From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #351 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, November 1 2002 Volume 11 : Number 351 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: annoying travel questions [Michael R Godwin ] TOENL [drew ] Re: stick song [gSs ] Brocolling, Thanksgiving/Hannuking, -Inging ["Rex.Broome" ] anglepoise ["ross taylor" ] Re: Redundant tautologies, and a Rew-related question [grutness@surf4nix.] Setlist: Soft Boys on KEXP 10-31-02 [Tom Clark ] PIN it on Ovid ["Montauk Daisy" ] Re: Setlist: Soft Boys on KEXP 10-31-02 [dances with virgos ] Re: Setlist: Soft Boys on KEXP 10-31-02 ["Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a p] Re: Setlist: Soft Boys on KEXP 10-31-02 [Ken Weingold ] Re: Mpls show 10/29 [rosso@videotron.ca] Re: Halloween [Ken Weingold ] Stuck inside of Gadsden with the Seattle Blues Again [Perry Amberson ] RE: Stuck inside of Gadsden with the Seattle Blues Again ["Brian Huddell"] Re: annoying travel questions [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Stuck inside of Gadsden with the Seattle Blues Again [The Great Quail] Re: Setlist: Soft Boys on KEXP 10-31-02 [dances with virgos ] San Francisco Plans ["The Real Mr. Feg" ] Re: Setlist: Soft Boys on KEXP 10-31-02 [Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: annoying travel questions On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, gSs wrote: > here's a question for you europeans or world travelers. what are the > advantages and disadvantages of visiting Europe in January, generally, > besides the snow? few tourists, lower prices, big hats, it might be worth > it. We don't get much snow in southern England nowadays (that really is asking for it!) but Scotland and parts of northern England still get snowed on. However, January is damp, cold, frosty, misty, windy, damp again and therefore not much recommended. The really major snowy Januaries were, I think, 1947 and 1962. You would definitely benefit from off-season peace and quiet - the whole country is hung over for a week or two after Christmas - and you should be able to get cheap flights and hotels. > i guess i'm more interested in seeing the base culture or what's left > of it and the architecture from the eastern bloc countries as well as the > uk, so warm temperatures is not a factor. And there is always Russia. has > anyone been lately or ever? The only eastern bloc architecture I've seen is Odessa (which is spectacular in an art-nouveau kind of way, but falling to bits) and Yalta (which is fancy 19th Century palaces backed by sheer cliffs). - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:44:12 -0800 From: drew Subject: TOENL >From: drew > >You might not be satisfied. ...if watching Spirited Away to satisfy a "look-at-the-colors" mood, I meant. >From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey >Perhaps they should have called it the >OEFL test and pronounced it vaguely in the French manner: "awful test" (as >said by >Peter Sellers as Inspector Clouseau). That would be fun, but of course if you drop the T you also have to drop the O (though "Of English as a Foreign Language" has a nice sound to it). "EFL" could still fit into a mangled French accent, though. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 13:01:14 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: stick song On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, drew wrote: > Unpleasant things, like your tendency to preach and mine to carp, are > not always good. yeah i know. i probably could have been an evangelist if it wasn't for all that "mr. god" said this and "mr. god" said that stuff. as long as we could have a naked choir and provide counseling on the virtues of nubility to the nubile and,,, ok never mind that part. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:06:44 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Brocolling, Thanksgiving/Hannuking, -Inging Drew: >>Sometimes good things, like broccoli and cough medicine, are unpleasant. Shit, our tastes diverge again. I like brocolli. _______________ YLT Hannukah: >>YO LA TENGO will be playing their Second Annual Hannukah Series at >>Maxwell's in Hoboken, NJ, on the 8 nights of Hannukah from November 29 >>through December 6. Yup, Hannukah really is THAT early this year! It actually starts the DAY AFTER (U.S.) Thanksgiving. And I'm pretty stoked 'cause the pregnancy (due date Dec. 21) rules out travel near the Christian Holidays, but my brother and his wife (who's Jewish like my wife) will be visiting us for Thanksgiving, and thus we get a bonus family Holiday gathering. It's the little things. _________ gSs: >>partisans usually identify themselves inadvertantly. 'Cept you pegged me as one and I ain't. Perhaps you see them like conspiracy theorists see aliens and Men in Black. __________ Jeff: >>I'm try to think of other disappear "-ings," but I'm hav trouble think of them. To me the "ing"'s are, if anything, proliferating, at least in movie titles and band-names, but that thread was a few months ago... - -Rex Brooming ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:53:04 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Re: Jury Duty Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > Well, it _IS_ Scotland. So, of course not. hey, like, fuck you, or something. ;-) I guess you haven't read this, then: http://www.news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=1197662002 "There is no sight more beautiful than a Scotsman on the make.", as J M Barrie so deftly put it. > Of course, given that most US juries > (at least in criminal cases) have > to be unanimous, a 15 member jury > would actually make a hung jury more > likely, not less. how do they ever come to a verdict, then? Guess that explains grandstanding by counsels, then. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:44:13 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: anglepoise >>From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) >> >>IWBAAL is about wanting to become something else >I've always interpreted it as a sort of change anxiety, a desire >for escape from the messy and traumatic business of human >transformation and significance of form. An anglepoise lamp >is pretty stable and no one passes laws against it or denies it >the vote or anything. I always thought Anglepoise Lamp was about "the inner light." Once I figured out what it was. We always called them "puffer-fish lamps." Ross Taylor "the farther one tra-vels the less one kno-ows" - --from another song taken from the I-Ching, I think Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:20:28 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Redundant tautologies, and a Rew-related question Jeffreyff said: >Quoting James Dignan : > >> My pet hate is that, somewhere over the last five years, "-ing" has become >> an endangered species. It's most noticeable in sport, where we have swim >> teams going to international meets. > >You mean "in sporting events," right? :) exactly. "Sports events". Like race meets, sail races, and swim meets, but also "gathers" of a non sporting nature, like swap meets, and (shudder) read gathers. Perhaps it's all part of the trend to knock the ends off of all long words (hell, is ten letters too much for an attention span?): "The champs were held at the swim meet which was part of the sports fest. Entry for the comp also included an invite to the barbie held between the pool and the skate rink." I suppose this sort of change has been going on for centuries (words like pub are clearly of the same sort), but the pace of the change has been seemingly ramped up by the media, constantly looking out for new buzz-words. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 13:30:58 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Setlist: Soft Boys on KEXP 10-31-02 Intro Stuck Inside of Mobile With the Memphis Blues Again Narcissus Chat Unprotected Love Chat Strings Chat Sleeping With Your Devil Mask Outro Robyn said four shows are scheduled for Italy in January, and then possibly Dublin after that. He also talked about releasing last year's Fillmore show as a live CD. I captured the 96kbps stream and am in the middle of chopping it up. Dunno where I can post it though. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:49:51 +0000 From: "Montauk Daisy" Subject: PIN it on Ovid I'm pretty sure Im someone guilty of acronym abuse, but thats because acronyms are goblygook and deserve it. They can be wisphy tech babble, not words. And as such I conceptualize them more as modifiers than nouns. They feel incomplete on their own. So ATM needs machine to anchor it into existance. This is obviously more about feeling than logic, but I would argue that ultimetly, feeling influneces usage more than logic. - ---------------------------------------------- James: >IWBAAL is about wanting to become something else, and UM is about >statues'reborn' in human form. There's always been an idea of personalities >merging, changing into sdomething else, in Robyn's songs ("Sometimes I wish >IWAPG; I'm only you; When I was dead; The >shapes between us...), and of the ways of the past being replaced by the ways of the future (My favourite buildings; Winchester; 1974; maybe even Mexican God >and The wreck of the Arthur Lee). Cool. Robyn's our Ovid. I like that. But I have a feeling that 6 months from now, after having absorbed all these new lyrics and images, Ill slap myself on the forehead in a Doh moment. The Soft Boys are a resurrection. Are they mouldering? Dosnt look like it to me. Shameful confession--I can barely listen to some early Soft Boys material -- it sets everything awry. I know most of you have an appetite for that, I dont. I like these slowed down, older SBs. Less anger(thou its still there) but more of other emotions. More depth." La Cherite " is the first Robyn song since "Airscape" that(corny detail coming up, swerve now to avert) gets my eyes misty. Dosnt Robyn sing that autumn is his favorite season, that when things are decaying they can be most beautiful? I rememeber kissing my grandmother on the cheek about 2 days before she died, and marveling at the astonishing softness of her skin, as if it was already becoming insubstantial. It was indescribably fragile. Yet there was a life to it that still felt fresh. I may not be making alot of sense, but I get the feeling that theres alot churning around in these images and lyrics, and when I get a sense of what it means to me(which may be different than what it means to you or you or...) it will put a new possibility into the mix of ideas and sensations I can access when I consider return and ressurection, decay and death. I'm just impatient; I want to figure it all out NOW;-) Silly girl. - ------------------------ Congrats Stewart - --------------------- I will probobly write a blitheringly boring message later as I am working tonight--instead of doing something important like seeing the SBs or trying to crash Rex's ghostship party or going to the Hollyween party at MY OWN HOUSE. Humpherdinkles. Since one can only push boundries so far without them pushing back -- I dressed up as a ghoul librarian for work. Usual outfit but with green base on my face, highlighted by rouge spots on cheeks, red around eyes and cocksucker red mouth. It aint a costume but it sure aint my usual appearence. And our dress code only covers dress so I can't get into too much trouble. The big rat pinned to my overshirt is just jewlery, right;-? What are, or rather, by the time most of you read this, what -were-, most of you dressed as? I need inspiration for next year. Kay _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 17:34:20 -0500 From: dances with virgos Subject: Re: Setlist: Soft Boys on KEXP 10-31-02 when we last left our heroes, Tom Clark exclaimed: >I captured the 96kbps stream and am in the middle of chopping it up. Dunno >where I can post it though. i was just doing the same thing and uploading them to the fegsite. i'm going out shortly (gonna go see phillip glass do the live score to dracula - - whee!) so i won't be able to set up a download page until i get home later tonight... tom, our captures should be the same (i foolilshly tried doing both the 96k mp3 stream and the realaudio one at the same time and the latter ended up with a lot of dropouts - duh). i can probably find a home for yours as well though if you want. woj ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:39:33 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Setlist: Soft Boys on KEXP 10-31-02 on 10/31/02 2:34 PM, dances with virgos at woj@smoe.org wrote: > tom, our captures should be the same (i foolilshly tried doing both the 96k > mp3 stream and the realaudio one at the same time and the latter ended up > with a lot of dropouts - duh). i can probably find a home for yours as well > though if you want. > No biggie. I'll just keep mine since I've already added the ID3v2.3 tags. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:06:12 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: Re: Setlist: Soft Boys on KEXP 10-31-02 Don't know what platform you're on, but if you're on Mac, you can try Macamp w/ the Audio Hijack plugin (Mac OS 9) to capture realplayer's output- it actually *ignores* those dropouts, as long as no one dropout is longer than a few seconds. I've had captures of incredibly choppy playback turn out complete & flawless. Audio Hijack is also available as a standalone app for OS X but I've never tried it. Mike At 5:34 PM -0500 10/31/02, dances with virgos spake thus: >when we last left our heroes, Tom Clark exclaimed: > >>I captured the 96kbps stream and am in the middle of chopping it up. >>Dunno >>where I can post it though. > >i was just doing the same thing and uploading them to the fegsite. i'm >going out shortly (gonna go see phillip glass do the live score to dracula >- whee!) so i won't be able to set up a download page until i get home >later tonight... > >tom, our captures should be the same (i foolilshly tried doing both the 96k >mp3 stream and the realaudio one at the same time and the latter ended up >with a lot of dropouts - duh). i can probably find a home for yours as well >though if you want. > >woj ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:13:36 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Setlist: Soft Boys on KEXP 10-31-02 On Thu, Oct 31, 2002, Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat wrote: > Don't know what platform you're on, but if you're on Mac, you can try > Macamp w/ the Audio Hijack plugin (Mac OS 9) to capture realplayer's > output- it actually *ignores* those dropouts, as long as no one dropout is > longer than a few seconds. I've had captures of incredibly choppy playback > turn out complete & flawless. Audio Hijack is also available as a > standalone app for OS X but I've never tried it. I've used it for OS X. Very nice. I tried it for taking audio from a DVD. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:05:29 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Halloween the glasgow perspective. Not for small children. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 18:53:45 -0500 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: Mpls show 10/29 On 30 Oct 2002 at 14:30, Mike Wells wrote: > > La Cherite (the cherished one) > > Is it true, was there an explanation made at the show? Kind of makes sense, > given the lyric. Though I thought cherished was 'aime' in French (as in > loved, verb)? It would be "dearness" if cherite is really a french word. Fric? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:17:13 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Halloween On Thu, Oct 31, 2002, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > the glasgow perspective. Not for small children. > > Can you translate what the old guy says after they say "Trick or treat"? Having live in Salem, Massachusettes, for 5 years, I can safely say that 'Halloween' translates to 'Fuck off, tourists'. - -Ken, former disgruntled local of Salem ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:39:38 -0800 (PST) From: Perry Amberson Subject: Stuck inside of Gadsden with the Seattle Blues Again Hello, everyone I'm a new subscriber to the list, and I wanted to say "hi" to you all. So, "hi" to you all. I've been a Soft Boys/Hitchcock fan since 1982, when I took a chance on a cutout copy of 'Two Halves for the Price of One' based on their choice of cover versions. Since they had already disbanded, I assumed I'd never have the chance to see them play live. But I'm pleased to say I was lucky enough to see them twice on the current tour. As I've told anyone within earshot during the last ten days, if they ever tour again, I'll see as many shows as possible. It does feel a bit adolescent to be obsessing over a rock band at my age, but for me, this tour has been a reminder of what really matters to me. The threads of so many of my musical interests since early childhood come together in the music of the Soft Boys, that seeing them in person at last was like seeing my life flash before my eyes. Robyn has spoken about the incongruity of 50-year-old men strapping on electric guitars, and he does have a point. But even if rock is a dead language, I still believe it's vitally important that people like Robyn continue to work in that medium. If only to remind young musicians that if you're willing to settle for a smaller, smarter audience, you don't have to sound like Creed or Slipknot. This afternoon I sat at my desk at work listening to KEXP on the Internet. When the 'Boys started their set with a lovely "Stuck inside of Mobile with the Memphis Blues Again," I couldn't help thinking that 2002 is quite a nice time to be living in. - -Perry HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:01:13 -0500 From: Fric Chaud Subject: Re: Mpls show 10/29 On 31 Oct 2002 at 18:53, rosso@videotron.ca wrote: > It would be "dearness" if cherite is really a french word. > Fric? Yes! Fric also french word. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 22:18:42 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Stuck inside of Gadsden with the Seattle Blues Again Perry gets my vote for Introductory Post Of The Year (and there has been plenty of worthy competition this year) for this bit alone: > The threads of > so many of my musical interests since early childhood > come together in the music of the Soft Boys, that > seeing them in person at last was like seeing my life > flash before my eyes. Nice. Welcome, Perry. +brian in New Orleans ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 11:34:18 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: annoying travel questions - -- gSs is rumored to have mumbled on Donnerstag, 31. Oktober 2002 10:39 Uhr -0500 regarding Re: annoying travel questions: > And there is always Russia. has > anyone been lately or ever? I've been there three times since 1987. I've visited Moscow, Yaroslavl, Samara and St. Petersburg. I don't speak any Russian except for a few courtesy words, but I can read the Cyrillic alphabet. Every time I have been in the company of people who did speak Russian. For the most part I have stayed at the homes of friends, but my girlfriend and I also spent a few days at the St. Petersburg Youth Hostel, which was very nice. They have a web site. Moscow and St. Petersburg are cities that everyone should have seen ;-) - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:56:55 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: annoying travel questions On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > And there is always Russia. has anyone been lately or ever? thanks for the reply. russia looks like it could a worthwhile trip. what is the best way to get from Berlin to St. Petersburg for instance? i just did a query at travelocity and I can get a flight from Frankfurt to Moscow for $242US+tax and fees. it's a non-stop on AeroFlot, a Russian Airline. that might be over budget but i'm still just planning. > I've been there three times since 1987. I've visited Moscow, Yaroslavl, > Samara and St. Petersburg. I don't speak any Russian except for a few > courtesy words, but I can read the Cyrillic alphabet. Every time I have > been in the company of people who did speak Russian. what is January like as far as the weather in Germany and Western Russia? i'm sure it will be cold during that part of the year but do you normally see large amounts of precipitation with widespread road closures etc...? gSs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 09:59:00 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Stuck inside of Gadsden with the Seattle Blues Again Hello, Perry! Welcome to the List! - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 10:15:05 -0500 From: dances with virgos Subject: Re: Setlist: Soft Boys on KEXP 10-31-02 kexp mp3s are now at http://smoe.org/woj/sb-kexp.html source: 96kbps mp3 stream > zinf > mp3trim woj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 09:38:58 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: dvd question Since I know fuck-all about DVDs, I was wondering, is there any easy way to capture the audio from a DVD - namely the free one that came with the new Ben Folds live album - and convert it to MP3? - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 10:25:18 -0800 From: "The Real Mr. Feg" Subject: San Francisco Plans Join the fegstivities in San Francisco on Saturday! Either: a) Meet early afternoon to hang out in the city in some suitably Feggy spot (email me for details!) 2) Meet for dinner before the show (Manora's Thai, 1600 Fulsom, 5:30) (Please let me know if you will/might be there, if possible, so I can make a reasonably accurate reservation...) iii) Slims. Doors open at 8:00. See if you can spot some of the folks pictured here... http://www.fegfotos.com So far there's a few of us for (a) and a good-sized group confirmed for dinner. See you there! ~N - -- Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -Pablo Picasso ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:30:44 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Setlist: Soft Boys on KEXP 10-31-02 On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, dances with virgos wrote: > kexp mp3s are now at http://smoe.org/woj/sb-kexp.html Nice! My two favorite songs from the album plus a new Dylan cover and 'Devil Mask'... plus Robyn in an unusually cooperative mood for the interview, sounding really exuberant about seeing Beefheart play in the 70s and about getting to tour Europe as the Soft Boys. a ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #351 ********************************