From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #326 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, October 15 2002 Volume 11 : Number 326 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: junkmedia interview ["Brian Hoare" ] Re: #319, #320 [Michael R Godwin ] Up for Grabs ["*FS Thomas*" ] unprotected, luv ["ross taylor" ] RE: Abandon all ye dope [] Re: heaven, the only place not inside malls of america [gSs ] Nooz [Eb ] are you an Atheling? [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] One Small Rant ["Michael Wells" ] Re: One Small Rant [Ken Weingold ] Re: Bothering Barrett [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: #319, #320 [Jeff Dwarf ] [none] ["Montauk Daisy" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:56:49 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: Re: junkmedia interview >woj > > I enjoyed that, cheers. Odd the final bit about not leaning heavily on the new songs. I'd have thought most folks here would be more than happy NDL and selected highlights from UM. I may not be overawed by NDL but I enjoy it and there's a lot of it I'd like to see them play. As I remember they played all of UM over the course of the last tour and the obvious extras like Stones/Toilet/Prawns/Jooves so I'm curious at to what "some of the ones we didn't get to last time" may include. I'm sure Matt will let us know what they play this week. Brian _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:05:45 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: #319, #320 > >From: Michael R Godwin > >Erm, I'm afraid that BtB is my least favourite Stones album (recent > >unlistened-to material excluded) On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Eb wrote: > Weird. I'd rank it as my sixth *favorite*, after Aftermath, Beggars, > Let It Bleed, Sticky and Exile. * I don't have any problems with those selections (though I prefer 'Get your ya-yas out' to 'Let it bleed'). But after that I would rank Rolling Stones Number 1, 'Out of our heads', and 'Some girls' way ahead of 'Between the Buttons', and I would also rather hear 'Black & Blue', 'Goat's Head Soup', Rolling Stones No. 2 and 'Satanic Majesties' (which has after all got '2000 light years' on it). It's difficult to discuss this across the Atlantic because all the albums up to (?)Aftermath are different. > Then again, you're the one who shrugs off the Beatles. ;) Oh, I wouldn't shrug them off. But they were playing "I should have known better" on the radio the other day, and I was thinking "You know, Godwin, this isn't too vapid after all", and then on came one of those DEEPLY CRAPPY George Harrison guitar breaks, and the whole number fell apart. After all, the only reason for listening to a record is to hear the guitar solo :) Bugger, there's a wasp in here - in October! - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:55:08 -0400 From: "*FS Thomas*" Subject: Up for Grabs Anyone interested in venturing out in NYC this weekend: I have a ticket to the Billy Bragg show at Irving Plaza on Sunday, the 20th but can no longer go. The ticket was $26, but will sacrifice it for the cost of postage. - -ferris. F S Thomas ferris@ochremedia.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:06:35 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: unprotected, luv >> Just listening to "Unprotected Love", great song. Does this mean that >> Robyn and his wife will be having children soon? heehee. >You know, I don't really see Robyn doing something as cheesy as saying >"love" when he means "sex". I agree, but I think he's playing around w/ it. "like a baby in a football" and "like the salmon high above" -- these are mostly bits of gratuitus surrealism (remember the fish in the "So You Think You're In Love" video?). "like the sun high above" is expected but too common, & salmon adds a nice extra syllable. But most of what people think of salmon for besides cream cheese and onions is bravely swimming upstream to spawn. Even Snoopy talked about that. - --- Drew v. Rex >>>My gosh, is there anything we both like? :) Rex likes more & newer bands than I do, but we have similar tastes, & I also share very few musics w/ Drew. There may be something of an axis forming here. - --- Drew -- >It's a good think there isn't a more formalized "geek scene" for Robyn to have to disavow any >connection to. :) I was always happy but surprised that Robyn didn't get more lumped in with the Paisley Underground in the 80s. I once heard Weasel on WHFS say about "The Devil's Coachman" "that's nouveau psychedelia," but that's all. (I actually like the song so I took umbrage.) Ross Taylor "so meet, you'll never beat the Pot Head Pixies" Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:00:46 -0700 From: Subject: RE: Abandon all ye dope - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of bayard Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 8:25 PM To: gSs Cc: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Re: Abandon all ye dope >a friend of mine likes to type weird things into browsers and he found that >jesuschrist.com was a porn site (as of a couple weeks ago.) ...so is softboys.com... Simone who put thesoftboys.com in her favorites list ;) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:54:29 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: heaven, the only place not inside malls of america On Sat, 12 Oct 2002, James Dignan wrote: > >how are these kids directly defiling or mocking anything with any > >religious affiliation? > >i doubt that is what is running through their minds. > > So it's all right for a person to insult a religion as long as they don't > do it deliberately, it is better in fact if they do it deliberately. what good is a misassociated mocking? but in what way are pre-adolescents dressed as casper or spiderman a mocking for any religion? these are children looking for candy. that is the only association that should be made because as far as the children are concerned, and dressing up as casper or spiderman and walking around the neighborhood in groups which are normally escorted by adults and looking for candy is a children's issue, that is the only issue. > but only because they are following a tradition that > insults a religion, huh? They're defiling the return of the spirits of the > dead at the eve of winter. It is insulting to the dead, as well as to those > who follow those beliefs. well fuck them and the dead. that was direct. anyone who believes that children dressing as cartoon characters or whatever else is an insult to the dead deserves to be insulted. how can you tell when a dead person is offended? did one of these dead people tell you they were insulted or can you just tell by the look on their faces? if the children did this on some other day, would it make any difference? it is the idiots of old and new who follow those even more ancient supersitions and folkloric traditions that have spawned the repressive institutions of religion that now exist. dead things smell, therefore religion should be outlawed. actually there was no direct offense intended. I do not respect anyone's religious belief but that does not mean I can't respect the person for other things. > >but would you be doing that in order to offend a christian by mocking or > >defiling the religion and any of it's affiliations? or are you actually > >mocking or calling into question the validity or another religion[...] > > Neither. I am pointing out that people don't insult Christianity in this > way, so what? why don't we start? any ideas? i'll organize the campaign here. all religions deserve to be mocked equally. the should be amended to the constitution.. > and there is no long standing tradition of insulting Easter as there > is Samhain. that gives us even more reason to mock the belief. the older the religion, the more it deserves to be mocked. > I celebrate Easter with eggs, rabbits, and other symbols of > resurrection to life after the brief death of winter. Christians do exactly > the same, but they claim that it is a Christian festival. it is a christian festival. so mock their cult festivals as they mock your cult festivals. maybe each side will mock the other out of existance. > according to Christian doctrine, but that is cataloged with jewish doctrine, muslim doctrin, catholic doctrine and all the others. what is the actual significance? none. > God is in omnipotent and omnipresent. no, god is a pussy. > God must be capable of being inferior to butt at some times. but mr. god said: "Now that the man has become like one of us..." - mr. god > What gets me though is when preachers accuse people of 'not letting God > into their hearts'. I would have thought that if He is omnipotent, it > would be impossible to stop Him getting in. is that how mr. god is fooling them? > >and that's butt as in.... you know, butt! > > erm... a barrel of water? ass, pussy, trim, fuck, make love, eat at the y, sticky face etc.... just to clear this up. my point was, that i would act like a christian to get a piece of ass. "By the sweat of your brow you will eat food until you return to the ground,for out of it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you will return." - mr. god that confirms it for me, we are star shit. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:45:19 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: MIA artists: some who may return and others... not so much Drew: >>They had Siouxsie in there (Rasputin's Goth section? That's surprising, I don't >>think I've ever seen that. Maybe I was wrong about that. But there were definitely some incongruously major/well-known artists mixed in with the utterly unknown ones. Thanks for the peek into the scene. Jeffrey FF: >>Besides which, when whoever it was heard that Tori Amos track, it had not >>been an entire decade since the preceding Kate Bush album. Therefore, it >>couldn't possibly have been a new Kate Bush song. True, but since Peter Gabriel just released a record, she must have one on the way. And hell, there's new Soft Boys record, too... dare we hope that this heralds a new My Bloody Valentine album? Nah. Don't much care about the "new" Nirvana single. Any other band, the vaults would have been long since empty. The "feud" over the unreleased stuff has been just so much sound 'n' fury, making a bigger deal out of what woulda been a big deal anyway. Whether that was Courtney exploiting the press, Courtney being needlessly combative/nuts, or (most likely) a little of both, it's become a big "whatever" for me. __________________ Finally got ahold of Wire's "Read & Burn 01" EP, and... damn. That'll kick your ass several ways to Sunday. The baby really liked it, too. I told her that someday, when she was over 50, she could make unimaginably lound and pummeling music, too. Ordered "02" right away. The "Silver Jubilee" of the class of '77 is producing some interesting results after all! - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:07:03 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: unprotected, luv Ross wrote: >I was always happy but surprised that Robyn >didn't get more lumped in with the Paisley >Underground in the 80s. I once heard Weasel on >WHFS say about "The Devil's Coachman" "that's >nouveau psychedelia," but that's all. (I >actually like the song so I took umbrage.) Didn't you have to be from California to be part of the Paisley Underground in the 80's? The Rain Parade, Bangles, Green on Red and The Three O'Clock were all California bands I believe. If anything, I remember reading in a Trouser Press review that UM was part of the neo-psychedelic movement from England. Which would lump them in with Echo and the Bunnymen and The Teardrop Explodes. In fact, that's were I first read about the SB's was from a TP record guide. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:46:21 -0500 From: "Sumiko Keay" Subject: Re: one more brief Firefly comment Oh absolutely - - "Our Mrs. Reynolds" was the best Firefly so far. Sumi >>> Christopher Gross 10/13/02 11:23AM >>> On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > Sumiko Keay wrote: > > The first episode (of Firefly) is being repeated on Monday at 8 > > Eastern. > > only if the SF Giants fail to sweep St. Louis this weekend.... They probably shouldn't re-run that first episode anyway. They'd win more viewers with the Oct. 4 episode, which I thought was hilarious. Anyway, out of the three episodes so far, the first was the weakest; new viewers should keep this in mind. - --Chris, who's happy because he finaly found some purple Halloween lights ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:24:36 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: heaven, it's plastic. On Mon, 14 Oct 2002, gSs wrote: > > God is in omnipotent and omnipresent. > > no, god is a pussy. just to extricate any misunderstanding, pussy did not mean vagina in this instance. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:22:59 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Nooz [sorry about all the icky option-characters, but you can decipher them...] >Subject: EPIC RECORDS TO RELEASE THE SOUNDTRACK FOR UNIVERSALmS THE >TRUTH ABOUT CHARLIE ON OCTOBER 22nd > >EPIC RECORDS TO RELEASE THE SOUNDTRACK FOR UNIVERSALmS THE TRUTH >ABOUT CHARLIE ON OCTOBER 22nd > This Impressive Collection of Global Music Features Angelique Kidjo, Charles Aznavour and many more >Los Angeles, CA q Play-Tone/Epic/Sony Music Soundtrax is pleased to >announce the release of the soundtrack for Universal Picturesm lThe >Truth About Charlien on October 22nd. > >Directed by Academy Award winner Jonathan Demme (director of lThe >Silence of the Lambs,n lPhiladelphia,n lBeloved,n lSomething Wildn), >lThe Truth About Charlien is an exhilarating combination of love and >mystery set against the unparalleled and sharp backdrop of modern >Paris. Demmems fresh take on the 1963 Stanley Donen film, lCharade,n >stars Thandie Newton (Mission: Impossible II), Mark Wahlberg (The >Perfect Storm) and Tim Robbins (The Shawshank Redemption), all of >whom lead an impressive international cast in this romantic thriller >where in life, as in love, nothing is ever as simple as it seems. > >Jonathan Demmems musical taste has always been a hallmark of his >films and it roams freer than ever in lThe Truth About Charlie.n The >selection and arrangement of music from Angelique Kidjo to Charles >Aznavour creates the perfect backdrop for this 21st-century story of >romance and suspense. Featuring an eclectic mix of music from >throughout the world, each song defines moments integral to the >storyline, highlights Parism edgy, hip character and provides a >wonderfully appealing fabric for this unforgettable tale. Demme >says, lParis is the acknowledged epicenter of global music and >working here gave us the chance to have an especially rich, diverse >soundtrack. The artists in the Francophone world, singers and >musicians from French Africa, the French Middle East and the French >Caribbean, all come to Paris to record their music. Itms an >intrinsic part of the cityms character today.n > >"The Truth About Charlie" will be in theaters on October 25th. The >soundtrack will be available Tuesday, October 22nd. > >lThe Truth About Charlien - Music From The Motion Picture - Tracklisting: > >"Jim the Jinn" Da Phazz >"Garab" Rachid Taha >"La Voix Du Vaurien" Miro >"Les Enfants Perdus" Angelique Kidjo >lMr. Kennedyn The Soft Boys >"Army Of Forgotten Souls" Transglobal Underground >"Ragda" Khaled >"It's a Wonderful Life" Sparklehorse >"Epoca" The Gotan Project >lMentiran Manu Chao >lFortress Europen Asian Dub Foundation >lDe Cara a La Paredn Llasa >"Slow Down" The Feelies >"Sous Le Soliel" Anna Karina >lHay Nattyn Backward Dog >lBigga Mann Ted Demme >lTruthful Moodsn Rachel Portman >"Quand Tu Ma Aimes" Charles Aznevour > >THE TRUTH ABOUT CHARLIE q SOUNDTRACK ARTIST BIOS > >5) THE SOFT BOYS ("Mr. Kennedy"), United Kingdom > >The Soft Boys q neither crowd-pleasers nor criticsm darlings q never played >to a crowd of more than three hundred during their six-year existence (1976 >-1981)V but long after theymd broken up, their records (especially their >last album Underwater Moonlight, 1980) were inspiring artist such as REM, >The Replacements, and Yo La Tango. Additionally, lead singer Robyn >Hitchcockms solo career q comprising more than twenty albums to date and >featured in Jonathan Demmems 1998 performance movie Storefront Hitchcock q >has kept his fans searching out the work of his earlier group. > >Hitchcock founded the Soft Boys one night in Cambridge by renaming his band >Dennis and the Experts mid-show. "It's a very silly name," he says. "I >regretted it as soon as I made it up." The Experts up to that point were >Andy Metcalfe (bass), Morris Windsor (drums), and Alan "Wangbo Trotter" >Davies (guitar). After the release of the EP Give It to the Soft Boys, >Davies was replaced by Kimberley Rew of the Waves. > >Underwater Moonlight was re-released in 2001 and has sparked a reformation >of the band, and a 2002 United States tour. > >Copyright 2002, Sony Music Entertainment Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:16:19 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: are you an Atheling? Andrew sez: >> Choosing to vehemently believe in and preach the non-existence of God >> is >> also choosing an aspect. > >Wasn't it here that we discussed whether atheism amounted to a religion? >I never really bought that line myself. you misunderstand me. I don't regard atheism as a religion either. But to try to convince others that there is no god, or to announce to all and sundry that you don't believe god exists in order to provoke religious debate, is to behave in a way that suggests that atheism is a belief (even if only a belief in a lack of belief). It's a fine distinction, sure, but it is a real one. or to put it another way "what Jeff Dwarf said"! James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:22:22 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: One Small Rant Perhaps a touch contrary to opinions I may have previously expressed in this forum, I really don't have THAT much of an issue with popular songs being used in commercials. Well, generally I don't, unless John Lennon songs are being used to flog tennis shoes. For the most part I think its rather innocuous, like when Nissan copped Montrose's "Space Station #5". But last night I caught the latest Wrangler (or Levis?) ad, and I have REALLY big problem with that one. The song is CCR's "Fortunate Son," and the video shows young twentysomethings leaping around and while the classic guitar riff bangs in. JF's voice enters and delivers the opening line 'some folks are born, made to wave the flag' - and then is clipped off, as the riff magically reappears. Frolicking by attractive jean models continues in front of an American flag waving briskly in the background. The song is suddenly now a GOOD thing. Holy Christ. Content perceived as threatening disappears. Disneyfication of the world continues. Aaarrrghh. Personally I'm waiting for Estee Lauder to go with Ted Nugent's "Liplock" - but not holding my breath. Michael "and now back to your regular programming...aarrrrrgghh" Wells np. Nextdoorland (if anyone else is working out I Love Lucy on geetar, let's talk) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 23:35:42 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: One Small Rant On Mon, Oct 14, 2002, Michael Wells wrote: > Personally I'm waiting for Estee Lauder to go with Ted Nugent's "Liplock" - > but not holding my breath. Or maybe Trojan with "Wang Dang Sweet Poontang"? - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 23:37:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Bothering Barrett On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Michael R Godwin wrote: > > Trying" too. And there are two albums of covers consisting almost entirely > > of Syd solo songs: _Beyond the Wildwood_ and the soundtrack to the indie > > film _Fuck Your Dreams, This Is Heaven_. > > I've got "Wildwood" and I love the Mock Turtles version of "No good > trying", but I would be very interested in details of these other covers. Here's the track listing for FYDTIH from allmusic.com: 1. Still I'm Sad performed by Minimal Compact - 3:10 2. Flaming performed by Niki Mono / Nikolas Klau - 6:14 3. No Man's Land performed by Peter Principle - 2:24 4. Marathon performed by Niki Mono / Minimal Conpact - 7:38 5. Late Night performed by Minimal Conpact - 3:18 6. Venus in Furs performed by Nikolas Klau / Steven Brown / Peter Principle - 6:22 7. Dancing Barefoot performed by Niki Mono / Berry Sakharof - 4:30 8. Coming Back to Me performed by Steven Brown - 4:05 9. Ocean performed by Bruce Geduldig / Peter Principle - 6:56 10. Late Night [#/*] performed by Winston Tong - 3:18 Not all Barrett tunes, of course...but a number of 'em. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me? __Captain Beefheart__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 01:58:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: #319, #320 Michael R Godwin wrote: > It's difficult to discuss this across the Atlantic because all the > albums up to (?)Aftermath are different. Between the Buttons actually. US version has "Let's Spend the Night Together" and "Ruby Tuesday" added, with "Backstreet Girl" and "Please Go Home" deleted, and "My Obsession" moved to side 2. ===== "If we don't allow journalists, politicians, and every two-bit Joe Schmo with a cause to grandstand by using 9-11 as a lame rhetorical device, then the terrorists have already won." -- "Shredder" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:32:11 +0000 From: "Montauk Daisy" Subject: [none] Before the ususal high geek trivia--condolances to Kiwis, Ausssies, Brits and Krauts(is there a less negative short nickname?) I cant believe anyone could bomb clubs full of innocent kids just starting out in life. If I were their parents I'd be insane with rage. With extremists on both sides doing all they can to enflame the world for war, Ive got a baaaad feeling about all this. - ----------------------- Drew: >It's a good think there isn't a >more formalized "geek scene" for Robyn to have to disavow any >connection to. :) But being high geek is an honor. You mean it isn't:-( ;-) Somebody then Drew: >>In "Tangled Up In Blue", he ad-libs, "She was working in a topless >>place/And I stopped in for a top/I said I missing half of my >>face/She >>said youcame to the wrong shop." >How funny -- that was my favorite lyric from Robyn's version, and I hadn't >realized it wasn't Dylan's. It could almost be Dylan, couldnt it? Yet theres an extra twist. Love it. - --------------- gSs: >sorry, i should have been more clear. Naw, I was just being disingeneous. >it is the only thing non life threatening for which I would act the >part >of a christian. And you call religious people hippocrits;-) - -------------- James: >ah, but if there is one (you choose) then he/she/it has infinite >aspects. Right, and if theres all that omnistuff, you can choose one that values free choice. Including the right to choose other gods, no god or gonads. So James, I hear what your saying, yet I must admit I love the folk customns around Holloween, especially the scaryness, kids and the choclate. Hmmm--what can a non-pagan who respects paganism do to celabrate Holloween without debasing Samhain? - ------------------ JFFFF, your comments on redemption tie in with my dream. Thanks. - ------------------ From the Junkmedia interviw: >Actually, I think this tour you will actually see Kimberley and I >wearing >glasses on stage, just so we can get a proper look at the >fret board. Sigh. Glasses AND guitars. Im in heaven;-) See- High Geek does too ruel. >I think what I'll probably do is start putting out my back >catalogthe stuff that was put out on Rhino a few years back is all >out of print nowand maybe I'll put out a new album, I don't know. Good news. - --------------------- Ross: I agree, but I think he's playing around w/ it. "like a baby in a football" and "like the salmon high above" -- these are mostly bits of gratuitus surrealism. I dont think its gratiutious or surrealism. I love the "baby in a football" bit for several reasons. Think how you cradle a baby or a football. A baby wants to be in the arms of love, not in a football in the arms of love. Plus theres the Keats line Im always punting "Dont kick my heart around like a football." The baby/heart/vunrability dosnt want a game, it wants love. And as for the salmon high above --the salmon's native element is water, but for spawning it jumps out of where its comfortable into a higher element. So it works well for me. Its "fish within a glove" that I like the least, since its the most unlayered condem ref. But hey--not much rhymes with love. Ross--have I actually disagreed with you? Kay "I think it's nice when old things can still move around." Robyn Hitchcock _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #326 ********************************