From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #359 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, November 6 2002 Volume 11 : Number 359 Today's Subjects: ----------------- I wish that I was just paranoid [steve ] Re: world cafe [dances with virgos ] RE: fegs and lamb [gSs ] Re: i wish i could [gSs ] Re: world cafe [dances with virgos ] Dali and the Chipmuncks ["Montauk Daisy" ] Re: already gone that route ["Jason R. Thornton" ] LA Times Review ["David Paris" ] Re: i wish i could [Christopher Gross ] LA Times Review ["David Paris" ] Re: LA Times Review [] Soft Boys Information from LA-LA Land ["Greg Ranocchia" ] Music reviews [Ken Weingold ] Re: Music reviews [] Still no OS X [Mike Swedene ] OT -- Ignorance is Strength: Big Brother in Libraries ["ross taylor" ] Re: Music reviews [Ken Weingold ] Re: i wish i could [Ken Weingold ] What the ... ["Montauk Daisy" ] Jason Keene, Man of Action ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Music reviews [] Re: Music reviews [Ken Weingold ] one hit to the body [drew ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:52:52 -0600 From: steve Subject: I wish that I was just paranoid Welcome back to Cracker America, or as Joe Conason says - > Now the Democratic voters who chose not to show up Tuesday are going > to find out what their decision meant, in a country ruled by George W. > Bush, Trent Lott and Tom DeLay. From drilling in Alaska to regressive > taxation to unilateral war, the agenda of the corporate and religious > right will shape our future. - - Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 09:55:37 -0500 From: dances with virgos Subject: Re: world cafe when we last left our heroes, Thomas Rodebaugh exclaimed: >i get the digest, so possibly this has been posted before, but the soft >boys are going to be on the world cafe program on wxpn (philly) on >11/8/02. i gather other areas get this program, too. the upcoming guests page also has them listed for november 15th too. >and there are multiple webcasts. can someone mp3 this? most of the public radio stations have lo-fi windows media streams, but at least one, last time i checked, has a good quality windows media stream. i don't think any of the stations that carry the world cafe have a mp3 stream though. the world cafe is not broadcast in connecticut, but i'll grab that stream if it's still around and can distribute wma files easily enough. of course, if someone can record the show off the air, that should be better quality than a 128kbit wma stream. i'd certainly appreciate it if someone could do that and make me an audio cd or, better yet, the aiff/wav files (whether compressed as shn or not). speaking of which, has anyone recorded any of the recent radio sessions directly off the air? woj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:24:52 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: RE: fegs and lamb On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Poole, R. Edward wrote: > >Like, I can't believe cool > >people like you will tell me what the really cool stuff is you > >listen to . Its like you are all cool dudes but don't > >care that I'm not cool yet. you're now part of a hands-on training in cool that the feg list supplies at no charge, normally. > Well, here's the thing. I, for one, am entirely NOT "cool," and I'm very > comfortable with that. cool people got no reason. when i think of what all the cool people from hs are doing now, i realize a lot of them aren't so cool anymore. i guess i was somewhat cool, but then i was in a band, played football, smoked pot and had sex with colored girls. i'll try to leave out a bit of detail but the only real problem i ever had during hs was after intercourse, if i got dressed real quick, which often happened as a result of location, sometimes a little after intercourse seepage would occur and slightly stain me jeans. even if i would fold it funny and occasionaly adjust the the position or placement, i still had to use bleach. i guess i'm lucky as that is the worst thing, except for when those kids killed themselves, i can remember about school. though i do remember waking up once in class after a short snooze and not knowing were the hell i was because as the class was changing the instructor had asked everyone to be quiet so as not to wake me up. when i finally did wake up everyone was different. that was a good one. and then another time i fell asleep and when i awoke i had a big drool puddle on my desk. it was a right-handed desk. why didn't we ever complain about the right-handed desks? i know you folks were all hoping to read something like that. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:54:34 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: i wish i could > Welcome back to Cracker America, or as Joe Conason says - well, if you sorry assed partisan motherfuckers would take more time to research the candidates, stop following rose colored shadows and voting straight party tickets, something worthwhile might come from an election. it is a vicious circle and most poeple can't see beyond the person in front of them or the lane they are using to make the loop. jeezus fucking christ, anyone who keeps voting for either democrats or republcans and then becomes extremely disappointed when the "other party" wins, deserves the misery because it is your fault. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 10:56:00 -0500 From: dances with virgos Subject: Re: world cafe >the upcoming guests page also has them listed for november 15th too. i just heard back from the world cafe folks -- the november 15th date is a mistake. the broadcast was moved up to november 8th. woj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 16:01:32 +0000 From: "Montauk Daisy" Subject: Dali and the Chipmuncks Jill: >But to reach real heights of >cool, you need to refer to your extensive collection of Guillaume Dufay >motets as sung by Tibetan gerbils. Oh dear, I actually own some Guillaume Dufay... but at least Im still short on Tibetan gerbils(the thought of Alvin and the Chipmuncks, in saffron robes with shaved heads, doing early ren music is darn funny girl:-) Make a great cartoon. - ------------------- MikeK: >my Kai Kln album Whats that? - --------------- Ed -- you are -so- cool:-) - --------- Kay _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 08:09:55 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: already gone that route > > Tell me this is Eddie Tews in disguise... > >My money's on Quail... >****************************************************** > >Yeah, that's where my money was, too, but he has been silent since I >inquired. Hmm. "Greta" is an anagram of "great," and both swans and quails are birds... A JOHN TORN SNOT ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:14:55 -0800 From: "David Paris" Subject: LA Times Review November 6, 2002 E-mail story Print POP MUSIC REVIEW Soft Boys prove they're revived and kicking The band mixes new and old tunes, plus guitar work as distinctive as its lyrics. Search clubs & bars: Live Music Sports Bar Hotel Bar Pub Dance Club Comedy Club Casino Food Served Gay Friendly Outdoor Patio Pool/Darts ---------------------- Select an area: All AreasDowntown / Eastside Hollywood / WeHo Los Feliz Silver Lake Mid-Wilshire Westside Santa Monica San Fernando Valley Burbank Glendale San Gabriel Valley Pasadena South Bay Long Beach Orange County Riverside County San Bernardino Co. Ventura County Search by venue name: Search club events: Live Jazz Live Pop/Rock ----------------------Comedy Dance Clubs Gay & Lesbian Glam Goth/Industrial Hip-Hop Karaoke Latin/Salsa Retro Rock ----------------------Bar Events Select an area: All AreasDowntown / Eastside Hollywood / WeHo Los Feliz Silver Lake Mid-Wilshire Westside Santa Monica San Fernando Valley Burbank Glendale San Gabriel Valley Pasadena South Bay Long Beach Orange County Here's the LA Times review of the show... I can't believe I missed it. Perhaps I should make the trek from Santa Barbara to see Thursday's Largo show. Can one get in without dinner reservations? http://www.calendarlive.com/nightlife/reviews/cl-et-natalie6nov06.story By Natalie Nichols, Special to The Times Last year, English cult-pop figure Robyn Hitchcock and his early band the Soft Boys delighted fans and impressed critics with a reunion tour. This year the players released a fine new album, "Nextdoorland," and during the group's performance Monday at the House of Blues, the material proved as contemporary as anything by all these young "rock revival" acts. In a 90-minute set, Hitchcock and guitarist Kimberley Rew, bassist Matthew Seligman and drummer Morris Windsor mixed new tunes with selections from their seminal 1980 collection "Underwater Moonlight" and songs by Love and Bob Dylan. Singer-songwriter Hitchcock has a reputation for eccentricity, fueled mainly by his use of freaky metaphors involving such un-pop things as insects, bones and aquatic life to explore ordinary emotional situations such as unrequited love and suburban childhood drama. But on Monday his guitar work, while perhaps equally quirky, was as distinctive as his lyrical imagery. On such new tunes as "Mr. Kennedy" and older favorites such as "Insanely Jealous," he and Rew engaged in electrifying give-and-take, often spinning into a warped jam-band sprawl while contrasting guttural, Stones-esque blues-rock licks with jangling, angular riffs reminiscent of Wire or Television. And, yes, they played the seminal antiwar song "I Wanna Destroy You" (dedicated to Bush and Co., just like last year), but by then the band had proved it was capable of much more than revisiting the old days with enthusiasm and panache. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 11:15:39 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: i wish i could On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, gSs wrote: > front of them or the lane they are using to make the loop. jeezus fucking > christ, anyone who keeps voting for either democrats or republcans and > then becomes extremely disappointed when the "other party" wins, deserves > the misery because it is your fault. So let me see if I understand you correctly. You're saying that because I generally vote for Democrats, it's my fault when Republicans win. Yes? - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:18:09 -0800 From: "David Paris" Subject: LA Times Review Oops, one more time..... POP MUSIC REVIEW Soft Boys prove they're revived and kicking The band mixes new and old tunes, plus guitar work as distinctive as its lyrics. http://www.calendarlive.com/nightlife/reviews/cl-et-natalie6nov06.story By Natalie Nichols, Special to The Times Last year, English cult-pop figure Robyn Hitchcock and his early band the Soft Boys delighted fans and impressed critics with a reunion tour. This year the players released a fine new album, "Nextdoorland," and during the group's performance Monday at the House of Blues, the material proved as contemporary as anything by all these young "rock revival" acts. In a 90-minute set, Hitchcock and guitarist Kimberley Rew, bassist Matthew Seligman and drummer Morris Windsor mixed new tunes with selections from their seminal 1980 collection "Underwater Moonlight" and songs by Love and Bob Dylan. Singer-songwriter Hitchcock has a reputation for eccentricity, fueled mainly by his use of freaky metaphors involving such un-pop things as insects, bones and aquatic life to explore ordinary emotional situations such as unrequited love and suburban childhood drama. But on Monday his guitar work, while perhaps equally quirky, was as distinctive as his lyrical imagery. On such new tunes as "Mr. Kennedy" and older favorites such as "Insanely Jealous," he and Rew engaged in electrifying give-and-take, often spinning into a warped jam-band sprawl while contrasting guttural, Stones-esque blues-rock licks with jangling, angular riffs reminiscent of Wire or Television. And, yes, they played the seminal antiwar song "I Wanna Destroy You" (dedicated to Bush and Co., just like last year), but by then the band had proved it was capable of much more than revisiting the old days with enthusiasm and panache. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:36:30 -0500 From: Subject: Re: LA Times Review David Paris quoted the LA Times: > > ... the seminal antiwar song "I Wanna Destroy You" coo, I'm slow; it's only now I realise what that's about. Duh. I just thought it was about someone they didn't like very much. The lyrics are amusingly misquoted on A Goo Goo Dolls fan site: A box upon the media And everything you read They tell you your opinions And they're very good indeed (from ) What kind of box? ;-) Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:40:30 -0800 From: "Greg Ranocchia" Subject: Soft Boys Information from LA-LA Land A Fun night in LA... Amoeba was fun, you could have even followed around = Matthew around the store if you wanted to see the 8 CD's he was shopping = for! ... I know what he bought, I know what he bought! The Largo was = great as usual, just started very very late.. and went very very late. = Here is the set lists. Amoeba Records - Hollywood Instore Concert 11/5/02 I Love Lucy Pulse of My Heart Mr. Kennedy Unprotected Love My Mind if Connected to Your Dreams Sudden Town Strings Japanese Captain [played for the 1st time this tour The Largo - Hollywood 11/5/02 1st Set Narcissus Stuck inside of Mobile with the Memphis Blues Again [Dylan] Unprotected Love Chinese Bones Each of her Silver Wands Japanese Captain [played on the second time for this tour] Disconnection of the Ruling Class The Bells of Rhymney [Byrds] Sudden Town Vegetable Man [Barrett] The Man with the Lightbulb Head ["...sort of a follow up to Vegetable = Man, written by me..."] 2nd Set I Often Dream of Trains [Robyn and Kimberly only] ... the rest of the band Rock 'n' Roll Toilet Insanely Jealous Queen of Eyes [in/out - devout version] Underwater Moonlight Only the Stones Remain I Wanna Destroy You [Suck on this Mr. Cheney] Kingdom of Love If you know the Time [New song] Kototh kototh@sbcglobal.net I've added an extra ingredient, just for you. The Merciless Peppers of = Quetzlzacatenango, grown deep in the jungle primeval by the inmates of a = Guatemalan insane asylum! - Police Chief Clancy Wiggum [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/bmp which had a name of pepper.bmp] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:49:56 -0800 (PST) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: already gone that route > From: Jill Brand > Subject: already gone that route > > To whoever wrote: > > > Tell me this is Eddie Tews in disguise... > > My money's on Quail... Nope. It's obvious that Greta is really Ellen Feiss. And I was like, "unh?" Those Fegs devoured my paper. It was a really good paper. . HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:55:43 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: already gone that route On Wed, Nov 6, 2002, Eugene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > > My money's on Quail... > > Nope. It's obvious that Greta is really Ellen Feiss. > > And I was like, "unh?" Those Fegs devoured my paper. It was a really good > paper. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:06:17 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Music reviews Is it just I or is it really annoying that all music reviews seem to have to precede pretty much every noun with an adjective? I really think it's a bit much. Or is that the definition of music reviews and I should just not read them if I don't like it? - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:41:17 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Music reviews Ken Weingold wrote: > > Or is that the definition of music reviews and > I should just not read them if I don't like it? adjectives are the stock of the music writer. For your enjoyment, then, I present to you the LA Times review, bowdlerized of all the adjectives and adjectival phrases I could find. > Robyn Hitchcock and his band the Boys delighted > fans and impressed critics with a tour. This year > the players released an album, "Nextdoorland," > and during the group's performance Monday at the > House of Blues, the material proved as > contemporary as anything by all these acts. > In a set, Hitchcock and Kimberley Rew, Matthew > Seligman and Morris Windsor mixed tunes with > selections from their collection "Moonlight" and > songs by Love and Bob Dylan. > Hitchcock has a reputation for eccentricity, > fueled mainly by his use of metaphors involving > such things as insects, bones and life to explore > situations such as love and drama. But on Monday > his work was as distinctive as his imagery. > On such tunes as "Mr. Kennedy" and favorites such > as "Insanely Jealous," he and Rew engaged in > give-and-take, often spinning into a sprawl while > contrasting licks with riffs. > And, yes, they played the song "I Wanna Destroy > You" but by then the band had proved it was > capable of much more than revisiting the days > with enthusiasm and panache. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:27:18 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Still no OS X Here is where I stand... or sit.... all confused like: Installation seemingly ok, but on restart the "xxx's computer window" and hd icons appear (I'm feeling hopeful at this point)... but then the half built desktop is replaced by the blue background and fancy twirly icon(I'm feeling a little confused) and then the swirly thing turns into an arrow... I can see ever so briefly the icons on my desktop. I have since removed all peripherals and 2nd party memory and tried booting it that way. no dice. The restart solutions (holding d or c) did not work. I guess my error lies in the fact that BOTH OSs are on the main drive. I should have thought it through more clearly but it seemed the thing to do at 1 in the morning with a term paper I need on the hard drive. IS there any way to delete OS X off my drive? Or am I being too harsh already. I appreciate the help. Mike ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 13:38:09 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: OT -- Ignorance is Strength: Big Brother in Libraries Still gagging from election results, I stumbled onto this-- http://www.ctnow.com/features/lifestyle/hc-privacy1103.artnov03col.story Welcome to our new country. Libraries are one of the places you go to find out the truth. Among the other things this does, it is a step towards intimidating us about inquiring. If true, this is a bigger victory for Them than it looks, because in the past 25+ years libraries & librarians have been some of the fiercest defenders of freedom from interference w/ research. Our librarians won't tell us what fines our daughter owes. I was at the Library of Congress in the 1980s when the FBI tried to intimidate employees into cooperating w/ covert surveillance of readers & there was real resistance. Sorry. Post-election blurt. Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:56:53 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: i wish i could On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Christopher Gross wrote: > So let me see if I understand you correctly. You're saying that because I > generally vote for Democrats, it's my fault when Republicans win. Yes? it makes you part of the huge pool that is so defiant of the other party that most will vote against them blindly. whether or not they know anything about their party's canididate. it's like an addiction and is the single biggest reason why today things are just the same as they ever were. they get this hysteria flowing that makes people think the fucking sky is gonna fall if anyone from the other party gets elected. it is one of the main things that holds partisanship together, fear. and for everyone of these, there is an opposing one of those. systems as fastened and intricate as this one take time to change unless they are under some type of extreme duress. we have to eliminte the two party system by not being a part in the two party system. and then setting term limits and for instance review boards of citizens to police the officials they elect and eventually to eliminate the election system, replacing it with a mandatory civil service system in which citizens are essentially assigned positions in government, local, regional and national which they will hold for a specific amount of time. no party system, no fraud, no campaign fund raising, no politically manipulative special interests, no elections, no bullshit. kinda complicated but realistic. so yes. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:00:37 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Music reviews > adjectives are the stock of the music writer. For your enjoyment, > then, I present to you the LA Times review, bowdlerized of all the > adjectives and adjectival phrases I could find. Well I didn't need ALL of them removed, but I mean the absolute barrage of them. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:06:53 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: i wish i could On Wed, Nov 6, 2002, gSs wrote: > it makes you part of the huge pool that is so defiant of the other party > that most will vote against them blindly. whether or not they know > anything about their party's canididate. it's like an addiction and is the > single biggest reason why today things are just the same as they ever > were. they get this hysteria flowing that makes people think the fucking > sky is gonna fall if anyone from the other party gets elected. it is one > of the main things that holds partisanship together, fear. and for > everyone of these, there is an opposing one of those. systems as fastened > and intricate as this one take time to change unless they are under some > type of extreme duress. we have to eliminte the two party system by not > being a part in the two party system. and then setting term limits and > for instance review boards of citizens to police the officials they elect > and eventually to eliminate the election system, replacing it with a > mandatory civil service system in which citizens are essentially assigned > positions in government, local, regional and national which they will hold > for a specific amount of time. no party system, no fraud, no campaign fund > raising, no politically manipulative special interests, no elections, no > bullshit. kinda complicated but realistic. so yes. You know something, not using capitals made this really difficult to follow. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 19:08:11 +0000 From: "Montauk Daisy" Subject: What the ... Ross Thanks for that library article. After 7/11 FBI agents came by the Philly Library. Staff was told this was because they thought our computers had been used by some patron for terrorism-realated activities. The computers were shut down for awhile, I dont rememebr if anyone worked on them or not. We've been told nada. Our computers are used for lost of activies. Travelers getting in touch with back home, game-playing, a few hookers use us to set up their dates, lots of chat and e-mail, even occaisonly people doing research or checking the catalog. My first impulse is to pity the poor fool who has to read thru all this crap(including this.) My second is to get angry that my tax dollers are being wasted on a multitude of such poor fools looking for a needle in such a huge hay stack. Then my third reaction is to get really really pissed. Im one of those people who think theres a privacy right inherent in the Bill of Rights. Is this legal? Cause it shouldn't be if it is. Im figuring the American Library Association will get involved. They have a good record on such issues. Kay, not a happy librarian _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:10:24 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Jason Keene, Man of Action Jason Keene, Man of Action: This is apparently how Robyn's billing himself for the Largo solo show... Won't be there as the Soft Boys seem to have turned my cold into an ear infection... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:38:19 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Music reviews Ken Weingold wrote: > > Well I didn't need ALL of them removed, > but I mean the absolute barrage of them. I know. I was being silly. Maybe online reviews should trigger a simple filter that checks for key words, and would generate the following alert: Warning! The following live music review uses the word "seminal" more than once. Do you wish to delete it unread? [Y]/N Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:48:26 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Music reviews On Wed, Nov 6, 2002, scruss@sympatico.ca wrote: > > Well I didn't need ALL of them removed, > > but I mean the absolute barrage of them. > > I know. I was being silly. Maybe online reviews should trigger a simple filter that checks for key words, and would generate the following alert: > > > Warning! The following live music review uses the word > "seminal" more than once. > Do you wish to delete it unread? [Y]/N Would be nice, but it wouldn't help. I think the writers sit there with a thesaurus, as not to repeat the same adjective twice. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 12:05:25 -0800 From: drew Subject: one hit to the body I'm hooked on the new Suede album, damn it. I love it but I don't respect it. The only tracks I can wholeheartedly recommend are "Lost In TV" and "Lonely Girls," while the rest is all guilty pleasure. It sounds slightly less vapid this time around but there's still this hollow feeling about it all. Also my favorite new-Suede game, where I sing along with Brett using a Bowie voice, is harder to play with these songs. >From: "Poole, R. Edward" [Rushmore] >But the writing is very strong. I'm not sure I think the writing is weak or bad, just unappealing and not half as funny as it should be (maybe these opinions are linked). In both Rushmore and Tenenbaums, I felt that the setup, though suffused with that New England class-consciousness thing that seems to be Anderson/Wilson's subject, was great fun and very promising, and then there was no payoff because the plots and dynamics seemed familiar and predictable. And both films seem primarily about waiting for reprehensible characters to endear themselves to us, and I think only Royal managed it for me. I could have forgiven the ridiculous and contrived "quirkiness" of both films if that quirkiness had been essential to the plot, but it never really was -- it just added color. Your other comments cover the cinematography and the performances, which I already said I thought were excellent. >Jason Schwartzman is great, I mean you didn't even like >the "plays"? No, but then I hate self-referentiality most of the time (books about books or authors, movies about filmmaking, plays within plays), especially when it's not inextricable from the plot. Margot's plays in Tenenbaums are just her occupation, and we see so little of them that it doesn't really matter whether she's a playwright or a fashion designer or a bowling champ. I would have liked to see more of the plays in Rushmore and less of the annoying stalker behavior -- then they would have felt more justified to me. >And, about The Royal Tenebaums, "a little more bearable" is so >so wrong. Well, sorry. I just expected a little more from the way everyone carried on about it. >Pretty much all of the human beings that I find >worth spending time with (including online time) are, in fact, active or >recovering geeks. This is not directed at you, in case it's not clear. But I've always hated the term "geek" and have never really felt all that thrilled about "reclaiming" it. I dislike endorsing, even ironically, the idea that people are divided into "cool kids," "geeks," and bland "normal" types. I have trouble slotting the human beings I find worth spending time with into any of those categories. >(eventually, you will find that the people considered the >"coolest" are the people who do their own thing, regardless of what the rest >of the world thinks of their choices.) If the rest of the world thinks their choices are "uncool," who is considering them the "coolest"? >From: "R. Edward Poole" >no no no, you're missing the point: she called us COOL! and said: >tell me how to be COOL like YOUSE GUYS! I don't know about everybody >else, but that triggers a Pavlovian response for me. It triggered one for me, too, but not the ones you and Jill are talking about. >From: * twofangs / randi * > >Just thought I'd say howdy & that I'm back ... got out of the hospital >two >weeks ago. News doesn't get much better than that. :) - - Drew ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #359 ********************************