From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #320 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, October 9 2002 Volume 11 : Number 320 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: The Young Ones ["The Birdpoo" ] Re: The Young Ones [Michael R Godwin ] Re: The Young Ones [Ken Weingold ] re: geek shit [gSs ] Re: geek shit [Stewart Russell ] ghouls ghouls ghouls [shmac@ix.netcom.com (Scott Hunter McCleary)] Velocity Of Sound is out today ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Feg pelf ["Golden Hind" ] Tori Amos. CD Rot (nb. two different subjects) ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Buffy! ["Sumiko Keay" ] Egyptian cream a la mode [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Feg pelf [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] For Your Endurement: ["*FS Thomas*" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:16:50 +0100 From: "The Birdpoo" Subject: Re: The Young Ones > On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, gSs wrote: > > Alexei had a very small part as the landlord. the band was nine below zero > > and they sounded pretty good. was this the pilot episode? Not too long ago, there was a documentary series in the UK on the history of "Alternative Comedy", which addressed these questions. Apparently, the first episode of "TYO" WAS a pilot. It was left on the shelf by the BBC for some time, while they ummed and ahhed about whether to commission a series. When Channel 4 started up in 1982, the BBC decided that they wanted a comedy series to rival what they were planning, so the series was rushed into production. You can tell that time has elapsed since the filming of this and the rest of the series, most notably with Rik Mayall's appearance (cf the hair). > > and even smaller? did the actor change? Again, the documentary revealed that the actor Peter Richardson (fellow "Comic Strip" mate of Mayall, Edmonson and Planer) had been intended for the role of Mike, since he performed a similar character in his stand up routine. Unfortunately, he argued with the producer before filming started and was replaced with the lamentable Christopher Ryan. Keg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:32:13 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: The Young Ones On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, The Birdpoo wrote: > > > and even smaller? did the actor change? > Again, the documentary revealed that the actor Peter Richardson (fellow > "Comic Strip" mate of Mayall, Edmonson and Planer) had been intended for the > role of Mike, since he performed a similar character in his stand up > routine. Unfortunately, he argued with the producer before filming started > and was replaced with the lamentable Christopher Ryan. A bit harsh, BP. In those Comic Strip Presents shows, I always thought that Richardson was far and away the worst actor of that crowd. I doubt that he would have done a better job at the least grotesque role of the 4 Young Ones. Anyway, I enjoyed seeing Ryan again as Edina's drug-damaged husband in AbFab... - - Mike "the cool person" Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:11:54 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: The Young Ones On Wed, Oct 9, 2002, Michael R Godwin wrote: > On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, The Birdpoo wrote: > > > > and even smaller? did the actor change? > > Again, the documentary revealed that the actor Peter Richardson (fellow > > "Comic Strip" mate of Mayall, Edmonson and Planer) had been intended for the > > role of Mike, since he performed a similar character in his stand up > > routine. Unfortunately, he argued with the producer before filming started > > and was replaced with the lamentable Christopher Ryan. > > A bit harsh, BP. In those Comic Strip Presents shows, I always thought > that Richardson was far and away the worst actor of that crowd. I doubt > that he would have done a better job at the least grotesque role of the > 4 Young Ones. Even more so, I think that Ryan did a great job as Mike. > Anyway, I enjoyed seeing Ryan again as Edina's drug-damaged husband in > AbFab... Me too. And also seeing Edmonson pop up here and there. But then again, he and Saunders are married, right? - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:28:47 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: re: geek shit Ok, here comes a big wave of geek shit. cover your head. The problem is The Remedy Corporation and their Action Request System 5.0. It uses schemas. Schemas suck. why should the modified date field be called anything but the modified date field as opposed to C536890712 for instance? Anyway the problem is nested qualifiers in the query script. Has anyone every used nested qualifiers in an ARS query script? I can do it in sql but the PM is determined for me to use the Remedy COM object we have developed? I have yet to find any example which uses nested qualifiers. Are there any and if so, where the smeg are they? To satisfy the request temporarily, I created a combined index field which includes the data from all the fields that need to be search. Simple, effective and fast but there is the redundant data issue. Any suggestions would be appreciated. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 09:41:55 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: geek shit gSs wrote: > > It uses schemas. Schemas suck. they're buttloads better than DTDs. But I think we're having a jargon namespace collison here. Either way, go out and buy The Apples in Stereo new one, "Velocity of Sound", out yesterday. This could easily be my album of the year, all 28 ever-loving minutes of it. You *will* be cheered up. Stewart - -- foreach(split('',"\3\3\3c>\0>c\177cc\0~c~``\0cc\177cc")) {$_=unpack('B8',$_);tr,01,\40#,;print$_,"\n";}##IYDKINT! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:19:25 -0400 From: shmac@ix.netcom.com (Scott Hunter McCleary) Subject: ghouls ghouls ghouls Ross wondered: >But in "Sudden Town" the ghouls sing sha la la so nicely they seem different. I hear coloured ghouls go "Doo doo doo doo di doo..." ========= SH McCleary Prodigal Dog Communications PO Box 6163 Arlington, VA 22206 shmac@prodigaldog.com www.prodigaldog.com www.1480kHz.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:51:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Velocity Of Sound is out today > From: Stewart Russell > > (Velocity Of Sound is out today!!!!!!!) I downloaded it off of Usenet a few weeks ago, and it rocks. The production is slicker (not the oh-so-dry Elephant 6 sound) but all of the songs are pure rock gems. The Apples just keep getting better. Too bad they're touring as a *supporting* act, opening for Clinic, fercryinoutloud. I hope they headline soon, they're always fun live. I had begun to believe that decent guitar rock was dead. The press was saying it was alive as it filled its pages with pap about The White Stripes and The Strokes. But the AiS are always dependable, and I've heard a couple of other new bands -- The Yeah Yeah Yeahs and The Paybacks -- which sound like they might we worth investigating. . Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 10:59:44 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Velocity Of Sound is out today Eugene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > > I downloaded it off of Usenet a few weeks ago, and it rocks. If it's the same 160Kb/s MP3s I have, they're way mushier than the real, bright orange, thing. "She's Telling Lies" is a masterpiece. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:00:33 -0700 From: drew Subject: goths? really? >From: "Rex.Broome" > >Some Hersh fans are leftover goths, sure. That seems unlikely. Speaking of CD damage, I'm starting to have trouble with a number of CDs, including Element of Light, in my car, especially very long ones. I suspect it's not the discs but my car's player. Any advice on the best way to clean a slot-loading car CD player? Do those CDs with brushes on the underside do the job or is there a better way? Drew ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 16:33:27 +0000 From: "Golden Hind" Subject: Feg pelf On the NDL front, has anyone mentioned this yet -- that the lead in to MMICTYD sounds very similar to the start of "Somebody." To the point where I wonder if it is meant to. Which makes me think of its EP cellmate, "The Crawling." Now, people are saying "La Cherite" sounds like an Edgyptians song, but by that logic dosn't "The Crawling" sound like a Soft Boys song? Or is 2/3s of one worth 1/2 of the other? - -------------- Stewart: >those appalling How To Be Creative books that suggests wearing a beret and >writing in green ink. JEff with ff that make ffff >"please value my cliched little deviation from the norm, like wow I'm > >going to spell my first name wrong on purpose" or something." I am so glad you two are on the list. I HATE, HATE, did I mention HATE that shite! Jeff, I agree with your Robyn creativity assessesment. Also, theres a difference tween being influenced and imitating. I think people are influenced deeply only by that which really reaches them, by that which is in some way congruent, relevant or in key with their own being. It resonates and the resonance is an interaction. An imitator tries to hide from any deep source, so what they produce is just a copy. Influence follows the NeoPlatonic model for art, imitating the Platonic one. - ------------------ Rex: >Ghouls to me would be non-corporeal but not ghosts (i.e. they were >never >alive), and they are relatively mindless and kind of gross and hungry. A >spectre would be a more sophisticated, erudite version of same My ghouls may be different from other people's ghouls. I've always thought of ghouls as semi-corporeal, sorta intermediate(and intermitent) beings. The more they eat(they love brains) the more substantial they become. This is why they're always hungry. They want real bodies, but they can never attain one, they can never have real substance. Guilt is like that. It can only eat life, it cant make life. - ----- Bloom and Shakespear. I love Bloom, not cause I always agree with him(I dont) but because I love how much he loves western literature. I think there is no higher praise you can give a critic than that he sends you back to the artist with renewed appetite and appreciation. - ------------------ I've watched "Buffy" for the last two weeks. I'm slightly lost(Spike has his soul back but is poetically insane? Willow murdered Terra?) but liking it. Spike mad talks like a Shakespearian character lost in a storm on a heathe, Willow figuring out how to apologize for the unapologizable is pretty interesting -- its great stuff. But -what- did they do to Dawn's hair color? And I noticed she used a Mac. - ------------------ Rob: >I found it quite a depressing article, And wierd in a upside-down post-modern way. Its like the journalist is half mad himself, he dosnt seem to comprehend how staring into people's windows is -not- honorable(a goal he claims to have set himself), that knocking up strangers(in the Brit sense, that is;-) is rude, or that its cracked taking a throw away sentence as "code" for our evential demise. Dosn't anyone get taught sanity, I mean manners, anymore? - ------------------------- James: >Not being able to enjoy a holiday because you keep on picturing >which parts of the scenery can be effectively painted. And it hurting that you dont have your painting stuff with you. >Spending hours agonising over whether you should throw some piece of >junkout because you can see how it could become an important part of an >installation. Or just tossing it into a shambeling pile over which months later you are agonizing " I know its in here -somewhere-." ;-) Or your neibhors thinking youre half mad cause you pick thru public trash for bits of broken appliences. Or taking uneven African "bottle" beads(made from melted down glass bottles and sand over a fairly cool fire), small stones, marbles and beach wampum and using boat glue to decorate cheap plastic nursery pots. Or ... . Why Im glad Feg exists. I'm an anomally in my neighborhood and at my job, but I feel at home here. >Imagining the empty shops filled with strange installations or art happenings. I once imagined and wrote an essay where Robyn's lyrics had become objects in a shop window(pre-Storefront Hitchcock.) I sent it off to someone on the list who had solicited for zine articles on Robyn. Nothing seems to have come of it, and I lost my own copy ages ago. If the person who had asked for the articles is still around, I would love a copy of it. I have no problem being creative, what I have a hard time with is valuing it - -as- work, even thou I know it is. - ------------------------- Jeffff >I think, though, that that sense of compulsion I feel in Robyn's work > >iswhy criticism that he ought to come up with a new shtick misses the > >point:t's not a shtick, it's how he expresses himself. Right. Ive downloaded some the the new Beck record and I like it, but part of me is leery of really plunging in heart and soul cause -- is there any heart and soul in there? What I mean is, if Drake is just the hip sound of this moment, even thou I love that sound, how much depth is going to be in it? Or do others think Beck does indeed have substence even thou he changes styles so easily? In short, is he influenced, or does he just imitate? >I'm not one to believe fans own artists, however: if Robyn's next >album is >him humming old sea chanties to the accompaniment of >twenty-five distorted >accordions, I may not want to hear it - but I'm >not going to be one of >those (I think foolish) critics who says, oh, >he shouldn't have released >that. Well, I agree no one owns anyone else, but I disagree with the rest of the thought. People make what they need to make, Im totally with you there. But you can chose whether to share it or not. I wouldnt be suprised if Robyn, and most other artists, have material hanging around which they -dont- want to make public for various reasons. And Id probobly like Robyn doing sea-chanties. But I would pass on spending money on it if I didnt. Artists dont have to release; fans dont have to buy. We're all free agents. There is stuff by Robyn I dont own. If an artist does release thou, I assume its because they think its fit for outside consumption. Meaning that the artist thinks, perhaps even wants, other people to -get- something of value from it. I would like to think (but don't, sigh) that all artists have enough self-respect not to release what they know to be crap. At least in an ideal world where record contracts dont exist. Once you throw business contracts in the mix it skews the equation(thou an artist can always protest with a MMM;-) - ------------- Ross, What a beautiful sad poem. If only this world did give better, more emotionally-fit endings. Well, the world dosnt but we do sometimes have that choice. And sometimes not. - ------------------ Now--on to peruse Jame's website updates :-) ... Kay _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:22:11 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Tori Amos. CD Rot (nb. two different subjects) Drew on Kristin & Tori: >> I enjoy Tori's songs a lot more in general, but I do find her manner more >>annoying... she seems to take herself pretty seriously, whereas Kristin seems >>to take herself less seriously than her fans do. I don't intensely dislike Tori, but I've never gotten over that vocal Kate Bush similarity. And I think you've hit the nail on the head with the self-importance thing. Here's her Important Album where she covers male songwriters and "rights their wrongs" while doing countless interviews introducing us all to this previously unknown concept called, and I might have gotten this wrong, "femalism" or somethin'. And now her post-9/11 State of the Union Road Trip Record. Wow. She kinda reminds me of Spike Lee (you knew that was coming, right?)... her art displays a certain subtlety and consideration that is totally absent from her overly vocal public persona. But overall she's just not my cup of chammomile. D'ya think the compulsion to do 9/11 songs will date all the records for these few years sorta like the rash of "televangelist songs" that dot late-'80's rock (rauk) like so many pustulent boils? _________ Eb: >>I don't know if I've ever gone to a legitimate "rap show" before. In, um, '92 or so, I saw Robyn one weekend and Public Enemy the next weekend. Oddly enough, I ran into the same three of my friends at both shows (four if you count my date). But, hey, we were all in college and man were we hip and young and sure to have our way and stuff. (Come to think of it, my date at those two shows was also one of my companions at the Exile Follies last week!) By the way, my Eggplant disc is totally fine... I just happened to have recently ripped their version of "Breakin' in My Heart" from it, so that's how I know. I've yet to experience "the rot", but I am curious as to whether anyone can outright recommend/discourage the use of one of those resurfacing/scratch-repairing gizmos. Turns out to be harder to keep your records out of the hands of a toddler than you might think. Once I walked into the living room and found her about 50-deep into her project of unloading one of my CD carousels. As a result some of my newest CD's look way scratchier than some of my oldest... scary. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 13:34:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Buffy! On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Golden Hind wrote: > I've watched "Buffy" for the last two weeks. I'm slightly lost(Spike has his > soul back but is poetically insane? Willow murdered Terra?) but liking it. Yes! I get to talk about Buffy again! I too have liked the first few episodes -- so far it's shaping up to be a good season. As for what happened with Willow and Spike at the end of last season [WARNING: spoilers! do not read below if you haven't seen those episodes yet and want to be surprised!] -- . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Late last season, the Nerd Trio's plans came to fruition when they captured a magical artifact that made Warren physically invincible. He was just starting a reign of terror when a guilt-stricken Jonathan told Buffy about the artifact, enabling her to defeat Warren. However, Warren escaped, and abandoned magic to go after Buffy with a gun. Buffy was badly wounded, and a stray shot killed Tara. Willow, driven mad with grief, gave in to the dark side of magic, sucked the power out of a demon, and went gunning for revenge. First she brutally tortured and killed Warren (so HE was the one she killed, not Tara). Then she went after the other two, and when Buffy and the gang tried to stop her, she attacked them too. Eventually she decided the only thing to do was put the whole world out of its misery. However, as she was beginning the world-destroying ritual, Xander found her, told her that he loved her, and by appealing to her better nature, made her snap out of it. World saved. Meanwhile, Spike was unable to get over his love for Buffy. About the time Warren was getting his super-power, Spike confronted Buffy, lost his temper, and tried to rape her. After she fought him off, Spike was confused by his feelings -- should he love Buffy? should he feel guilty about hurting her, being a vamp and all? how much had he changed -- and decided to split town. He went to a powerful demon in Africa, for reasons not revealed to the audience, and after passing numerous brutal challenges was finally rewarded by ... having his soul returned. Apparently he was hoping this would make him someone Buffy could love, but getting your soul back is harder than he realized. (He should have listened to Angel!) Of course this is just the very short version of the last four episodes. Season 6 isn't in reruns yet, but you can read the scripts here: > But -what- did they do to Dawn's hair color? And I noticed she used a Mac. Oh yes! For the past few seasons pretty much EVERY computer shown on Buffy and Angel has been a Mac. So, despite the vampires and demons, in some ways the Buffyverse is better than the real world.... - --Chris nr: various general-reader-level histories of Ancient Egypt ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 13:23:17 -0500 From: "Sumiko Keay" Subject: Re: Buffy! >>> Christopher Gross 10/09/02 12:34PM >>> On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Golden Hind wrote: > I've watched "Buffy" for the last two weeks. I'm slightly lost(Spike has his > soul back but is poetically insane? Willow murdered Terra?) but liking it. Yes! I get to talk about Buffy again! I too have liked the first few episodes -- so far it's shaping up to be a good season. As for what happened with Willow and Spike at the end of last season [WARNING: spoilers! do not read below if you haven't seen those episodes yet and want to be surprised!] -- . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Late last season, the Nerd Trio's plans came to fruition when they captured a magical artifact that made Warren physically invincible. He was just starting a reign of terror when a guilt-stricken Jonathan told Buffy about the artifact, enabling her to defeat Warren. However, Warren escaped, and abandoned magic to go after Buffy with a gun. Buffy was badly wounded, and a stray shot killed Tara. Willow, driven mad with grief, gave in to the dark side of magic, sucked the power out of a demon, and went gunning for revenge. First she brutally tortured and killed Warren (so HE was the one she killed, not Tara). Then she went after the other two, and when Buffy and the gang tried to stop her, she attacked them too. Eventually she decided the only thing to do was put the whole world out of its misery. However, as she was beginning the world-destroying ritual, Xander found her, told her that he loved her, and by appealing to her better nature, made her snap out of it. World saved. Meanwhile, Spike was unable to get over his love for Buffy. About the time Warren was getting his super-power, Spike confronted Buffy, lost his temper, and tried to rape her. After she fought him off, Spike was confused by his feelings -- should he love Buffy? should he feel guilty about hurting her, being a vamp and all? how much had he changed -- and decided to split town. He went to a powerful demon in Africa, for reasons not revealed to the audience, and after passing numerous brutal challenges was finally rewarded by ... having his soul returned. Apparently he was hoping this would make him someone Buffy could love, but getting your soul back is harder than he realized. (He should have listened to Angel!) Of course this is just the very short version of the last four episodes. Season 6 isn't in reruns yet, but you can read the scripts here: > But -what- did they do to Dawn's hair color? And I noticed she used a Mac. Oh yes! For the past few seasons pretty much EVERY computer shown on Buffy and Angel has been a Mac. So, despite the vampires and demons, in some ways the Buffyverse is better than the real world.... - --Chris Willow first tortured then killed Warren. She inserted a bullet slowly through him, then got bored and flayed him. That's why the flayed body immediately made Xander and Buffy suspicious that Willow hadn't really "recovered" from the dark magics. Plus, a little karmic balance that she was skinned in this epi. Sumi nr: various general-reader-level histories of Ancient Egypt ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:05:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Egyptian cream a la mode On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Michael R Godwin wrote: > > IMO the Left Banke were a pretty awesome band. Kinda art rock--I read > > that "Pretty Ballerina" was in some weird scale, not Mixolidian, but > > another that had a Greek name. So they did that, but could be a bit > > punk too, like early Zombies. And "Walk Away Renee" was their worst. > > The basic idea of these modes is that you start with the major scale in C, > all white notes - this is the Ionian mode. The next mode along starts on > D, but still plays all white notes: this is Dorian, then Phrygian (E), > Lydian (F), Mixolydian (G), Aeolian (A) and Locrian (B). So you never use > the black notes at all. Plato gets in a frenzy about this and says that > some of them are decadent and ought to be banned - not sure why. First: I forget who said "Walk Away Renee" was their worst (hey - missing comma!), but yeesh, I gotta disagree. Anyway, back to the modes: they don't *have* to be all on the "white" notes, but conceiving of them that way is a good heuristic. What results is a different sequence of half-step (H) or whole-step (W) intervals which can be transposed to any key (or more accurately, root) you'd like. So "F phrygian" would refer to a phrygian scale pattern (H W W W H W W H to the same note again) beginning on F. (It would be an octave beginning on F in the D-flat major scale...) I think the reason Plato got his toga in a bunch about different modes is probably historically lost to us - perhaps cultural associations with the names, shared with the cultures they're named after - but certainly the modes have different feelings. I suppose a musicologist could start pointing to the way chords on different scale degrees work together (for example, locrian is unique in that its fifth degree is *not* a perfect fifth above the root - and the perfect fifth is a highly consonant interval - so that it's rather unstable sounding. Anyway, "Pretty Ballerina" is actually kind of mixed, modally - if it's properly regarded as modal at all. I'll pretend it's in C to describe this more easily, but during the verse, the bass alternates between a C and an F (the fourth degree of the scale), a typical pattern - but the melodic line incorporates a *raised* fourth (F# - on the last three notes of the main phrase), which would clash strongly with that F if they were sounded simultaneously. I dont' think they ever sound directly together, but they're very close, about half a beat away. Oh - and another wrinkle: that scale I talked about is really a mixolydian scale (one of the most common in rock, w/a flatted seventh), so the second note of the melodic line would be not a B but a B flat. That B flat is why the chorus (which doesn't really sound like a chorus, since its words are different most times: "was I surprised, yeah / was I surprised? no not at all" is the most common, I think) starts on G minor (presuming, again, the thing's in C, which I don't think it is). Then there's that weird chromatic dealy leading into the oboe solo, which is over completely different chords from the rest of the song. A very interesting song... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::[clever or pithy quote]:: __[source of quote]__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:22:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Feg pelf On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Golden Hind wrote: > >Imagining the empty > shops filled with strange installations or art happenings. I misread this the first time: perhaps influenced by the person who's putting together a "Ghost Ship" CD for a Halloween party, I read "imagining the empty ships filled with strange installations or art happenings" - and I thought, what a great idea! Put "strange installations or art happenings" on old ships drifting on the sea, for people to come upon unexpectedly... (Okay, we'd have to rig the ships in some way to prevent their sinking and turning into ecological disasters...but still.) Misreading (or mishearing) can be very useful: I forget the original, but one time I misread something or other as "skull piano," and I got to thinking about a sort of science-fictional, art thingy involving genetically bred organic pianos, or things built to look like such, left to rot and decay in curious locales, jungles, ice floes, deserts, generally elementally extreme environments... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Watson! Something's afoot...and it's on the end of my leg:: __Hemlock Stones__ np: Antenna _Hideout_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:39:04 -0400 From: "*FS Thomas*" Subject: For Your Endurement: Caught the Chameleons on Friday at South Paw in Brooklyn and again on Saturday at Maxwell's. Excellent shows, I must say, with the winner I think being the Friday show at the South Paw. Photos: http://www.ochremedia.com/photos/omPhoto.php4?pg=chameleons.php4 The recording of Friday will be ready shortly. Also caught Cinerama at Maxwell's last night. Another good show with more Wedding Present material worming its way into the set. The new album is a bit ballad-prone, but as they've dropped their keyboardist they now defer to Simon, the guitarist for all those bits and he, I must say, just rocks. (And *that* one's a soundboard). - -ferris. F S Thomas ferris@ochremedia.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #320 ********************************