From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #327 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, October 16 2002 Volume 11 : Number 327 Today's Subjects: ----------------- The Beauty of CDDB [Tom Clark ] Re: [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Robyn talks about... me! ["Rex.Broome" ] trouser press [drew ] Re: trouser press [Ken Weingold ] PU/CCR (33% Breastfeeding Content) ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: PU/CCR (33% Breastfeeding Content) [Tom Clark ] Re: PU/CCR (33% Breastfeeding Content) [gSs ] Re: PU/CCR (33% Breastfeeding Content) [John McIntyre ] Re: PU/CCR (33% Breastfeeding Content) [Christopher Gross ] Re: your male [gSs ] Re: paisley ghosts [gSs ] Misappropriated songs [The Great Quail ] Re: Misappropriated songs [Dolph Chaney ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 07:46:57 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: The Beauty of CDDB Kiwi Symphony's Errant Scat Music By Kim Griggs Story location: http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,55701,00.html 02:00 AM Oct. 11, 2002 PDT WELLINGTON, New Zealand -- They had been expecting Wagner; instead, they got "Wee on My Face." When subscribers to the New Zealand Symphony Orchestra used Internet-based media players to listen to CDs sent to promote the orchestra's musical offerings next season, the playlist was not exactly classical music. "I have received a give-away CD from the (orchestra) a few days ago called Season 2003," one subscriber wrote to complain. "However, the names of the pieces were (so) hard to handle that I cannot type (them) on this e-mail." The titles of the eight tracks on the CD, the album's name and the name of the artist displayed on media players all revolved around urination and defecation. "Maybe I Fart on Your Face" was not what the classical fans had been expecting. It turned out that one of the 8,000 subscribers who received the promotional CD was a university student in the southern New Zealand town of Christchurch. And he'd used an Internet-based media player to listen to the tracks. "He received the NZSO promotional CD, put it into his computer and then he was prompted to put the titles in," said Constable Todd Webley, to whom the student unburdened himself when the titles became news. "He's on his girlfriend's computer, and he was mucking around being stupid and thinking it's just going into that computer alone and not realizing that it's going to be sent into cyberspace." But the data the student entered did go out, to the horror of the orchestra, which received several irate e-mails within days of the CD's posting in late September. The data the student typed in had been lodged with U.S. database service Gracenote, so anyone else who used a media player connected to the Gracenote database also saw the student's handiwork. "We removed the false data as soon as (the symphony) contacted us about it," Ross Blanchard, director of marketing at Gracenote, said. Usually, Blanchard said, any mistakes on the database will either be caught by the filters in the software itself or by the company's editors manually checking the data. But the priority for checking goes to music with the most traffic. "The data in question was only looked up by 11 total users, including the person who submitted the data, the NZSO and their lawyers," Blanchard said. Nonetheless, Gracenote is considering programming its software to flag any data with objectionable language for manual oversight. The NZSO, which has recently recorded a new album, locked in the playlist itself this time. And while the Christchurch student won't be charged, he is very, very embarrassed. "He definitely had no malicious intent in doing it to upset anyone else," said Constable Webley. "It was for his girlfriend's benefit, I'd say." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:18:45 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: - --On Tuesday, October 15, 2002 14:32:11 +0000 Montauk Daisy wrote: > condolances to Kiwis, Ausssies, Brits and Krauts(is there a less negative > short nickname?) Germs? ;-) - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ Being just contaminates the void - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:36:14 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Robyn talks about... me! Robyn himself, on his old master tapes: >>Well, it's just some warehouse in Burbank, and there's some guy sitting there >>with this supply of candles. And he waits until one candle burns right down to >>the stub and then he blows it out. And then he pulls a lighter out of his pocket >>and lights a new candle and puts it on top of his desk. And the camera pans >>back, and you see that he's all alone in this huge, dark warehouse. Bright >>California sun is beating down outside and he's sitting there with one glowing >>candle and thousands of master tapes, the whole A&M back catalog. I'm not sure >>I'm even going to attempt to dig that stuff up. But I do have the rights to the rest >>of it. See, I am, almost literally, and at this very moment, THAT GUY! Actually, we shipped out all of the A&M material back in 1999 and it is now in Pittsburgh, but yeah, that guy was me, right here in Burbank. Not the most flattering portrait, but better than the last time Robyn mentioned me, when he wanted you to dig me in tunnels with gerbils in your annex. Rex, lighting another candle... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:08:50 -0700 From: drew Subject: trouser press > From: "Rex.Broome" > Don't much care about the "new" Nirvana single. I never cared much about the "old" ones. :) Nirvana seemed like just another band to me when they came out. I never thought they'd acquire the mythical status they did, even before Kurt's suicide. It still strikes me as much ado about nothing, but then pretty much all grunge strikes me that way. > From: "Bachman, Michael" > > In fact, that's were I first read about > the SB's was from a TP record guide. Me too -- in fact, I could say that about lots of the bands I like. I love the Trouser Press record guides. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:14:15 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: trouser press On Tue, Oct 15, 2002, drew wrote: > >From: "Rex.Broome" > > >Don't much care about the "new" Nirvana single. > > I never cared much about the "old" ones. :) Nirvana seemed > like just another band to me when they came out. I never thought > they'd acquire the mythical status they did, even before Kurt's suicide. > It still strikes me as much ado about nothing, but then pretty much > all grunge strikes me that way. You know, I feel the exact same way. I remember when Smells Like Teen Spirit came out. I thought it was a pretty cool song. I checked out the album. I thought it was pretty cool. Nothing more. Amazes me how huge they got. Same for Nine Inch Nails I think. Head Like A Hole was being played in clubs a lot in '89. Cool song. Won tickets to see them at a dive called City Gardens in Trenton, NJ, that year. Cool show. Meat Beat Manifesto, who opened, sucked ass. Still thought Nine Inch Nails was merely cool. Never even bought the album. Then before I knew it, they were playing arenas. Huh? To each his own I suppose. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:35:40 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: PU/CCR (33% Breastfeeding Content) Ross T: >>I was always happy but surprised that Robyn didn't get more lumped in with the >>Paisley Underground in the 80s. That's true. He crossed paths professionally with a lot of those guys, but when people talk about the artists he's influenced, it's always Athens/Minneapolis, not LA, that comes up... see "Truth About Charlie" blurb elsewhere. By the way, what an awful name that was for musical "movement". I'd disavow that faster than "Goth" any day. _____ Michael Wells: >>CCR's "Fortunate Son," and the video shows young twentysomethings >>leaping around and while the classic guitar riff bangs in. JF's voice enters >>and delivers the opening line 'some folks are born, made to wave the flag' - - >>and then is clipped off, as the riff magically reappears I almost ranted about this a few months ago (but I thought it slightly too O/T, so, see, I do have *some* restraint). That ad is abominable and I bet Fogerty's still fuming about it as yet another indignity done to his back catalogue by Fantasty, and rightfully so. I was trying to think of another song, particularly one of Robyn's, that could have its intent SO COMPLETELY REVERSED by the use of a single line. Any takers on that one? _________________ Kay: >>Think how you cradle a baby or a football. There's a nursing position for newborns which is actually called "the football hold". Funny how some of these nursing/child-rearing terms start to seem to show up in rock songs when you're exposing yourself to both. Jon Spencer's song "Latch On" was forever altered for me by that same phenomenon. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:37:00 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: oh hell, my stones ranking On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Eb wrote: >> Weird. I'd rank it as my sixth *favorite*, after Aftermath, Beggars, >> Let It Bleed, Sticky and Exile. >* I don't have any problems with those selections (though I prefer 'Get >your ya-yas out' to 'Let it bleed'). But after that I would rank Rolling >Stones Number 1, 'Out of our heads', and 'Some girls' way ahead of >'Between the Buttons', and I would also rather hear 'Black & Blue', >'Goat's Head Soup', Rolling Stones No. 2 and 'Satanic Majesties' (which >has after all got '2000 light years' on it). It's difficult to discuss >this across the Atlantic because all the albums up to (?)Aftermath are different. In descending order, thinking of US versions since that's what was available, top 10+: Beggars Banquet Let It Bleed Get Your Ya Yas Out Sticky Fingers High Tide & Green Grass Some Girls Aftermath Exiles on Main St. Between the Butt Black & Blue [Goat's Head Soup] [Metamorphosis -- for 4 songs] [Emotional Rescue] [Their Satanic Majesties Request] ... least favorite -- Undercover I basically have never forgiven TSMR for being so not as good as BB, or so different. BB was my 1st record ever & I immediately had to have more like it, so I, naturally, bought the previous record & what a surprise. I couldn't buy many records back then & there were tons of records to buy, so I didn't get to the older stuff for a while (plus it sounded so ... old. I was 14 in '68. Who ever thought I'd live to be a million?) Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:45:59 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: PU/CCR (33% Breastfeeding Content) on 10/15/02 10:35 AM, Rex.Broome at Rex.Broome@preferredmedia.com wrote: > That ad is abominable and I bet > Fogerty's still fuming about it as yet another indignity done to his back > catalogue by Fantasty, and rightfully so. I was trying to think of another > song, particularly one of Robyn's, that could have its intent SO COMPLETELY > REVERSED by the use of a single line. Any takers on that one? Off the top of my head: "The President is talking to us, through a microphone" - -tc N.p. Brian Stevens "Prettier Than You" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:48:47 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: PU/CCR (33% Breastfeeding Content) On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Rex.Broome wrote: > that could have its intent SO COMPLETELY REVERSED by the use of a > single line. Any takers on that one? ted, woody and junior gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:30:33 -0400 From: John McIntyre Subject: Re: PU/CCR (33% Breastfeeding Content) "Rex.Broome" wrote: > I was trying to think of another > song, particularly one of Robyn's, that could have its intent SO COMPLETELY > REVERSED by the use of a single line. Any takers on that one? Timbuk 3 have turned down lots of offers from sunglass companies for the use of "The Future's So Bright I Have To Wear Shades." John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:53:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: More cracking toast! Brand new Wallace & Gromit episodes: Rumor is Aardman made these as practice for an upcoming feature-length Wallace & Gromit film. . Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:51:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: PU/CCR (33% Breastfeeding Content) Rex.Broome wrote: > that could have its intent SO COMPLETELY REVERSED by the use of a > single line. Any takers on that one? How about "Cynthia Mask" -- "Oh thank you, Herr Hitler." - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:21:41 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Paisley, ads, bombs and ghosts >>I was always happy but surprised that Robyn >>didn't get more lumped in with the Paisley >>Underground in the 80s. I once heard Weasel on >>WHFS say about "The Devil's Coachman" "that's >>nouveau psychedelia," but that's all. (I >>actually like the song so I took umbrage.) > > Didn't you have to be from California to be part >of the Paisley Underground in the 80's? The Rain Parade, >Bangles, Green on Red and The Three O'Clock were all >California bands I believe. I'd always thought Green On Red were from somewhere in the southeast, like Guadalcanal Diary (who I tend to lump in with the Paisley Underground bands) - --- >The song is CCR's "Fortunate Son," and the video shows young twentysomethings >leaping around and while the classic guitar riff bangs in. JF's voice enters >and delivers the opening line 'some folks are born, made to wave the flag' - >and then is clipped off, as the riff magically reappears. Frolicking by >attractive jean models continues in front of an American flag waving briskly >in the background. The song is suddenly now a GOOD thing. Holy Christ. > >Content perceived as threatening disappears. Disneyfication of the world >continues. Aaarrrghh. exactly the same sort of thing is done here with the New Radicals' song "You get what you give" advertising the latest yuppy car. A gentle smoothing out and editing removes lines about kicking in car headlights and all the ones which are delightfully anti-corporate, in order to advertise for a megalopolistic company. Snh. - --- >Before the ususal high geek trivia--condolances to Kiwis, Ausssies, Brits >and Krauts(is there a less negative short nickname?) I cant believe anyone >could bomb clubs full of innocent kids just starting out in life. If I were >their parents I'd be insane with rage. > >With extremists on both sides doing all they can to enflame the world for >war, Ive got a baaaad feeling about all this. you too, huh? Especially when the bandwagon jumpers have instantly said "oh, it's obviously Al Qaeda doing this". Indonesia is thoroughly fragmented and several of the main terrorist factions have said they would hit Indonesia where it will hurt most (i.e., its tourism industry) over the past few years. - --- >So James, I hear what your saying, yet I must admit I love the folk customns >around Holloween, especially the scaryness, kids and the choclate. >Hmmm--what can a non-pagan who respects paganism do to celabrate Holloween >without debasing Samhain? easy. (a), down here, it's Beltane, not Samhain at this time of year. (b) at least some parts of what is done as Hallowe'en are still very close to traditional Samhain celebrations anyway. And many of the reasons that Greg gave for why it shouldn't be offensive are exactly the reasons it is. A bit like Christmas. If someone thinks that the reason we celebrate Christmas is to give everyone presents and cards, then I find that offensive too. It's far better if a child knows that we have big parties at Christmas "to celebrate Jesus being born, and also because it was near the shortest day of the year and it meant that spring would be coming again". Similarly, I don't mind kids dressing as ghosts as long as they have some faint idea of why - even if it's something very boiled down and simplistic. "people used to think that ghosts came back to haunt people at this time of the year, but that the ghosts would go away if people them food, or if they did something to scare them away". It might just teach kids something, too. At least, thanks to Sabrina, Buffy, et al, it's starting to get through to people that witches are not normally old hags, and rarely if ever wear pointy black hats! James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:07:47 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: More cracking toast! On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Eugene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > Brand new Wallace & Gromit episodes: > > Rumor is Aardman made these as practice for an upcoming feature-length > Wallace & Gromit film. Rumour is correct. There was an interview with them on local TV last night (Aardman in based in Bristol), and they said that they were training up additional animators with these short films. - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 07:52:43 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: your male > gSs: > >sorry, i should have been more clear. > > Naw, I was just being disingeneous. that is a violation of list rules. > >it is the only thing non life threatening for which I would act the part > >of a christian. > > And you call religious people hippocrits;-) there can be nothing hypocritical about me having sex with a woman as i'm not homosexual, catholic or deciduous. you know, i think we may actually be deciduous with hair, teeth, cecal appendage, menopause? gSs "It was gravity which pulled us down and destiny which broke us apart. You tamed the lion in my cage but it wasn't enough to change my heart. Now everything's a little upside down, as a matter of fact the wheels have stopped. What's good is bad, what's bad is good and you'll find out when you reach the top you're on the bottom." - bd ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 08:14:42 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: paisley ghosts On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, James Dignan wrote: > traditional Samhain celebrations anyway. human tradition has a poor record. if we keep doing things traditionally guess what happens? this. > At least, thanks to Sabrina, Buffy, et al, it's starting to get through to > people that witches are not normally old hags, and rarely if ever wear > pointy black hats! and so this is something we need to re-enforce over and over in our children so they can be like us? do you believe in magic, or would you like to believe in magic? gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:58:46 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Misappropriated songs > Rex.Broome wrote: >> that could have its intent SO COMPLETELY REVERSED by the use of a >> single line. Any takers on that one? When I was a teacher, I used to play classical music during labs, and once I had on Richard Strauss' "Also Sprach Zarathustra." (AKA the "2001 A Space Odyssey" theme.) My deaf-translator, a born-again Christian, told me that her church's organist loved playing that. I laughed and asked her if she knew what the piece celebrated -- Nietzsche's anti-religious magnum opus -- and she *insisted* I must be wrong, because surely such a "moving" piece of classical music couldn't be about the |bermensch, nor would her sweet organist play it.... - --Quail +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.GreatQuail.com "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:47:24 -0500 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: Misappropriated songs I'm a little surprised no one's mentioned a non-hypothetical example of a U.S. President misappropriating a song -- Reagan's co-opting of Springsteen's "Born In The U.S.A." dolph ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #327 ********************************