From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #324 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, October 12 2002 Volume 11 : Number 324 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Dolphin Flag ["Sumiko Keay" ] RE: Little Black Egg ["Timothy Reed" ] RE: Little Black Egg ["Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" ] Little Black Egg ["Rex.Broome" ] "no one ever listens to me...i might as well be a leonard cohen record" [] Re: Nextdoorland eventually [Aaron Mandel ] Re: Nextdoorland eventually ["Mike Wells" ] Re: Little Black Quail Angel Egg ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Adore into NextDoorLand ["Montauk Daisy" ] Bush (still not W.), smelly markers (0% butt content) ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: heaven, the only place not inside malls of america [grutness@surf4nix] Re: Saltire ire [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: lbe ["Brian Hoare" ] Perspective on new Nirvana single [Tom Clark ] Re: Perspective on new Nirvana single [Mike Swedene ] Re: Perspective on new Nirvana single [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Dolphin Flag [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: end up a wreck [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: radiohead moment [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: heaven, the only place not inside malls of america [Jeffrey with 2 Fs] Short Robyn Sings Review ["Michael Wells" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:40:01 -0500 From: "Sumiko Keay" Subject: Re: Dolphin Flag The first episode is being repeated on Monday at 8 Eastern. Sumi >>> Christopher Gross 10/11/02 11:32AM >>> Kay wrote: > What is "Firefly" about and when is it on? Short answer is, it's a Western in space. Pretty entertaining, if you aren't a stickler for astronomical accuracy. It's on Fox at 8 pm Fridays, except not tonight. More info at www.fox.com/firefly . - --Chris, sticking to short answers because I should have been on the road an hour ago.... ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:43:18 -0400 From: "Timothy Reed" Subject: RE: Little Black Egg A version of Little Black Egg by ex-Lemonhead Evan Dando is floating around Kazaa and can be had on a fanclub disk that is for sale on his current tour. If you like ED's current acoustic incarnation you'll like his version. Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Brian Hoare > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 8:08 AM > To: fegmaniax@smoe.org > Subject: Little Black Egg > > > A week ago Rex wrote: > >Favorites throughout that time have included "The Little > Black Egg" by > >the > >Nightcrawlers. > > This is a song that I've been wanting to hear for years. The > only version I > know is by Nik Turner's Inner City Unit and I don't know how close to > original that is, it's quite odd. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:55:29 -0700 From: "Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" Subject: RE: Little Black Egg The Minus 5 have a really great version on their album In Rock, which was only sold at shows. The cars had a really awful version on some greatest hits package. - -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Reed [mailto:treed@cpr.com] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 11:43 AM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: RE: Little Black Egg A version of Little Black Egg by ex-Lemonhead Evan Dando is floating around Kazaa and can be had on a fanclub disk that is for sale on his current tour. If you like ED's current acoustic incarnation you'll like his version. Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Brian Hoare > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 8:08 AM > To: fegmaniax@smoe.org > Subject: Little Black Egg > > > A week ago Rex wrote: > >Favorites throughout that time have included "The Little > Black Egg" by > >the > >Nightcrawlers. > > This is a song that I've been wanting to hear for years. The > only version I > know is by Nik Turner's Inner City Unit and I don't know how close to > original that is, it's quite odd. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 18:57:20 +0000 From: "Montauk Daisy" Subject: The Butt of the Matter Greg -- you took me almost seriously. Im honored. Greg: >and that's butt as in.... you know, butt! Right --the butt of a joint. Or a joke. Or two hogsheds worth of wine. Or a rifle or pork or a target or a head butt or (damn this is a boring slow rainy Friday afternoon) or ... >>We all choose our own gods. >do we? if there was actually a god involved we wouldn't have >a choice. Thats the god you don't believe in, not the God I do. Awk --you don't want me to go all preachy and pulpity on you, now do you. Cause I sure dont want to:-) I mentioned my dream to make the point that even without any hope of heaven or dread of hell(my fate was already unpleasently sealed)I choose to take certain actions. I also have always enjoyed the irony that I would't let God determine my fate, which of course may mean Im not a Christian at all, or that I really am a Christian or that ... well, you get the butt of the matter. Satisfied;-p Kay "I think it's nice when old things can still move around." Robyn Hitchcock _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:04:15 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Little Black Egg "The Little Black Egg" by the Nightcrawlers: It's pretty easy to find, being on a lot of compilations. I'd recommend just going ahead and shelling out for Rhino's first Nuggets box set (an essential item for any household); otherwise, if you get too deeply into the competing and insane world of '60's garage/psych compilations you end up going crazy. I have a whole allegedy complete Nightcrawlers collection which, honestly, has a few other gems but is mostly filler. There are a lot of covers of LBE. The Cars' version is, I think, on their box set; there's one by either the Lemonheads or Dando; and then the Tarnation version, at the intersection of Goth Avenue and Country Road. The only thing wrong with that one is that she refuses to sing the words "gol-durn", which is one of my favorite parts of the original. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:15:08 -0700 From: drew Subject: "no one ever listens to me...i might as well be a leonard cohen record" >From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) >I also think that whoever said that Leonard Cohen's music was sad >hasn't listened to much of it, either. Incredibly dark sense of humour, >yes. Sad, no. It was me and that's true, I've only heard a compilation album and _The Future_ (both of which I really like but rarely listen to). A lot of it seems awfully melancholy to me but that might just be my preconceptions coloring my perceptions. Like Morrissey, Cohen is often thought to be miserable by those who don't listen to him. The Cure really are miserable and sad, however, with pretty rare exceptions. I don't consider that a criticism. >From: "Rex.Broome" > >"Goth" is confusing as a genre or fashion movement or social construct or >whatever it is. Seems to be mostly a fashion thing, although there are >certainly musical connections and required listening. That's pretty much exactly right from my point of view. Fashion and music are the keys to it all. It's only ideological in the vaguest sense. >Hard to think of more >than a handful of self-described "Goth bands", although there seem to be >some on tiny labels who circulate their albums exclusively in the "Goth >community" and will be taken seriously by exactly nobody else. That too is pretty much exactly right. Note that with few exceptions, the more mainstream / well-known "Goth bands" do not describe themselves that way. Siouxsie and the Banshees insisted that they were not "goth"; I think Robert Smith said the same. Peter Murphy likes to distance himself from the term (with some justification). Perhaps some of the newer blood, the rap-metal crowd, are more receptive to the term but I doubt it. I guess these artists are right to find the term limiting, but it's hard for them to say so without sounding like they bite the necks that feed them. It's a good think there isn't a more formalized "geek scene" for Robyn to have to disavow any connection to. :) The artists on Cleopatra and Projekt and Tess are more likely to either consider themselves part of the scene or to be properly grateful to the goths that form their fan base. Many of them suck horribly but some of them are quite pleasant. Most of them seem inspired heavily by Dead Can Dance and the Cocteau Twins the way goth bands used to be inspired by Bauhaus and Christian Death. Joy Division remains relevant as always. Almost all of them are pretty much unlistenable if you are not very receptive to the genre, but the ones I've enjoyed were Faith and the Muse, Black Tape for a Blue Girl, Trance to the Sun, and Switchblade Symphony (who have some great sounds but absolutely hilarious lyrics). And of course there's the goth/industrial connection, supplemented nowadays by a bunch of goth dance bands that sound like Nitzer Ebb, Depeche Mode, or Front 242. The two I hear about most often are Apoptygma Berserk, who are pretty dull, and VNV Nation, who are even duller but revered for some reason. >Last time I >was in Berkeley I noticed that one of the big record stores-- Rasputin, I >think-- had an actual "Goth/Industrial" section and the stuff they had in >there was very puzzling. Siouxsie, Gene Love Gezebel, Skinny Puppy, Alien >Sex Fiend and countless microlabel bands called Dark Skin or Exquisite >Corpse or whatever, some of which looked borderline "black metal". Weird. They had Siouxsie in there? That's surprising, I don't think I've ever seen that. The rest of it seems reasonable to me. I actually prefer Rasputin to Amoeba because I think their prices are better and their selection is more complete; that goth section is a good example. Drewcifer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:22:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Nextdoorland eventually On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, barbara soutar wrote: > Just listening to "Unprotected Love", great song. Does this mean that > Robyn and his wife will be having children soon? heehee. You know, I don't really see Robyn doing something as cheesy as saying "love" when he means "sex". I think the whole point of the song is to use the idea of unprotected sex -- which is, like, concrete and well-understood, even if it's scary or taboo -- as the metaphorical ground for talking about letting your emotional barriers down. "Japanese Captain", though, that's dirrty. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:29:35 -0500 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: Nextdoorland eventually Aaron: > "Japanese Captain", though, that's dirrty. Damn! And I thought it was about food. Michael "back to the allegorical drawing board" Wells np. Black Sabbath 'Past Lives' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:29:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Little Black Quail Angel Egg > From: The Great Quail > > Oh my God! Backhand allusions to both Hawkwind *and* Gong. It's my lucky > day! I've had PHPs following me all day, too. Where's the Octave Doctor when you need 'em? Here's one of those connect-the-bands thingees you folks like: Robyn --> Steve Hillage (recorded "Groovy Decay," right?) --> Gong --> Daevid Allen BTW, The Cars covered "Little Black Egg" -- it's available on that purple metal-flake double-CD compilation Rhino did for them a few years ago. And I *think* The Music Machine covered it, too. Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:33:57 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Little Black Quail Angel Egg Eugene Hopstetter, Jr. appears to have written: > > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith.yahoo.com I'm pretty sure she hasn't covered it. Stewart Happy Thanksgiving on Monday, folks! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:49:47 +0000 From: "Bradley Wood" Subject: Re: Little Black Egg/Soft Boys Live Minus 5 do a nice version of Little Black Egg on their "In Rock" album. Soft Boys will be on KEXP in Seattle at noon October 31. It is broadcast over the net at kexp.org and is likely to be on their archives afterwards. Bradley _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:50:44 +0000 From: "Montauk Daisy" Subject: Adore into NextDoorLand Sorry all, did I mention its a -really- slow, rainy, icky how-soon-is-it-5-oclock Friday afternoon. Aaron: >"Japanese Captain", though, that's dirrty. Actually, its been rinsed. I love that "ring me baby" line. That is gooood. And right-- Id say "Unprotected Love" is about opening up to the sentiment described in ... La Cherite? Kay _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:54:11 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Bush (still not W.), smelly markers (0% butt content) Drew on Kate Bush: >>Crazy. Kate's albums are all so different I feel sure that one of them >>would work for you. Honestly, I do like her in general; I've just found that my favorite songs by her tend to be on albums which have a moment or two that I can't get past (story-songs with dialogue and sound effects, etc.). I have a few of her LP's but would probably be better served by a compilation. ...and on Radiohead: >>My gosh, is there anything we both like? :) Maybe not, but vive la difference, eh? You don't seem to like anything that I dislike intensely, at least... Radiohead and Tori Amos are in my "overrated" column-- not even the "vastly overrated" column, and far from the one marked "abominable". __________ I myself hear a "Wire moment" at the beginning of "I Love Lucy"... specifically it reminds me of a spritelier "I Am the Fly". _________________ James, I really enjoyed the specs on the required chrominance values of the various flags (or however that might best be stated). I like the fact that stuff like that is still rattling about in the world. Arcane knowledge is pretty much the best kind we have left. ________________ Anyone ever have "Mr. Sketch" magic markers? The ones that smell like various flavors associated with the colors of their inks? Well, I've just found out that they not only retain their odor for at least thirteen years, but are also more likely to still apply ink to paper after such time than professional design markers of the same vintage. - -Rex, currently engaged in counterfeiting nautical etchings n.p. Steve Earle, "Jerusalem" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:58:36 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: The Butt of the Matter On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Montauk Daisy wrote: > Right --the butt of a joint. Or a joke. Or two hogsheds worth of wine. Or a > rifle or pork or a target or a head butt or (damn this is a boring slow > rainy Friday afternoon) or ... sorry, i should have been more clear. actually, it was the butt of a girl. it is the only thing non life threatening for which I would act the part of a christian. well, and of course for money or a good laugh. it is something most eveyone enjoys equally. sex is the equalizer between "god" and man. we can feel it, taste it, undertstand it and even reject it. it won't fool us with lies and misconseptions. sex is pure, simple and understood by almost everyone. there is not a single thing more enjoyable for most people, unlike religion. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 10:32:01 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: heaven, the only place not inside malls of america >> does that include being offended by kids trick or treating at All Hallows >> Eve? > >how are these kids directly defiling or mocking anything with any >religious affiliation? i doubt that is what is running through their >minds. that did not even enter my mind when I was doing it [...] So it's all right for a person to insult a religion as long as they don't do it deliberately, but only because they are following a tradition that insults a religion, huh? They're defiling the return of the spirits of the dead at the eve of winter. It is insulting to the dead, as well as to those who follow those beliefs. >> I don't go around door-knocking dressed as a funky crucifix at >> Eastertime (then again, that might be fun) > >but would you be doing that in order to offend a christian by mocking or >defiling the religion and any of it's affiliations? or are you actually >mocking or calling into question the validity or another religion[...] Neither. I am pointing out that people don't insult Christianity in this way, and there is no long standing tradition of insulting Easter as there is Samhain. I celebrate Easter with eggs, rabbits, and other symbols of resurrection to life after the brief death of winter. Christians do exactly the same, but they claim that it is a Christian festival. >that would be about the only time I could justify acting the part. unless >of course there is butt involved and then I'll act whatever part is >required. but that goes without saying. butt is one thing, god is at most >one thing completely inferior to butt. so does that make butt, god? according to Christian doctrine, God is in omnipotent and omnipresent. So God must be capable of being inferior to butt at some times. What gets me though is when preachers accuse people of 'not letting God into their hearts'. I would have thought that if He is omnipotent, it would be impossible to stop Him getting in. >and that's butt as in.... you know, butt! erm... a barrel of water? >> We all choose our own gods. > >do we? if there was actually a god involved we wouldn't have a choice. ah, but if there is one (you choose) then he/she/it has infinite aspects. You choose which aspect, which name: Buddha, Allah, Quetzalcoatl, Jesus, the Devil, Kali, Nature, or even yourself (you too are an aspect of God). Choosing to vehemently believe in and preach the non-existence of God is also choosing an aspect. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 10:32:13 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Saltire ire >> I'm surprised the Lord Lyon says that it's entirely up >> to Scottish legislation, though - the St. Andrew's Cross is a component >> part of the Union Flag, and as such surely should have the same blue as >> that > >why not? It's primarily Scotland's flag. It was in use long before the >union. that is true, and it *should* be Scotland's choice. I was simply expressing surprise, not saying what I thought the best situation should be. I would have expected that, since it's part of the UJ, Westminster would have final say. Technically, if Scotland said "It'll be sky blue", there would be good case for the Union Flag also to change its background to sky blue. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 22:02:19 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: Re: lbe >From: Stewart Russell >I've tried in vain to find an MP3 on public sites. As indeed have I. I was hoping someone might point me to one, I just seem to find tab/chords and dead mp3 links. > > Strangely this program is not available from the website. > >spectrum games don't work very well as MP3s. They could've run it under >Hob and presented it as a web page. Well that's the kind of thing I would have expected. The old binary must be interpretable by something and it shouldn't have been too hard to get that available. But it's no real loss. Brian _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:09:37 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Perspective on new Nirvana single Gina Arnold continues her great writing: http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/10.10.02/allshookdown-0241.html - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 20:36:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: Perspective on new Nirvana single Want to know what it sounds like? aside from the way the article described it? http://home.quicknet.nl/qn/prive/dlaan/Nirvana_You_Know_Youre_Right_Studio_Version.mp3 This song is interesting since courtney hole had no clue to the existence of this song. A fan had it from Dave and Kris, and when they were looking to put out the box set the fan turned in a copy of it and that is when the stuff got interesting. Oh well... off to sleep I go... Herbie np -> "Last of the famous intl playboys" Morrissey - --- Tom Clark wrote: > Gina Arnold continues her great writing: > http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/10.10.02/allshookdown-0241.html > > -tc ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:14:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Perspective on new Nirvana single Mike Swedene wrote: > Want to know what it sounds like? aside from the way > the article described it? > > http://home.quicknet.nl/qn/prive/dlaan/Nirvana_You_Know_Youre_Right_Studio_Version.mp3 > > This song is interesting since courtney hole had no > clue to the existence of this song. A fan had it from > Dave and Kris, and when they were looking to put out > the box set the fan turned in a copy of it and that is > when the stuff got interesting. She knew about the song -- in fact, Hole did it on their MTV Unplugged, though with many of the lyrics toned down, since it seems pretty clear (to me at least, and I doubt I'm alone) the song is about Courtney, and it's not a flattering portrait. > Tom Clark wrote: > > Gina Arnold continues her great writing: > > > http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/10.10.02/allshookdown-0241.html One _HUGE_ problem with that article though. She says at the end that we'll never watch the bands members grow old, become embarassing, play Konocti Harbor, star in a sitcom, blah blah blah, but that isn't true. We'll never see Kurt grow old, obviously, but last I heard both Novoselic and Grohl are alive. Even releasing albums this fall, in fact. ===== "If we don't allow journalists, politicians, and every two-bit Joe Schmo with a cause to grandstand by using 9-11 as a lame rhetorical device, then the terrorists have already won." -- "Shredder" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:35:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Dolphin Flag Sumiko Keay wrote: > The first episode (of Firefly) is being repeated on Monday at 8 > Eastern. only if the SF Giants fail to sweep St. Louis this weekend.... ===== "If we don't allow journalists, politicians, and every two-bit Joe Schmo with a cause to grandstand by using 9-11 as a lame rhetorical device, then the terrorists have already won." -- "Shredder" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 23:41:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: end up a wreck On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, drew wrote: > > From: "Rex.Broome" > > > > [Tori sounding like Kate] Besides which, when whoever it was heard that Tori Amos track, it had not been an entire decade since the preceding Kate Bush album. Therefore, it couldn't possibly have been a new Kate Bush song. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::[clever or pithy quote]:: __[source of quote]__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:42:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: radiohead moment Stewart Russell wrote: > at the start of "My Mind Is Connected ..." -- anyone else? Absolutely. payback for "fake plastic trees," which I've always thought sounds like it should a Robyn song, especially the words (though the arrangement would be different). ===== "If we don't allow journalists, politicians, and every two-bit Joe Schmo with a cause to grandstand by using 9-11 as a lame rhetorical device, then the terrorists have already won." -- "Shredder" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 00:05:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: heaven, the only place not inside malls of america On Sat, 12 Oct 2002, James Dignan wrote: > according to Christian doctrine, God is in omnipotent and omnipresent. So > God must be capable of being inferior to butt at some times. What gets me > though is when preachers accuse people of 'not letting God into their > hearts'. I would have thought that if He is omnipotent, it would be > impossible to stop Him getting in. Uh-wull-uh, but if the idea is that God enters only if *you* want him to, then yeah, it's possible to not let even an omnipotent God into your heart. Sorta like that supposedly "unforgivable" sin, which if I recall amounted to denying the Holy Spirit. It's not as if that act is so utterly terrible in and of itself - but that, in Christian doctrine as I understand it, the Holy Spirit is the *means* to redemption, denying it ipso facto denies you redemption. But any actual Christians here probably can address this better than I can. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::glibby glop gloopy nibby nobby noopy la la la la lo:: np: Statuesque _Arbiters Anonymous_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 16:02:52 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Short Robyn Sings Review Appearing in the Sept/Oct issue of "No Depression" magazine... Michael "two bangs and a religion" Wells ============ Over the last 40 years, Bob Dylan has been lauded and lionized, while his songs have covered, copied, and caricatured. Some artists have devoted enitre albums to his songs, such as the recently reissued (and expanded) 'The Byrds Play Dylan'. Robyn Hitchcock and Mary Lee Corvette have taken the theme a step further, choosing to honor the man by paying tribute to specific Dylan records. Hitchcock's self-released 'Robyn Sings' might also be called 'Royal Albert Hall Approximately', as it's his variation of Dylan's infamous 1966 Royal Albert Hall concert. Like Dylan's 1999 CD of that show, Hitchcock offers both an acoustic and electric disc. The electric side, recorded in 1996 and released at the time on a Warner Bros. promo, precisely re-creates Dylan's set list. The less reverent, more recently recorded acoustic set subs in three post-'66 tunes ("Dignity", "Tangled Up In Blue" and "Not Dark Yet"), plus two takes of "Visions of Johanna" (one solo, one with a band). That an adolescent Hitchcock fell under the spell of mid-'60's Dylan is easy to hear in his own work, which is similarly populated with baroque wordplay. "Visions of Johanna", Hitchcock's self-described "favorite song," contains the line: "When the jelly-faced women all sneeze/Hear the one with the mustache say 'Jeeze/I can't find my knees," which would fit perfectly in one of Robyn's own tunes. The respectful, if sometimes ragged-voiced Hitchcock doesn't mess around too much with Dylan's material, but he still can't suppress his own mercurial wit. In "Tangled Up In Blue", he ad-libs, "She was working in a topless place/And I stopped in for a top/I said I missing half of my face/She said you came to the wrong shop." "Tangled Up In Blue" also leads off Mary Lee Corvette's track-by-track live recording of Dylan's 1975 classic 'Blood on the Tracks'. Front-woman Mary Lee Kortes reveals some nervousness on her rendition but gets more comfortable by the second song ("Simple Twist of Fate"), and she (and her album) takes of from there. While Mary Lee's Corvette don't really do anything really radical with the arrangements, what elevates their renditions from basic bar-band versions are the musicians' knowing but relaxed performances and Kortes' passionate, slightly sultry vocals. She imbues "Idiot Wind" with a fierceness that's less sarcastic than Dylan's, but no less powerful. Her gentle, lovely versions of "Bucket of Rain" and "If You See Her, Say Hello" project an earthy soulfulness. Kortes' strength here is tapping into the album's dark romanticism, which fits her own style extremely well. Mary Lee's Corvette gets the slight edge here. While Hitchcock delivers everything you would expect from him (displaying much Dylan love as well as a sense of fun), Kortes, at her best, brings a fresh perspective to these well-known tunes. Neither disc, however, does anything particularily revelatory with the material. Listen to 'The Byrds Play Dylan', and you'll hear a band innovatively placing Dylan's songs into folk-rock and country-rock settings. Hitchcock and Kortes haven't attempted to do anything so grand; their discs are simply labor-of-love offerings from devoted pupils playing the master's songs. - - Michael Berick ============ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #324 ********************************