From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #322 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, October 10 2002 Volume 11 : Number 322 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Ghouls/Beck/Macs/Art at Sea ["Jonathan Fetter" ] Re: #319, #320 ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: #319, #320 [Stewart Russell ] those with turntables and burners ["David Willems" ] Bush (not W), Tori, etc. ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Rockin', the diaspora. [gSs ] Re: Rockin' The Ka'bah [gSs ] Re: #319, #320 [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] goth / not goth [drew ] Re: goth / not goth [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Buffirefly [Miles Goosens ] Re: Feg pelf [Miles Goosens ] Re: goth / not goth [Christopher Gross ] Re: #319, #320 ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: Buffirefly [Christopher Gross ] Re: Rockin' The Ka'bah [Jeff Dwarf ] Pretty Ballerina [Eb ] Re: or not to be Rhett Miller ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: Rockin' The Ka'bah [steve ] RE: #319, #320 ["Roberta Cowan" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:39:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: Re: Ghouls/Beck/Macs/Art at Sea > Kay on Ghouls (her new PBS series): > >>I've always thought of ghouls as semi-corporeal, sorta intermediate(and > >>intermitent) beings. > > That actually sounds right to me. > > >>they're always hungry. They want real bodies, but they can never attain > >>one, they can never have real substance. > > Everyone seems to agree that they're hungry. Do you also agree that they > are distinct from ghosts, inasmuch as they were never alive as mortals per > se? I believe that if they achieved substance they might become fiends, who > are corporeal but soulless and also hunger for grisly stuff. Like vampires > without the benefit of ever having lived a human life. > > Kay on Ghouls (her new PBS series): > >>I've always thought of ghouls as semi-corporeal, sorta intermediate(and > >>intermitent) beings. > > That actually sounds right to me. > > >>they're always hungry. They want real bodies, but they can never attain > >>one, they can never have real substance. > > Everyone seems to agree that they're hungry. Do you also agree that they > are distinct from ghosts, inasmuch as they were never alive as mortals per > se? I believe that if they achieved substance they might become fiends, who > are corporeal but soulless and also hunger for grisly stuff. Like vampires > without the benefit of ever having lived a human life. > Check out Brian McNaughton's "Throne of Bones" for an interesting depiction of ghouls (sorta like a guidebook to ghoulhood in story form). The characters in the stories aren't exactly sure where ghouls come from, but in most cases ghouls were people with dark interests-- hanging out in graveyards and tombs, pushing the barriers of acceptable taste, necromancy, obsessed with death, etc.--who eventually passed a point of no return. Once a ghoul, they became imbued with great strength and Grendelish constitutions but at the same time become animal-like in intelligence and self-awareness. But very definitely corporeal. I think this depiction is similar to Lovecraft's in stories like "The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath." Jon "There, on a tombstone of 1768 stolen from the Granary Burying Ground in Boston, sat a ghoul which was once the artist Richard Upton Pickman. It was naked and rubbery, and had acquired so much of the ghoulish physiognomy that its human origin was already obscure. But it still remembered a little English, and was able to converse with Carter in grunts and monosyllables, helped out now and then by the glibbering of ghouls." "For a ghoul is a ghoul, and at best an unpleasant companion for man." --HPL, "The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 08:29:02 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: #319, #320 At 11:36 PM 10/9/2002 -0400, rosso@videotron.ca wrote: >Mostly CD-R, because those do-it-yourself labels cost almost as much >as the discs themselves. Never, ever stick a a CD-R with a label on it into one of those iMac slot drives. It starts making the nastiest grinding sound, and the CD-R magically becomes unplayable after that. Saw Bright Eyes for about the fourth time last night. The size of the touring band has increased to something like 13 people (there was about 5 the last time I saw them), including violin, cello, trumpet, flute, bassoon and three drummers. Lovely. I've never watched Buffy, although I did see the original movie in the theater. I watched Angel once, though. "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:38:46 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: #319, #320 Jason R. Thornton wrote: > > Never, ever stick a CD-R with a label on it into one of those iMac > slot drives. same goes for those business-card CDs. Results are loud, and amusingly expensive if it's not your machine. Never, ever stick a CD-R with a label on it into ANY drive if: a) that label happens to be a PostIt note (had to dig one of those out of a PHB's drive once) b) the label is off-centre, but firmly taped down, and you have a 32x or faster drive (somewhere in scotland there's a Sun Ultra5 CD-ROM drive which has a label stuck inside it when I forgot about this. it still worked when I left it...) Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:31:00 -0400 From: "David Willems" Subject: those with turntables and burners A HUGE favor to ask.. If anyone with the capability to burn thier vinyl onto CD could make a copy of "Mossy Liquor" for me, I would be most indebted.. Bonus, if you could include any/all of the following vinyl-only things: K records Single - 7" I Something You Zipper in My Spine Underwater Moonlight - 7" Innocent Boy (studio outtake) Zip-Zip Astronomy Domine Storefront Hitchcock - LP Filthy Bird Statue With A Walkman You And Oblivion Airscape Eerie Green Storm Lantern Nextdoorland - 7" Underwater Moonlight Only The Stones Remain Please email me privately. Thanks, David _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:37:38 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: time waster [0% RH] Ultimate UK time waster and nostalgia trip: ZX Spectrum games in your browser, f'rinstance Chuckie Egg, http://www.emuunlim.com/hob/chuckie.html Shame there's no sound, but then the Speccy was never a great musician. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:47:49 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Bush (not W), Tori, etc. Drew on Tori and Kate Bush: >>I guess I'm lucky, because I don't really hear one. I doubt >>it would be a drawback if I did, because I love Kate Bush. Not on the piano stuff, but there was a time when Tori still got played on the radio and started having ryhthm sections, and I mistook two of her releases in a row for new Kate Bush songs ("God" and "Cornflake Girl", I think), so that's what I'm going on. I like KB a good deal but sometimes a whole album of hers can be rough going for me. >>her concept albums are sufficiently oblique that their pretensions >>are utterly ignorable in favor of those delicious melodies and >>arrangements. I do agree with that, and it's where I get the Spike Lee (or Michael Moore or Michael Stipe or Bono) thing... there's a complexity to their art that vanishes when they step up to the pulpit as public personas. ________________ Stewart: >>Is there still the rule that Macs on screen aren't allowed to hurt >>anyone, and you aren't allowed to smash one up on camera No, evil spies have Macs, too, nowadays, but I have a feeling that's just because Macs are all the prop department has around. But they still save the world 90% more frequently than non-Macs. And although they "look good" as they are, I'm surprised Apple hasn't created a "silver screen powerbook" with the logo on the lid upside-down, so that it appears rightside up when the powerbook is open and shot from behind. An upside-down-logo is a weird form of product placement. _____________ ken: >>kristin's channelling angst appeals to that very subculture (goths). isn't it about >>alienation and rejection of societal values? Occasionally the former. Rarely if ever the latter. There's never been anything cut-and-dried "call-to-arms"-ish in her songwriting. Even the "alienation" angle seems to have more to do with confusion about the state of things than railing against them. Take "Fish", probably the first Muses song most people heard: the music and the crazed vocals might sound good in a goth club, but lyrically it's damned hard to penetrate, more stunned or mentally-ill sounding than angry or even petulant. _____________ Stewart: >>radiohead moment at the start of "My Mind Is Connected ..." -- anyone else? No, thankfully. Man, I sure am deploying my "like" and "dislike" features liberally today. Sorry! - -Rex __________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:32:17 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Rockin', the diaspora. On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Stewart Russell wrote: > wasn't there some insane cold war plan to use a captured/mocked up > russian bomber to drop pig carcases over Mecca? i thought we were doing that? i carry a gallon of pig fat in my truck every where i go, just in case i feel like making some idiot really nervous. it is a shame the christians and catholics don't feel the same way about pork as that could make for a really fun 'night-out'. you could drive past almost any place of worship in the us with one of those mosquito trucks and spray everyone with pig grease. ok, ok that might not seem very nice but then people shouldn't be anymore offended by that than burning a cross or defiling, mocking etc.. anything with any religious affiliation. the negative association is a shame because a big wooden cross looks real neat when it is on fire. all religion should be outlawed and violators could be punished with death by cognition or the comfy chair. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:46:33 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Rockin' The Ka'bah On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, steve wrote: > This guy wants to bury Moslems in pigskin bags, so that they can't go > to heaven and get the virgins. BTW, it was his book that prompted > Jerry Falwell's latest stupidity. but what could we wrap the christians, jews, hindus, catholics etc... in to keep them from being fulfilled by their own silly superstitions and fanaticisms? we could save the good ones for us. seven slender shiney sylphs fer all of us. god damn it! gSs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:54:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: #319, #320 On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Jason R. Thornton wrote: > Saw Bright Eyes for about the fourth time last night. The size of the > touring band has increased to something like 13 people (there was about 5 > the last time I saw them), including violin, cello, trumpet, flute, bassoon > and three drummers. Lovely. I saw them about three years ago, and I was deeply disappointed. There's amateurishness, and then there's amateurishness. They didn't know what they were going to play, they didn't know how to play it, and they didn't particularly seem to care, spending most the time mumbling jokes back and forth to one another. I haven't heard the new one, and I like the ones I've heard just fine - but live? forget it. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n Lecturer English Department University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:28:39 -0700 From: drew Subject: goth / not goth >From: Eb [I doubted that Kristin Hersh fans are leftover goths] >How come? The 4AD label always had a heavy goth following. Cocteau Twins, This Mortal Coil, Dead Can Dance, sure; Lisa Germano, maybe; the Pixies, Throwing Muses, uh-uh. At least not in my neck of the woods. That isn't to say that goths listen only to goth music, of course, but there's a pretty clear goth / not goth line and Hersh is on the right of it. > And >nowadays, Hersh's own makeup/hairdye preferences are lookin' rather >goth.... What, you mean black hair and eyeliner? Ooooh, so very goth! Or has she taken to a white base with black Egyptian eye curlicues and blood red ponyfalls? >From: "Rex.Broome" > >Well, there seem to be less and less of them all the time, but they're still >there. Maybe not goths, but, like, Siouxsie-wanna-be's all decked out-like >and prone to odd full-body serpent dances. Weird. I've only been to the one Hersh concert, but I never saw anybody like that there. Seemed like the more expected San Francisco indie crowd. >From: Ken Ostrander > >...if you don't listen to the throwing muses. imho, kristin's channelling >angst appeals to that very subculture. isn't it about alienation and >rejection of societal values? No, it absolutely is not. Otherwise punks and beatniks would be goths. Goth is not just being sad and wearing black. The subculture has a very specific and identifiable look. The aesthetic of the sublime (awe, fear, reverence), or even just random Halloweeny shit, is layered over the angst (which may or may not even exist in specific cases). Thus Nightmare Before Christmas is goth but American Beauty is not (Thora Birch's character is not goth, though the filmmakers seemed to think she could be). Goth music is a pretty specific genre. Emo is all about angst but it's not goth music. Smashing Pumpkins were all about angst from the beginning but they weren't goth until _Mellon Collie_ and even then they were sort of mainstream goth. Leonard Cohen's kind of sad and he's probably worn a lot of black but he's not goth. Lots of goths listen to Tori Amos (partly because of the Neil Gaiman connection) but I think opinions would be pretty divided over whether she performs "goth music." Oh: and a lot of goths I know are rather less alienated and rejecting of societal values than you might think. They're a lot more interested in handicrafts and partying than moping and cutting themselves. >you don't have to have the look to be a goth. It really depends on who you talk to, my friend. Here's a point of view much more aligned with yours (and one which I think is somewhat more charitable and self-serving than my own): http://www.goth.net/goth.html And here's what AMG has to say about the genre of music: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=SEARCH&sql=C387 Drew ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:05:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: goth / not goth On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, drew wrote: > Goth is not just being sad and wearing black. There's also white makeup, taking oneself way too seriously given the shtick's intrinsic silliness, and the key of E minor. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Oxygen isn't a text:: __David Robbins__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:14:08 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Buffirefly At 01:44 PM 10/9/2002 -0700, Rex.Broome wrote: >Never got into Buffy (the whole high school thing is just a turnoff) This is the fourth season that Buffy and her peers haven't been in high school (though Buffy just took a job at the new Sunnydale High, so high school life returns in some form). I didn't get hooked until the end of Season Three and the beginning of Season Four, maybe in part because I thought it would be too teen-cutesy and/or teen-angsty. It wasn't, even when I revisited the three seasons that did take place in high school. >but >have been surprised to enjoy what I've seen of Firefly. Like the music and >the fact that there's no sound in the exterior space shots. Definitely a plus. >And the cute >engineer. Definite Willow factor there, but Morena Baccarin... I think they stole her schematics from my dreams. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:26:41 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Feg pelf At 02:22 PM 10/9/2002 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Misreading (or mishearing) can be very useful: I forget the original, but >one time I misread something or other as "skull piano," and I got to >thinking about a sort of science-fictional, art thingy involving >genetically bred organic pianos, or things built to look like such, left >to rot and decay in curious locales, jungles, ice floes, deserts, >generally elementally extreme environments... When Melissa and I were in Chicago a few weeks ago for the Wire show, we went to the Lincoln Park Conservatory, where you can find among the plants a bunch of stuff like rusting clocks, high-heel shoes, vintage radios, etc., as though scattered after a plane crash in the jungle. It was quite an unexpected installation, and it added a welcome surreal touch to the wonderful turn-of-the-century glass and steel oasis. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 16:24:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: goth / not goth On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > Goth is not just being sad and wearing black. > > There's also white makeup, taking oneself way too seriously given the > shtick's intrinsic silliness, and the key of E minor. You know, I'm thinking of all the hardcore goths I've known over the years, and not one of them could possibly be described as taking themselves very seriously. No doubt they are all rare exceptions, though. - --Chris [Note: All the goths I've known have been college age or older; things might be different among high school goths.] ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:34:07 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: #319, #320 At 12:54 PM 10/10/2002 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >I saw them about three years ago, and I was deeply disappointed. There's >amateurishness, and then there's amateurishness. They didn't know what >they were going to play, they didn't know how to play it, and they didn't >particularly seem to care, spending most the time mumbling jokes back and >forth to one another. As I mentioned, I've seen them a few times now, and they seemed rather professional each time, at least by indie standards, putting on an focused, well-executed show. Last night there were some technical sound problems, but these were solely the fault of the crappy venue - they had similar problems last week with Blonde Redhead. Most of the on-stage banter/jokes included, or were directed at, the audience. Things could get loose, but not amateurishly so. Conor did at one point decide to play a song solo that wasn't on the set-list, but these sort of spur-of-the-moment decisions don't really bother me. Perhaps they were having an off night? A bit too many complementary drink tickets... ;) Cheers! Jason ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:07:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Buffirefly On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Miles Goosens wrote: > >Never got into Buffy (the whole high school thing is just a turnoff) > > This is the fourth season that Buffy and her peers haven't been in high > school (though Buffy just took a job at the new Sunnydale High, so high > school life returns in some form). I didn't get hooked until the end of > Season Three and the beginning of Season Four, maybe in part because I > thought it would be too teen-cutesy and/or teen-angsty. It wasn't, even > when I revisited the three seasons that did take place in high school. And I'd like to add that people who found real-life high school a turnoff might especially enjoy Buffy's high school years! High school as the mouth of Hell is a metaphor many of us can really understand. In fact, while I love every season of Buffy (even the semi-oft-maligned season 6), I think seasons 2 and 3, when Buffy was still in high school, are the best overall. I lost the quote, but someone mentioned the original Buffy movie. While I enjoyed it when it first came out, the movie is just a pale shadow of the later TV series in terms of writing, acting, directing, filmography, editing, music, and even special effects. Of course being a terrible Buffy geek, I have the movie on DVD; but I wouldn't have bought it new if there hadn't been a 50% off sale. > >but > >have been surprised to enjoy what I've seen of Firefly. Like the music and > >the fact that there's no sound in the exterior space shots. I thought the first episode was rather weak, but the next two were substantially better. If any of you were turned off by the first ep, you might want to give it another chance. But I have to disagree with Miles - -- Kaylee the engineer is a much bigger turn-on for me than Inara the "companion." (And Jewel Staite seems to be a better actress than Morena Baccarin, from what little we've seen so far. But at least Morena's character got to broaden her range a bit in last week's episode. And am I a complete geek or what?) - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:12:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Rockin' The Ka'bah steve wrote: > This guy wants to bury Moslems in pigskin bags, so that they can't go > to heaven and get the virgins. But wouldn't a Christian already believe Muslims aren't going to heaven since they never accepted Jesus Christ as their savior? So by bother to put them in pigskin bags, wouldn't they be conceding that Islam is actually the only true faith, and that Christianity is false? Not that logic is a skill most of these sorts of Christian (or Muslim or whatever) supremacist scum actually have. Or unless the real purpose isn't to keep them out of heaven, but to intimidate non-believers into shutting up, and sit at the back of the bus like good little n's. ===== "If we don't allow journalists, politicians, and every two-bit Joe Schmo with a cause to grandstand by using 9-11 as a lame rhetorical device, then the terrorists have already won." -- "Shredder" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:18:47 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Pretty Ballerina One knowledgeable source tells me the "Pretty Ballerina" scale is usually called Lydian Dominant or Lydian flat7. The latter is basically the same as my fudged name.... Incidentally, if you like this song, play the MP3 game and find Jason Falkner's great cover of this. He plays around with the bass notes a little in the chorus, and it adds a neat new harmonic dimension. Eb PS Jurassic 5 was a lot of fun, last night.:) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:28:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: or not to be Rhett Miller > From: "Russ Reynolds" > > Picked up the new Rhett Miller today. A couple of Old 97ish tracks but > mostly it sounds like he's doing his best to try and become a pop star. I've received a Rhett Miller double-whammy. In the same week I acquired both of his solo albums. The new one, "Instigator," and his first one, "Mythologies," self-released in 1989. I'm pretty much enjoying the new one: I'm a sucker for Jon Brian's recordings (why doesn't he record Willie Nelson?) and it does have a nice Old 97's feel at time. I do believe it is tilted a little toward the Davy Jones "cutesy songs for girls" angle, though. But it's good. But his first album is something else altogether. Miller sings with an English accent, is backed by bongos, and is unbelievably fey sounding. At times it is shudderingly bad. Shudderingly, laughably, bad. Well, at least to me. (And this album is extremely collectible. People are paying $100 for copies of this thing. Amazing.) It's weird hearing someone's best and worst albums for the first time in the same week. Miller has come far with his songwriting. Very far. Robyn's first songs weren't nearly as bad or awkward as Miller's first songs were. FWIW. . Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:40:45 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Bush (not W), Tori, etc. - -- "Rex.Broome" is rumored to have mumbled on Donnerstag, 10. Oktober 2002 9:47 Uhr -0700 regarding Bush (not W), Tori, etc.: > And although they "look good" as they are, I'm surprised Apple hasn't > created a "silver screen powerbook" with the logo on the lid upside-down, > so that it appears rightside up when the powerbook is open and shot from > behind. But they have! All recent iBooks and PowerBooks are that way ... - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:09:13 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: CD rot >> >I also write on CDs with markers > >Eb: > >> Uh...why? I've been writing on CDs with markers since 1988, and - at the risk of jinxing it - no problems with disc rot yet. As to why, pput it down to two things: (1) it's good to have some sort of ID on your discs if you're constantly taking them to a radio station; (2) Natural Born Cataloguer. James nf - Sweden. well why not? np - Prokofiev's Symphony Classique - London Philharmonic (Kurt Masur cond). Next up, Boomtown Rats - The fine art of surfacing. I know. Predictable. James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:52:27 +0000 From: "Golden Hind" Subject: [none] Sumi, What a great visual idea for a Buffy episode -- the Bad Hair Demon invades Sunnydale. - --------------- Speaking of Buffy, or Weadon or whatever, its a shame they didnt quiz Robyn for this, I bet he would have had a good bon mote for them: www.theonionavclub.com/avclub3837/avfeature_3837.html Kay "I think it's nice when old things can still move around." Robyn Hitchcock _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 19:57:32 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Rockin' The Ka'bah On Thursday, October 10, 2002, at 04:12 PM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > But wouldn't a Christian already believe Muslims aren't going to heaven > since they never accepted Jesus Christ as their savior? So by bother to > put them in pigskin bags, wouldn't they be conceding that Islam is > actually the only true faith, and that Christianity is false? > > Not that logic is a skill most of these sorts of Christian (or Muslim > or whatever) supremacist scum actually have. Or unless the real purpose > isn't to keep them out of heaven, but to intimidate non-believers into > shutting up, and sit at the back of the bus like good little n's. The idea is that the superstitious bastards won't be willing to martyr themselves if they think they might not get their rewards. - - Steve __________ Just when you thought things couldn't get any worse, the bumbling, tongue-tied Dick Armey announces his retirement as House majority leader and the shrewd, malevolent Tom DeLay, now Republican whip, moves quickly-and probably successfully-to succeed him. - Cragg Hines, Houston Chronicle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:09:41 -0400 From: "Roberta Cowan" Subject: RE: #319, #320 from Stewart: >my copy of Skylarking looks terrible -- oxidised gold blotches creeping >over the surface -- but last time I tried it played without skipping. >Dunno how much of the original signal is there, and what is >interpolated, though. Funny you should mention XTC but my copy of English Settlement is in a similar predicament though it's a bunch of pin prick holes in the silver coating. And yes, it skips. It is the Geffen issue. I have a couple of other discs that this has also happened to with no rhyme or reason as to the cause. Sometimes they skip, sometimes not. Another interesting phenomena can be illustrated by the infamous olive oil incident. A bunch of my CDs were immersed in olive oil (don't ask!) and when I went to clean them off (I used a very mild solution of dish soap in lukewarm water) several of them had the writing on the discs peel off or otherwise disintegrate. I guess early on many discs had some sort of clear laminate on them with the information, it wasn't printed directly on the disc. This is one situation where a marker comes in handy. Doesn't etree.org discourage people from writing directly on discs with a marker? Roberta ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #322 ********************************