have to take it or leave it. If you hate him, see the film and then use it to start your own discussion. If nothing else, there's a fun Parker & Stone cartoon you might enjoy (I thought it was weak compared to the rest of the movie, but still kind of fun). After the movie and yet another attempt on my part to like Japanese food as much as imported Japanese pop culture (failed again), we finally got around to watching the extras disc in the Young Ones DVD set. The discussions of how it all got started were interesting but probably old news to most people (though Lise Mayer, it turns out, is one sexy woman). There's also episode one of Filthy Rich & Catflap (Rik Mayall as a fey version of Rick, Ade Edmondson as a grungy version of Vyvyan, and Nigel Planer as a terrific sleazy agent), which was shockingly unfunny, and episode one of Bottom (Rik Mayall as a less fey version of Rick, Ade Edmonson as a natty version of Vyvyan), which wasn't much better, though I'd heard it was hilarious. Um, nope. Whatever the Young Ones had -- and I have my theories, which I won't bore you with here -- these shows just didn't. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:23:15 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Oh Canada (various other comments added, including donuts) >Well, this dates back to 1349 and the Black Death. Up till then, villeins >were obliged to provide labour and military services to the lord of the >manor. But when a large proportion of the population died (1/3? 1/2?) >labour supply dropped dramatically, and many villeins found that they >could sell their labour instead of giving it for nothing. They often chose >to "commute" their labour services into tax payments instead. Eventually >labour services died out altogether. this is true, but it should also be remembered that Income Tax, probably the most widely known and applied form of taxation, was brought in as a temporary measure to help fund the Napoleonic Wars of the early 19th century. Has anyone mentioned Canberra (in the Australian Capital Territory), yet? >That's doubly sad, if these people think Grenada is a US territory! ;) > >There is a long-standing "statehood for DC" movement. There's even a DC >Statehood Party (which ISTR merged with the DC Green party in 2000). >Personally, I think a better solution would be to have Maryland re-absorb >the District, the way Virginia re-absorbed Alexandria and Arlington back >in the 19th Century. But the problem with this idea is that Maryland >probably wouldn't *want* the District.... there's a fairly strong statehood for Puerto Rico movement, too (and also an independence movement for it). Surprisingly, there are also independence movements in Hawaii and Alaska. I'd have guessed the first, but not the second. Oh, and - without meaning to poke too much fun at people's accents - is it true that Maryland was named after King Arthur's magician mentor? - --- >The Pentagon is constructing a computer system that could create a vast >electronic dragnet, searching for personal information as part of the hunt >for terrorists around the globe - including the United States. interesting. Especially since the implication in the article is that it's perfectly acceptable for the Pentagon to snoop on anyone else on the planet, just not on Americans... - --- >I'm not convinced either way about mandatory >civil service, but it's an interesting topic. >Regarding the conscription analogy, doesn't the >alternative to the draft risk creating a >Warrior Class that could become a dangerous >political force? I have no figures to back this up, but I'd be fairly sure that there is conscription in a higher proportion of military dictatorships than democracies. It's November. Late spring. So why is it sleeting??? James ("It's 'doughnut', dammit!") PS - do any of you overseas use the word doughnut (as a verb, even!) to mean to get a freebie (as in "I doughnutted a pass to see the soccer match")? Or is that a weird NZ only thing? James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:04:25 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Oh Canada (various other comments added, including donuts) On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, James Dignan wrote: > Oh, and - without meaning to poke too much fun at people's accents - is it > true that Maryland was named after King Arthur's magician mentor? They think that up in Baltimore; but down where I live, we know that the state was really named after the actress Norma Jeane Baker. Meanwhile, Baltimore itself was named after the Microsoft Corporation's justly famed dancing ape, Steve Ballmer. And did I mention I only got three hours of sleep last night? - --Chris, hard at work on a national holiday ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:07:38 -0500 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: DC Follies Chris Gross was heard to exclaim: > As a side note, DC residents are only partially > disenfranchised: they can > vote for president (DC is the only non-state with this right) and for > their mayor, District council and assorted other officials (though the > District government exists on Congressional sufference). I'll see your Congressional sufference and raise you several Congressional whims. Not coincidentally, following 1994's re-election of Hizzoner the Convicted Crackhead Marion "The Bitch Set Me Up" Barry as DC's mayor, the Gingrich Who Stole Home Rule essentially abolished local DC government, putting in its place a Congressionally appointed "Control Board." (I should note, so as not to be misleading, that the Control Board was appointed, officially, because of DC's chronic fiscal mismanagement and budget deficits. Per its charter, it ceased to exist in, I believe, 2001 -- once DC managed 3 straight years of balanced budgets). Although the office of Mayor and the City Council nominally continued to exist, no legislation could be enacted, nor any City funds expended without the approval of the Control Board. And they didn't stop there: just for the fun of it (and as an added insult), Gingrich decided he didn't like the fact that DC's "delegate" to Congress, Eleanor Holmes Norton, was allowed to cast votes on the floor of the House (which, in any event, were meaningless, because in the event of a tie, the DC delegate's vote would not be counted), so he stripped her of even that, largely symbolic, right. And, speaking of whims, DC is at the mercy of Congress for its budget -- which is a favorite piece of legislation to be held up in political squabbles and a dumping ground for wholly-unrelated amendments. As a result, DC has become Congress' favorite lab rat for new concepts in public policy (largely because there ain't a damn thing DC can do about it, and, of course, no one is accountable to the DC electorate if they happen not to like the experiment). So, for example, if Congress wants to see how "school choice" vouchers and charter schools might work in practice, they experiment on DC schoolchildren. (Of course, they leave it to the local government to administer & deal with the complaints when the program doesn't work). DC is also not permitted to have its own district attorney -- criminal prosecutions in DC are handled by the U.S. Attorney's office. Therefore, the federal government decides what crimes should and should not be prosecuted in DC (and, of course, plea bargaining is handled by the feds as well). Finally, although the DC Council is supposed to function much like a state legislature, in practice they can only do what Congress lets them get away with. One particularly egregious example, from the 2000 election -- DC voters placed on the ballot an initiative regarding medical marijuana. Congress was outraged. To prevent the voters from even discovering the results -- let alone being able to put into effect whatever they had voted for -- Congress passed a special law forbidding the use of funds from the DC budget to COUNT THE BALLOTS. Talk about thwarting the will of the public -- they wouldn't even let the public's will be known! OK OK, enough already. For more info, check out this interesting article (which answers Ken's question about Brasilia -- yes, the citizen's of Brazil's federal district DO have equal representation in both houses of their legislature): http://www.getthevote.org/issue/documents/15d.cfm - -ed ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. 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The >United States >as a nation can possess land that is not part of a particular >state ....hooo-eee!! Can I be facetious here? It can possess land.... ...any fuckin' damn where it damn fuckin' wants to!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:41:59 -0500 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: Clean, Baby Song... On 5 Nov 2002 at 9:38, Rex.Broome wrote: > One presumes Greta has run screaming from the list by now, but I liked Ed's > non-musical list of coolness. Oh Helly! Oh Helly! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:18:12 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: Clean, Baby Song... On Monday, November 11, 2002, at 05:41 PM, rosso@videotron.ca wrote: > Oh Helly! Oh Helly! What, is it Andy Partridge's birthday again? - - Steve __________ I know from first-hand experience that a president acting secretly usually does not have the best interests of Americans in mind. Rather, it is his own personal interests that are at stake. - John Dean, on George W. Bush ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:23:56 -0500 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: I splurged on two new CDs: new King Crimson, old Nick Drake The new King Crimson sounds a lot like Alice Cooper in spots! Nick Drake says, "Ezo it written anna soysay pinkamoon izonis way". Can't say as I disagree. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:29:56 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Oh Canada (various other comments added, including donuts) James Dignan wrote: > there's a fairly strong statehood for Puerto Rico movement, too (and > also an independence movement for it). Surprisingly, there are also > independence movements in Hawaii and Alaska. I'd have guessed the > first, but not the second. Given that Canada is between Alaska and the rest of the US, I'm not. For that matter, you could probably start a cesessionist movement of some sort in most states. Of course, in California we'd have to take Nevada with us to keep those fucking Americans out of Lake Tahoe. > James ("It's 'doughnut', dammit!") > > PS - do any of you overseas use the word doughnut (as a verb, even!) > to mean to get a freebie (as in "I doughnutted a pass to see the > soccer match")? Or is that a weird NZ only thing? The only time I've ever heard doughnut used as a verb is in reference to creating circular skid marks from car tires. And even then, it was probably donutted. God, I hate that spelling. ===== "If we don't allow journalists, politicians, and every two-bit Joe Schmo with a cause to grandstand by using 9-11 as a lame rhetorical device, then the terrorists have already won." -- "Shredder" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:51:33 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Oh Canada (various other comments added, including donuts) On Mon, Nov 11, 2002, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > James Dignan wrote: > > there's a fairly strong statehood for Puerto Rico movement, too (and > > also an independence movement for it). Surprisingly, there are also > > independence movements in Hawaii and Alaska. I'd have guessed the > > first, but not the second. > > Given that Canada is between Alaska and the rest of the US, I'm not. > For that matter, you could probably start a cesessionist movement of > some sort in most states. Of course, in California we'd have to take > Nevada with us to keep those fucking Americans out of Lake Tahoe. I bet one reason the US would never let Alaska go at this point is that it would be knocked way down in physical size, therefore making it what, #6? Of course there's always politics :) , but I think the size thing would screw with egos. - -Ken <- drives a small car ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:35:21 -0800 From: "The Real Mr. Feg" Subject: What the heck happened in San Francisco? Better late than ... on time? After a tough couple of weeks I finally have a moment to post a few thoughts about the San Francisco shows. For me, it all started on Saturday morning with a call from Cynthia who's flight was leaving Seattle later than she thought - followed by missing a call from Roberta from Baltimore who was just leaving her friends' house in Santa Rosa - and then calls from Mark Holden and Chris Franz. ...the posse starts to coalesce. What I don't tell them is that Matthew Seligman has told me that he will try to join us all for dinner before the gig - but given the vaguaries of touring I don't want to raise expectations in case he doesn't make it for some reason. As I head for the city, the communication continues ...Cynthia has landed ...Chris is in Oakland ...Jay Hedblade is at his office. I meet Cynthia at her hotel, but by then it's too late to really do anything so everyone agrees to meet at the restaurant and Cynthia and I head for the top of the Marriott hotel for a view of the city before we head off. At the Thai restaurant Jay is already waiting and as we arrive, Jim Davies jumps out of an arriving taxi and the Globe is official! Chris and Marks Holden and Gloster soon arrive, followed a little later by my friend Mimi. We had hoped to see a few more Fegs, but as the restaurant filled the possibilities for seating them dwindled. Finally, as we were holding on to just two extra places, Matthew arrived with his friend Katherine. Matthew and Katherine are both totally charming and chat with us for an hour or so, on more topics that I can remember, before heading off to find some pre-gig sushi. Matthew even showed us the pictures of Daisy which Mary scanned into her paper dolls page! Later at Slims, we run into Eclipse and her friends, Drew, Dean and Alyssa, Roberta and her friends, Dan Poppe, Stephen, and several other familar faces. You've all seen the setlist and read the reviews, so I'll just reiterate that it was a simply incredible show. As an old-timer who grew up with the Soft Boys, I've always prefered to see Robyn in this context, and boy - I was not dissapointed. As we all reeled out of the place I agreed to move hell or high water to get to the Amoeba instore the next day (up to then, I had not planned to go!). As you heard from others, the SF Amoeba performance was almost as good, and included some of the songs I wished they'd played the night before. Unprotected love, Even a bad amp and two broken strings (changed by Kimberley - their guitar tech had already gone ahead to LA) couldn't slow them. Jim, Cynthia, Chris, Eclipse, Jay, Dan and one or two others are there. Robyn's description of their fear of meeting their fans ("we're not allowed to make eye contact") seemed just a little close to the bone. All in all, a fantastic tour! I took a few pictures of the Amoeba show, which you can see here: http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=4257359503.19240466603&n=980102933 (at some point I'll get them on my own web site. For now, this is the lazy solution) I also have recordings of both performances - I plan to post mp3s to my website eventually, but I have a little processing to do first. Unfortunately both suffer from digital clipping caused by over recording - - a difficult problem to fix. I have some ideas, but if any of you veteran recordists out there have any ideas or suggestions, please get in touch. - -- Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -Pablo Picasso ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:19:52 -0800 From: "The Real Mr. Feg" Subject: SF-oops, XLR Oops, I hit send before I was done -- sorry about the typos! Heck - it will do. I'm too tired to add any more... For jbj: XLR connections on sound boards etc are significantly different to regular jack connections. They are "balanced" - that is to say the signal is *centered* around ground: signal + -------------- Ground ============== signal - -------------- To connect this *properly* you need an adapter with a transformer in it (these are usually made connect mics to non-XLR inputs) though since your portable recorder is not grounded you can just connect the input across the "+" and "-" (...that's probably what those home-made cables are). Adapters (usually to 1/4" jack) cost about $12 ea. For example: http://makeashorterlink.com/?F29512B62 G'night all. ~Nick - -- Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -Pablo Picasso ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:15:01 -0500 From: Ed Subject: Re: Oh Canada (various other comments added, including donuts) On Tuesday, November 12, 2002, at 01:51 AM, Ken Weingold wrote: > I bet one reason the US would never let Alaska go at this point is > that it would be knocked way down in physical size, therefore making > it what, #6? Of course there's always politics :) ...and there's that oil stuff everybody's talking about these days, too. - -ed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 05:26:35 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: Oh Canada (various other comments added, including donuts) Caribou too! Herbie np-> "Teacher" - --- Ed wrote: > On Tuesday, November 12, 2002, at 01:51 AM, Ken > Weingold wrote: > > > I bet one reason the US would never let Alaska go > at this point is > > that it would be knocked way down in physical > size, therefore making > > it what, #6? Of course there's always politics :) > > ...and there's that oil stuff everybody's talking > about these days, too. > > -ed ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:43:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: reprazentation On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, drew wrote: > we finally got around to watching the extras disc in the Young Ones > DVD set. The discussions of how it all got started were interesting > but probably old news to most people (though Lise Mayer, it turns > out, is one sexy woman). The only person who seems not to have noticed is her husband Angus Deayton, who apparently spends all his time snorting cocaine with prostitutes... > There's also episode one of Filthy Rich & Catflap (Rik Mayall as a fey > version of Rick, Ade Edmondson as a grungy version of Vyvyan, and Nigel > Planer as a terrific sleazy agent), which was shockingly unfunny, and > episode one of Bottom (Rik Mayall as a less fey version of Rick, Ade > Edmonson as a natty version of Vyvyan), which wasn't much better, though > I'd heard it was hilarious. Um, nope. Agreed. Very occasionally Rik and Ade do an impressive gas stove explosion or something which recalls the good old days, but essentially Bottom is a lifeless retread. Odd that the BBC has recommissioned it for series after series, unlike the original. Maybe Christopher Ryan made all the difference :) > Whatever the Young Ones had -- and I have my theories, which I won't > bore you with here -- these shows just didn't. Bore me! Bore me! I'm interested. My guess is the usual "hunger" thing, that when Rik and Lise were poverty-stricken Manchester students, they really wanted to break into TV and made sure that they wrote funny stuff. Once that was achived, it was time for the old second album, third album problem so common in the music business. Also I think Lise stopped contributing to the scripts, so maybe the split with Rik was important.. - - Mike Godwin n.p. South Of No North "Chinese White" ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #367 ********************************