From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #319 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, October 9 2002 Volume 11 : Number 319 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alexei [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Bothering Barrett [Stewart Russell ] Re: feglit [Stewart Russell ] Re: bothering barrett ["Brian Hoare" ] Re: Bothering Barrett [Michael R Godwin ] Hitchcock solo ["Marc Holden" ] Re: creativity [Aaron Mandel ] feglit: 90% me, 5% Robyn, 5% insect parts ["ross taylor" ] got to move on sometime [drew ] Re: creativity [gSs ] Re: creativity [Stewart Russell ] Re: #318 [Eb ] Tintern Abbey news ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] the Charleston, as in the dance? [Jill Brand ] hm, now HERE is a milestone [Eb ] Sudden Town [Tom Clark ] Re: hm, now HERE is a milestone [Ken Weingold ] Re: hm, now HERE is a milestone [rosso@videotron.ca] Re: hm, now HERE is a milestone [steve ] Re: charlstoning ghouls [Michael R Godwin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:01:24 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Alexei On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, gSs wrote: > man, i've received scathing replies just for mentioning that man's name on > this list but funny you should mention him as I was thinking about Alexei > last weekend and was then surprised when I saw the young ones broadcast on > KERA Monday Morning at about 1:00am. it was the demolition episode and > Alexei had a very small part as the landlord. the band was nine below zero > and they sounded pretty good. was this the pilot episode? As far as I remember, Alexei makes an appearance as the landlord in more or less every episode, and actually turns up and sings with a band on one occasion. AFAIK there were no pilot episodes. The first series had more puppet vegetables than the second, otherwise the format remained similar throughout. The book of short stories I'm reading has some funny stuff in it, and some more gory stories as well. According to http://www.faqs.org/faqs/tv/british-comedy/young-ones/part2/ his credits by episode are as follows: Alexei Sayle (The Balowski family) * DEMOLITION: Jerzei Balowski, their Polish landlord. * OIL: Alexei Yuri Balowski, the lead singer of the band. * BORING: Billy Balovski, Jerzei's clinically insane brother, who drove in from Brazil to imitate a Dalek using a cactus pot. * BOMB: Reggie Balowski, the Cockney arms dealer. * INTERESTING: drunk party-goer who pukes all over a posh person. * FLOOD: Jerzei (the landlord), who turns into an axe-wielding homicidal maniac. * BAMBI: A train driver * CASH: A police officer who looks remarkably similar to Mussolini and becomes a stand-up comedian at nights * NASTY: A South African Communist vampire - or is he ? * TIME: Host of "Jester Balowski's Medieval Torture Hour" * SICK: Brian Damage Balowski, an escaped murderer * SUMMER HOLIDAY: Jerzei Balowski, the dreaded landlord. - - MRG PS During the 70s I used to play a character called Brian Damage in a band. I bet he stole that name from me! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 10:12:31 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Bothering Barrett Michael R Godwin wrote: > > I would be very interested in details of these other covers. Nicolai Dunger (yes, really) does an execrable cover of "Late Night". He's totally fucked up that beautiful song for me for ever. Stewart (Velocity Of Sound is out today!!!!!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 10:16:23 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: feglit Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > Is there a link for this online? I googled but came up empty. I thought I'd posted that offlist, but you can find it in http://www.theglobeandmail.com if you search for "Kricfalusi" -- the URL it's at is longer than this article. Shame it misses out the picture of JohnK, who looks like he drew himself. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 14:41:02 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: Re: bothering barrett >From: Michael R Godwin >Subject: Re: Bothering Barrett > >Robyn Hitchcock, the extremely fussy songwriter, is obviously crazy about >the solo albums and frequently performs songs such as 'Dominoes', 'Gigolo >Aunt' and 'Wolfpack', whereas the only song he ever plays from 'Piper' is >'Astronomy Domine'. > >(I bet I'm wrong there, can any completists prove it?) Not from Piper, but just today I downloaded an audio mpeg of him doing Arnold Layne. Haven't played it yet but I suspect it is as advertised. And the article annoyed me. I read it on sunday as we actually bought the paper, a rare thing. The dismissing of the solo stuff was unjustified and it struck me that he had used the "I went to visit Syd and he wasn't interested" non story as an excuse to roll out the old stories/legends. The documentary (last year?) was more illuminating. Brian. PS Reading: Not much at the moment, re-reading the Kalevala with Sarah and reading/playing from Fred Noad's Renaissance Guitar and Baraque Guitar, a collection of Sor's etudes and lessons and Peter Nuttall's Twelve Inventions. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:00:23 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Bothering Barrett On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Stewart Russell wrote: > Nicolai Dunger (yes, really) does an execrable cover of "Late Night". > He's totally fucked up that beautiful song for me for ever. Any relation of Hungerdunger, Hungerdunger, Hungerdunger and McCormack? in re yours of the first ult - - Jeffrey Spaulding (Capt.) (Yes, the other thing I've been reading is Simon Louvish's book on Leonard, Adolph, Julius, Milton and Herbert) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:06:25 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Hitchcock solo It looks like Robyn is already booking more solo shows. He'll be in Paris November 20th. Marc http://www.anythingmatters.com/index1.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:19:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: creativity On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, gSs wrote: > it was the demolition episode and Alexei had a very small part as the > landlord. the band was nine below zero and they sounded pretty good. was > this the pilot episode? Yes, it was -- the apartment's laid out differently, IIRC, and Mike's character is more 'quirky'. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 12:40:20 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: feglit: 90% me, 5% Robyn, 5% insect parts Since feglit is back, I will scurry in with a poem I have out in the current Virginia Quarterly Review which has an epigraph by Robyn, taken from the song which inspired it. It's mostly a bummer poem about my late sister, but it's short & hardly anyone ever sees these magazines, so I'll post the whole thing. The title refers to "the first cut is the deepest," which in my mind is a Cat Stevens reference, but is also just a phrase. I'm well aware that "Never Stop Bleeding" is the 4th cut on side 2. THE 1ST CUT "I'm sorry for the future and I'm sorry for the past" --Robyn Hitchcock & the Egyptians Just how deep does it go, anyway? And how far back? The files are no longer indexed, but still on disk, we haven't written over them yet. Or with every overwrite we write the same damn thing. I put a knife in my pocket really because I had eaten with it and wanted to throw away the paper bag. You moonlight for the Forest Service, so you needed your axe but it was much harder to conceal. And of course making up an ending won't help. Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 10:10:21 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Hersh fan shimmies up to the podium; Kimberly vs. Robyn >>(also, the only major band I can think of whose two guitarists >>have women's names but are not women). Too bad Helmet didn't have another guy on guitar named "Cindy" to go with their "Page". Still wouldn't have made me like them... ________________ Michael W. >> It must be a lonely, smug life being a Kristin Hersh fan. Hmmm. It isn't for me. Kind of a cruel shot, actually, to take at a whole group of fans. I'm sure many a Billy Bragg or Grant Lee Phillips fan had the same thing to say about the Robyn fans who bailed on their respective sets on tour. Let's not pretend there weren't a few. Some Hersh fans are leftover goths, sure. Even they are free to show up, shimmy, and leave when they wanna. But at heart KH, like RH, is such an idiosyncratic and uncategorizable artist that her real core fan demographic is impossible to pin down. Like Mr. With 2 FF's says: >>for someone to whom this stuff >>comes seemingly unbidden (and we were just talking about two others: >>Kristin Hersh and Tori Amos), it seems indelicate and out of place to mess >>with it too much: it's not really theirs to alter. ...and the fans of artists like that are going to consume and internalize "that kind" of music/art in very individual ways. You'll notice the "shimmiers" at KH shows the same way you notice the Robert Smith lookalikes at a Cure show and the hippies at a Neil Young show, but you'll find a wide profile of folks enjoy the music of those artists, and find them emotionally useful in a variety of ways. Judge not, say I. By the way, one of the few Robyn fans I know from offlist is also one of the most intolerable assholes I've ever met (not you, Blatzman, if you're still lurking). ___________________ >>if Robyn's next album is him humming >>old sea chanties to the accompaniment of twenty-five distorted accordions, >>I may not want to hear it Not only would I want to hear it, I want him to release it before Halloween. _______________ Michael Godwin: >>The one thing that worries me about the Soft Boys is that it is >>exclusively a vehicle for Robyn Hitchcock's songs and preferences. I don't >>see why he can't accord Kimberley some kind of George Harrison status to >>include one or two songs per album. Interesting thought, but it would be inconsistent with the initial MO of the Soft Boys. Sometimes this happens-- the dB's ended up being actually led by relative latecomer Peter Holsapple-- but usually when a band reunites the songwriting ratio stays about the same as it did at first. I would be confused by a Throwing Muses reunion record half-written by Tanya Donnelly, or a Dinosaur Jr. reunion album with a lot of Lou Barlow tunes, or a Velvets record mostly helmed by Cale. Capable songwriters all, but they've definitely carved out their own niches under different "brand names" (more brand names than one can keep track of in Barlow's case!). >>It's not as if Kim were incapable, >>he's written three hit singles*, which is three more than Robyn Hitchcock. Question: on the basis of the single of "Sunshine" and "Liverpool" alone, has Kim sold more, er, "units" than Robyn? I imagine with all the use in commercials etc. it's probably brought in more cold hard royalties than Robyn's hold catalog. Just idle speculation. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 13:24:46 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: charlstoning ghouls Kay-- >For me, Ive always connected ghouls to guilt I feel that too, but it may be just because I like "Eerie Green Storm Lantern" so much. "boys and ghouls?" I knew someone who went to the Columbus School for Girls & hated it & refered to the Columbus School for Ghouls. Ghouls seem like very low-level kinds of creeps, just dead guys w/ enuf energy to get up and eat other corpses who aren't as energetic. But we're not talking lots of energy. So, as scavengers, they go well with failure. Or parasitism, but without the cleverness or style of vampires. And werewolves are a lot fiercer. Werewolves are my image of pure hunger or pure anger, why I liked "The Howling." I often think of the things on Buffy as vampires that have a lot of ghoul blood in the family, at least the ones she kills for practice. (And I think evil aliens often suggest pure madness.) But in "Sudden Town" the ghouls sing sha la la so nicely they seem different. I wonder if they are the audience? - --- MRG-- >> My vote goes out for "Lazy Day" by the Left Banke for most Charlstoned >> song of the 60s, tho "Cool, Calm, Collected" would be close. >* Don't know any of this stuff. We only had one Left Banke record in the >UK, 'Pretty Ballerina', and I don't think anybody bought it. You know "Cool, Calm, Collected," the last song on side one of "Between the Buttons." IMO the Left Banke were a pretty awesome band. Kinda art rock--I read that "Pretty Ballerina" was in some weird scale, not Mixolidian, but another that had a Greek name. So they did that, but could be a bit punk too, like early Zombies. And "Walk Away Renee" was their worst. - --- One of my favorite songs for kids was "The Baby Tree" off Blows Against the Empire. Also Smothers Brothers records, with lots of high/low funny voices: When John Henry was a little baby sittin on his pappy's knee he picked up a little piece of steel and said ooo guh guh mo-ee-ee WHAT?? Well ... I mean a little baby, he's not gonna be able to talk you know ... LET'S JUST DO THE SONG. OK, let's start again, here we go ... When John Henry was a little baby sitting on his pappy's knee his pappy picked him up and put him on the floor said 'THIS BABY's WET ON ME!' (Maybe that's better for 3-4 year olds.) Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 10:44:23 -0700 From: drew Subject: got to move on sometime The more I think about the Hersh / Amos comparison the more appropriate it seems to me. Both tend to write songs with somewhat obscure meanings, both have funny physical elements of their performance, and both have eccentric ways of talking about their songs (Tori's are her little friends and Kristin's are supposedly channeled and not written). I enjoy Tori's songs a lot more in general, but I do find her manner more annoying... she seems to take herself pretty seriously, whereas Kristin seems to take herself less seriously than her fans do. >From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) > >but surely that's what creativity is! The complete inability not to do >something like this. Creativity is being mentally driven to be creative. Oh, not this old chestnut again. I don't believe the "uncontrollable compulsion to create" definition at all. I believe creativity is a state of mind that anyone can achieve or avoid, and that some people find it easy to fall into (like a trance) and others work at. I don't feel that I'm "mentally driven to be creative"; creativity is a place I like to be, and a place, by all accounts, where I appear to belong. >The total inability to concentrate on what you're doing because >the outline of a story plot is bouncing around your head - or because its >characters keep on acting out their roles while you're trying to work. I also don't believe in the old "ooh, my characters are speaking to me and they're doing things I didn't expect! I'm just over here taking it all down like dictation!" thing writers like to say. The experience for me is that certain directions begin to seem natural, speech patterns flow more freely when you know your characters, but I never feel like an observer. Maybe I'd feel differently if I'd ever had the stenographer experience, but I suspect it's like mystical experiences in that there's no way the haves and the haven'ts will ever see eye to eye. Perhaps I'm fortunate that my work is somewhat creative and I never find it invaded by stray story plots. That might change once I start NaNoWriMo again. >The inability to enjoy a movie because you keep seeing ways that you would >have improved on the cinematography, the dialogue, to set design. Yeah, this one definitely happens to me all the time. Fortunately it doesn't inhibit my enjoyment of the movie (which either sucks or doesn't suck, regardless of whether it could have been improved). But all these forms of "creativity" you're talking about (with the exception of the businesses one) are related to art. That's the most visible form of applied creativity, not creativity itself. >And these things almost inevitably lead to a feeling of loneliness at the >core. The feeling that you're alone with these soprts of feelings, and that >they separate you from other people around you who might not be constantly >caught in a creative whirlwind. I'm pretty sure that a lot of people who >feel they cannot escape their creative urges have this feeling. Well, maybe those who feel they cannot escape, but I don't have that kind of relationship with my creativity, as I've said, and I find that I feel much more connected to the world and other people when I'm feeling creative. >From: Michael R Godwin > >* "Walking on Sunshine" and "Love Shine a Light" by Katrina and the Waves, >"Going down to Liverpool to do nothing" by the Bangles. Heard WoS on the >radio last week and it still sounded fine. I'm sure I've said this before, and I probably shouldn't bother saying it again, but I've always despised "Walking on Sunshine" and can't convince myself to like it any more now that I know it was written by one of my favorite guitarists. Maybe I would like it better performed by the composer. "Going Down To Liverpool" is splendid, though. >From: gSs >I saw the young ones broadcast on >KERA Monday Morning at about 1:00am. it was the demolition episode and >Alexei had a very small part as the landlord. the band was nine below zero >and they sounded pretty good. was this the pilot episode? Yep. Alexei makes a similar cameo in all of the episodes and is a hell of a lot of fun. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:47:32 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: creativity On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Aaron Mandel wrote: > Yes, it was -- the apartment's laid out differently, IIRC, and Mike's > character is more 'quirky'. and even smaller? did the actor change? gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 14:15:05 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: creativity gSs wrote: > > and even smaller? did the actor change? nope, it was always Christopher Ryan -- that's one of the few things that "The Young Ones FAQ" actually gets right. I mean, the bit about all the actors who got their start in TYO is nonsense. I mean, how did a show made in 1982 and 1984 start: * Robbie Coltrane (first TV appearance 1972, or 1980 "Flash Gordon") * Lenny Henry (New Faces, 1975) * Griff Rhys Jones (NTNON, 1979) * Mel Smith (notably NTNON, 1979) ? Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:10:44 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: #318 >From: "Rex.Broome" > > >>I just checked the Rhino website, and it indicates all >>>the Hitchcock reissues are out of print except I Often Dream of Trains > >Begs the question: why that one? Did that somehow become the most in-demand >of the reissues? Friend-to-friend recommendations? I suspect it will also go out of print, soon enough. As for why Trains is the sole survivor, well, it *is* his best solo album, right? ;) >* "Walking on Sunshine" and "Love Shine a Light" by Katrina and the Waves, >"Going down to Liverpool to do nothing" by the Bangles. Heard WoS on the >radio last week and it still sounded fine. Yeah, but can you imagine *Robyn* singing those songs? I don't think that would work at all. Saw an excellent Super Furry Animals show, last night. I was surprised at the extravagant video projections...I wasn't expecting that. And some of the pre-taped techno tracks really BOOMED...the music's vibrations were making the legs of my pants tremor! The Palace has better sound than many of my typical venues, and I really felt the difference. I think the SFAs could be much more popular than they are, but there's one big stumbling block: the lack of charisma/personality in the lyrics and singing. The guy just doesn't have one of those voices which grabs you and brings you into his world, and so I always find myself just digging the melodies/arrangements and ignoring whatever perspective he's trying to establish. This puts a ceiling on how much I can enjoy the band. Actually, the videos are a smart move, because NONE of the band members are much fun to watch as performers. Even if their playing is admirably poised and polished. I believe that I'm seeing Jurassic 5 tomorrow night, which may be the first pure rap show I've ever seen. I've seen rappers on festival bills (mmm...Public Enemy...Body Count...), but I don't know if I've ever gone to a legitimate "rap show" before. Unless you count a casual, outdoor, noon-time show by the Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy at a local college. Years ago. I was on the edge of my seat reading that Syd Barrett article, like it was an (Alfred) Hitchcock film. Eb, wondering what a "pussy-pelmet" is ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:56:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Tintern Abbey news Paul Brett, one of the members of Tintern Abbey, is offering a CD of two unreleased tracks: #25.00p for two songs. If the songs are anywhere as good as "Beeside" or "Vacuum Cleaner" it's worth the price. Has anybody heard these new songs? Mr. Godwin? Does anybody know of a band called Morgen, whose song "Of Dreams" has made the psychedelic compilation rounds? . Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:03:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: the Charleston, as in the dance? Eb wrote: "You have your threads crossed. My above response regarded '60s songs which could fit the *Charleston*, not raga. I have a relevant Kinks tune in my head, but I can't recall the song title. I think it's on Face to Face or Something Else, though...." Do you mean the dance, Eb? The only thing I can imagine doing the Charleston to on either of those albums is Party Line (on Face to Face). It's a bit of a stretch. Well, maybe not. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:27:05 -0700 From: Eb Subject: hm, now HERE is a milestone I may have come across my first problem ever with "CD rot," today. I've been playing some of my years-old CDs over the last day or so, looking for a few to prune. So far, I'm afraid that Eggplant and Dogbowl have fallen under the executioner's axe, but some other acts (Stump, Tubetop, Bandit Queen...) survived. Earlier this afternoon, I pulled out my CDs by the Ordinaires. When I slid the second album One into the computer slot, it had some trouble going in. I had to push/try a little. The CD played fine. But when I tried to *eject* the CD, there were major problems. The CD popped out halfway twice, and then was "swallowed" again. I couldn't get the CD all the way out, except by forcibly pulling on the edge. After I extracted it, I looked at the CD and noted how scuffed it had become by the struggle. I really *haaaaaaate* the unavoidable scratching which these CD "slots" do to discs (bring back the trays!), but this is an extreme case. I also noticed that, as usual, the CD seemed alarmingly hot after its stay in the computer. Furthermore, the non-data side of the CD actually seemed to be a little STICKY. Which is undoubtedly what caused the ejection problem. The damage couldn't have been done totally by the computer's heat, since I had extra problems *loading* the disc as well as ejecting it. So, I guess the CD has experienced some legitimate deterioration. It's worth noting that the disc is essentially "undecorated" on the back side, and is just naked silver with an "Ordinaires" logo around the edge. Discs with an embossed layer of artwork are more durable, I gather.... I guess I'll avoid playing silver-on-both-sides CDs in the computer, from now on? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 14:52:05 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Sudden Town Just had to log a fave line so I remember it: Heaven will pelt you with energy While you cripple yourself with a moment's heartbreak Cool. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:06:04 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: hm, now HERE is a milestone On Tue, Oct 8, 2002, Eb wrote: > After I extracted it, I looked at the CD and noted how scuffed it had > become by the struggle. I really *haaaaaaate* the unavoidable > scratching which these CD "slots" do to discs (bring back the > trays!), but this is an extreme case. I also noticed that, as usual, > the CD seemed alarmingly hot after its stay in the computer. > Furthermore, the non-data side of the CD actually seemed to be a > little STICKY. Which is undoubtedly what caused the ejection problem. Premature ejection? - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 00:09:29 -0400 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: hm, now HERE is a milestone On 8 Oct 2002 at 14:27, Eb wrote: > Earlier this afternoon, I pulled out my CDs by the Ordinaires. When I > slid the second album One into the computer slot, it had some trouble > going in. I had to push/try a little. One was released in '89. My copy of "Here It Is The Music", the Ryko comp, is from '88 and it's like new. Do you think the CD could have been subject to unusual storage conditions? Think back on those parties.... I keep mine in poly sleeves, which would make some recoil in horror. I also write on CDs with markers (first water-soluble only, now oil) to no ill effect. I've found CDs to be tougher than many first predicted. > The CD played fine. But when I > tried to *eject* the CD, there were major problems. The CD popped out > halfway twice, and then was "swallowed" again. I couldn't get the CD > all the way out, except by forcibly pulling on the edge. I wonder if it's the drive's fault. > After I extracted it, I looked at the CD and noted how scuffed it had > become by the struggle. I really *haaaaaaate* the unavoidable > scratching which these CD "slots" do to discs (bring back the > trays!) Wrong opinion. Apple knows what you need, and it's slots. > but this is an extreme case. I also noticed that, as usual, > the CD seemed alarmingly hot after its stay in the computer. Hmmm. Bad airflow. Mine come out of the boring beige box at room temperature. That's not a lie. > Furthermore, the non-data side of the CD actually seemed to be a > little STICKY. Which is undoubtedly what caused the ejection problem. The drive *slimed* the CD? Weird. Is the foil coating on the non-playable side damaged? If not, your problem may only be scratches, which you should be able to remove with a finger, some kids' toothpaste and some patience. I've saved more than one CD this way. Maybe what went into your drive a bit before "One" was the culprit. Maybe a CD with a gummed paper label? Can you open your machine up and have a look at the CD drive? > The damage couldn't have been done totally by the computer's heat, > since I had extra problems *loading* the disc as well as ejecting it. If the foil backing is damaged I'd be inclined to think it happened on insertion. > So, I guess the CD has experienced some legitimate deterioration. > It's worth noting that the disc is essentially "undecorated" on the > back side, and is just naked silver with an "Ordinaires" logo around > the edge. Discs with an embossed layer of artwork are more durable, I > gather.... That makes sense, because anything on top of the foil is going to protect it a bit. Hold the disc up to the light, and if you can see spots where the light shines through brightly, there's foil damage. > I guess I'll avoid playing silver-on-both-sides CDs in the computer, > from now on? From what I've heard I wouldn't come to that conclusion. I guess I don't know any more than anybody else here, though. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 00:10:11 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: hm, now HERE is a milestone On Tuesday, October 8, 2002, at 11:09 PM, rosso@videotron.ca wrote: > Wrong opinion. Apple knows what you need, and it's slots. I think the only Apple product that currently uses a slot loading drive is the PowerBook. But if you've got a disc that's starting to go bad, it's the last kind of drive you'd want to use. - - Steve __________ Bushlexia - A combination of dyslexia, attention deficit disorder, apraxia, illiteracy, ignorance, laziness, passive-aggressiveness, inappropriate humor, and an arrogant attitude of privilege. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 12:14:19 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: charlstoning ghouls On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, ross taylor wrote: > You know "Cool, Calm, Collected," the last song on side one of > "Between the Buttons." Erm, I'm afraid that BtB is my least favourite Stones album (recent unlistened-to material excluded). The only tracks I can hum along to are "Who wants yesterday's papers?" and "Back Street Girl", which I think they performed on the radio quite a bit. Oh, and looking at the track listing: I think I remember "She smiled sweetly" - the rest is just a blank. I was amazed at how crappy this record was as a follow-up to "Aftermath", which is still just about my favourite. I even like "Satanic" better than this one. > IMO the Left Banke were a pretty awesome band. Kinda art rock--I read > that "Pretty Ballerina" was in some weird scale, not Mixolidian, but > another that had a Greek name. So they did that, but could be a bit > punk too, like early Zombies. And "Walk Away Renee" was their worst. There are plenty of guitar websites with the strange scales on them, e.g. http://www.banjolin.supanet.com/modesandscales.htm The basic idea of these modes is that you start with the major scale in C, all white notes - this is the Ionian mode. The next mode along starts on D, but still plays all white notes: this is Dorian, then Phrygian (E), Lydian (F), Mixolydian (G), Aeolian (A) and Locrian (B). So you never use the black notes at all. Plato gets in a frenzy about this and says that some of them are decadent and ought to be banned - not sure why. I did know that "Walk away Renee" was originally by the Left Banke, but I had forgotten. The UK hit version was by the Four Tops. - - Mike Godwin PS to Eb: I have never heard the term "pussy pelmet" before, but to me it conjures up a very short, rigid black leather miniskirt, probably worn by Nerys Hughes or Chrissie Shrimpton in mid to late 1966. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #319 ********************************