From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #336 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, October 22 2002 Volume 11 : Number 336 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Side 3 [rosso@videotron.ca] Re: Soft Boys BBC Radio 3 setlist [dances with virgos ] woj said [Jill Brand ] Encyclo-Rock and mutiple albums, eh? ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: #335 [Eb ] Re: woj said ["Maximilian Lang" ] Softs in Chicago II ["Michael Wells" ] Softs in Chicago ["Michael Wells" ] Re: Encyclo-Rock and mutiple albums, eh? [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] And the Slipknot fans will come singing shala lalala lalalala la... [MSew] Re: woj said ["Mike Wells" ] Re: That goes to show you what a moon can do [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey <] Re: That goes to show you what a moon can do ["matt sewell" ] Re: bowery (100% Me Too Content) ["Jonathan Fetter" ] Re: bowery (100% Me Too Content) [Mary ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 20:13:20 -0400 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: Side 3 On 21 Oct 2002 at 7:34, Kenneth Johnson wrote: > why not one cd with all the tracks for $15? Ooooh! Ohhhh! I know! Ask me! If he did that, some sensitive souls would have wailed about how the lesser cuts ruin their listening experience, and how they'd have preferred not having them on the disc over pressing the "next track" button on the player. Those same people will now plunk down extra money for an interesting disc of demos and out-takes without a second thought. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 20:47:34 -0400 From: dances with virgos Subject: Re: Soft Boys BBC Radio 3 setlist okay, captured the realaudio stream from our friends at the bbc and you can download the clips for the soft boys session at http://www.smoe.org/woj/robynmp3/ quality is fair and the file size is small (3.2meg for the first part and 2.2 meg for the second). i've got a lead on some high-quality mp3s created from a digital radio source, so soon as i get them i'll make them available as well. stay tooned. woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 20:51:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: woj said " one wonders if they would have been better off booking a boston show on sunday...especially with the maxwell's gigs happening just across the hudson." AIN'T THAT THE FUCKING TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I still can't believe that I'm missing this tour. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:52:52 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Encyclo-Rock and mutiple albums, eh? Drew: >>_Exile in Guyville_ may be a response album but it's a pretty amazing one. Aha, yet another one we agree on! Despite using it as an example of list-geek music, I consider it an absolute classic. Me: >> Or maybe I'm just a horrible musical and cultural snob. Drew: >>That would imply your tastes are better than everyone else's, >>as opposed to just different. Really? To me snobs are usually wrong, in addition to being full of themselves. That's what I was trying to imply about myself. It's a pejorative term in my book; someone who all hoity-toity and highfalutin in a bad way. Sorry if it came off as *actual* snobbery! Oh, and I'm not actually anti-They Might Be Giants either; I have their early stuff, but lost interest after the big "full-band" was rolled out. I'll admit, if they appeared on the music scene today, as opposed to my freshman year in high school, I probably wouldn't fall in love with them the way I did then. But that's pure conjecture. I like a lotta goofy shit. __________ Side 3 etc.: Kenneth J.: > is anyone else perturbed, even a little, by Robyn and the boys and/or the > record company for releasing side 3 and vinyl outtakes when all the material > should make up one album, one release... Only "sorta", because I do agree with this from Jeffrey: >>For that matter, I think it's generally a good thing that everyone isn't >>releasing seventy-minute CDs anymore. And since we all would buy NDL anyway, it's kind of a chance to toss a little more support to the S'Boys. And that's fine for me since it kinda prevents me from wasting money on amateurish indie-folk crud. But the drag is that this repeated practice on Robyn's behalf has resulted in a string of albums that we all would've programmed differently, and we all know how. For some reason it bugs me less with NDL, though... although there are maybe two tunes I would sub out (could change once I actually hear Side 3), I find NDL to be pretty well-sequenced and don't mind a "companion EP"... it beats a whole other album sharing half the tracks in different versions; that was getting old-- "two frustrating listening experiences for the price of... two!" Also I really can't be arsed with the vinyl issue for the 45 of live tracks. I have limits on the amount of times and formats in which I'll buy exactly the same tracks, and I listen to CD's exponentially more than vinyl. And I got mouths to feed. _____________ Use of "eh": Despite the fact that this is now a well-known tic of Canadian speech, to me, seeing it written always evokes "comic book villain dialogue", which is where I first encountered it. It looked kinda like this: "So, he thinks he can escape my killer robots, eh? We'll see about that!" My brother and I always pronounced it "ehh", with a short "e" sound, until we saw SCTV and connected the McKenzie Brothers with the the expression's frequent use in the Canadian-themed superhero comic "Alpha Flight". Which hopefully absolves me of at least a little bit of snobbery... - -Rex... a lowfalutin guy if there ever was one... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 22:43:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: NDL/Funeral music/Eh? On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, James Dignan wrote: > days. The lyric "in my end is my beginning" is T S Eliot, BTW - although > Monty Python's drama critic Mr Millarrrrrrr assigned it to F W Jack, ISTR. The correct interpretation of this line is as follows: a "hinning" is obscure WWI British fighter pilot slang for one's head. "Beginning," then, is a very poor pun - and the entire phrase actually means "my head is up my ass." I do too have a straight face. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::American people like their politics like Pez - small, sweet, and ::coming out of a funny plastic head. __Dennis Miller__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 19:19:11 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: #335 >From: Ken Ostrander > > >>Good-to-great albums, but maybe overpraised >>>just because they're so imposingly BEEEEEG. > >you forgot _sandanista!_. You think Sandinista was "overpraised"? Seems to me like that album received mixed reviews, at best. And mostly BECAUSE it was so overlong. (Actually, that's one of the top items on my catalog shopping list...I've never even heard the whole thing.) In other news: I received a press release today from Capitol Records, announcing an upcoming six-disc label retrospective. Each disc will summarize one decade (40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s+00s) with sixteen representative tracks. "Walking on Sunshine" is on the '80s disc. Just thought I'd mention another financial boost to K. Rew's coffers. Seemed to me like certain Capitol acts were notably missing from the tracklist, such as the Raspberries and the Cocteau Twins. Also surprised not to see the Butthole Surfers' "Pepper" on the '90s disc, given what a huge hit it was. I guess Capitol is now embarrassed they ever signed the band.... Oh, a personal message to Aaron Mandel, whose address I don't have saved: Look here and see what you think. http://www.geocities.com/onedividedbytwo/bpacker.html Eb now lovin': Beck/Sea Change ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 22:13:36 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: woj said >From: Jill Brand >" one wonders if they would have >been better off booking a boston show on sunday...especially with the >maxwell's gigs happening just across the hudson." > >AIN'T THAT THE FUCKING TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >I still can't believe that I'm missing this tour. > >Jill I shouldn't complain but... three shows in the NYC area, none in Philly, none in DC, none in Boston. I am sure people all over the midwest are a bit disappointed. I am going to the Maxwell's show which means I'll be getting home after three AM. Maybe they have a big fan base up in NY but they do have alot of fans elsewhere. Perhaps they only had a short window of time to tour and felt that NY was the easiest locale for east coasters to get to? Taper scum, Max _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 20:40:54 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Softs in Chicago II It looks like early doors at 6pm, which I know will make it tight for folks (like me) hustling to get there from work. I'll suggest The Gingerman Pub be used again as a meeting place for those who do get there early - just a door or two North of Metro on Clark, can't miss it. I'll try to be there myself, but I'll be wanting to pop into Metro when the doors open...gotta get a good spot... ;-p And let's all join hands and pray for 'Sandra's Having Here Brane Out' on this tour, shall we? Will we get another chance? Michael "maybe 'Return of the Sacred Crab' instead" Wells np. Rout of the Clones ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 20:19:51 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Softs in Chicago Well, it appears the question of an opening act has been answered: Monday, October 28 THE SOFT BOYS THE LONESOME ORGANIST Tickets $20 All Ages Doors: 6:00 / Show: 7pm bio: (taken from http://www.thrilljockey.com/bandpage.html?artistnum=23 ) The Lonesome Organist is Jeremy Jacobsen. He plays Organ, Piano, Drums, Guitar, Steel Drums, Toy Piano, Vibraphone, Marimba, Toy Vibraphone, Harmonica, and programming.This one man band astounds the crowds by playing drums, organ, harominca, toy piano, toy vibes and singing - All at the same time! Jeremy's music is equal parts carnival - the travelling variety, Italian soundtrack, and the blessed primative, R & B based Rock and Roll. Some may be familiar with Mr Jacobsen as he has loaned his musical expertise and eccentricity to records by the John Spencer Blues Explosion, Euphone, PW Long's Reelfoot and the recently re-formed 5ive Style among others. Mr. Jacobsen resides in Chicago, Illinois. http://www.thrilljockey.com/dirtypilot.mp3 Oh my. Should get the evening off to an interesting start. And on a Soft-related note, recently announced for Metro: Wednesday, November 27 SOFT CELL Tickets $25 advance / $30 day os show 21 & over Doors: 8:00 / Show: 9:00pm Criminy, $25? Michael "bet you thought I was going to say 'Tainted Love'" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 23:27:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Encyclo-Rock and mutiple albums, eh? On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Rex.Broome wrote: > -Rex... a lowfalutin guy if there ever was one... I can't figure out how to falute well enough to work on *aiming* it. Then again, I've also never mastered fangling. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::beliefs are ideas going bald:: __Francis Picabia__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:33:56 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: Soft Boys in San Francisco |Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 20:23:11 -0700 |From: steve howard |Subject: Soft Boys in San Francisco | | Is also the only us date listed in pollstar.com..... Is |Slim's really that bad? The last time at the Fillmore, I |didn't care for the no seats seating, except for a few tables |on the side balcony where we were close enough to the |beginning of the line to get into, but not close enough to get |a table where we could see the band, so we occasionally went |over to have a look and just enjoyed the listen. |- --- |Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. |Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). |Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 7/1/02 I spoke with Scott McGaughey after the Minus 5 show in Chapel Hill last Friday about the Soft Boys tour plans. He said the YFF had been approached again by the Soft Boys camp to open their shows again this Fall, but that he was busy working on the next REM recordings so it was doubtful. He was told to expect only 10-12 dates in the US, smaller than the Underwater Moonlight tour. - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 09:48:12 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: That goes to show you what a moon can do Lyric at: http://members.lycos.nl/teejo/lyrics/trout1.html Song: Moonlight on Vermont I like your verse, though! - - MRG PS Mark Saucier has his crazed interpretation of the words at: http://www.beefheart.com/walker/lyrics/tmr/moonlightonvermont_notes.htm On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Jonathan Fetter wrote: > Does that go "We will dance llike those old druids, > they drank fermented fluids > dancing naked in the wo-ods > and that's good enough for me"? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 10:14:31 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: That goes to show you what a moon can do Cheers Mike, Great interpretation - crazed as you so rightly say, but interesting, though... it's always struck me that the section where he's singing "Come out to show them" is just like a very strange piece by Steve Reich, which is a recording of someone saying (something I can't remember about blues blood) "... come out to show them" this section is then repeated and repeated, multi-tracked and wound in and out of synch... a very odd piece, but sounds great when you're dead, as it were... Trout Mask would be my desert island disc - I reckon yer average album has about 50 plays in it (maybe less maybe more). Trout Mask, otoh, is ever changing - every time one listens to it, one hears something new... Cheers Matt >From: Michael R Godwin >To: Jonathan Fetter > >Lyric at: >http://members.lycos.nl/teejo/lyrics/trout1.html >Song: Moonlight on Vermont > >I like your verse, though! > > >- MRG > >PS Mark Saucier has his crazed interpretation of the words at: >http://www.beefheart.com/walker/lyrics/tmr/moonlightonvermont_notes.htm > > >On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Jonathan Fetter wrote: > > Does that go "We will dance llike those old druids, > > they drank fermented fluids > > dancing naked in the wo-ods > > and that's good enough for me"? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 06:56:30 -0500 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: Softs in Chicago At 08:19 PM 10/21/02, Michael Wells wrote: >Well, it appears the question of an opening act has been answered: > >Monday, October 28 >THE SOFT BOYS >THE LONESOME ORGANIST Oh, my. I saw the Lonesome Organist open for Guided By Voices, and he is a treat! One song consisted entirely of the word "the" over and over again, and I didn't mind a bit. I can't imagine that it's nearly as interesting on record as it is live -- so much of the appeal is about watching him *do* all of that at the same time. dolph ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:09:20 +0100 From: MSewell@oxfam.org.uk Subject: And the Slipknot fans will come singing shala lalala lalalala la... Well, I've not seen any other reviews for the Mean Fiddler gig, so here's mine... there's not a great deal to write about in terms of surprises in the setlist - the set was very similar to the Railway... Getting off the Oxford Tube, which had crawled into London, we took the proper tube to Charing Cross... hmm, couldn't find the venue, ridiculously enough, ended up flagging a cab. The venue has an entrance that is scaffolded and unmarked - we have to check with the bouncers that we have the right place. Once we're in, it's downstairs to the bar, which overlooks the stage and audience area... stood at the bar is an ex-Ugly Rumour in full evening dress - no, not the one that runs the country, answering only to GWBush, the other one, Old Grey Whistle Test bloke. Anyway, we buy our cans and get our plastic glasses and make our way down to the front of the audience. We've missed the support band. It doesn't seem like long before the Soft Boys pop up and plug in. Kingdom of Love begins the set - the band look like they're enjoying themselves immensely, Robyn is all smiles and it feels like this set will top even last night's. The set was entirely the same as Winchester's up until Bells Of Rhymney, thus we have Queen Of Eyes (of course), an excellent version of Mr K, before which Robyn explains who Mr K is, and the circumstances of the tour with Sebadoh. Sudden Town is introduced with a long spiel about trams and how long ago it was since there were any in London... I think that people were talking all the way through this, which seemed to annoy Robyn somewhat - he went on to say that this audience like everyone in the modern world doesn't have the attention span to hear about overhead wiring (I'm paraphrasing very heavily here). During this, a thin, tatooed woman pushed her way in front of where we were standing. As Robyn finished his intro she attempted to but in "Can we just say that we love you Robyn". A shudder of annoyance from me and everyone around me, a slightly withering look from Robyn. Sudden Town, as last night, is superb, quite a highlight. Unfortunately, during Sudden Town, the thin, tatooed, annoying woman is joined by a tall bloke in a Slipknot t-shirt, who starts dancing in that modern, rap-kinda stylee you see so much on MTV. I turn to Jim Bishop and point out the bloke's got the wrong t-shirt on. The geezer must have picked up on this as he takes off his t-shirt almost as I'm saying it. He's naked from the waist up for the rest of the gig (am I wrong and uptight to object to this?). The bloke's mate throws a t-shirt onto the stage. I still can't believe it when they play Hear My Brane, even though I heard it last night, the same goes for Vegetable Man. Both songs are as good as you'd expect them to be, the guitar duet in HMB being again a highlight, as is the instumental in VM. Robyn picks up the t-shirt and inspects it. It is a Rage Against The Machine one. He's not impressed. "We love you Robyn" says the annoying woman, everyone around thinks "shut-up", Robyn gives a long intro to Bells of Rhymney. Someone shouts out "Bells Of Rhymney". "Very accurately forseen, my friend" says Robyn. There may have been annoyance in his voice, or I may have been projecting. What the hell is up with this audience? BoR is absolutely fantastic - I've always found the Soft Boys' version a little raggety, but tonight it shines. A lovely, warm version of La Cherite follows, then I Love Lucy. Robyn's keeping the intros short now. "We love you Robyn" says the annoying woman. Her bloke is having some sort of altercation with the kind bloke who gave me my blim back on the boat trip. The mood in the audience is about the strangest I've experienced at a Robyn gig, perhaps entirely down to these dreadful people in front. I think they've probably taken rather too much cocaine. Pulse Of My Heart is good, When I Was A Kid is fantastic, really awesome, better than any of the studio versions. "We love you Robyn" shouts the bloody woman. "Shut up" shouts everybody, out loud. Strings takes on a menacing vibe - perhaps it's the audience, but today it's almost frightening. An absolutely mighty I Wanna Destroy You blows up in our faces, followed by the octave groove of UM. I can't remember the mid-song rant... anyone who was there, could you? That's the end of the set. The kind bloke who gave me back my blim on the boat trip is now virtually coming to blows with the bloke not wearing the Slipknot t-shirt. I use this as an excuse to push past Mr Naked and Mr Kind and enjoy the encores. Narcissus is first, a song that's really growing on me. Only The Stones Remain is very welcome, grinning and ovulating for those of you keeping score. Unprotected Love is, like last night, a real highlight, Insanely Jealous closely on its heels. "Happy Christmas" says Robyn. "We love you Robyn" says that bloody woman, "shut-up" says everyone else. The Soft Boys disappear for a second time, reappearing to give us Rocknroll Toilet. The lights come up, the annoying couple melt away, as does the kind bloke and his wife. We drift off to the aptly named (and inaptly quite horrible) Moon Under Water for a post-gig beer. It's as great as it usually is to see the many regulars: it's a shame there just wasn't enough time to speak to all for as long as I'd wanted. The Soft Boys are currently on fire; by the time they get off the plane, they'll probably be burned to a crisp. Enjoy the US shows! Cheers Matt We have the chance to lift millions out of poverty. Only one thing is missing -- you. Please join the Oxfam trade campaign at http://www.maketradefair.com Oxfam works with others to find lasting solutions to poverty and suffering. Oxfam GB is a member of Oxfam International, a company limited by guarantee and registered in England No. 612172. Registered office: 274 Banbury Road, Oxford OX2 7DZ. Registered charity No. 202918. Visit the web site at http://www.oxfam.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 08:16:50 -0500 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: woj said > I shouldn't complain but... three shows in the NYC area, none in Philly, > none in DC, none in Boston. I am sure people all over the midwest are a bit > disappointed. I am going to the Maxwell's show which means I'll be getting > home after three AM. Maybe they have a big fan base up in NY but they do > have alot of fans elsewhere. Perhaps they only had a short window of time to > tour and felt that NY was the easiest locale for east coasters to get to? That third show date puzzled me from the get-go...if you're going to stay on the ground, why not go to Boston or Philly and hit another market? And f you're going to be flying, it would seem like you might want to get out of NYC on Sunday and either get to Chicago early or hit another city like Detroit or Cincinnati. Perhaps there's other promotional activities that Matador has them wrapped up in in NYC, that they need to be there for another day playing in a smaller venue? Are there in-stores happening or something? Michael "glad to be living in Chicago right about now" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 08:40:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: That goes to show you what a moon can do On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, matt sewell wrote: > Great interpretation - crazed as you so rightly say, but interesting, > though... it's always struck me that the section where he's singing "Come > out to show them" is just like a very strange piece by Steve Reich, which > is a recording of someone saying (something I can't remember about blues > blood) "... come out to show them" this section is then repeated and > repeated, multi-tracked and wound in and out of synch... a very odd > piece, but sounds great when you're dead, as it were... That's because the good Captain had heard the Reich piece: the influence is very much there, and quite consciously done. I think I read this in the notes to that box set that came out a few years ago (title forgotten). - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. ::That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! __Thomas Pynchon, VINELAND__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:44:57 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: That goes to show you what a moon can do Aha! Cheers... I'd always wondered whether this was the case. Ta! Matt >From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey >Reply-To: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey >To: pants tremor! >Subject: Re: That goes to show you what a moon can do >Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 08:40:10 -0500 (CDT) > >On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, matt sewell wrote: > > > Great interpretation - crazed as you so rightly say, but interesting, > > though... it's always struck me that the section where he's singing "Come > > out to show them" is just like a very strange piece by Steve Reich, which > > is a recording of someone saying (something I can't remember about blues > > blood) "... come out to show them" this section is then repeated and > > repeated, multi-tracked and wound in and out of synch... a very odd > > piece, but sounds great when you're dead, as it were... > >That's because the good Captain had heard the Reich piece: the influence >is very much there, and quite consciously done. I think I read this in the >notes to that box set that came out a few years ago (title forgotten). > >--Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > >J e f f r e y N o r m a n >The Architectural Dance Society >www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html >::As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. >::That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! >__Thomas Pynchon, VINELAND__ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 09:48:15 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: That goes to show you what a moon can do > Great interpretation - crazed as you so rightly say, but interesting, > though... it's always struck me that the section where he's singing "Come > out to show them" is just like a very strange piece by Steve Reich, which > is a recording of someone saying (something I can't remember about blues > blood) "... come out to show them" this section is then repeated and > repeated, multi-tracked and wound in and out of synch Glass and Reich were very influential on numerous bands from that era, including Captain Beefheart. (As well as Eno, King Crimson, Tangerine Dream, and later David Byrne and Stereolab....) In fact, I'm pretty sure that the Beefheart piece is directly inspired by Reich's early phase-shifting tape loops -- it's been a while since I heard the Beefheart piece.... - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:13:18 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: That goes to show you what a moon can do On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > That's because the good Captain had heard the Reich piece: the influence > is very much there, and quite consciously done. I think I read this in the > notes to that box set that came out a few years ago (title forgotten). "Grow Fins" Worth buying to hear him singing Howlin' Wolf's "Evil" and seeing the .mov of the classic Magic Band playing "Click Clack". I bow to the knowledge of the Steve Reich experts, but I must point out that Don was experimenting with "word-pattern" vocals well before TMR. You can hear things like "going to the cottage cottage going to the cottage cottage college college cottage college" on '25th Century Quaker' and I remember him doing similar word mutation at Middle Earth in '68 - the nearest thing on GF is the Kidderminster "You're gonna need somebody on your bond". Another example on TMR is that bit that goes "in feast in jest ingest incest inspect in spreck in spreckled spreckulation" (or some such thing). One of the most enjoyable things about those sixties' Beefheart performances was the experimental vocals that he did. The "Spotlight Kid"/"Clear Spot" band was more awe-inspiring but also more controlled, and there was always a fair chance that Don would completely foul up a pre-planned vocal part. At the penult Magic Band show I saw in Bristol in 1980, he kept getting all his entries wrong and missing bits out. Fortunately the very last time I saw the Magic Band (London Venue November 1980) he had sorted himself out. - - Mike Godwin n.p. Sweet 'Ballroom Blitz' ("OK fellers, let's GOOOOOO!!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 10:32:37 -0400 From: dances with virgos Subject: Re: Soft Boys BBC Radio 3 setlist when we last left our heroes, dances with virgos exclaimed: >i've got a lead on some high-quality mp3s created from a digital radio >source, so soon as i get them i'll make them available as well. stay tooned. now available from http://smoe.org/woj/sb-bbc3.html -- thanks to rob for the files and aaron for the bandwidth (aaron, if it's no longer cool to use hollowstreets for a file server, please let me know asap!). woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:40:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: Re: bowery (100% Me Too Content) Ach, ja. On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 22:59:54 -0000, "melissa" wrote : > anyone going to the satruday show at the bowery ballroom? > > melissa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:57:15 -0400 From: Mary Subject: Re: bowery (100% Me Too Content) I'll be at the Saturday show. Are folks getting together beforehand for a drink or dinner? Also, according to the Bowery Ballroom website the show starts at 11pm rather than 10pm which is printed on the tickets. I guess it's best to call the venue to verify the time change. s.Mary np - Eno - Moebius - Roedelius - Plank "Begegnungen" ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #336 ********************************