From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #337 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, October 23 2002 Volume 11 : Number 337 Today's Subjects: ----------------- book smart, street stupid [drew ] Re: book smart, street stupid [Ken Weingold ] Big, bad albums ["Rex.Broome" ] RE: Big, bad albums ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: #336 [Eb ] Re: village voice [Tom Clark ] Re: book smart, street stupid [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: book smart, street stupid [Jeff Dwarf ] Soft Boys MP3s ["FS Thomas" ] Hard as a Cutting Tool ["Michael Wells" ] Fw: Can it get any better............? ["Chris Gardiner" ] Re: The alpha and the omega [Brian ] Robyn is Jesus!!! ["Kenneth Johnson" ] my own private nextdoorland ["Kenneth Johnson" ] Jonathan Demme Article from SF Comical [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Robyn is Jesus!!! [Tom Clark ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 10:22:29 -0700 From: drew Subject: book smart, street stupid >From: rosso@videotron.ca > >If he did that, some sensitive souls would have wailed about how the >lesser cuts ruin their listening experience Right on. Feh. >From: "Rex.Broome" > >Oh, and I'm not actually anti-They Might Be Giants either; I have their >early stuff, but lost interest after the big "full-band" was rolled out. I hated _John Henry_ and remain indifferent to most of _Mink Car_, but for some reason I ended up loving _Factory Showroom_. Not sure how I feel about 70-minute CDs. I do think they try the patience sometimes, but for compilation albums that's such a luxurious, comfortable length. For a while, Siouxsie and the Banshees' _Twice Upon a Time_ was one of the longest CDs I owned, and it was worth every minute. (Does anyone else think the track selection on the new compilation is a little odd? I like a lot of the choices, but the whole thing seems oddly lopsided. I don't really need to buy it since I can make it myself from my own collection, and substitute "Sick Child" for "Stargazer"...) I want to hear "Skool Dinner Blues" live. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:30:03 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: book smart, street stupid On Tue, Oct 22, 2002, drew wrote: > Not sure how I feel about 70-minute CDs. I do think they try the > patience sometimes, but for compilation albums that's such a > luxurious, comfortable length. For a while, Siouxsie and the > Banshees' _Twice Upon a Time_ was one of the longest CDs I owned, > and it was worth every minute. (Does anyone else think the track > selection on the new compilation is a little odd? I like a lot of the > choices, but the whole thing seems oddly lopsided. I don't really > need to buy it since I can make it myself from my own collection, > and substitute "Sick Child" for "Stargazer"...) I didn't even know there was yet another compilation out. As much as I love the Banshees, I don't think I need this. I have the albums, and was never a big fan of the remixes. Any other reason I should have it? - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:00:15 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Big, bad albums Eb: >>You think Sandinista was "overpraised"? Seems to me like that album >>received mixed reviews, at best. And mostly BECAUSE it was so >>overlong. I think the actual critical response was mixed to poor, but the Clash got a big boost to their "band of the people" rep by insisting that it be sold cheap. Although why anyone would be delighted to hear those dead-sounding kids singing "Career Opportunities", even for free, in the guise of a Clash album track is beyond me. I've always kind of thought that "big" albums, like "ambitious" albums in general, are in equal parts fetishized and reviled by different sectors of rock-geek-dom. I kind of take an "approach with caution" attitude. Some of the ones you listed-- Zen Arcade, Lolita Nation, White Album-- are often cited as "artist bests", which to me they are not at all, which makes me even less likely to spin them, despite being really pretty great in their own rights. Trout Mask and Exile on Main Street, though, strike me as pretty close to the top of, and relatively representative of, their respective heaps and never get old to me. Generally the "big" albums are made by artists I don't like even in small doses, so forget the double-package, especially if you insist on giving it a title that includes phrases like "infinite sadness". It might be instructive to look at a list of bands who make it to, say, their tenth album without succumbing to the temptation to do a double record. Or an "important" one, although that's a bit harder to measure scientifically. Guess we'll have to use magic. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:17:08 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Big, bad albums Nobody has mentioned my favorite dual album yet, or my second favorite. So here goes, #1 Layla and other Assorted Love Songs by Derek and the Dominoes. And #2 Live at the Fillmore East by The Allman Brothers. Sorry, but I think these exhibit some of the best guitar playing of all time, and this is Eric Clapton and Duane Allman at their peaks. The Fillmore East album gets my vote as the best live rock album of all time. The Complete 1961 Village Vanguard Recordings by John Coltrane should also get mentioned if I can toss in a jazz recording and box set. The 4 CD box set that was released four years ago was taken from a 5 day stint at the Village Vanguard in NYC in November of 1961. Incredible live jazz. Michael NP Veruca Salt american thighs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:57:22 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: #336 >Monday, October 28 >THE SOFT BOYS >THE LONESOME ORGANIST >Tickets $20 >All Ages >Doors: 6:00 / Show: 7pm Ooooh, do NOT miss the Lonesome Organist! Though I must say, based on hearing the CDs, that my mental image of him was considerably more exotic than the reality. I was picturing some wild-eyed, shaggy-haired eccentric who lives in a shack somewhere, avoided by neighbors and surrounded with musty piles of 78 records...instead, he was a handsome guy in slacks and button-up shirt who made me wonder if he wasn't a multi-talented child actor who somehow went astray with age. ;) Oh, one more hint: Be sure to get there on time, because his sets are very short. When I saw him, he only played about 25 minutes. I asked him about this afterwards, and he essentially said it's just too exhausting, juggling all those balls for longer than that! >From: MSewell@oxfam.org.uk > >As Robyn finished his intro she >attempted to but in "Can we just say that we love you Robyn". >"We love you Robyn" says the annoying woman, everyone around thinks >"shut-up" >"We love you Robyn" says the annoying woman. >"We love you Robyn" shouts the >bloody woman. "Shut up" shouts everybody, out loud. >"We love you >Robyn" says that bloody woman, "shut-up" says everyone else. NO! Say it ain't so! The dreaded "We Love You!" people have invaded Robyn's concert sphere?? I may have to bring a paint gun to the Hollywood show (if I go...I might be content with just seeing the Amoeba in-store). Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:08:45 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: #336 >Monday, October 28 >THE SOFT BOYS >THE LONESOME ORGANIST >Tickets $20 >All Ages >Doors: 6:00 / Show: 7pm Ooooh, do NOT miss the Lonesome Organist! Though I must say, based on hearing the CDs, that my mental image of him was considerably more exotic than the reality. I was picturing some wild-eyed, shaggy-haired eccentric who lives in a shack somewhere, avoided by neighbors and surrounded with musty piles of 78 records...instead, he was a handsome guy in slacks and button-up shirt who made me wonder if he wasn't some multi-talented child actor who somehow went astray. ;) >From: MSewell@oxfam.org.uk > >As Robyn finished his intro she >attempted to but in "Can we just say that we love you Robyn". >"We love you Robyn" says the annoying woman, everyone around thinks >"shut-up" >"We love you Robyn" says the annoying woman. >"We love you Robyn" shouts the >bloody woman. "Shut up" shouts everybody, out loud. >"We love you >Robyn" says that bloody woman, "shut-up" says everyone else. NO! Say it ain't so! The dreaded "We Love You!" people have invaded Robyn's concert sphere?? I may have to bring a slingshot to the Hollywood show (if I go...I might be content with just seeing the Amoeba in-store). Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:29:16 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: village voice Finally got around to reading the Village Voice review of NDL: http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0242/gross.php And while I can't say I disagree with the tone of the article, I get the feeling Gross hasn't really listened in depth. Even if lines about the Antichrist and diamonds don't cut it, you have to feel for a guy who pleads for "unprotected love" and grin at his Sebadoh name-drop in a tune poking fun at the music industry. Heads rolling on tennis courts, mothers and houseplants trying to poison you, and square-dance instructions that include vehicle destruction are part and parcel of his sanguine love songs. Does "Mr. Kennedy" really poke fun at the music industry? Could he have taken the "Strings" lyrics more literally? I realize music critics are probably overwhelmed with the volume of CD's they listen to, but I think it damages one's credibility to pass off something like this as some kind of lyrical intuition. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:20:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: book smart, street stupid On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, drew wrote: > >From: rosso@videotron.ca > > > >If he did that, some sensitive souls would have wailed about how the > >lesser cuts ruin their listening experience > > Right on. Feh. Okay - but I suspect I'm not the only one here who's glad Robyn isn't like Prince, or even Bob Pollard, releasing triple-CD sets every six months until no one can keep up. Was it someone here who mentioned that interview with John K. of Ren & Stimpy fame, wherein he decries this as "the age of amateurism" for its lack of standards? I'm glad to hear Robyn's outtakes - but I'm also glad to have some idea which *are* his outtakes or second-best, even if I do end up liking some of them better than his notions of his best stuff. I mean ideally, I'd be king, and I could just summon all my favorite musicians to my chamber and command them, "perform for me a rousing blast of ye olde rock'n'roll magic, with a soupcon of psychedelic gleamin' o' the eyen - and make it exactly 123 bpm, with a glockenspiel solo quoting Stravinsky" and thusly make it so - but hey, I'm not, so I've gotta buy most records, which means someone's gotta decide, hmmm, will this thing sell if there's a twenty-minute track of echo-chambered snoring midway through, or not? (I tell ya, I really shouldn't try to make as much grumpy sense as greg...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:22:38 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: Dewan film accompaniment & recital (fwd) Are any of the NY area fegs going to this? Note that going to both events would probably conflict with the sunday SB's gig, but you have two other NY area gigs before that! - -- http://glasshotel.net "wizard in a blizzard, a mystical machine gun" - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:32:07 -0400 From: Brian Dewan To: Show List Subject: Dewan film accompaniment & recital Cabinet magazine invites you to a free double bill: CELLULOID CABINET: An Evening of Unusual Natural History Films with occasional musical accompaniments by Brian Dewan and BRIAN DEWAN IN RECITAL: Extraordinary Music and Songs Come for one or both events Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:30 - 7:30 film screening 8:00 - 9:00 Brian Dewan concert 28 Wooster Street (between Grand and Canal), Manhattan FREE Slightly overpriced refreshments available No need to RSVP DO REMEMBER: DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME ENDS THIS SUNDAY--TURN CLOCKS BACK 1 HOUR Films include: Jean Painleve's "The Vampire" and "The Love Life of the Octopus" Two films drawn from the Prelinger Archive ("The Dodder" and "Ant City") Footage of the last living Tasmanian tiger "Frogs and Toads: Watch Them Sing" "Between the Walls" "Creepy and Crawlers" and more Organized by Matthew Buckingham & Sina Najafi Space courtesy of Consen exhibition. For more information, see http://www.rebeccalawton.com/conseninfo.html Thanks to The Archives Office of Tasmania, Rick Prelinger, Marie Jaeger, Linda Matalon at The Drawing Center, Jesse Lerner, Naomi Ben-Shahar, Lana Lin, and Rachel Berwick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 17:10:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: book smart, street stupid drew wrote: > Not sure how I feel about 70-minute CDs. I do think they try the > patience sometimes, but for compilation albums that's such a > luxurious, comfortable length. For a while, Siouxsie and the > Banshees' _Twice Upon a Time_ was one of the longest CDs I owned, > and it was worth every minute. (Does anyone else think the track > selection on the new compilation is a little odd? I like a lot of > the > choices, but the whole thing seems oddly lopsided. I don't really > need to buy it since I can make it myself from my own collection, > and substitute "Sick Child" for "Stargazer"...) I'm just annoyed that -- again, just like TUAT -- they aren't including "Song From the Edge of the World." I know that it would have put TUAT over 80 minutes, but how about cutting one of the tracks that was already available on an album rather than a stand-apart single? ===== "If we don't allow journalists, politicians, and every two-bit Joe Schmo with a cause to grandstand by using 9-11 as a lame rhetorical device, then the terrorists have already won." -- "Shredder" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:11:14 -0400 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: Soft Boys MP3s They're in the midst of being pushed through a small hose, but if you give it enough time the Kershaw Sessions will be online. http://ochremedia.com/sbs/ Ta. - -ferris. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:30:25 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Hard as a Cutting Tool Okay, immensely enjoying the 10-18-02 BBC songs (thx to woj, et al who got them put up!) when I hear, clear as day: "cottages full of eternal men / all seeking a dream in the old erection." There's not even a little pretense, like it's "ol' direction" or something. So Rex, I think it's good to know we weren't imaging things. And I think the planets have aligned - my two favorite groups of ALL TIMES, RH/SB and Rush, 48 hours apart next week. H*ly Sh*t, Batman. Michael "just getting a wee bit wound up" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:26:49 +0100 From: "Chris Gardiner" Subject: Fw: Can it get any better............? What a delightful review of the "Mean Fiddler" gig from Matt. We were stood right in the centre about five people back from the stage, which placed us left of thin tattooed woman, sound was wonderful. Band seemed to enjoy themselves as much as we all did. Will Mathew ever smile? Will the tattooed thin woman and Mr Slipknot realise how much of an edgy vibe they projected? No, thought not. Will the bloke who continually insists on shouting for "Ugly Nora" get his request? Probably not he's been doing it for some years now. Left the gig with an armpit full of vinyl "Nextdoorland", a perfect excuse to set up my turntable. If these guys don't record a gig on this tour they're crazy, a nice double CD set on Editions Paf!! perhaps? Please send the boys back to us for a proper tour, two gigs is just a tease. Chris Gardiner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:47:59 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: The alpha and the omega James: >The lyric "in my end is my beginning" is T S Eliot, BTW - although >Monty Python's drama critic Mr Millarrrrrrr assigned it to F W Jack, ISTR. Also Queen Mary's motto. Guillame de Machaut (1300-1377) wrote a rondo entitled "ma fin est mon commencement". Thinking of endings and beginings circling cf Om: Get ready for the white light The white light is your friend It shone in the beginning And it is shining at the end Thinking of endings, I haven't tried it yet, perhaps Side 3 would make a decent side 3 to UM. Thinking of endings, Bodies all look alive to me When they're made out of stone And they're standing alone, in the sea Is this an alternative ending to a popular tale of the two statues? Brian "trying to work and to form a unified theory of cherite, naricssus and om" np Side 3 _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:56:55 -0400 From: Brian Subject: Re: The alpha and the omega At Wednesday, 23 October 2002, Brian wrote: >Thinking of endings and beginings circling cf Om: > >Get ready for the white light >The white light is your friend >It shone in the beginning >And it is shining at the end > >Thinking of endings, I haven't tried it yet, perhaps Side 3 would make a >decent side 3 to UM. > >Thinking of endings, > >Bodies all look alive to me >When they're made out of stone >And they're standing alone, in the sea > >Is this an alternative ending to a popular tale of the two statues? > I had the same thought when I 1st heard those lines. Interesting. Anyone else look at the covers of NDL and UM side by side? It's like the statues got old and comfortable. - -Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 07:31:39 -0700 From: "Kenneth Johnson" Subject: Robyn is Jesus!!! pardon my inattentiveness if this has been mentioned already, but has anyone else noticed the imitation of Caravaggio's "Supper at Emmaus" with the photo of the band on the inside? Robyn as Jesus blessing the still life. Interesting symbolism here as the original painting depicts Christ revealing himself to his close friends after the resurrection. Kimberly is Peter. Morris is a startled and amazed disciple as well whose name escapes me. Matthew stands in for the innkeeper. Kenneth ************************************ "Reconsider your definitions. We are prone to judge success by the index of our salaries or the size of our automobiles rather than by the quality of our service and relationship to mankind." --Martin Luther King Jr. ************************************* _________________________________________________________________ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 07:49:26 -0700 From: "Kenneth Johnson" Subject: my own private nextdoorland those reasons for why the Soft Boys and/or their record company released the album and side 3 as they did all make sense. However in the interest of hypothetical speculation, what is the best Soft Boys album from the recent offerings? mine would look like something like this: I Love Lucy Pulse of My Heart Mr Kennedy Evil Guy (live or not) Unprotected Love My Mind is Connected to Your Dreams *** Narcissus Sudden Town Strings Om La Cherite Coming Through I might rearrange the tracks a little more, like flipping Om and Coming Through but that's close enough. Disconnection (even though it bears the title of the album), Silver Wands, Lions & Tigers, and Japanese Captain are all b-side or rare demo disc fodder AFAIC. Kenneth ************************************ "Reconsider your definitions. 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Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:01:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Jonathan Demme Article from SF Comical http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/10/23/DD28775.DTL ===== "If we don't allow journalists, politicians, and every two-bit Joe Schmo with a cause to grandstand by using 9-11 as a lame rhetorical device, then the terrorists have already won." -- "Shredder" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Y! 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