From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #361 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, November 7 2002 Volume 11 : Number 361 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Did someone say "Thesaurus"? ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Did someone say "Thesaurus"? [Ken Weingold ] Re: i wish i could [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Hi All!2 [Ken Weingold ] Re: already gone that route [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Hi All!2 [Ken Weingold ] nerds: not just candy anymore [drew ] Re: Kimberley Rew: 1, Angus Young: 0 [MPys2626@aol.com] Re: Hi All!2 ["Maximilian Lang" ] Fwd: Re: OT -- Ignorance is Strength: Big Brother in Libraries [Jeffrey w] Re: FW: fegmaniax-digest V11 #359 [gSs ] Re: Kimberley Rew: 1, Angus Young: 0 ["Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a poin] Geek Chic ["R. Edward Poole" ] FW: Soft Boyz @ Slim's ["FS Thomas" ] China moves to embrace capitalists [gSs ] RE: LA Times Review ["Reynolds, Russ" ] I Got a Feeling I Dont Want to Know ["Montauk Daisy" ] FW: "Robyn" and "Hitchcock" on World Cafe ["Roberta Cowan" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 20:49:35 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Did someone say "Thesaurus"? Steve Talkowski wrote: > > http://www.visualthesaurus.com/index.jsp as one who has designed and typeset thesauruses, the Plumb Design Visual Thesaurus is the second biggest load of old wank I have ever seen*. It's just sat for more than a minute 'loading application' - aka arsing around with colour blocks. I know it was doing precisely bog all, 'cos it hasn't hit CPU or downloaded any packets. In fact, it's still saying loading, even though a random mouse click brought the bloody thing up. The words are all bobbling around -- can you say "acute word blindness simulator"? awful, awful dreadfulness. Stewart *: the biggest is Nicolai Dunger. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 20:51:51 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Kimberley Rew: 1, Angus Young: 0 Ken Weingold wrote: > > Damn. I was wondering what his solo stuff was like. Does he sing on > it? yes, sadly. The rest of it is great. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:04:25 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Watt, and bad moods... Eb: >>Opening was the indefatigable Mike Watt, playing in an unusual >>guitarless trio. He was joined by a drummer, and a keyboardist >>playing an old-school, two-level organ with a vintage Leslie speaker He's apparently recording his next "official" record with that band. Perhaps weirder, he did the Stooges covers thing again at the Shortlist show last week, this time NOT with the Asheton Bros. (who were replaced by some Hives) but WITH Iggy. So within the framework of 2002 Watt has pretty much literally been a Stooge. >>Oh, and I apologize if you felt snubbed, Rex Broome. I *was* in a >>down mood but, well, frankly, you've never pursued any degree of >>correspondence with me so I didn't feel like we had loads to talk >>about. 'Sokay. That was the vibe I got. >> I didn't look at you "in horror," but I presume you >>exaggerated that description for comic effect anyway. Yeah, guess it didn't work, huh? God, I felt like shit, too. No better today. Time to hibernate. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:16:44 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Did someone say "Thesaurus"? On Wed, Nov 6, 2002, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Steve Talkowski wrote: > > > >http://www.visualthesaurus.com/index.jsp > > as one who has designed and typeset thesauruses, the Plumb Design Visual > Thesaurus is the second biggest load of old wank I have ever seen*. It's > just sat for more than a minute 'loading application' - aka arsing around > with colour blocks. I know it was doing precisely bog all, 'cos it hasn't > hit CPU or downloaded any packets. It loaded fine for me, but I call something like that 'masturbation'. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:18:52 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: i wish i could Quoting Ken Weingold : > On Wed, Nov 6, 2002, gSs wrote: > > it makes you part of the huge pool that is so defiant of the other party > > that most will vote against them blindly.............................. ......................................................................... ......................................................................... ......................................................................... ..................................................................so yes. > > You know something, not using capitals made this really difficult to > follow. but using either lowercase or capitals is just part of the two-case system man you gotta break on through to the other side where punctuation is enough to convey meaning cuz with punctuation theres no cum stains and everyone will be free and not vote for fucking idiots or other idiots so either way idiots win and so you gotta vote for whoever you dont want to win cuz fucking winning is what they want you to do so dont do it and the colored girls sing doot do-doot do-doot do-doot doot-do-doot doot Quoting Montauk Daisy : > Jill: > >But to reach real heights of > >cool, you need to refer to your extensive collection of Guillaume Dufay > >motets as sung by Tibetan gerbils. > > Oh dear, I actually own some Guillaume Dufay... but at least Im still short > on Tibetan gerbils(the thought of Alvin and the Chipmuncks, in saffron robes > with shaved heads, doing early ren music is darn funny girl:-) > Make a great cartoon. Especially if they could also do early stimpy music! ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism np: BTVS _Once More with Feeling_ OST ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:23:36 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Hi All!2 On Wed, Nov 6, 2002, Maximilian Lang wrote: > >From: "Greta Swann" > > >THATS SO TOTALLY COOLIO! > > COOLIO? Like COOLIO the rapper? If so, how so? You're so square, Max. ;-) - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:24:40 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: already gone that route Quoting Ken Weingold : > On Wed, Nov 6, 2002, Eugene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > > > My money's on Quail... > > > > Nope. It's obvious that Greta is really Ellen Feiss. > > > > And I was like, "unh?" Those Fegs devoured my paper. It was a really good > > paper. > > That didn't work. Try this: http://tinyurl.com/2hwa ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:26:34 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Hi All!2 On Tue, Nov 5, 2002, Ken Ostrander wrote: > >Like Dylan and the Beatles my parents listen to so I'll totally > >pass on them, but I'm totally charged to find out more about some > >of the other stuff > > just because your parents listen to the beatles and dylan doesn't > mean that they suck. i assure you that they're very cool. you'll > get into them someday. Absolutely. Kay took her daughter to the Soft Boys show at Maxwells and Kay is pretty damn cool. > >And I am NOT a boy in disguise. Whoever you are Matt, you > >are a MEANIE! > > hoo boy! off come the gloves. Well if Matt's a Blue Meanie, then no contest. - -Ken NP: the CD that my roommate and some guys are mastering in the other room ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 18:32:18 -0800 From: drew Subject: nerds: not just candy anymore >From: "Poole, R. Edward" >[Rushmore] ... [Tenenbaums]... >OK, OK, I know: "there's no accounting for taste." (I've got a quote/cliche >handy for any occasion) I guess not. After I'd seen Tenenbaums I went to read some reviews to find out what I'd been missing, and was a little surprised to find most of the critics expressing the same reactions I'd had. So at least I knew I wasn't totally crazy. >OK, not to quibble excessively, but point point is thus: the people I like, >that I hang out with, that I marry, are the ones whom the world has classify >thusly. Convenient shorthand, you see, using the grandfalloon already >assigned. Yeah, I understood your point, I just used it as a springboard for one I wanted to bring up. I myself find that some people who've been classified "geeks" really appeal to me and some annoy me for a lot of the reasons they annoy those who classify them that way. Conventional geek wisdom holds that the true barometer of cool is just inverted and I don't find it to be so simple. Sometimes a geek really is a geek. > >>(eventually, you will find that the people considered the > >>"coolest" are the people who do their own thing, regardless of what the >rest > >>of the world thinks of their choices.) > > >If the rest of the world thinks their choices are "uncool," > >who is considering them the "coolest"? > >defeated by the syllogism! actually, the "people considered the 'coolest' >should have been: "the people who are truly 'cool'" -- a quasi-objective >measure of "cool" being equated with (a) self-confidence; (b) individuality; >and (c) disinterest in the concept of "coolness." Enough busting my chops, >Drew, you knew what I meant! But actually your restatement means something different. What I thought you were saying originally was that the trendsetters are people doing their own thing, and the "cool" people are the ones who follow the trendsetters, which would explain things like grunge becoming fashionable. Arguably Kurt Cobain was a "geek" but I question that, and there must be a reason that his style of dress became "cool" but, say, the Comic Book Geek's did not. Well, never mind, I've done enough off-topic damage for one day. > >It triggered one for me, too, but not the ones you and Jill > >are talking about. > >Oh, yeah? which one was that? are you drooling? ;-) Um, no. >From: "Rex.Broome" > >You guys are leaving out Bottle Rocket, which is still his best to me. It's on my Netflix queue, and should come up eventually. >But then again, I don't often like "likeable" characters and I'm mystified >by the insisistence that our art be chock full of 'em when life itself >ain't. If you want art to mirror life go watch an Andy Warhol film. Personally, I see enough loathsome people being rewarded in real life, and I don't really enjoy paying to watch the same thing happen at the movies. On the other hand, there's "likeable" and there's "likeable." I love Patsy and Edina from AbFab. Go figure. >I'm stuck with the term "cool" to describe "good" or "admirable" things. >Wish I could purge it from my lexicon, but it seems hopeless. I like "boss," myself. >From: Eb > >Lordy, GSShell's political cantankerism is tedious. How is his bragging about sexual conquests working for you? I can't decide if I'm annoyed or aroused. Probably both, that's how it usually works for me. >Reap: http://home.earthlink.net/~elbroome/art/maudlintribute.jpg :( Very sorry to hear that. Assuming I understood correctly. >From: Ken Ostrander [more on Rushmore et al.] >stalking, infidelity, ego; these are the dark recesses of the human psyche >that are given more depth and understanding here than you'll see attempted >in your big budget blockbuster. If that were true I would have loved those movies, but I didn't get a whole lot of depth or understanding out of them, personally. I saw a hell of a lot of eccentricity being used to mask the same old same old, and it was maybe more frustrating than it should have been because there was so much potential there. I got the whole "lonely people" vibe, and I was rooting to see more exploration there, but it just didn't happen for me. I just didn't see a side to Schwartzman's character that would have made me want him NOT to be lonely; instead I just wanted to punch him the whole time. Oh well. For the record, Owen Wilson is way up high on the list of people I love to see in a movie. - - Drew ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:11:25 EST From: MPys2626@aol.com Subject: Re: Kimberley Rew: 1, Angus Young: 0 >>t's not an SG. I don't remember what he was playing, if I even recognized it, but it definitely wasn't an SG. Robyn was playing a telecaster every show.<< Kimberley was playing a BEAUT of a white Straocaster last couple times I've seen him ... don't remember what he played back in 80 but that video of the guys doing _Only The Stones Remain_ from back around then is o'er The Glass Hotel ... should watch that and see now that ya got me curious and all! > BTW, Kimberley's new solo album turns all the knobs to eleven and kicks serious > butt. Seriously. I'm really enjoying it. >Damn. I was wondering what his solo stuff was like. Does he sing on >it? _Great Central Revisited_ is SO fab it's DISGUSTING! Man, I thought _Tunnel Into Summer_ was a goodun ... this one is magnificent ... and he indeed sings. Damn fine at that! Kim sings and plays songs that span the gamut from raucous R'n'B pub rockin' rave ups to a baroquey acoustic guitar instrumental to the PUREST pop this side of well ... pure pop? ... buy it and see ... Bongo Beat is the label ... Ralph Alfonso is the label's propietor ... Ralph worked at Canadian Attic back in the 80s when Kim was in Katrina and the Waves and signed to the label ... hence Kim and Ralph remaining pals ... BTW ... Bongo Beat shall release a full re-master of Kimberley's _Bible Of Bop_ and both Katrina and the Waves' Attic elpees along w/an extra video DVD disc in the new year. Dunno if both those Attic pieces shall be compiled or what ... but that video sounds real cool. bongobeat.com should offer more accurate news. There's also a great chestnut of a Kimtoon on _Driving In The Rain: 3AM (Songs To Get Lost With)_ o'er Bong Beat called _Restless Ocean_. Ralph is a great guy ... buy Kim's new elpee off him, he's also selling them on eBay as a "buy now" piece ...and no ... I'm not Bongo Beat's payroll .. I just think ALL Y'ALL should own Kimberley's latest ... hell _Tunnel Into Summer_ too! They'll both make you smile and put a little added bounce in yr step. AND ... don't mark yr calenders for the release of _Bible Of Bop_ ... that's going to be sound spectacular in it's ensuing re-mastered glory. Kimberley Rew is a treasure! Phew ... That is all! Mark You Can Chop Em Down Like Weeds ... ...But You'll Never Make Them Love You ~ R.H. http://www.mitchworldusa.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 23:47:27 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Hi All!2 >From: R. Edward Poole >To: Ken Weingold >CC: Maximilian Lang >Subject: Re: Hi All!2 >Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:34:21 -0500 > > >On Wednesday, November 6, 2002, at 09:23 PM, Ken Weingold wrote: > >>On Wed, Nov 6, 2002, Maximilian Lang wrote: >>>>From: "Greta Swann" >>> >>>>THATS SO TOTALLY COOLIO! >>> >>>COOLIO? Like COOLIO the rapper? If so, how so? >> >>You're so square, Max. ;-) >> >> >>-Ken >> >ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. thanks, Ken. > >sorry, Max, just remember: "it's HIP to be a square!" And baby, I don't care. Enough, Max _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:50:48 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Fwd: Re: OT -- Ignorance is Strength: Big Brother in Libraries From a librarian friend of mine: > And I'm not allowed to comment on > that story, but folks who use libraries in the US had best have a peek at > sections 214-216 of the USA PATRIOT act if they're not yet so acquainted. > Here are some resources: http://www.llrx.com/features/usapatriotact.htm (old, but a good intro) source: Law Library Resource Exchange http://www.ala.org/alaorg/oif/fbiinyourlibrary.html source: Office of Intellectual Freedom, American Library Association I read that Hartford story yesterday and wasn't at all surprised, - ----- End forwarded message ----- ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: it's not your meat :: --Mr. Toad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:57:36 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: FW: fegmaniax-digest V11 #359 On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, R. Edward Poole wrote: > >> "in the land of the free..." > > > > exactly, freedom has empowered us to shape our system as we see fit. or > > are you in disagreement with us determining what is best for us? > > not at all -- I just don't include involuntary conscription into > government service as "us" determining what is best for "us." once term limits are set and we have review boards to police spending and all the other forms any political hanky panky like influence peddling for instance, then i think we will be much more receptive to things like madatory civil service and the elimination of politics as a profession. > Funny how you only included the "kinda complicated but realistic" part of > your original quote -- as if _that's_ what I was objecting to. heh, > good one. it was becuase it was the last line and i didn't want to include the whole damn note. if i was trying to insult you i would do it much more directly. jeez, lighten up francis. i was just trying to shorten the note. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 17:33:58 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: Re: Kimberley Rew: 1, Angus Young: 0 At 4:00 PM -0500 11/6/02, Ken Weingold spake thus: >It's not an SG. I don't remember what he was playing, if I even >recognized it, but it definitely wasn't an SG. Robyn was playing a >telecaster every show. I believe Kimberley played a strat at SF Amoeba. (Or something with a strat-style body, at least.) >> BTW, Kimberley's new solo album turns all the knobs to eleven and kicks >>serious >> butt. Seriously. I'm really enjoying it. > >Damn. I was wondering what his solo stuff was like. Does he sing on >it? I have "Tunnel Into Summer" and like it very much. Not mind-blowing by any means, but still a nice listen from start to finish. "The Bible Of Bop" I can't stand, though. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 04:57:11 -0500 From: "R. Edward Poole" Subject: Geek Chic On Tuesday, November 5, 2002, at 10:00 PM, Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat wrote: > >> And Kay, geekcool is the ultimate cool. Just imagine Morrissey back >> in >> 1979 with an air guitar in his bedroom. > > Or look at the Buzzcocks! Have you ever seen a picture of those guys? do I smell a thread coming on? My favorite cool geeks (from the music world): David Byrne Mark Mothersbaugh Andy Partridge John Flansburgh & John Linnell Adrian Belew Thomas Dolby Henry Kaiser Dean Wareham Gordon Gano - -ed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 06:57:59 -0500 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: FW: Soft Boyz @ Slim's Don't know if anyone on the list went last night, but an old room mate from college caught the Boys at Slim's last night and this is his take: - -----Original Message----- From: Adam Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 1:34 AM To: FS Thomas Subject: Soft Boyz @ Slim's Hello there I caught the Boys last Saturday in the city. Great show, but not perfect. They played all the best known and loved stuff, like Rock N Roll Toilet, I Wanna Be An Anglepoise Lamp (formerly I Wanna Be a Seven-Winged Bat), I Wanna Destroy You, Queen Of Eyes, and (my favorite) Only The Stones Remain. They also played some of the new disc, probably three or four songs. I was kind of surprised that the show seemed to be as much a Robyn and the Egyptians concert as it was a Soft Boys show. Probably at least half of the material they did was from his solo records, or with the Egyptians, which was cool, but they weren't all that tight on some of the songs. Robyn goofed at least twice on vocals, coming in too early and throwing off the rest of the band. Kimberly Rew was awesome; manic, spastic, and definitely the most fun to watch. The crowd was enthusiastic and loud, we called them out for two encores which the band seemed to really appreciate. They saved the best for last. playing a great version of Dylan's Oh Mama to end the second encore. All in all, much fun. I should have gone to see them on Sunday at Ameoba, because I ended up going to the Berkeley Ameoba store the next day anyway. Oh well. That's it from out this way. Be good. ~Adam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:30:57 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: China moves to embrace capitalists Julie Chao - Cox Asia Correspondent Thursday, November 7, 2002 Beijing --- As the Communist Party prepared to open its National Congress on Friday, international attention is focused on President Jiang Zemin and the degree to which he will cede power to a new generation of leaders. But another fundamental change will take place, too, as the party formally recognizes that it needs private entrepreneurs to ensure its long-term survival. The notion that the Communist Party must also represent capitalists --- derided in Marxist ideology as the exploiting class --- will be enshrined as a guiding principle in the party's constitution, along with Marxism, Leninism, Mao Zedong Thought and Deng Xiaoping Theory. Coined ''Three Represents,'' the theory is meant to be Jiang's legacy. http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/epaper/editions/thursday/ news_d3ac8088506b406a10a1.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:17:20 -0800 From: "Reynolds, Russ" Subject: RE: LA Times Review I only saw one set list from this show (from Rex) and I don't recall seeing anything by Love on there. Can anyone recall what song this was? Rex's set list follows... Hear My Brane Queen of Eyes Kingdom of Love Mr. Kennedy My Mind is Connected... Strings Pulse of My Heart Narcissus When I Was a Kid Disconnection of the Ruling Class Unprotected Love Chinese Bones Anglepoise/Severed Winged Bat Man with the Lightbulb Head Insanely Jealous I Wanna Destroy You Underwater Moonlight _______ ? (One of the above songs) If You Know Time ____ Memphis Blues Again Om (the actual closer) > -----Original Message----- > From: David Paris [mailto:davidparis@earthlink.net] > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:18 PM > To: fegmaniax@smoe.org > Subject: LA Times Review > > > Oops, one more time..... > > POP MUSIC REVIEW > Soft Boys prove they're revived and kicking > The band mixes new and old tunes, plus guitar work as > distinctive as its > lyrics. > > > http://www.calendarlive.com/nightlife/reviews/cl-et-natalie6no v06.story By Natalie Nichols, Special to The Times Last year, English cult-pop figure Robyn Hitchcock and his early band the Soft Boys delighted fans and impressed critics with a reunion tour. This year the players released a fine new album, "Nextdoorland," and during the group's performance Monday at the House of Blues, the material proved as contemporary as anything by all these young "rock revival" acts. In a 90-minute set, Hitchcock and guitarist Kimberley Rew, bassist Matthew Seligman and drummer Morris Windsor mixed new tunes with selections from their seminal 1980 collection "Underwater Moonlight" and songs by Love and Bob Dylan. Singer-songwriter Hitchcock has a reputation for eccentricity, fueled mainly by his use of freaky metaphors involving such un-pop things as insects, bones and aquatic life to explore ordinary emotional situations such as unrequited love and suburban childhood drama. But on Monday his guitar work, while perhaps equally quirky, was as distinctive as his lyrical imagery. On such new tunes as "Mr. Kennedy" and older favorites such as "Insanely Jealous," he and Rew engaged in electrifying give-and-take, often spinning into a warped jam-band sprawl while contrasting guttural, Stones-esque blues-rock licks with jangling, angular riffs reminiscent of Wire or Television. And, yes, they played the seminal antiwar song "I Wanna Destroy You" (dedicated to Bush and Co., just like last year), but by then the band had proved it was capable of much more than revisiting the old days with enthusiasm and panache. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 16:40:29 +0000 From: "Montauk Daisy" Subject: I Got a Feeling I Dont Want to Know Rushmore and Tennenbaums: I loved the latter but thought the former was uneven, thou its ending was good. Part of the reason I may have liked the Tennenbaums better was that it had a female I could relate to in it. Also a hawk. I love raptors. - ------------------------------. I like geek cause, like freak, its origin is for a truelly odd human. It means a character who is just different enough to make others uncomfortable but also curious. At its fartherst extreme think of the Elephant Man screaming "I am a human being." Think of the movie "Freaks." Or obviously - -- Ossie Osbourne and his on- stage eating habits. It dosnt just mean nerd to me. It means something that goes deeper. - -------------------------------- Rex: >My problem is that it equates quality with emotional aloofness, right? That has its >place: you could describe the Velvet Underground as "cool" Hmmmm--Id say the tension that made the VU so good was the shifting emotional levels, not their "coolness." My favorite VU album is the third, and don't tell me "Pale Blue Eyes," "Im Set Free" or "Beginning to See the L:ight"(hmmmm, or for tha mattert - "Herion" or "Sunday Morning") or most of the other songs are emotionally aloof, off-kilter maybe, and occaisonally goofy, but not really aloof. Like some of Robyn's stuff, like alot of Dylan's stuff, they are full to the brim with emotion, emotions the singer is trying to distance himself from, sometimes even tells himself he has distanced himself from .. bu really, he hasn't and he can't. The songs center around that failure, the emotions that are not, but are there The songs' life, their power, their worth is in that failure. Their failure is their sucess. Nico, I give you. Nico's whole schtick was aloofness. But the content is not the delivery. And she was only on a few songs on the first albumn. For all the good bands the VU are responsible for, they are also responsible for too many bands that have thought sunglasses, pallor and a deadened voice singing stupid, easy, trangressive lyrics make for quality. Sigh. - --------------------------------------- Ken-- How horrible that must have been for your wife and you. Sometimes I think money is the most dangerous drug on the planet. - ----------------------------------- Randi , welcome back. Kay _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:51:10 -0500 From: Subject: Re: I Got a Feeling I Dont Want to Know Montauk Daisy wrote: > > I like geek cause, like freak, its origin > is for a truly odd human. Sorry to disappoint you, but 'geek' is just Old Scots for 'fool'. cf Dutch 'geck' == crazy. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:02:51 -0500 From: "Roberta Cowan" Subject: FW: "Robyn" and "Hitchcock" on World Cafe Hello all, I found this in my mailbox today--maybe it will help with the World Cafe recording. Roberta World Cafe -- November 8, 2002 http://www.worldcafe.org * The Pretenders Stop Your Sobbing * The Kinks Tired of Waiting * Robyn Hitchcock So You Think You re In Love * Katrina & The Waves Walking on Sunshine * Softboys Hear My Brain , Mr Kennedy , Sudden Town , If You Know Time * Tori Amos A Sorta Fairytale * Joseph Arthur Honey and the Moon * Starsailor Tie Up My Hands * Raul Malo Every Little Thing About * Susan Tedeschi Gonna Move * Keb Mo She Just Wants To Dance * Bonnie Raitt Fool s Game * Duncan Sheik On a High * Todd Rundgren Love of the Common Man * The Bigger Lovers A Simple How Are You * Robin Pluer C Mon Boy * Ernie K-Doe A Certain Girl * Trey Anastasio Cayman Review * David Byrne Dirty Old Town ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:21:16 -0800 (PST) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Daniel Johnston I just discovered Daniel Johnston this week, and much to my dismay, I'm diggin'. I think alot of Johnston's word choice and cadence remind me of Syd Barrett. He seems to be above Wesley Willis but below Barrett and Kristin Hersh on the mentally anguished songwriter scale. I have been listening to the new album "Rejected Unknown", and then went out and bought "Fun" (which was released on Atlantic!!). It is disappointing that Johnston is not allowed to play his instrument on the record (again, I'm extrapolating here). It sounds like the record company hired someone who could produce and play instruments and arrange Johnston's songs. The only songs in which Johnston plays piano and keyboards on "Fun" are short 1 minute + songs that are designed to show the "weird" or "offbeat" aspects of Johnston's songwriting. I think I like "Rejected Unknown" better - we get to see the singing, writing, AND _playing_ of Johnston, in a "non major label" environment. I don't know if this is COOL or not. I kinda doubt it. But if you still hear the songs in your head that you made up when you were 6 or 7, and wonder what they might sound like now if you updated them, Daniel Johnston might be the artist for you. :) =jbj= ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #361 ********************************