From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #321 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, October 10 2002 Volume 11 : Number 321 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Modes and Buffy ["Golden Hind" ] Re: Modes and Buffy ["Sumiko Keay" ] lord kiv [drew ] Re: #319, #320 [Eb ] Re: #319, #320 [Tom Clark ] Ghouls/Beck/Macs/Art at Sea ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Ghouls/Beck/Macs/Art at Sea [Stewart Russell ] Re: goths? really? [Ken Ostrander ] Re: For Your Endurement: ["Maximilian Lang" ] Ultimate Punk Charleston ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Modes and Buffy [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: #319, #320 [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Ghouls/Beck/Macs/Art at Sea [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Who is Mr. Kennedy? [Jason Miller ] CD Rot [Jason Miller ] re: geek shit ["matt sewell" ] Re: Egyptian cream a la mode [Michael R Godwin ] radiohead moment [Stewart Russell ] Re: Ghouls/Beck/Macs/Art at Sea [rosso@videotron.ca] Re: #319, #320 [rosso@videotron.ca] Re: #319, #320 [rosso@videotron.ca] Re: #319, #320 [Stewart Russell ] Re: Rockin' The Ka'bah [Stewart Russell ] Re: Egyptian cream a la mode ["Mike Wells" ] Re: Rockin' The Ka'bah [steve ] Re: #319, #320 [steve ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 19:56:45 +0000 From: "Golden Hind" Subject: Modes and Buffy Jeffff I agree we will probobly never exactly know what Plato meant about the modes, but I find the idea that different sorts of musical expression have different powers intriguing. Ficino picked up on that in the 15th century. Juddee Sills in the early 70s supposidly did something with the modes, but Im not sure what. I think music does have more of an effect on people than science has so far been able to account for. Or as Alison Krause sings "If there wasn't music, I wouldn't make it thru. I dont know how I know that but I do." - ---------- Chris(and Sumiko?), thank you for the Buffy update. You filled me in with all sorts of great info.... But -what- did they do the Dawn's hair? And why, why, why....;-) - ----------- Kay _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:58:30 -0500 From: "Sumiko Keay" Subject: Re: Modes and Buffy >>> "Golden Hind" 10/09/02 02:56PM >>> Jeffff I agree we will probobly never exactly know what Plato meant about the modes, but I find the idea that different sorts of musical expression have different powers intriguing. Ficino picked up on that in the 15th century. Juddee Sills in the early 70s supposidly did something with the modes, but Im not sure what. I think music does have more of an effect on people than science has so far been able to account for. Or as Alison Krause sings "If there wasn't music, I wouldn't make it thru. I dont know how I know that but I do." - ---------- Chris(and Sumiko?), thank you for the Buffy update. You filled me in with all sorts of great info.... But -what- did they do the Dawn's hair? And why, why, why....;-) Kay, The L.A. Blonde-highlight demon attacked her hair sometime over the summer. . . it's the one true evil that the Slayer can't seem to kill. sumi - ----------- Kay _________________________________________________________________ Join the world s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 13:04:21 -0700 From: drew Subject: lord kiv >From: "The Birdpoo" >Again, the documentary revealed that the actor Peter Richardson (fellow >"Comic Strip" mate of Mayall, Edmonson and Planer) had been intended for the >role of Mike, since he performed a similar character in his stand up >routine. Unfortunately, he argued with the producer before filming started >and was replaced with the lamentable Christopher Ryan. Bite your tongue! I adore Christopher Ryan. Richardson would have been far too overbearing. I finally got around to sampling Wilco's _Yankee Hotel Foxtrot_. Not bad; I really like about half of it, though the other half is kind of whiny and slappable. I wonder if I would prefer Uncle Tupelo, since so far what I've heard of Wilco and Son Volt has been half great and half boring. I checked out a Minus 5 album recently as well; the last song was fantastic and the rest was kind of catchy but nothing I'd care to hear again -- I have a similar reaction to 90% of the Guided By Voices I've heard. >From: "Rex.Broome" > >I don't intensely dislike Tori, but I've never gotten over that vocal Kate >Bush similarity. I guess I'm lucky, because I don't really hear one. I doubt it would be a drawback if I did, because I love Kate Bush. Is the similarity you hear kind of like the similarity between Luke Haines and Robyn Hitchcock? >And I think you've hit the nail on the head with the >self-importance thing. Here's her Important Album where she covers male >songwriters and "rights their wrongs" while doing countless interviews >introducing us all to this previously unknown concept called, and I might >have gotten this wrong, "femalism" or somethin'. I'm no closer to liking that fetid piece of crap now than I ever was, so no argument here. I've already preordered the new album, though, because if there's one thing we can rely on Tori for, it's that her concept albums are sufficiently oblique that their pretensions are utterly ignorable in favor of those delicious melodies and arrangements. >She kinda reminds me of Spike Lee (you knew that was coming, right?)... No, I didn't. I can't keep up with you, I guess. >D'ya think the compulsion to do 9/11 songs will date all the records for >these few years sorta like the rash of "televangelist songs" that dot >late-'80's rock (rauk) like so many pustulent boils? No worse than the sounds will...hearing Reagan's voice on Def Leppard's "Dogs of War" is hardly the only late-80s thing about the record. :) - - Drew ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:09:37 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: #319, #320 From: drew >Some Hersh fans are leftover goths, sure. >That seems unlikely. How come? The 4AD label always had a heavy goth following. And nowadays, Hersh's own makeup/hairdye preferences are lookin' rather goth.... >Rex: >Question: on the basis of the single of "Sunshine" and "Liverpool" alone, >has Kim sold more, er, "units" than Robyn? I imagine with all the use in >commercials etc. it's probably brought in more cold hard royalties than >Robyn's hold catalog. I've wondered whether Rew earns more songwriting royalties off "Sunshine" than Hitchcock has earned in his whole career. That song gets used in movie trailers so much, it's a *cliche*. Right up there with "I Feel Good." I agree with Drew that it's a crummy song, though. >From: rosso@videotron.ca > >One was released in '89. My copy of "Here It Is The Music", the Ryko >comp, is from '88 and it's like new. Do you think the CD could have > been subject to unusual storage conditions? Think back on those >parties.... No unusual storage conditions. And sure, I have plenty of older CDs. I started buying CDs in 1987, and probably had about 200 CDs before getting One. >I also write on CDs with markers Uh...why? >Wrong opinion. Apple knows what you need, and it's slots. If a mechanism adds scratches to your CD nearly every time you use it, the mechanism is yucky. I take really good care of my CDs, and only a few have any marks added by me. It's annoying when the *appliance* is damaging the CDs more than a mere imperfect human. And now I'm doubled afraid to put CDs in the computer, because of this apparent heat issue. > > but this is an extreme case. I also noticed that, as usual, >> the CD seemed alarmingly hot after its stay in the computer. > >Hmmm. Bad airflow. Mine come out of the boring beige box at >room temperature. That's not a lie. Hm. Well, maybe your computer is suspended on wires, so it has airflow through the bottom too? ;) > > Furthermore, the non-data side of the CD actually seemed to be a >> little STICKY. Which is undoubtedly what caused the ejection problem. > >The drive *slimed* the CD? I don't think that's the right way to put it. I think the "slime" came from the CD itself, when heated by the computer. >From: Michael R Godwin > >Erm, I'm afraid that BtB is my least favourite Stones album (recent >unlistened-to material excluded) Weird. I'd rank it as my sixth *favorite*, after Aftermath, Beggars, Let It Bleed, Sticky and Exile. Then again, you're the one who shrugs off the Beatles. ;) Someone: >The basic idea of these modes is that you start with the major scale in C, >all white notes - this is the Ionian mode. The next mode along starts on >D, but still plays all white notes: this is Dorian, then Phrygian (E), Lydian (F), Mixolydian (G), Aeolian (A) and Locrian (B). Hm. I'm not sure what scale "Pretty Ballerina" is, but it's not any of those scales. The verse scale's half steps are at 4-5 and 6-7, which *is* kinda strange, come to think of it. There's an obvious bit of harmonic dissonance in the "pret-ty bal-ler-in-a" trill, and the oddness of that dissonance is what gives the song its hook. I guess it's "Lydian with a flatted seventh," but that's not proper terminology. Maybe it's some natural variant on the diminished scale, with a major third. It's an interesting question...I'm gonna research this a bit. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 13:23:53 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: #319, #320 on 10/9/02 1:09 PM, Eb at ElBroome@earthlink.net wrote: >> Hmmm. Bad airflow. Mine come out of the boring beige box at >> room temperature. That's not a lie. > > Hm. Well, maybe your computer is suspended on wires, so it has > airflow through the bottom too? ;) No, it just has a loud fan. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:44:46 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Ghouls/Beck/Macs/Art at Sea Me: >>Some Hersh fans are leftover goths, sure. Drew: >>That seems unlikely. Well, there seem to be less and less of them all the time, but they're still there. Maybe not goths, but, like, Siouxsie-wanna-be's all decked out-like and prone to odd full-body serpent dances. Exclusively female, this class of fan. Never understood it myself, and Kristin has indicated she's somewhat nonplussed as well, but there ya go. _______ Kay on Ghouls (her new PBS series): >>I've always thought of ghouls as semi-corporeal, sorta intermediate(and >>intermitent) beings. That actually sounds right to me. >>they're always hungry. They want real bodies, but they can never attain >>one, they can never have real substance. Everyone seems to agree that they're hungry. Do you also agree that they are distinct from ghosts, inasmuch as they were never alive as mortals per se? I believe that if they achieved substance they might become fiends, who are corporeal but soulless and also hunger for grisly stuff. Like vampires without the benefit of ever having lived a human life. >>Or do others think Beck does indeed have substence even thou he changes styles >>so easily? Well, he's evoked Nick Drake for years before ND's "resurgence", so I give him a pass on that front. I think he has a couple different forms of substance, Beck, and I have been alternately really enthusiastic and drastically let down by him (often inversely to what everyone else seems to think of him). I like the new record okay, but I think the poor lad's gotten a little too concerned about selling records and impressing critics, where he used to blithely go wherever his whims took him. Pressure from his Scientologist handlers? Hmmmm... __________ Chris G. >>For the past few seasons pretty much EVERY computer shown on >>Buffy and Angel has been a Mac. I don't know if this is widely known, noticed, or understood, but way more people on TV and in movies use Macs than in reality, and the reason is, quite simply, that almost all Hollywood/entertainment industry professionals use Macs. Partly because most of the best professional aps like ProTools, Avid, Final Cut Pro etc. and various graphics programs all started off on Macs and partly, frankly, as a form of shared social snobbery. Most of my friends and family work either in entertainment or education, which are as far as I can tell the two largest remaining Mac-dominated pockets of civilization. We all have Macs. Never got into Buffy (the whole high school thing is just a turnoff) but have been surprised to enjoy what I've seen of Firefly. Like the music and the fact that there's no sound in the exterior space shots. And the cute engineer. Little things, you know... ________ Jeffrey with the ever-increasing FF's: >>Put "strange installations or art happenings" on old ships drifting on the sea, for >>people to come upon unexpectedly... Great idea. Draw up a proposal and send it to these guys: http://www.clui.org/ Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 17:03:51 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Ghouls/Beck/Macs/Art at Sea Rex.Broome wrote: > > I don't know if this is widely known, noticed, or understood, but way more > people on TV and in movies use Macs than in reality Is there still the rule that Macs on screen aren't allowed to hurt anyone, and you aren't allowed to smash one up on camera? Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:06:42 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Ghouls/Beck/Macs/Art at Sea on 10/9/02 1:44 PM, Rex.Broome at Rex.Broome@preferredmedia.com wrote: > I don't know if this is widely known, noticed, or understood, but way more > people on TV and in movies use Macs than in reality, and the reason is, > quite simply, that almost all Hollywood/entertainment industry professionals > use Macs. Partly because most of the best professional aps like ProTools, > Avid, Final Cut Pro etc. and various graphics programs all started off on > Macs and partly, frankly, as a form of shared social snobbery. Most of my > friends and family work either in entertainment or education, which are as > far as I can tell the two largest remaining Mac-dominated pockets of > civilization. We all have Macs. Just because I'm qualified to expand on this, I will. Apple has a small group of individuals in Hollywood who evangelize the use of Macs in TV and movies. Like Rex said, it's not really a hard sell since they're pretty prevalent in the industry, and they look good on screen. Apple even supplies machines to the productions, but with the agreement that the logo is never covered up. Some shows have used Macs in the past and discreetly covered the logos (I think the Mac on Drew Carey's desk was like this, many seasons ago when I still watched), but in these cases the producers rented or bought the machines themselves. - -t "yes, I've met Sinbad" c ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 17:34:05 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: Re: goths? really? >>Some Hersh fans are leftover goths, sure. > >That seems unlikely. ...if you don't listen to the throwing muses. imho, kristin's channelling angst appeals to that very subculture. isn't it about alienation and rejection of societal values? you don't have to have the look to be a goth. i interpreted "leftover" to encompass those who used to do the look and have perhaps toned it down, though i've seen plenty that are still holding on at her shows. ken "whatcha gonna do when the novelty is gone?" the kenster np blacklisted neko case ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 17:54:29 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: For Your Endurement: >From: "*FS Thomas*" >>Caught the Chameleons on Friday at South Paw in Brooklyn and again on >Saturday at Maxwell's. Excellent shows, I must say, with the winner I >think >being the Friday show at the South Paw. > >Photos: http://www.ochremedia.com/photos/omPhoto.php4?pg=chameleons.php4 > >The recording of Friday will be ready shortly. >-ferris. For any Chameleons(UK) fans on list, I should mention that I recorded the Maxwell's and Pontiac Grille(Philly)shows. Those recordings will also be available soon. They were both equal and excellent in quality, if you ever liked the Chameleons please make an effort to see them. My wife Kathy went also...she did not care too much for them. After the show we were walking to the car when she said "I just don't get it, those people were acting like it wassome sort of a religious experience" to which I replied " acting like?" Max _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:40:26 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Ultimate Punk Charleston It just occurred to me: "Everybody's Happy Nowadays" by the Buzzcocks. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 18:53:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Modes and Buffy On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Golden Hind wrote: > Juddee Sills in the early 70s supposidly did something with the modes, but > Im not sure what. Modal stuff is pretty common, actually. As I said, probably most rock songs are more in mixolydian than in a major or minor scale, lots are in dorian, and metal loves phrygian. Jazz, fusion, and prog are even worse. No Buffy content - except that, hey, lots of high school girls abuse the blonding agent, so why not Dawn? And (perhaps the influence of Bloom) I too was seeing something sort of Shakespearian in Spike's madness. Okay, I lied about the lack of Buffy content. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::[clever or pithy quote]:: __[source of quote]__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 18:57:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: #319, #320 On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Tom Clark wrote: > > Hm. Well, maybe your computer is suspended on wires, so it has > > airflow through the bottom too? ;) > > No, it just has a loud fan. (must...not...make...awful...in-jokey...pun) Whew. Made it. (Let Miles, Aaron Mandel, and I think a few others explain it...) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::beliefs are ideas going bald:: __Francis Picabia__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:01:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Ghouls/Beck/Macs/Art at Sea On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Rex.Broome wrote: > Chris G. > >>For the past few seasons pretty much EVERY computer shown on > >>Buffy and Angel has been a Mac. > > I don't know if this is widely known, noticed, or understood, but way more > people on TV and in movies use Macs than in reality, and the reason is, > quite simply, that almost all Hollywood/entertainment industry professionals > use Macs. Partly because most of the best professional aps like ProTools, > Avid, Final Cut Pro etc. and various graphics programs all started off on > Macs and partly, frankly, as a form of shared social snobbery. Most of my > friends and family work either in entertainment or education, which are as > far as I can tell the two largest remaining Mac-dominated pockets of > civilization. We all have Macs. Aside from this (very real) factor, there's another: a Wintel machine can be *anything*, but a Mac is recognizably a Mac. That is, if a production is trying to dredge up product-placement bucks, a Wintel machine does you no good: unless you close up on it to show "Dell" or whatever, it just looks like...a computer. Macs are so much more visually distinctive, and so a better fit for visual media like TV and movies. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, Mac apostate currently in a Win98 environment but old-fartishly e-mailing in Pine J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me? __Captain Beefheart__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:29:03 -0500 From: steve Subject: Rockin' The Ka'bah The local NPR station has made the unfortunate decision to broadcast this week's blather in the congress, so I turned over to the Point Of View show to see if they were up to anything interesting. Turns out they had this guy Robert Morey on talking about his final solution for the Moslem problem. He wants to destroy the Ka'bah. Well, there's some other stuff, but I've just got to go with the Ka'bah thing as the topper. When you get right down to it, he really doesn't have much time for Jews, Catholics, Mormons, Moonies and a host of other folk, but even though they're all dead in the end, it's Moslems that just really piss him off. For your listening pleasure - http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/point_of_view/Archives.asp - - Steve __________ To be sure, the fatuous hypocrisy of the Bush case for war is no reason to let Saddam Hussein drop a nuclear bomb on your head. Iraq may be an imminent menace to the United States even though George W. Bush says it is. You would think that if honest and persuasive arguments were available, the administration would offer them. But maybe not. - Michael Kinsley ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 06:27:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Jason Miller Subject: Who is Mr. Kennedy? I've been catching up on digests lately so this is a little overdue. Someone asked just who this Mr. Kennedy fellow was. Robyn explained the genesis for Mr. Kennedy the first time he performed it publicly. This was during the Grant Lee Hitchcock show at Maxwell's in NJ on 10/18/00. Should also explain why Robyn looked so tired on that tour. It were the Lips' fault. "Yeah, it was last year. But I haven't finished it. I was on tour with Sebadoh, we were part of the Flaming Lips revue and those guys like to get up late in the morning like me, whereas the Lips all get up as soon as they've gone to bed and drive 300 miles and set the gear up. Me and the Sebs preferred to stay asleep as long as possible and get there just before the gig. And their driver was a man named Miles Kennedy, which prompted me to write this particular song, or as much of it as I've written." Jason ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 06:33:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Jason Miller Subject: CD Rot If you have a Mac running OS X.1 or later and wish to try and rescue the audio of these discs you might try AudioCDRescue: I've had a lot of good luck with it. Note that it used to be shareware but is now listed as freeware. The registration code is listed on the page [481052]. Basically it attempts to read each sector on a CD up to 8 times to rescue the audio. I gather that this is somewhat similar to Exact Audio Copy on the PC, though AudioCDRescue is a little more bare bones. Jason ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:36:11 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: re: geek shit Hmm... I see what you mean, it *is* a bit early in the season for the qualifiers to be nesting - maybe the best idea would be to dig over your combined index field for worms, so at least the hatchling qualifiers would have plenty to eat. Techie stuff - I shit it... Cheers Matt >From: gSs >Anyway the problem is nested qualifiers in the query script. Has anyone >every used nested qualifiers in an ARS query script? I can do it in sql >but the PM is determined for me to use the Remedy COM object we have >developed? > >I have yet to find any example which uses nested qualifiers. Are there >any and if so, where the smeg are they? > >To satisfy the request temporarily, I created a combined index field which >includes the data from all the fields that need to be search. Simple, >effective and fast but there is the redundant data issue. > >Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > >gSs - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:50:38 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Egyptian cream a la mode Great stuff, Jeffrey. Of course I realise that you can shunt the modes up and down the frets of a guitar, but my understanding was that the Greeks originally just had a lyre tuned to the one bunch of "white" notes, and they achieved different modes by starting on a different root note. That's why the Greeks weren't well-tempered! (: (: (: - - Timmy O'Danaos and Donna Ferentes (acknowledgements to Myles na gCopaleen) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 08:01:22 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: radiohead moment at the start of "My Mind Is Connected ..." -- anyone else? Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 23:25:42 -0400 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: Ghouls/Beck/Macs/Art at Sea On 9 Oct 2002 at 17:03, Stewart Russell wrote: > Is there still the rule that Macs on screen aren't allowed to hurt > anyone, and you aren't allowed to smash one up on camera? I've heard that too -- black hats use X86 machines; white hats use Apple. Intel is Ungood. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 08:06:42 -0400 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: #319, #320 On 9 Oct 2002 at 13:23, Tom Clark wrote: > No, it just has a loud fan. Which may be one reason my CD drive doesn't eat disks. Nyah nyah! I sure wish it came in fuschia, though. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 23:36:33 -0400 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: #319, #320 On 9 Oct 2002 at 13:09, Eb wrote: Me: > >I also write on CDs with markers Eb: > Uh...why? Mostly CD-R, because those do-it-yourself labels cost almost as much as the discs themselves. The next most scribbled on class is CD-ROM, where the manufacturer has seen fit to make the user enter a long code to activate the software. Lose the booklet/case and you lose the ability to install. The third class (must admit, there's only a handful of these) I've written on audio CDs when there's no artist/title ID on the disk itself or booklet, because I store my CDs in poly bags and keep the jewel cases in a big cardboard box in the basement. Those cases take up way too much space. I use water-soluble markers for this so I can erase it. So has anybody ever seen a confirmed case of CD-rot not caused by a bad player or by a hostile environment? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 08:28:11 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: #319, #320 rosso@videotron.ca wrote: > > So has anybody ever seen a confirmed case of CD-rot not caused > by a bad player or by a hostile environment? my copy of Skylarking looks terrible -- oxidised gold blotches creeping over the surface -- but last time I tried it played without skipping. Dunno how much of the original signal is there, and what is interpolated, though. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 08:34:03 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Rockin' The Ka'bah steve wrote: > > He wants to destroy the Ka'bah. Well, there's some other stuff, but > I've just got to go with the Ka'bah thing as the topper. wasn't there some insane cold war plan to use a captured/mocked up russian bomber to drop pig carcases over Mecca? Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 07:38:19 -0500 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: Egyptian cream a la mode Godwin: > That's why the Greeks weren't well-tempered! (: (: (: Which explains the genesis of the Arthurian legend: "and Plato held aloft Exclavier from the bosom of the water..." Sorry. I did see on my kids "Galidor" Happy Meals that Euripides now has 'powerful four foot frog legs,' presumably for aiding in his efforts to fight evil. Funny, I had a quite liberal education but don't remember that bit. Michael "Sophocles with a laser cannon" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 08:43:47 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Rockin' The Ka'bah On Thursday, October 10, 2002, at 07:34 AM, Stewart Russell wrote: > wasn't there some insane cold war plan to use a captured/mocked up > russian bomber to drop pig carcases over Mecca? This guy wants to bury Moslems in pigskin bags, so that they can't go to heaven and get the virgins. BTW, it was his book that prompted Jerry Falwell's latest stupidity. - - Steve __________ If the president fell flat on his face in the middle of the Rose Garden some of these characters would applaud his uncanny foresight in having arranged for the ground to be in just the right place to break his descent. Shades of the personality cult. - Josh Marshall, on the right wing echo chamber ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 08:51:10 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: #319, #320 On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 10:36 PM, rosso@videotron.ca wrote: > So has anybody ever seen a confirmed case of CD-rot not caused > by a bad player or by a hostile environment? Early on there were discs from a specific plant that were said to be incorrectly manufactured and likely to rot. I just saw an article about high speed drives and flawed discs. Seems that an edge rotation speed of 150MPH tends to cause them to fly apart. This is discs with structural flaws, not rot. - - Steve __________ The official U.S. government message on how citizens should decide about going to war is, "Don't worry your pretty little heads about it." - - Michael Kinsley ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #321 ********************************