From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #344 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, October 28 2002 Volume 11 : Number 344 Today's Subjects: ----------------- uh, the real mercury lounge setlist [dances with virgos ] Nice Posters! ["*FS Thomas*" ] Re: uh, the real mercury lounge setlist [Ken Weingold ] Re: uh, the real mercury lounge setlist [Ken Weingold ] Bush/Boys/Beatles/Baseball/Bush again... ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Bush/Boys/Beatles/Baseball/Bush again... [gSs ] bowery ballroom discs ["Mike Hooker" ] OK, but where's Pow R. Toc H.? [Eb ] Re: OK, but where's roger [gSs ] Re: trains, guns, and vendettas [The Great Quail ] Re: I saw some crazy sh*t tonight ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #343 [gSs ] Re: michael moore or less [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] spirited away [drew ] [none] ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: [Tom Clark ] Re: Bush/Baseball [steve ] So Sweet! [steve ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:15:00 -0500 From: dances with virgos Subject: uh, the real mercury lounge setlist The Soft Boys October 27, 2002 The Mercury Lounge New York City I Love Lucy Kingdom of Love Queen of Eyes Mr. Kennedy Sudden Town Hear My Brane Vegetable Man The Man With The Lightbulb Head Airscape La Cheriti Strings I Wanna Be An Anglepoise Lamp If You Know Time (new song -- wow!) Underwater Moonlight Encore: Quinn The Eskimo (The Mighty Quinn) (Dylan) Narcissus I Wanna Destroy You Stuck Inside of Mobile with the Memphis Blues Again (Dylan) Rock'N'Roll Toliet (if anyone remembers the encore differently, please say so -- my recording of it was flubbed due to a loose mic cable, so that part is from memory (a real shame since the main set recording is gorgeous). ferris got it all, so he should be able to correct our recollections if needed.) woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:20:13 -0500 From: "*FS Thomas*" Subject: Nice Posters! Git yer war on: http://www.cafeshops.com/cp/store.aspx?s=warposter F S Thomas ferris@ochremedia.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:21:43 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: uh, the real mercury lounge setlist On Mon, Oct 28, 2002, dances with virgos wrote: > The Soft Boys > October 27, 2002 > The Mercury Lounge > New York City > > (if anyone remembers the encore differently, please say so -- my recording > of it was flubbed due to a loose mic cable, so that part is from memory (a > real shame since the main set recording is gorgeous). ferris got it all, so > he should be able to correct our recollections if needed.) Didn't they do Element of Light in there somewhere? And I thought it was in the main set. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:25:27 -0500 From: dances with virgos Subject: Re: uh, the real mercury lounge setlist when we last left our heroes, Ken Weingold exclaimed: >Didn't they do Element of Light in there somewhere? And I thought it >was in the main set. yeah, it's called "airscape". ;) +w ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 16:28:41 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: mercury lounge setlist Yes, it's lifted entirely from, er, Chapter 24 from the I Ching... my transl. at home is much more like the song than this, from ye Web: (Earth over Thunder) Your symbol is Hexagram 24, which deals with the idea of returning, coming back or doing things over again. At first there will be no error, despite many troubles. But there must be a change of attitude, a humbling experience, in the end, which will mark defeat and much grief. The only way to avoid this is to strive for complete honesty and integrity. The first line, yang, shows some errors, even repeated errors, but no obvious consequences. The second line, yin, shows a happy return, with no errors. The third line, yin, shows one who has made repeated returns, each time having to do the work over again. But the person is steadfast in their work, so there is no fault. The fourth line, yin, shows a person who is able to adopt the right attitude and return to their proper path. The fifth line, yin, shows one who is able to take an honest look at him or her self, and admit any mistakes. This is a noble position and this person is well situated on their path. The sixth line, yin, shows one who has gone astray. The base elements of the person, and of society, challenge the finer elements. This brings bad fortune, and if let go to the extreme will eventually bring legal, or other serious problems. >From: Michael R Godwin >Oh, wow! "A movement is accomplished in six stages, and the seventh brings >return", oui? non? > >I'm told that this lyric is simply lifted from a chunk of the I Ching. Is >that correct? > > >- Mike Godwin > >PS I'm also intrigued to see MwtLH drafted in from the Egyptians set list. >Last time I saw them play it was 1986 at Bath Moles Club. Did he do the >bibble bibble lips to get the "You're too late, I've come to turn you on" >voice? > >n.p. Voodoo in my Basement, Lovin' Spoonful - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:32:02 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: uh, the real mercury lounge setlist On Mon, Oct 28, 2002, dances with virgos wrote: > when we last left our heroes, Ken Weingold exclaimed: > >Didn't they do Element of Light in there somewhere? And I thought it > >was in the main set. > > yeah, it's called "airscape". ;) Oh yeah. I was just testing you. ;-) - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:47:32 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: trains, guns, and vendettas >>>I really can't think of "Winter Love," "Bones in the Ground," "Mellow >>>Together," "I Used To Say I Love You," and "My Favourite Buildings" as >>>part of I OFTEN DREAM OF TRAINS, much less the tracks tacked on at the end. > >Yeah, I agree. That configuration in some ways echoed cassette bonus >tracks, which got stuck at the end of side 1 and side 2 of the tape, to >kinda "even things out". But that wasn't even for reissues-- they were >issued that way the first time around. i can't think of the album without those tracks. i didn't even know that they were 'extra tracks' until i stumbled across the vinyl version in a used record store years later. they sound quite at home to me. i love that they are mixed in to preserve the integrity of the album bookends. this is still one of my favorites in his repertoire: the crisp, clean sound; the perfect mixture of his light and dark sides; and the delicate beauty of the songs as they wash over you. i don't skip any tracks. interesting idea about the cassette bonus. i've seen a lot of switching around with cassette versions of albums. typically, the first song on each side is switched; which is much better than having loads of blank space on the end of one side. hate that. >>go out and see michael moore's new documentary 'bowling for columbine'. it is funny, sad, hopeful, and sobering. > >Gawwd, I hate that smirking tub o' goo. By morbid coincidence, I just saw his earlier film "The Big One" a few nights ago, and it only reminded me again of the reasons why I despise his contrived shtick. So, who does he pat himself on the back for disturbing, *this* time? what?! you mean you hate an artist that i love? go figure. i haven't seen 'the big one'; but i'm told it's very similar to 'roger & me'. the new flick has been criticized for having little focus, moving from his characteristic confrontations to supplementary footage encompassing topics as broad as welfare-to-work programs, television news, and the history of paranoia in america. he takes two survivors of the columbine shooting to kmart headquarters to ask them to stop selling ammunition. he interviews folks like marilyn manson, matt stone, and charlton heston; but the credits include other folks like chris rock, dick clark, and george w bush. at the heart of the film is the comparison between canadians and united statesians. canada has a similar ratio of guns to citizens; yet only a tenth of the shooting deaths. it's a sweeping film that covers a lot of ground. it's not an anti-gun film. moore is a lifetime member of the NRA. it's a film that takes a scattershot approach to a complex problem and leaves you with mixed emotions. >I'm kind of surprised people take seriously the idea that >this is a personal revenge thing for Bush. I thought it was >generally assumed that the man himself is a complete >figurehead. I don't think we'd be paying any attention to >Iraq if vendetta were the only or even the primary motive. >This is business and businessmen who get too personal lose >the game. sure, he's a figurehead; but he represents some powerful business interests that are the same folks that were invested in the first gulf war. hell, he's got some of the same people advising him as his father! of course, revenge is an underlying reason for what's driving shrub; but the other big reason is the black gook and the power that comes with controlling its supply. it really burns me when folks say "it's nothing personal; it's just business." you know, when companies fight labor activists with violence, or when big corporations undersell the competition to drive them out, or when jobs and benefits get cut to preserve the profit margin for the execs who get a golden parchute when the whole house of cards collapses. ken "it's hard to be human" the kenster np fear & whiskey mekons ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:41:45 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Bush/Boys/Beatles/Baseball/Bush again... Drew on Bush: > This is business and businessmen who get too personal lose > the game. But... W. was a BAD business man. That's pretty well documented. The family name and money basically kept him in business. And he DOES take things personally, as evidenced by his supposedly "off-microphone" comments. Just sayin'. ___________ Kay: >>Im a gregarious drunk and would probobly just have stuck my tongue out >>and waggled my ears back, which would have been an idiot thing to do. That ear-waggling thing sounds kinda cool. If it presented all the way up to the stage... well, sounds like something Robyn might actually appreciate. Maybe not so much with the tongue, but still. >>But really, I do wonder if all the audiences are >>that heavily male and well, why? The songs talk to me about what it means to >>be human, what it feels like. And since they talk to me where I live, >>they're very cathartic for me. Girl or no. Yeah, that's interesting. Seems to be par-for-the-course for male-fronted bands, that audience breakdown. Seems like I see more women at Robyn's solo shows than at an average show. But I also seem to see more women at sit-down acoustic shows in general. Could be a few things at play there-- rock bands produce a more visceral, physicals (read: male) experience whereas acoustic acts are more emotional or, like, literary (read: female)... clearly I'm just thinking off the top of my head here in a really general way... An early Beatles cover would be nice indeed. I first heard Globe of Frogs and Rubber Soul within the same 90-minute period and the association has always stuck with me. I know you're talking even earlier than that, but think of the tunes on that album. Robyn making "The End" even creepier... "I Want to Tell You" with that shiny riff, the dissonant bits and the low George voice; that'd be primo Soft Boys to me. __________ I also ended up in Orange County during the World Series (game 6), but it was to help clear out a recently deceased friend's apartment. Luckily I was going the opposite direction from traffic and was therefore unscathed. Good thing. I was in no emotional state for a traffic jam. ________________ gSs: >>on friday some partisan wrote: >> But there you go. Ain't that America. That was me. Partisan I ain't, as a recent Nader-related thread should demonstrate. Being anti-Bush doesn't make me a party-line-voting Democrat. I'm registered to that party, but only really to facilitate primary voting. And I rarely vote for the guy who gets the nomination in the "big" races. And then: >>if you americans like things the way they are, remain blind >>two party pidgeons and vote straight party tickets all the while attending >>your various religious ceremonies as appropriate, you fucking idiots, >>etc, etc.... Well, there's something else I'd prefer to believe I'm not. And three things that I do not do. So you're barking up the wrong tree, fella. Does anyone around here vote straight tickets? If so, I'd like to hear their justifcation. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:32:58 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Bush/Boys/Beatles/Baseball/Bush again... On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Rex.Broome wrote: > gSs: > >>on friday some partisan wrote: > >> But there you go. Ain't that America. i should have included a bit more of your line: "He brought dishonor upon my house and we shall have vengeance!" But there you go. Ain't that America. i started the post friday or saturday and was thrown out of pine only to continue the post in the continue post thing pine uses. what i was starting to say initially was that 'ain't that america' was quite narrow. we've have had some real winners come of the united states but the rest of the world, particularly europe and asia has been been producing real winners much longer and has a much bigger list. so a more accurate statement would be 'ain't that earthly'. on top of that, the whole idea about gw wanting revenge on iraq solely to reverse the "dishonor upon my house" caused by his father as being an American phenomenon and should somehow carry an automatic association with the perpetrators as American, is ludicrous and makes the conveyor sound partisan as partisans are always heard making ludicrous statements. did i say that right? i actually forgot where it came from so i put a label with an idea but would have keyed it differently had i remembered the source. > Does anyone around here vote straight tickets? in the last couple elections now that on occasion there is actually a worthwhile listing of something beyond dem and rep? i'm starting to think most libertarians are just democrtas who own guns. there are quite a few people on this list that i would bet my house against ever having voted for a member of the opposite party, whatever that party might be. did i say this list? i meant near any list. > If so, I'd like to hear their justifcation. i don't think you will. change party leader to higher power and party to faith and they will sound like christians justifying christians, muslims justifying muslims, and on and on and on and on...... gSs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:48:35 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Bush/Boys/Beatles/Baseball/Bush again... i meant to include this. On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, gss wrote: > >>etc, etc.... yow, that was a bit pointed. sorry, i'm in a pointed mood and i am having trouble rewriting some code to use ADSI to query and update LDAP directories using both the 4x and 5x trees as opposed to using the LDAP Proxy method. ooh well, better than counting worms, i guess. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:14:33 -0500 From: "Mike Hooker" Subject: bowery ballroom discs hi, ive got my bowery ballroom discs done already. i was jazzed to get them done, and they needed the least amount of work of any tape i ever made, the conditions couldnt have been better. if you want to trade, drop me a line. take at look at my music trading list ( new URL) http://hometown.aol.com/mhooker216/myhomepage/index.html have fun, Mike Hooker ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:15:50 -0700 From: Eb Subject: OK, but where's Pow R. Toc H.? > > Chapter 24 (Pink Floyd) > >Oh, wow! Wow, indeed. :) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:58:11 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: OK, but where's roger On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Eb wrote: > > > Chapter 24 (Pink Floyd) > >Oh, wow! > Wow, indeed. :) speaking of waters, i picked up animals once again last night and i now sit in a pig pool of my own penitence for ever having doubted the power of song. i have about six or seven albums that I have had to replace far more often than seems normal. those being murmur, quadrophenia, animals, another scoop, days like this - v.m., a farewell to kings and one or two others. it must be rift or worm-hole. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 16:07:33 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: trains, guns, and vendettas Ken writes, > it's not > an anti-gun film. moore is a lifetime member of the NRA Well, he claims to have joined the NRA because he wanted to launch a campaign from within the NRA to get enough people to join who will then disband the organization. Uh-huh. Of course, I agree with Eb, I think Moore is a moron, and gives liberals a bad name. I think of him as the Left's Rush Limbaugh. It's not that I disagree with everything he says, but I think: 1. He is self-serving to the extreme. 2. He connects points in a spurious way that gives the illusion of a coherent argument. 3. His arguments, when he makes them, are too-often based on emotion rather than logic. 4. I cannot stand his smugness. Ah, anyway.... - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:47:32 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: I saw some crazy sh*t tonight At 01:44 AM 10/28/2002 -0700, Eb wrote: >David J (Bauhaus, Love & Rockets) *was* in the crowd below...seems like I >was the only one who gave him a second look. The dude has bleached-blonde >hair now, and it looks a lot more "tossled" than in the past. He's as thin >as ever, though! I saw David J, and spoke to him briefly, at an Azure Ray show down here not too long ago. He now resides in Encinitas (north San Diego county), the same town where Ravi Shankar lives and Eddie Vedder grew up. I kinda think I was the only one to recognize him at that show as well... - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:26:17 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #343 >actually an accurate resentment would be 'ain't that earth'. but how soon >we forget. do you really think the sorry dems and reps who follow the >president are doing so to help restore the good name his father lost for >the family? jeez louise that is fucking ridiculous. the left are the right >and are now nearly impossible to distinguish. the similarity is beyond creepy. >it is no longer and probably has never been what's better or worse >overall, it's whatever one side supports, the other side opposes blinding. so - both dems and reps are supporting Bush, the two parties are impossible to distinguish, and whatever one of them says, the other instantly opposes. As Big Bird used to say, one of these things is not like the others. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:12:35 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: michael moore or less >> it's not >> an anti-gun film. moore is a lifetime member of the NRA > >Well, he claims to have joined the NRA because he wanted to launch a >campaign from within the NRA to get enough people to join who will then >disband the organization. hmmm...in the movie, he shows photos of himself as an award-winning marksman in high school; so i dunno. he does depict the organization as pretty insensitive to the communites that have suffered from school gun violence. days after columbine and another shooting incident in flint, moses showed up with his choir to tout their second amendment rights. >1. He is self-serving to the extreme. as a pioneer indie filmmaker, that's to be expected to a certain degree. then again, he did a lot of campaigning for ralph nader during his 2000 presidential bid. >2. He connects points in a spurious way that gives the illusion of a >coherent argument. as i've said, he uses a scattershot approach. i think this brings in a wide variety of points and perspectives in an attempt to get around a large issue like guns and violence. a lot of the connections that he makes are not related to the issue directly; yet are shown to be related in a broader sense. >3. His arguments, when he makes them, are too-often based on emotion rather >than logic. well...it works. sometimes logic falls pretty flat in winning people over. this seems to tie into number 2. the connections make sense on an emotional level. >4. I cannot stand his smugness. i feel the same way about george w. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:37:08 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #343 On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, James Dignan wrote: > >actually an accurate resentment would be 'ain't that earth'. but how soon > >we forget. do you really think the sorry dems and reps who follow the > >president are doing so to help restore the good name his father lost for > >the family? jeez louise that is fucking ridiculous. the left are the right > >and are now nearly impossible to distinguish. the similarity is beyond creepy. > >it is no longer and probably has never been what's better or worse > >overall, it's whatever one side supports, the other side opposes blinding. > > so - both dems and reps are supporting Bush, it does look like he has the overall support of the majority. what is your arguement? are you saying no democrat supports bush on the iraqi issue? or are you saying that the iraqi issue is actually a vendetta to restore honor to the bush family name? re-read the sentence. it says 'the sorry dems and reps who follow the president....'. in fact, the sentence was a question so why don't you answer it? the real kicker is that most democrats and republicans in the house and senate have a great deal of the same ideas and support for certain institutions or policies. and while the ideas are often similar, neither side will ever admit the other is right or they themselves are wrong. they look at strictly as a party loss or gain not matter the issue in just about all matters. it has gotten to be where they support the guy waving the similar flag not matter what he smells like. that is the similarity. >> the two parties are impossible to distinguish, and whatever one of them >> says, the other instantly opposes. that was a bit of an over generalization or absolute and should have been at least slightly reworded but, that IS the similarity. and i said parties, not certain specific individuals. there are always exceptions. unfortunately they are very few. they can change the wig, remove the pumps, get out of the car and take a taxi, dye the hair and sing a new song, but we still have the same politicians doing exactly the same thing. and so here we are. i am starting to think to you actually like things the way they are. > As Big Bird used to say, one of these things is not like the others. and if you can remember, there was always at least three items. in this case the democrats, the republicans and everyone else. we are not like the democrats or the republicans. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 19:16:45 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: michael moore or less Quoting Ken Ostrander : > >1. He is self-serving to the extreme. > > as a pioneer indie filmmaker, that's to be expected to a certain degree. > then again, he did a lot of campaigning for ralph nader during his 2000 > presidential bid. I think, too, that he quite consciously uses his image as working-class schlub to counteract the social elitism of the dominant left (such as it is) in the US. > > >2. He connects points in a spurious way that gives the illusion of a > >coherent argument. > >3. His arguments, when he makes them, are too-often based on emotion > rather > >than logic. > > well...it works. True... > >4. I cannot stand his smugness. > > i feel the same way about george w. True on both counts. Moore is a guilty pleasure of mine: guilty for the reasons Quail cites, pleasure for the reasons Ken cites - and because, dammit, if the right wing can get away with spurious character assassination in persuading the public to think its way, so should the left, at least once in a while. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: PLEASE! You are sending cheese information to me. I don't want it. :: I have no goats or cows or any other milk producing animal! :: --"raus" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:45:25 -0800 From: drew Subject: spirited away We went to Japantown this past Saturday for my birthday, intending mainly to shop and eat dessert crepes, but I happened to notice that Spirited Away was still playing at the AMC Kabuki. We decided to forego dinner to catch a 7 pm showing. It was the right decision. This is definitely one of my favorite animated films ever, if not my favorite full stop. It's gorgeous and captivating on every level, overflowing without being overwhelming, and though it's being handled by Disney it makes their stuff look like Saturday morning swill (not that it was that far off to begin with). Before I saw it I thought Steve was overhyping it. Turns out he was underselling it in a big way. If you have the chance to see Spirited Away, do it. Even if you aren't a big fan of Miyazaki (I had mixed feelings about Princess Mononoke, myself), I think you'll love this. We're lucky to live in San Francisco; not only is it one of the few places where the movie's playing, but I understand it's one of the only places where it's being shown in Japanese with subtitles (as opposed to dubbed). Go see it. Go go go. Even you, Eb. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:14:21 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: [none] Hi, Is anyone planning to record the WFMU broadcast tomorrow? Max _________________________________________________________________ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:24:17 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: I am, from the 128kbps web feed. I'm supposed to show up for jury duty but my automated program should be able to capture it on time. Speaking of which, does anybody have an idea about when the band will actually be on? The web page just says "3-6 pm". - -tc on 10/28/02 6:14 PM, Maximilian Lang at maximlang@hotmail.com wrote: > Hi, Is anyone planning to record the WFMU broadcast tomorrow? > > > Max > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now! > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 20:46:55 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: Bush/Baseball On Monday, October 28, 2002, at 12:41 PM, Rex.Broome wrote: > Does anyone around here vote straight tickets? > If so, I'd like to hear their justification. Saves time, and I was on my lunch hour. I would have voted Libertarian in the races where there wasn't a Democrat, but the early voting place was using those idiot electronic machines and I didn't want to take the time to wheel through the screens. Electronic voting is, I think, a very bad idea. Justification? This is Texas, dude. To be fair, the Republican running for Attorney General is said to be an actual human being (and that's not an office from which, in Texas, you can do much damage). Gotta love a team with a monkey. - - Steve __________ If the president fell flat on his face in the middle of the Rose Garden some of these characters would applaud his uncanny foresight in having arranged for the ground to be in just the right place to break his descent. Shades of the personality cult. - Josh Marshall, on the right wing echo chamber ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:01:58 -0600 From: steve Subject: So Sweet! A couple of people at work, having never heard of Tim Lahaye, were having a WTF half hour today. http://freshair.npr.org/dayFA.cfm?todayDate=current It's so sweet how he hopes that the End Times comes pretty soon so he and Bev can be raptured up together and never have to be alone. Be sure to listen to the second half of the show (that Terry Gross is such a card). And the Council For National Policy? The soon to be (unless we get lucky) Speaker Of The House is a member. - - Steve __________ George W.'s war on Iraq will be the reductio ad absurdum of America's long, slow abandonment of any pretense that the people have any say in the question of whether their government will send some of them far away to kill and die. - Michael Kinsley ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #344 ********************************