From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #349 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, October 30 2002 Volume 11 : Number 349 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Another off-topic post ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: Another off-topic post [Ken Weingold ] hey Ultravox fans (100% Soft Boys content, believe it or not) ["Jason R. ] Re: Another off-topic post [gSs ] Re: hey Ultravox fans (100% Soft Boys content, believe it or not) [Ken We] the hahrah, the hahrah [drew ] Quail: Exercise Caution! ["Rex.Broome" ] MP3 -> AIFF bad? ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: the hahrah, the hahrah [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: hey Ultravox fans (100% Soft Boys content, believe it or not) ["Jason] Re: Quail: Exercise Caution! [The Great Quail ] Re: Quail: Exercise Caution! [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] RE: ROLL CALL for San Francisco! [hamish_simpson@agilent.com] Re: Mpls show 10/29 ["chain-wallet bitch" AIFF bad? [dances with virgos ] re: di$ney [Eb ] Re: Mpls show 10/29 ["Mike Wells" ] Diz-Nee. Miyazaki etc. ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Diz-Nee. Miyazaki etc. [] RE: Diz-Nee. Miyazaki etc. ["Terrence Marks" ] Re: education - please ignore (off-topic 100%) [grutness@surf4nix.com (Ja] she don't care about time [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Jury Duty [Tom Clark ] Matt's query [Tom Clark ] Re: Jury Duty [gSs ] Re: Jury Duty [Tom Clark ] Re: Another off-topic post ["Rob" ] Re: Chicago Review ["Ultimate Goal" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:55:22 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Another off-topic post At 12:46 PM 10/30/2002 -0600, dolph@shout.net wrote: >I generally agree with Mr. Godwin, but I request an exemption for >"craptastic," if only because as a word it is, well, craptastic! Well, you could always use "shitrific" or "wonderpoo" instead. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:08:31 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Another off-topic post On Wed, Oct 30, 2002, Jason R. Thornton wrote: > At 12:46 PM 10/30/2002 -0600, dolph@shout.net wrote: > > >I generally agree with Mr. Godwin, but I request an exemption for > >"craptastic," if only because as a word it is, well, craptastic! > > Well, you could always use "shitrific" or "wonderpoo" instead. Hmmm. Can I jump in with another annoyance of mine? Not sure what you call it (besides stupid), but when people say things like "PIN Number", "ATM Machine", "VIN Number", "GPS System", etc. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:10:49 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: hey Ultravox fans (100% Soft Boys content, believe it or not) I just noticed this at the House of Blues website: HOUSE OF BLUES PRESENTS THE SOFT BOYS FEATURING: ROBYN HITCHCOCK, KIMBERLEY REW, MORRIS WINDSOR, MATTHEW SELIGMAN WITH MIDGE URE date : Mon, November 04 Is that in any way true? - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:14:14 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Another off-topic post On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Jason R. Thornton wrote: "wonderpoo" is that what night soilers call it? gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:16:34 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: hey Ultravox fans (100% Soft Boys content, believe it or not) On Wed, Oct 30, 2002, Jason R. Thornton wrote: > I just noticed this at the House of Blues website: > > HOUSE OF BLUES PRESENTS > THE SOFT BOYS FEATURING: ROBYN HITCHCOCK, KIMBERLEY REW, MORRIS WINDSOR, > MATTHEW SELIGMAN WITH MIDGE URE > > date : Mon, November 04 > > Is that in any way true? No clue, but if it help any, Midge Ure was just in NYC in the past week or so. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:20:09 -0800 From: drew Subject: the hahrah, the hahrah >From: Michael R Godwin > >On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, drew wrote: > > "An," without question. No one ever says "hower," though people say > > "historical" and "istorical". > >Londoners like myself have been known to elide 'half an hour' into >something more like 'ahfhnao'. But locals here in Bath definitely say 'a >hour', pronouncing it something like you say "uh-oh", but changing the >'oh' to 'owh', thus: "I'll be ther' in aaf uh owh". Really? Shudder. >From: The Great Quail > >That's just making an excuse for his lack of coherent thinking. There is >nothing wrong with emotion, or using broad strokes. But it's not an excuse >for a reasoned, rational, coherent argument, and it never will be. It allows >you to *feel* good, but does far more in promoting self-righteousness and >smugness than actual provocative thought. It also gets him and his broad strokes noticed. Reasoned, rational, coherent argument does not make for good television and thus is ignored. Except, I am told, on NPR. I dislike Limbaugh's tactics but I dislike his positions more, and they are definitely the reason why I hate him. I liked your "possessing a love to shoot myself" line...it sounds like Engrish if you read it right. :) >From: Michael R Godwin > >Obviously the fact that I don't have all 32 results means that there might >be some 'bubbling under' rankings which don't appear in this table; but it >does suggest that you don't have to be a big country to be >educationally effective. Or it might suggest that larger countries tend to be more diverse along a number of dimensions, which makes it more difficult to ensure that education is uniform. >From: The Great Quail > >Does anyone have a suggested track listing for a CD-R of Nextdoorland and >Side Three? I'll let you know after Saturday, when I'll actually have a chance to buy and hear Side Three! >From: gSs >i think a life is worth very little, but a person's right to that >life is worth a great deal. I like that. >From: Michael R Godwin > >Following the discussion of irritating vocab which took place some months >ago, can I moan about the ridiculous '-tastic' suffix? Yes, absolutely. I'll take this opportunity to throw in yet another plea for the usually-redundant overuse of "sea-change" to stop. Sometimes a change is just a change, damn it. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:24:41 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Quail: Exercise Caution! Quail: >>On this, to be honest, I have to agree with him. Having grown up around >>guns, and possessing a love to shoot myself, Damn, that's a whole new level of masochism!!! Please be careful. If you love it so much, you'll quickly run out of body parts in which to shoot yourself! __________ Michael G. >>can I moan about the ridiculous '-tastic' suffix? That's an example of where old, lame ad copy got adapted ironically by comedy writers-- I think probably Letterman's, specifically, more than a decade ago-- and then crossed back slowly into sloppy, uncreative "hip-speak" and then re-co-opted into new, lame ad copy. I think. You're hearing it in the UK so who knows what other kinds of cultural filters it's gone through... to wit: >>Smashey and Nicey's 'poptastic' Dare I ask? - -Rexeriffic Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:24:27 -0800 (PST) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: MP3 -> AIFF bad? First, a hearty Thanks! to woj and all the other tapers who are giving live Soft Boys files to us poor suckers who aren't lucky enough to live in a state where the 'boys are playing. This is what the internet is all about: fighting the RIAA man in mad, blathering dedication to The Greatest Rock Band of All Time. OK. So I've got the MP3s, and I'm thinking of converting them to AIFF for burning to audio CDs. Should I expect much sound quality degradation? Can anybody recommend an open-source MP3-AIFF converter? I'm using OS X.2.1. . HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:33:28 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: the hahrah, the hahrah Quoting drew : > Sometimes a change is just a change, damn it. And sometimes it's a cigar. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:36:07 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: hey Ultravox fans (100% Soft Boys content, believe it or not) At 02:16 PM 10/30/2002 -0500, Ken Weingold wrote: > > HOUSE OF BLUES PRESENTS > > THE SOFT BOYS FEATURING: ROBYN HITCHCOCK, KIMBERLEY REW, MORRIS WINDSOR, > > MATTHEW SELIGMAN WITH MIDGE URE > > > > date : Mon, November 04 > > > > Is that in any way true? > >No clue, but if it help any, Midge Ure was just in NYC in the past >week or so. I found Midge Ure's website (www.midgeure.com), and they do have the House of Blues listed under the "Solo Acoustic" tour dates: 04/11 House of Blues, West Hollywood CA Tel. 323-769-4725 (Dates are listed British style) Who all is going to the House of Blues show, by the way? - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:40:08 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Quail: Exercise Caution! Quail wrote: >>> On this, to be honest, I have to agree with him. Having grown up around >>> guns, and possessing a love to shoot myself Quail writes: I. Am. A. Fucking. Moron. - --Q ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:47:40 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Quail: Exercise Caution! Quoting The Great Quail : > Quail wrote: > > >>> On this, to be honest, I have to agree with him. Having grown up around > >>> guns, and possessing a love to shoot myself > > Quail writes: > > I. Am. A. Fucking. Moron. We just thought maybe you were Chris Burden, the performance artist... ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: This album is dedicated to anyone who started out as an animal and :: winds up as a processing unit. :: --Soft Boys, note, _Can of Bees_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:53:14 -0700 From: hamish_simpson@agilent.com Subject: RE: ROLL CALL for San Francisco! > A) Who is going to the Slims show on the 2nd? Unfortunately I'm a bit skint. Just back from hols to the motherland and have to choose between three shows. SBs, the Damned and Beck/Lips. I'll tell the Cap'n you were all asking for him though! (H) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:00:31 -0600 From: "chain-wallet bitch" Subject: Re: Mpls show 10/29 Whew! Fantastic show last night!! A rather small but extremely enthusiastic crowd - but where are the Mpls fegs? Here is the setlist: Hear My Brane Kingdom of Love Queen of Eyes Mr. Kennedy Sudden Town Vegetable Man The Bells of Rhymney The Man With the Lightbulb Head Unprotected Love La Cherite (the cherished one) Strings When I Was a Kid (I Want to Be An) Anglepoise Lamp Underwater Moonlight [Encore set:] Narcissus Rock 'n Roll Toilet I Wanna Destroy You Insanely Jealous Only the Stones Remain [Encore:] Lions & Tigers Robyn's voice was in fine form, and he and Kimberley traded off a number of scorching riffs throughout the evening. I've already listened to the entire recording of the show, and it sounds wonderful - I should have it burned to a couple of CDRs within the week. Which brings up the question again of trading, or, maybe better yet - a tree of some sort, which might include a number of these shows, perhaps? I suppose if someone here has an .ftp server, that might prove useful for the more technologically blessed among us, but I'm more than happy to get involved with the old school method of swapping - anyone else? My girlfriend took some pretty incredible photos last night, as well, which I will provide links for in the next couple of days, for your visual edification. I would also like to see that some of this stuff gets to the band themselves - anyone have any ideas on what the best way to do this is? Aside from sending things to the label, that is - which in my past experiences has not always proved successful. Slightly off-topic, what was the flak about The Standard? I could have been very happy with a recording of their set last night, only I didn't bring enough tape. Although I didn't get a chance to say hi to Gail on behalf of Ken, my girlfriend and I enjoyed their set very much. Kind of pretty, melancholy, textural drone-rock; somewhere in the veins mined by bands such as Bardo Pond, Lungfish, and Built To Spill. We couldn't actually make out any lrics, but the singer's voice was mixed as though it were another instrument - sort of a raspy, bluesy-tinged (Beefheart, maybe) style, and he appeared to be incredibly shy, for someone with the presence he demonstrated. On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:02:19 -0400 Ken Weingold wrote: > >Well I was gonna mention that too, but his voice got slightly better >(and I mean slightly) when I stopped looking at him. I think he >wishes he were Ian Curtis or something. >---------------- On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:41:47 -0700 "Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" wrote: > >Also if you have a chance, don't listen to the singer either! I have >seen them open for a few bands out here and after the first time I >always have to leave the building. The music isn't band but the >lyrics and voice ouch! >---------------- On Friday, October 25, 2002 12:35 PM Ken Weingold [mailto:hazmat@hellrot.org] wrote: > >please give the opening band "The Standard" a chance. they are actually pretty good as long as you don't look at the singer. ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:08:07 -0500 From: dances with virgos Subject: Re: MP3 -> AIFF bad? when we last left our heroes, Eugene Hopstetter, Jr. exclaimed: >OK. So I've got the MP3s, and I'm thinking of converting them to AIFF for >burning to audio CDs. Should I expect much sound quality degradation? Can >anybody recommend an open-source MP3-AIFF converter? I'm using OS X.2.1. there is no quality loss when decoding mp3 to aiff -- that's exactly what you are doing when you listen to them. it's when you re-encode the decoded aiff back to mp3 that you'll experience quality loss. obviously, that's not something that you'd do yourself since you already have the mp3s...but if you give a mp3-sourced audio cd to someone and then rip it to mp3, not knowing or forgetting that it was mp3-sourced, that's where this quality thing can start to be a factor. i haven't experimented much with this to find out where in the cycle the degradation becomes noticeable, but i know that's a function of what encoder is being used. i have a feeling that some of the rigorous ones might be able to handle several rinse and repeats before fraying, while it may become obvious more quickly with crap encoders. if anyone has some more insight into this, i'd be curious to hear about it. woj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:23:34 -0700 From: Eb Subject: re: di$ney Speaking of Di$ney, I cringed at how aggressively Michael "Behind These Smiling Steely Eyes, I Know Where the Bodies are Buried" Eisner overlapped Disney promotion into his big World Series venture. Not only did he show up for the post-game interviews with a jacket self-consciously unbuttoned to reveal a Mickey Mouse T-shirt, but he engineered it so that yesterday's local "victory parade" ran legs through both Disneyland Park and the new (struggling) California Adventure area. Thus, he managed to squeeze out a heap of extra admission fees from folks who watched the proceedings in those locations. Furthermore, a baseball-uniformed Mickey Mouse was sitting next to Jackie Autry (Gene's widow) in the parade, waving to the fans.... Bleh. (Maybe I'll watch Spirited Away on cable someday, when my film tastes are in more of a oh-wow-dude-look-at-the-colors mood.) Hey, I don't think I mentioned this yet...did folks hear that the TRIO channel has bought reruns of the early, early David Letterman shows from NBC? This is the most exciting television news I've heard in *years*. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:30:17 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: Mpls show 10/29 > La Cherite (the cherished one) Is it true, was there an explanation made at the show? Kind of makes sense, given the lyric. Though I thought cherished was 'aime' in French (as in loved, verb)? Michael "don't ask me, I took German" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:39:45 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Diz-Nee. Miyazaki etc. What maketh a "good" cartoon movie? Well, I've never seen a Miyazaki film I didn't like... or in fact love... but that indeed doesn't make them mainstream fare. Pokemon, now... that is, or at least recently was, both mainstream fare and oddball Japanese animation, craptastic though it was... and it succeeded thanks to, yup, not-un-Disney-like marketing. Now, that's not to say that good marketing implies a bad product (or work of art)! Nor does, in fact, "formula" (note that there are verses, chorus, bridges and guitar solos on the songs on Nextdoorland). As far as I'm concerned, most of the recent Disney animated films have been artistically viable and occasionally great ("Lilo & Stitch"... and "Pocahontas" comes to mind, with its uncharacteristically moody bits), and consistently a better bet than the animated features from competing American studios. Yes, there is a "formula" at work, but take even the lamest of recent Disney offerings and compare it to, say, "The Road to Eldorado", which uses the exact same formula as a Disney film and yet comes across as hopelessly bland, dull and inept. I guess this is a matter of "craft". The Disney films are well-crafted within their formula; they work. "Titan AE" and "Thumbelina" didn't. Part of it is that, as committee-driven and marketing-intensive as the Disney machine is, they do often employ directors with distinctive voices. Yeah, they're an evil empire and everything, but they really know how to make those films, or find the guys that can do so with some degree of style, with and substance. (The live-action films released under the actual Disney banner can still be counted on to stink mightily.) Now, could you market Miyazaki films to stratsopheric box office, or the Soft Boys to the top of the charts? I don't think so. People hear me listening to Robyn and they ask me to turn that crap off. I tried to get people to come with me to see "Princess Mononoke" and they all said it sounded depressing or boring. Doesn't devalue either artist's legitimacy, nor does it necessarily mean that the current box office champ/number one album is "bad". But I gotta say, "Treasure Planet" looks like it's gonna blow. Even you have to admit that, Blatzy. - -Rex, who must admit that the last film he saw in a movie theatre was "The Powerpuff Girls" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:57:41 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Diz-Nee. Miyazaki etc. Rex wrote: > > But I gotta say, "Treasure Planet" looks like > it's gonna blow. McDonald's Canada are clearly not hoping that. We've got two big-ass presses downstairs banging out Treasure Planet Happy Meal promo posters. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:38:14 -0500 From: "Terrence Marks" Subject: RE: Diz-Nee. Miyazaki etc. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org]On > Behalf Of Rex.Broome > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:40 PM > To: 'fegmaniax@smoe.org' > Subject: Diz-Nee. Miyazaki etc. > > > > Now, could you market Miyazaki films to stratsopheric box office, or the > Soft Boys to the top of the charts? I don't think so. Spirited Away passed Titanic as the highest-earning film in Japan, ever. Princess Mononoke was similarly successful (as, I'm sure, were other films by them, including Castle of Castiglioso..) Terrence Marks http://nice.purrsia.com http://www.unlikeminerva.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:16:51 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: education - please ignore (off-topic 100%) >Just seen results of a survey of 250,000 15-year-olds in 32 countries >carried out in 2000. There are 3 categories: literacy, maths and science >and I only have the placings for the top 10 in each. NZ comes top for >literacy, 3rd for maths and 6th for science. all I can say to that is that the world's literacy and maths overall must be shite. NZ 15-y-o's literate? ye gods. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:16:55 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: she don't care about time >Me then James: >>>does a general theme seem to be emerging here? What is > >ressurection, return for? Do we have to wait for the next disc to find out >> >or can someone else pry it out of the present songs? > >>to quote an earlier posted setlist: > > >I Wanna Be An Anglepoise Lamp > >If You Know Time (new song -- wow!) > >Underwater Moonlight > >>QED? > >Errrhhh. Yeah sure. I got it, of course. But for those poor punier >intellects on list, would you care to, erhh, explicate? Especially since >the set list includes a song most of us havent heard and UM has a whole new >innerspace. ;-) erm yeah. I didn't read your question properly. But it does look like even the new songs have a distinct time theme (I'm just guessing this from the title - lyrics, anyone?). IWBAAL is about wanting to become something else, and UM is about statues 'reborn' in human form. There's always been an idea of personalities merging, changing into sdomething else, in Robyn's songs ("Sometimes I wish IWAPG; I'm only you; When I was dead; The shapes between us...), and of the ways of the past being replaced by the ways of the future (My favourite buildings; Winchester; 1974; maybe even Mexican God and The wreck of the Arthur Lee). As time has gone on these themes have subtly drifted together, I feel, and the whole idea of time lost/time returning has grown a little stronger in his songs. Oh, and thirded (someone already seconded it) about the great wojmeister! James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:31:45 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Jury Duty on 10/29/02 6:20 AM, gSs at gshell@metronet.com wrote: > On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Tom Clark wrote: >> Like I said, I've got this jury duty bullshit today, so I can't monitor >> the webcast. Fingers crossed. > > > so the jury system is a bad thing? man it's tough being an american. what > responsibility we have. this is suffering. > Did I say the jury system is a bad thing? I don't think so. >> Off to try my best at avoiding my civic duty, > > must be a democrat, or a republican. > Ouch. It's not bad enough that I'm an upper middle class white male, now I've got to feel guilty about not being an extremist. I might as well just end it all right now. For what it's worth, I voted Green in 2000 and will do the same next Tuesday here in California. As far as jury duty, I have to admit that my experience was rather positive. The selection process was fun to watch (hint: to get excused, either act really stupid or really intelligent. Or start an argument with one of the attorneys), and in a way I'm a little bummed I didn't get selected. I guess when it comes right down to it, what annoyed me the most about having to report was that I had to be there at eight fucking fifteen in the morning. I don't even get up until 8:30 most days, fer crissakes. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:43:22 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Matt's query To put in my $0.02, I guess the main difference between Robyn solo and with the Soft Boys is that, when I've seen him solo I never got a sense of how much he enjoyed what he was doing, even though I'm sure he did. In a band setting I like to watch the interaction he has with his mates, which to me is actually more intimate because he seems to open up a lot more. Solo Robyn is is definitely entertaining, but he may as well be on TV for the degree of connection I feel. With the band it's like a house party, where we're all having the same good time. Hope that makes sense. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:20:49 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Jury Duty On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Tom Clark wrote: > > On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Tom Clark wrote: > >> Like I said, I've got this jury duty bullshit today, so I can't monitor > >> the webcast. Fingers crossed. > > > > > so the jury system is a bad thing? man it's tough being an american. what > > responsibility we have. this is suffering. > > > > Did I say the jury system is a bad thing? I don't think so. 'i've got this jury duty bullshit today', does not appear to me like you think it's a good thing. and i was aksing you the question. > >> Off to try my best at avoiding my civic duty, > > > > must be a democrat, or a republican. > > > > Ouch. It's not bad enough that I'm an upper middle class white male, now > I've got to feel guilty about not being an extremist. that makes no sense unless you think someone who is not a dem or rep is an extremist. you are reading between lines that are not there. call it sheltered but dems and reps are the only ones I have ever heard regulary complain about civic duty, specifically jury duty. it is a requirement for which you should be grateful. > when it comes right down to it, what annoyed me the most about having to > report was that I had to be there at eight fucking fifteen in the morning. > I don't even get up until 8:30 most days, fer crissakes. man, the sacrifices we americans have to make. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:53:56 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Jury Duty on 10/30/02 2:20 PM, gSs at gshell@metronet.com wrote: >> Did I say the jury system is a bad thing? I don't think so. > > 'i've got this jury duty bullshit today', does not appear to me like you > think it's a good thing. and i was aksing you the question. Jury system and jury duty are two different things. The bullshit part of jury *duty* is having to call a phone number every six hours for five straight days to see if you have to rush down to the courthouse and sit in a room for hours on end on the off chance that you'll be called up to the courtroom. There's gotta be a better way, and I'm sure you've got a few ideas on that as well. > call it > sheltered but dems and reps are the only ones I have ever heard regulary > complain about civic duty, specifically jury duty. Call *me* sheltered, but I've never really heard anyone regularly complain about it. Well, except for the 200 or so people I hung around with all day yesterday. Then again, they were probably all dems and reps. >it is a requirement for which you should be grateful. > Yes, sir. >> when it comes right down to it, what annoyed me the most about having to >> report was that I had to be there at eight fucking fifteen in the morning. >> I don't even get up until 8:30 most days, fer crissakes. > > man, the sacrifices we americans have to make. Does that include sacrificing one's sense of humor? In the words of the renowned Sgt. Hulka, "Lighten up, Francis." - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 23:57:21 -0000 From: "Rob" Subject: Re: Another off-topic post On 30 Oct 2002 at 14:08, Ken Weingold wrote: > On Wed, Oct 30, 2002, Jason R. Thornton wrote: > > At 12:46 PM 10/30/2002 -0600, dolph@shout.net wrote: > > > > >I generally agree with Mr. Godwin, but I request an exemption for > > >"craptastic," if only because as a word it is, well, craptastic! > > > > Well, you could always use "shitrific" or "wonderpoo" instead. > > Hmmm. Can I jump in with another annoyance of mine? Not sure what > you call it (besides stupid), but when people say things like "PIN > Number", "ATM Machine", "VIN Number", "GPS System", etc. > New Scientist ran a piece on this a while ago. I don't know if they were the first to give it this name, but they suggested calling it Redundant Acronym Syndrome or RAS syndrome :-) Another example, iirc, is "SCUBA apparatus". Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:22:59 -0500 From: "Ultimate Goal" Subject: Re: Chicago Review Thanks for the review Michael (Wells). I haven't had time to read my emails, let alone write a review. A few additions I might add: Firstly I had a great time driving up with Michael Bachman who was nice enough to pick me up on his way from Detroit. He's a great travel buddy and I had a fine time conversing and listening to tunes. I had a super time before the show hanging with Michael Wells (Twice!), Bachman, Carissa, Jen, Dave, Doc, the dancing Dolph (almost more fun watching him than the SBs!), Venus and all the others. Beer and pizza. I wish I had more of an opportunity to speak with Daryl (thanks for the disc!). Before the show I had the opportunity to talk to Robyn for a few minutes to wish him luck and give him the Carissa supplied balloon that read BLACK SNAKE DIAMOND ROCK. Greeted Matthew in japanese and spoke to him for quite a while about everything from him mixing Disconnection of the Ruling Class to David Bowie. It is said that Fegs are the nicest people, and after meeting Wells, the others and driving up with Bachman, it's true. But Matthew ranks right up there too. He bought Venus, Bachman, and myself a round of Becks Light. Cheers! I tried to give him a copy of my Lazerlove5 cd, but he insisted on giving me money for it. I finally told him $1. A discounted price because of the cracked case. The double door isn't the biggest place. I was lucky enough to be standing about 5 or 6 feet in front of Robyn. During the show I could easily look down and see what pedels Robyn was using. (For those that care) his pedels were: a Vox wah wah, and 3 Boss pedals: Super Overdrive, Tremolo, and Digital Delay. During Mr. Kennedy, Robyn would switch off the tremolo and switch on the super overdrive before the solos. During the end jam of Mr. Kennedy Robyn kept singing something over and over off mic. What is he singing? I wondered. Then I just caught it. "L.A. Woman!" About half way thru the show something went terribly wrong with Robyn's guitar effect set up, but the only ones who actually noticed were Robyn and the sound guy (Brian from TX). After several minutes of obsessing they finally bypassed the effects all together, and plugged his guitar in direct. I missed the delay when they played Narcisus later on. Did anyone else notice that during Anglepoise Lamp they were singing "Seven Band Width" instead of "Anglepoise Lamp", or am I just insane? Haven't seen any mention (but I haven't read all the mails) about Morris' ultra-mini drum set. It was the smallest drum set I've seen. How tiny was that bass drum? Man, it still sounded great! Another of my favorite highlights was watching Matthew play the bass on Strings. The insaneness of him turning/tuning his G key during the climax of that tune was mind blowing. What energy! Shoe/Weight factor: Robyn and Matthew are definately thinner than last years tour and look great. Robyn wore black leather pointy half boots, Matthew wore tan work boots, Kimberly wore black "rebok" style tennis shoes and Morris wore sunglassed except for the encores. Great show! If you can, GO SEE THEM! I'm sure there's more I'm missing. - -Nuppy _________________________________________________________________ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #349 ********************************