From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #346 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, October 29 2002 Volume 11 : Number 346 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re:spirited away ["The Real Mr. Feg" ] ROLL CALL for San Francisco! ["The Real Mr. Feg" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #345 [DougMash@aol.com] Re: Scary Mary & Chatty Matty [mary ] Re: Scary Mary & Chatty Matty [] Re: Bush/Baseball [gSs ] Re: WFMU [dances with virgos ] Re: Bush/Baseball ["Daniel L. Cotten" ] Re: Bush/Baseball [steve ] Re: Bush/Baseball [gSs ] Re: WFMU [Tom Clark ] Re: ROLL CALL for San Francisco! [Tom Clark ] Re: Bush/Baseball [gSs ] Re: WFMU [gSs ] Voting for the dionysian approuch ["Montauk Daisy" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #343 ["Marc Holden"] old voyeur part 2 ["ross taylor" ] Re: conversations with Matthew (1%RH, 99%MS) [Ken Weingold ] RE: Bush/Boys/Beatles/Baseball/Bush again... [gSs ] Madonna Of The Phone Booths [MPys2626@aol.com] Moore, morons, etc. ["Rex.Broome" ] Matthew's question ["Rex.Broome" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 22:58:55 -0800 From: "The Real Mr. Feg" Subject: Re:spirited away Drew enthused (Re, Spirited Away): > Go see it. Go go go. Even you, Eb. Seconded and thirded! Bear in mind that I don't get out much these days, but I think this may be among the best movies I've ever seen. Period. It's showing in several places on the peninsula, as well as San Francisco, in both dubbed and subtitled versions, but given the family audience, high quality and the rave reviews, I'm amazed it's not showing more widely - especially since Disney picked up the distribution. Find out more, and see clips here: www.spiritedaway.net The clips don't do it justice though, because the art is in the way it takes you from the realistic world to the spirit world in a way that seems so natural and you experience the whole thing through the eyes of the protagonist, a ten year old girl. The detail - in both the backgrounds and the movement - and the sheer imagination of it - show just how much we've been short-changed by the formulaic Disney machine. ~N - -- Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -Pablo Picasso ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 22:26:32 -0800 From: "The Real Mr. Feg" Subject: ROLL CALL for San Francisco! Stepping out of the shadows to take on my traditional role on these occasions, I ask today's three questions: A) Who is going to the Slims show on the 2nd? 2) Are you interested in pre-show feggery in San Francisco? This may include, but is not limited to 2.i) Some suitably feg-like activity in the afternoon (looking for suggestions ...exploratorium?) 2.b) Pre show dinner. iii) Err.. There should be a great turn out for this one - I already know of folks coming from as far away as Seattle and Baltimore. My guess is that we will be a giant snow-ball collecting people as we roll through the day. If you'd like to join us ...or just want to know where to avoid - drop me an email. ~Nick - -- Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -Pablo Picasso ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 07:15:35 EST From: DougMash@aol.com Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #345 He was curious as to the fan's reaction to Robyn - does it differ >>depending on the type of show. Does our view of him change, is the >>dynamic different? First, let me say Robyn's been blessed with two great bass players over the years. When watching the show Sunday, I was thinking "this is the best rhythm section nobody's ever heard of." Granted, my bass playing knowlege is limited to "Wild Thing" and "Louie Louie" (essentially the same song), and what I think is XTC's "Generals and Majors," but I play it half as fast and nowhere as nimbly as Colin Moulding, so I may not be an expert on the subject. Anyway, I was watching a video of Robyn live/solo from 1990 before the show Sunday & my thought was Robyn's like a bottle rocket without a stick (not going to use the New York slang name for that here) without a band backing him. Kind of like my mother-in-law, who I didn't realize was insane (she's not really) until my father-in-law passed away. Of course, unfettered Robyn can be a fun experience, but the solo act was getting a little old in the mid-90s, and I much prefer the band setting. I've seen Robyn about 12-15 times now, starting in 1986, and until I saw the Soft Boys last year, I've been pining for the Metcalfe-Windsor-Jackson lineup from that show. With Kimberly providing fun-to-watch/hear guitar interplay (heck, I wouldn't mind them woring some of KR's songs in too), the SB's are definitely the best setting to see Robyn in, so I hope there's more SB's CD's/tours coming in the next few years. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:01:36 -0500 From: mary Subject: Re: Scary Mary & Chatty Matty At 10:57 PM 10/28/2002 -0500, Maximilian Lang wrote: >>From: mary >>Some topics that we talked about - the music industry, a live SB >record, > >Live Soft Boys record? He said they had recorded a lot of shows from the last tour and there is a possibility of releasing the live stuff. Spirited Away - I wholeheartedly concur on what's been said about this movie. I've seen the dubbed version and plan to see the subtitled version (playing at one theatre in NYC) before it goes away. I think I watched the whole movie with my mouth open - saying "wow" to myself over and over. And if I didn't already have my costume for Halloween, I'd be going as "No Face." Mary ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 9:00:55 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Scary Mary & Chatty Matty mary wrote: > > He said they had recorded a lot of shows > from the last tour and there is a > possibility of releasing the live stuff. that's why there were no soundboard recording from the last tour, wasn't it? I hope that Matthew didn't get too peeved at what I said. I like UL's bassline more now. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:09:23 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Bush/Baseball On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, steve wrote: > On Monday, October 28, 2002, at 12:41 PM, Rex.Broome wrote: > > > Does anyone around here vote straight tickets? > > If so, I'd like to hear their justification. i said you wouldn't like it. > Saves time, and I was on my lunch hour. and it actually gets worse. > .....I didn't want to take the time to wheel through the screens. ouch. worse and worse. > Electronic voting is, I think, a very bad idea. wow look, a non-stolid remark. move out of dallas county to hunt, grayson, etc... beautiful country and lots of room to stretch out. > Justification? This is Texas, dude. just packed full of mexicans and rednecks, right? and sanchez, man what a guy. he's human,,, kinda like nixon. ooh yeah i forgot, he's a democrat. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:16:30 -0500 From: dances with virgos Subject: Re: WFMU when we last left our heroes, Tom Clark exclaimed: >I am, from the 128kbps web feed. as will i, provided wfmu's high bitrate slots don't fill up. will you be capturing the mp3 bits? or just recording the stream to raw audio? i'll be doing the former (with zinf). dunno what itunes does...which i assume you'll be using? >Speaking of >which, does anybody have an idea about when the band will actually be on? when a session is broadcast is basically up to the programmer. usually, though, they tend to do them in the middle or second half of a show. so, i'll go out on a limb and guess 5pm. most of the 'fmu deejays are usually pretty good at announcing when something will be played during their program though, so i'm sure we'll know around 3pm est. woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:34:16 -0800 From: "Daniel L. Cotten" Subject: Re: Bush/Baseball >and sanchez, man what a guy. he's human,,, kinda like nixon. > >ooh yeah i forgot, he's a democrat. You could opt for Rahul Mahajan. ;) dc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:57:37 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: Bush/Baseball On Tuesday, October 29, 2002, at 07:09 AM, gSs wrote: > move out of dallas county to hunt, grayson, etc... beautiful country > and > lots of room to stretch out. I lived in the sticks during my formative years. >> Justification? This is Texas, dude. > > just packed full of mexicans and rednecks, right? Packed full of Republicans who didn't want to seat their junior Senator at their last national convention because she's pro-choice. If you guys are looking to be horrified and disgusted by someone's voting habits, then I'm willing to set you off. ;) - - Steve __________ George W.'s war on Iraq will be the reductio ad absurdum of America's long, slow abandonment of any pretense that the people have any say in the question of whether their government will send some of them far away to kill and die. - Michael Kinsley ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:03:56 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Bush/Baseball On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Daniel L. Cotten wrote: > You could opt for Rahul Mahajan. ;) or Jeff Daiell. but then anything is better than esto perpetua, er whatever. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 07:03:16 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: WFMU on 10/29/02 6:16 AM, dances with virgos at woj@smoe.org wrote: > when we last left our heroes, Tom Clark exclaimed: >> I am, from the 128kbps web feed. > > as will i, provided wfmu's high bitrate slots don't fill up. > > will you be capturing the mp3 bits? or just recording the stream to raw > audio? i'll be doing the former (with zinf). dunno what itunes does...which > i assume you'll be using? > Raw Bits. I'm using a program I wrote myself that does timed stream capturing - "just set it and forget it". I did a dry run last night with the 'fmu stream and it worked fine. Like I said, I've got this jury duty bullshit today, so I can't monitor the webcast. Fingers crossed. Off to try my best at avoiding my civic duty, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 07:07:01 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: ROLL CALL for San Francisco! on 10/28/02 10:26 PM, The Real Mr. Feg at njaz@email.com wrote: > Stepping out of the shadows to take on my traditional role on these > occasions, I ask today's three questions: > > A) Who is going to the Slims show on the 2nd? > "Me!!!" > 2) Are you interested in pre-show feggery in San Francisco? > > This may include, but is not limited to > > 2.i) Some suitably feg-like activity in the afternoon > (looking for suggestions ...exploratorium?) > 2.b) Pre show dinner. > > iii) Err.. > > There should be a great turn out for this one - I already know of folks > coming from as far away as Seattle and Baltimore. My guess is that we > will be a giant snow-ball collecting people as we roll through the day. > And Denver. My brother's flying in just for the show. We would definitely like to meet up for dinner - how about the brew pub right across from Slim's? As far as other pre-show fegstivities, we'll have to see. Psyched, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:13:44 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Bush/Baseball On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, steve wrote: > I lived in the sticks during my formative years. and now you live and vote in dallas county? what the hell happened? and how do you handle all them yankees? ;> > Packed full of Republicans who didn't want to seat their junior Senator > at their last national convention because she's pro-choice. so that's reason to vote a straight party ticket which includes sanchez for boss man? > George W.'s war on Iraq will be the reductio ad absurdum of America's > long, slow abandonment of any pretense that the people have any say in > the question of whether their government will send some of them far > away to kill and die. - Michael Kinsley so does that mean you don't think you have a choice? gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:20:35 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: WFMU On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Tom Clark wrote: > Like I said, I've got this jury duty bullshit today, so I can't monitor > the webcast. Fingers crossed. > so the jury system is a bad thing? man it's tough being an american. what responsibility we have. this is suffering. > Off to try my best at avoiding my civic duty, must be a democrat, or a republican. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:41:16 +0000 From: "Montauk Daisy" Subject: Voting for the dionysian approuch ReX: >Yeah, that's interesting. Seems to be par-for-the-course for male-fronted bands, that audience breakdown. Seems like I see more women at Robyn's solo >shows than at an average show. But I also seem to see more women at sit-down acoustic shows in general. Could be a few things at play there-- >rock bands produce a more visceral, physicals (read: male) experience whereas acoustic acts are more emotional or, like, literary (read: >female)... clearly I'm just thinking off the top of my head here in a >really general way... Youre right -- it was a different audience than youd get at an aucoustic show. I don't get around much anymore -- meaning I dont go to alot of shows, so Ive forgotten that. Still, back in one of my earlier green ages, which would be the late 70s, I remember a fair amount of woman in the rock n roll clubs. And while Ive always loved folk, there is a part of me that only truely comes alive to rock n roll. There's that Dionysian element there. Nothing else will do. I can't believe I missed "The Mighty Quinn." Im looking forward to hearing a recoding of it. - ---------------------------------- Scary Mary, Nice job with the Daisey addition, especially with the daisey in hand in hand. Matts question: >he asked me my opinion about Robyn solo vs. Robyn with the band. He was >curious as to the fan's reaction to Robyn - does it differ depending on the >type of show. Does our view of him change, is the dynamic different? Never analysed it before, really. I don't think my view changes per se, I still get that weird happiness tickle in my chest either way. But I do know that for me Robyn with a band is a more intense expereice than Robyn without one. Just because rock n roll totally overwelmes one. And since Im an intensity junkie, I prefer it. Now both The Soft Boys and the Edgyptians are(were) great bands. The members add stuff that intensifies the material. The stuff gets bigger, theres more room in it, you can loose yourself more easily. But put Robyn in front of some lame band, and Im sure Id prefer him solo. Just another 2 cents. - ------------------------------ "Chapter 24," The Carravagio mimic, "in my end is my beginning," time everywhere -- hmmmm, does a general theme seem to be emerging here? What is ressurection, return for? Do we have to wait for the next disc to find out or can someone else pry it out of the present songs? - -------------------------------- Steve: >Isn't there someone on this list who should take her 12 year old daughter >to see Spirited Away? Cant think of a one;-) Hey -- Im working on it. - ------------------------------- Ferris --I can't access your photos. - --------------------------- FF: >But does Kimberly still have that hairstyle that looks left over from >_Spinal Tap_? Hey -- its taken him a year to find a good conditioner. Give him time! If he's hairs really thick(as it appears to be) it may never quite behave. Besides, while Kimberley's hair has a 60s look, Robyn's has a 70s, Morris's an 80s and Matthew's a 90s. Would you really want to mess up a continium like that;-? Kay _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:24:36 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: audience gendering etc. >>But really, I do wonder if all the audiences are >>that heavily male and well, why? The Soft Boys -- I wonder if the name puts girls off? Other factors [below, whenever I talk about "men" and "women" consider me to be talking about culturally conditioned behavior in US in recent decades]-- The Television Factor--the two times I saw Tom Verlaine the audience was very male. I remember a point where the area before the stage was relatively empty & it was just me & about 12 guys nodding our heads & watching his fingers. I think girls got into guitar rock in the mid & late 60s. Girls were into Led Zepplin when they 1st came out, but soon after that "chick rock" began evolving & girls, though they might enjoy some of Santana, Humble Pie & Cactus, were more into vocal music, soul, folk & country, but w/ the vocal emphasis. Clapton picked up a big female following in the 70s when he downplayed the guitar & became a gruff singer. Some time around this switch-over, in the very early 70s, was when air guitar was invented. IMO guitar-solo sexiness hasn't *really* come back since then. It can still be very hip & even innovative, & definitely integral to some kinds of music, but at least as far as aggressive music is concerned, "women" since 1973 have been into singers and beats. - --- A live Soft Boys record -- I really want to hear Chapter 24 and Quinn the Eskimo. QTE is great Dylan that I don't think he ever did well, the closest was a basement tapes version when Levon was AWOL which wasn't released. Manfred Mann did it better. - --- As far as Matthew being bugged by Eb's comments, I hope that was mostly him just finding things to say about the list. Surely the point of lurking is to hear all sides? Becoming an old voyeur, Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:33:50 -0800 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #343 > From: Eb > Subject: I saw some crazy sh*t tonight > Tonight, I went to see the Residents. At the > local House of Blues, within the Downtown Disney mall. In Anaheim. I didn't see you there. I was up in the front, on the right. Even though I really was tired (I had just wrapped up my end of the month paperwork, worked a 13 hour day then drove out from Phoenix), I had a great time. Definitely worth going to see. I'll catch them two more times over the next few days then see the Soft Boys a few times. I found out yesterday afternoon that the Cramps were playing at the Galaxy, so a friend and I caught that one. They totally rocked. We were up against the barrier, between Lux and Ivy. They are totally crazed still, and it was a complete rush to see them again. It almost didn't happen because right before the Cramps came on, the head on the bass amp fried. The opening band (Lords of Altamont, who were also excellent) loaned them their bass head, and just as the band was coming on stage, that head also blew. They wound up using the head unit from the LoA's keyboard amp, and used a different, properly grounded power source. Tonight, I'll see Paul McCartney, the Residents the following 2 nights, (insert show here), then see the Soft Boys at Slim's, Amoeba (SF), House of Blues, and Amoeba (Hollywood). I've included time in my schedule for a Largo show, but so far haven't heard anything. I haven't figured out what shows are going on in San Francisco on 11/1--any recommendations from you Northern CA fegs would really be appreciated. 9 days off, at least 8 shows on the agenda. This is going to be the best break in a long time. Later, Marc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:47:25 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: old voyeur part 2 I'm also curious what Robyn said about the sniper. He had local connections in Maryland, right? & Md. was hardest hit. The moon must be in the sign of guns, what w/ the sniper, the kid in Arizona & bad nurseman in Arkinsas. I've enjoyed forwarding the war posters link & playing w/ the paper dolls again. Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:01:15 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: conversations with Matthew (1%RH, 99%MS) On Mon, Oct 28, 2002, mary wrote: > Some topics that we talked about - the music industry, leaving law to live > the life of a rock and roll superstar, working at home, Charles Dickens, > the new song that the Soft Boys played on Sunday night, a live SB record, > creating websites, the overwhelming success of Snail in Shanghai and China, > moving to Japan, foreign language versions of their recordings, > softboys.com vs. thesoftboys.com, and he asked me my opinion about Robyn > solo vs. Robyn with the band. He was curious as to the fan's reaction to > Robyn - does it differ depending on the type of show. Does our view of him > change, is the dynamic different? So, I'm now passing the question on to > all of you. And Matthew, if you happen to be reading this, I'm sure I'm not > doing a good job of explaining your question, so please restate it if > possible. Hey, Mary. I love watching Robyn any way, and really don't think my reaction to him differs depending on the type of show. And as much as I love watching him solo, I have to say that I couldn't be happier seeing playing with a band again on a regular basis. The only time I ever got to see him with a band since The Egyptians was when Sebadoh played a couple of songs with him as his backup band. Like Bob Mould, solo acoustic/electric can be great, but I honestly feel it gets old after a while and I need to see them with a full band again. Great to hear about your time with Matthew. Had I known in advance, I would have asked you to ask him what the hell was in that cup he gave me at Maxwells. :) - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:03:32 -0000 From: Dr John Halewood Subject: RE: Bush/Boys/Beatles/Baseball/Bush again... > -----Original Message----- > From: gSs [mailto:gshell@metronet.com] > i'm starting to think most libertarians are just democrtas > who own guns. huh? I thought libertarians were wannabe anarchists who rely on daddy's private army to protect them when the proles start gathering around the walls of their mansions.... cheers john ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:12:55 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: the grinder, just looking for meat Sharon's coalition teeters over settlers PAUL ADAMS Tuesday, October 29, 2002 JERUSALEM -- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon seems set on a collision course with his largest coalition partner, the Labour Party, over the contentious issue of subsidies to Jewish settlers, a confrontation that may break up Israel's broad "unity government" as soon as tomorrow. Labour indicated yesterday it will vote against the government's budget unless $230-million (U.S.) in payments to Jewish settlements is redirected to social spending. Mr. Sharon seems unlikely to compromise on the issue, and has told his cabinet that if Labour opposes the budget, it will break up the coalition. "Those who don't vote in favour of the budget cannot be part of the government," Mr. Sharon reportedly said. "All the parties in the coalition must vote for the budget. I will not tolerate political trickery." http://news.globetechnology.com/servlet/GAMArticleHTMLTemplate?tf= globetechnology/TGAM/NewsFullStory.html&cf=globetechnology/tech-config- neutral&slug=UISRAN&date=20021029 - ------------------------------------------ kinda makes you want to join the plo. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:18:28 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: RE: Bush/Boys/Beatles/Baseball/Bush again... On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Dr John Halewood wrote: > > i'm starting to think most libertarians are just democrtas > > who own guns. > > huh? I thought libertarians were wannabe anarchists who rely on daddy's > private army to protect them when the proles start gathering around the > walls of their mansions.... well, yer a foreigner so at least you have an excuse for being wrong. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:44:16 EST From: MPys2626@aol.com Subject: Madonna Of The Phone Booths Just received a request from one bummed San Diegan ... my pal Bill is currently in the throws of wild lamentation due to the fact of not being able to puzzle up enough free time for a trip north to catch a Soft Boys show. So Bill's been digging out old boots, long forgotten vinyl versions, videos and such. Beats turning to alcohol I spose. Anyhow, below is Bill's request that had me digging out that purple vinyl 12" as well as the CD5 prome of MOTW, both of which had me thinking that maybe after years of being filed I might had just forgotten that Robyn in a phone booth intro. Not there. Is the below mentioned vid versh the only available issue of this particular somewhat extended config of _Madonna Of The Wasps_ ... and ... has anybody gone through the trouble of transferring said vid versh to some form of audio versh? Futile or otherwise, couldn't think of a better place to inquire. Thank you kindly and here's Bill's initial request. >>Hey..while we're on the subject of Robyn and video...I watched my copy of 'Brenda With The Lightbulb Eyes' comp over the weekend. Is there a cd/vinyl/import version of Madonna Of The Wasps that has that intro where he's in the phone booth singing into the receiver? He performed it on the '89 tour w/REM...been trying to track down a version since.<< Mark Sleep Well ~ Don't Burst http://www.mitchworldusa.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:07:49 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Moore, morons, etc. gSs: >>the whole idea about gw wanting revenge on iraq solely to reverse the "dishonor >>upon myhouse" caused by his father as being an American phenomenon >>and should somehow carry an automatic association with the perpetrators as >>American, is ludicrous and makes the conveyor sound partisan as partisans are >>always heard making ludicrous statements. Ah. Gotcha. The "Bush as Viking or Klingon" line was meant to be humorous, and I shoulda put some distance between that and the Mellencamp line. I didn't mean "America" as a whole. In fact I meant "ain't that modern America, or Earth, where politicians in general are insultingly disingenuous about their obvious motivations". I don't think vengeance is the only, or even the main, factor here in the beating of the wardrums, but I think it is indeed a factor. It's more understandable in terms of how human leaders have historically behaved than a lot of the what's being put forth as justification for miliary action. What I find a little less credible are statements about how the Republicans or "the right" have been waiting for an opportunity to invade everyone and set up puppet regimes everywhere, as has been alleged here and elsewhere recently. Recall that before 9/11 this administration was happy to behave as if the rest of the world didn't even exist. I credit some of the allegations that these guys are worried about oil, and that there are *some* big fans of war for war's sake on that side of the political spectrum, but I feel they'd generally sooner ignore the world at large than take it over. Especially at the cost of American lives, which has become next to unthinkable. >>change party leader to higher power and party to faith and they will sound like >>christians justifying christians, muslims justifying muslims, and on and on and >>on and on...... I think that's largely, sadly true. Although the hatred between political factions-- as in, constituents-- is much milder. If it weren't, we'd be in a constant state of civil war. But ain't that... ah, never mind. Just kidding. ________ Quail: >>I think Moore is a moron, and gives liberals a bad name. I think of him as the >>Left's Rush Limbaugh. That's true (the last part, anyway), but I'm kinda glad both of those guys exist, in a weird way. We need gadflys and extremists to make dumbass statement about stuff that's not being addressed at all by the mainstream. At least then it moves into the arena of more reasonable debate. Now that's America, and I stand by that one. That said, I think Moore is pretty funny even when he makes me squirm. I particularly liked "The Big One" since it was more of a slice-of-life film made when he was between jihads. The bit with Rick Nielsen was classic. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:21:11 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Matthew's question Matthew, via Mary: >>He was curious as to the fan's reaction to >>Robyn - does it differ depending on the type of show. Does our view of him >>change, is the dynamic different? Well... There was for years a difference between solo-Robyn and Egyptians-Robyn, and now there's a different difference between solo and Soft Boys. Lemme 'splain: Essentially, since we didn't expect the Soft Boys to ever reform for oh-so-many-years, and Robyn was pretty clear that he didn't want another guitarist in the touring version of the Egyptians, that was "the band". Which meant the solo shows were the loose-limbed troubador-y things, and the band thing was essentially a very Beatle-y beast, with similar songs to the solo shows in a lot of cases (especially in the later stages of the live Egyptians, with the acoustic set built-in). The return of the dual-guitar element changes that, though, both with the addition of Kimberly and Robyn's reaction to it on guitar. Still Beatle-y but a lot more, I dunno, squirmier, unique, and, umm, Soft-Boys-like. I really enjoyed the Egyptians, especially live, but I dunno what my reaction would be if Robyn did a solo album and then "reformed" or toured with the Egyptians, or even in the single-guitar format again. I can't believe he got over without a guitar foil for so long (Pete Buck doesn't count); it's one of those things where you don't know how very very much you've missed it until it shows up unexpectedly on your doorstep. Plus the Soft Boys play more songs that would be out of place at an acoustic show than the Egyptians. So there's more difference now than there was just a short time ago. Cute baby. Odd that the Soft Daughters now include both a Maisy and a Daisy... - -Rex ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #346 ********************************