From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #318 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, October 8 2002 Volume 11 : Number 318 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: feglit [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Yet More Exile Follies... ["The Real Mr. Feg" ] chick / not chick [drew ] Re: #317 [Eb ] Re: chick / not chick [Stewart Russell ] The Sincerity of Shimmying; Prog Noodles ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: feglit [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: feglit ["Rob" ] Atlanta or Athens ["Mike Runion" ] RE: feglit ["Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" ] Re: creativity [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: feg idiom [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] getting to like NDL, of course [Aaron Mandel ] Feglit [The Great Quail ] Catching Up ["Michael Wells" ] Re: creativity [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] eine kleine self-promotional musik [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Bothering Barrett [Michael R Godwin ] Re: creativity [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Bothering Barrett [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: creativity [gSs ] Re: Bothering Barrett [Michael R Godwin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 21:44:17 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: feglit - -- Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey is rumored to have mumbled on Montag, 7. Oktober 2002 13:14 Uhr -0500 regarding Re: feglit: > Me, I'm in the midst of three different books. First, another multi-brick > tome: Harold Bloom's _Shakespeare and the Invention of the Human_, which > gives Bloom, a well regarded and elderly literary critic, the opportunity > to wander through each of Shakin' Willy's plays and divagate thereupon, > frequently throwing in digs at contemporary literary philosophies (as I > said, he's old) - many deserved, some not. A bit repetititititive, and I'm > guessing his academic clout prevented mere editors from culling those > bits, but intriguing in small doses. Made me want to (re)read the plays, > so that's good. I got that as a birthday present, but haven't yet read much of it. I agree with your comments, though, based on what I've read. He does come off as being a bit out of touch ... - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 13:16:44 -0700 From: "The Real Mr. Feg" Subject: Yet More Exile Follies... Thought I'd just add a little noise to the cacophony... I caught up the the trio on the final date of their tour - at the Great American Music Hall in San Francisco. A lovely venue, by the way. ...and what happened to all the Fegs who usually show up at GLP shows, eh? Even Hedblade flaked out on this one! > For our show the order was: 1) all three for one new song, > 2) Kristin solo, 3) Grant solo, 4) John solo, and 5) all > three again for covers. In SF they started with Kristen solo, then Kristen and Grant played together, then Grant solo, then Grant and John, John solo, John and Kristen, and finally all three. > > He seems like the kind of artist I would like, but ... > > I've heard this about Grant before, but to each his own I guess. His > stuff hits me right between the eyes. I first saw Grant on the Elixirs and Remedies tour, and I've been hooked ever since. Unlike the last time I saw him in SF (at Slims: wrong venue for him) he was on stunning form on Saturday, super relaxed, joking around, but giving the songs 110% ...even his diction was clearer than usual (he does have a tendency to slur - nothing to do with the Jagermeister, I think). Just amazing. Interestingly, about half the audience was clearly there to see Kristen ...ONLY (some even got up and left after her opening slot!!). A shame because all three were excellent and the interplay between them definitely made for a fun evening. The Hersh fan in my little group was very impressed by her performance I have to say - and thought that Grant (who he'd never seen before) was merely "good". > I will second this wholeheartedly - John was clearly the best > performer on the night. Really, really strong new songs. It was my fist time seeing Doe and I have to say he was "good". The most musical voice of the night, certainly, (not what I was expecting from an old punk rocker) but less characterful than the other two. I also didn't find his material so compelling - but it was new to me. > I'll have to break with you on that one, Kristin was terribly > underwhelming at our show. I liked her performance in SF a lot - but even better was her between song banter - she's quite the storyteller! > Plus she still does that fabulously annoying > sideways shimmy-thing with her head while singing. I was warned about that in advance ...no sign of it on Saturday though! > > Grant was an amiable and entertaining host, and deserves big credit > > for organizing this weird experiment. > > Seconded. Thirded! I love the idea and thought it worked very well. It's a great way to get introduced to new artists through ones you already like. See, through Robyn I got to hear Grant Lee, now through him I get too know Kristen and John. It's six degrees all over again! I hope we see more tours like this. Favorite line from Kristen: "I was raised by hippies; I've spent my whole life trying not to be groovy.". ~Nick - -- Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -Pablo Picasso ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 13:11:50 -0700 From: drew Subject: chick / not chick My votes are pro Thom Yorke's voice and con Neil Young's, pro Grant Lee Phillips and con Grant Lee Buffalo (though it's a slim difference, and pro Tori Amos's performance quirks (which, though self-conscious, aren't distracting, or at least they weren't last time I saw her) and con Kristin Hersh's (which are just creepy). >From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > >of the SBs' distinctive traits was the guitar interplay between Kimberley >& Robyn (also, the only major band I can think of whose two guitarists >have women's names but are not women). Would Marilyn Manson qualify? Funny the book thread should come up now. I'm currently cranky and dissatisfied with the books I've started (which would include _Gormenghast_, unfortunately) and am casting about in my too- large unread purchases stack for something that makes me feel like reading right now. I have _Fast Food Nation_ in the bathroom, though. That's OK so far. - - Drew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:18:15 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: #317 >From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey >(also, the only major band I can think of whose two guitarists >have women's names but are not women). Ha...cute observation. And no, I can't come up with a counterexample, unless you count Marilyn Manson (I don't). In fact, I can't even think of another male musician with a woman's name at the moment. WOW, am I disappointed with the new Peter Gabriel album. Crushing. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 16:23:23 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: chick / not chick drew wrote: > I have _Fast Food Nation_ in the bathroom, > though. That's OK so far. that's the place to keep it, especially when you read the bit about E. coli O157:H7. Oh, and I can attest to the quality of Conway's "Red Top" burgers in Colorado Springs. They get a mention in the appendix. They're really good. I mean, *really* good. If you like eating a piece of dead cow the size of your head, that is. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:27:32 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: The Sincerity of Shimmying; Prog Noodles Eb: >>Despite the label's righteous tastes, I've always found >>Rhino's "Get in, wring out a few bucks and bail out" attitude really >>troubling -- I bet that I own *50* out-of-print Rhino releases. Oh yeah. Me too... >>I just checked the Rhino website, and it indicates all >>the Hitchcock reissues are out of print except I Often Dream of Trains Begs the question: why that one? Did that somehow become the most in-demand of the reissues? Friend-to-friend recommendations? >>I've expressed before how much Tori Amos' performing style annoys me, and >>that's because she fails so badly to achieve this ambience -- she's *always* >>so self-conscious and audience-aware. Yeah, I feel the same way. This is a rilly rilly subjective thing, apparently, those "idiosyncratic stage mannerisms". Maybe it's all filtered through one's personal belief in the sincerity of the artist in question. I've taken people to see Robyn who have found him irritating in the same way, calling him a "wanna-be acid casualty". And some find Billy Corgan "intense" but seeing Smashing Pumpkins live moved him from the "overrated hack" to the "should be killed" column of my personal overall artist rating. Regarding the pregnancy thing, I've seem Kristin scream her lungs out while on "pregnant with Muses" tours, in '91 and again around '95 or so. I don't hear her voice "deteriorating" m'self, just changing/aging. There are bits on her last LP, esp. "37 Hours" that have the same effect as the wildest bits of "Fish", at least to me. Now, if you wanna talk about the over-compressed treatment her voice has gotten when she self-produces, there is that... __________ Stewart: >>Unless an album has a Prog Advisory label on it (a bit like >>the Explicit lyrics one, but done in pastel colours by Roger Dean), I >>like it to be noodle-free. But I protest mildly... noodling come in non-prog flavors. Prog noodles are like vermicelli. Soft Boys noodling is soba. Neil Young noodling is udon, of course. Lou Reed noodling: fettucine. Verlaine/Lloyd noodling is a strange intertwined mixture of linguine and angel hair... etc... ______________________ Jeffrey FF: Who do you class as "Robyn imitators" who miss the point? Please name names. I can think of artists who have a touch of Robyn in 'em, but fewer who seem to take him as a primary point of departure. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 22:45:33 +0100 From: "Rob" Subject: Bothering Barrett An article about Syd in yesterday's Observer: http://www.observer.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,804928,00.html I found it quite a depressing article, but mostly because the writer felt it necessary to have a visit to Syd's house to top and tail it. Surely the poor man should be left in peace and not have to put up with journalists doorstepping him. Rob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:48:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: feglit On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Stewart Russell wrote: > "Kricfalusi calls it the age of amateurism, and he has given it a lot of > thought. We produce amateurs, he says, because in our society everybody > must be allowed to express their "creativity," or else they will suffer > from poor self-esteem and, Lord help us, we can't have that. Because > everybody is deemed creative, no matter what the quality of their work, > there are no absolute standards of excellence to which to aspire, no > genuine criticism to respond to and not nearly enough training. > Everything is good enough, however shoddy its execution; everything will > serve. Natural talent is still out there, he says, tons of it, but it > tends to be undeveloped and thus one-dimensional." Is there a link for this online? I googled but came up empty. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. ::That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! __Thomas Pynchon, VINELAND__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 22:52:46 +0100 From: "Rob" Subject: Re: feglit On 7 Oct 2002 at 10:02, Stewart Russell wrote: > brief "What's everyone reading?" interlude. > > I'm completely sold on "The Art of Looking Sideways", by Alan Fletcher Which sounds very interesting. I've just finished the new Irvine Welsh and am currently a third of the way into the new Iain Banks. You know, I'm sure that if I looked in the archives I'd find I wrote that last time they had new books out. I do read books by other writers - the books on my soon to be read pile include Peter Carey's True History of the Kelly Gang, a biography of Mercator and a story about the first Englishman in Japan. Rob np : The Coral - The Coral (shades of Barrett, Buckley and Love, pretty impressive debut for a band barely out of their teens) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 18:02:52 -0400 From: "Mike Runion" Subject: Atlanta or Athens Hey all, Anyone going to the Atlanta or Athens SB shows? I'm probably gonna make the run north for at least one of them. It'd be cool to hook up pre-show and all. Email me offline if interested. Also, just got NDL last week (one copy available at my local Circuit City). My take? Great album. I'm very pleased. I was prepared for the worst based on list-chatter, but I really like it. Plus, it goes by really quick, leaving me wanting more. I'll second the opinion of a lot of fegs - it's great to hear Robyn on record backed by a band again. I was considering not going to one of the shows, but now it looks like I have to. Adios, Mike (delurking for a brief time) http://home.palmnet.net/~mrrunion mrrunion@palmnet.net Mike.Runion@jbosc.ksc.nasa.gov ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:01:58 -0700 From: "Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" Subject: RE: feglit > brief "What's everyone reading?" interlude. The End of Baseball as We Knew It: The Players Union 1960-81 by Charles P. Korr. Very readable and I highly recommend it to anyone interested in baseball or trade unionism. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:23:15 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: creativity >Does anyone else get the feeling that for Robyn, "creativity" is almost >like a living substance oozing out of his pores nearly against his will, >such that he's almost *compelled* to write/paint/draw/sing/story-tell >etc.? but surely that's what creativity is! The complete inability not to do something like this. Creativity is being mentally driven to be creative. Waking up in the middle of the night and being unable to go back to sleep because a guitar pattern keeps running over and over in your head, and having to get up to try it out. Keeping a notepad with you at all times to catch those stray lyric ideas or random thoughts, titles, or ideas that you'll pine after if they're lost forever. The total inability to concentrate on what you're doing because the outline of a story plot is bouncing around your head - or because its characters keep on acting out their roles while you're trying to work. The inability to enjoy a movie because you keep seeing ways that you would have improved on the cinematography, the dialogue, to set design. Mentally correcting bad song lyrics you hear over the radio so that they sound more effective. Not being able to enjoy a holiday because you keep on picturing which parts of the scenery can be effectively painted. Spending hours agonising over whether you should throw some piece of junk out because you can see how it could become an important part of an installation. "Window shopping" through junk shops and building recyclers with the same thoughts in mind. "Window shopping" by looking at empty shops and imagining what sorts of businesses would work best there, or which businesses would be most interesting to see there. Imagining the empty shops filled with strange installations or art happenings. And these things almost inevitably lead to a feeling of loneliness at the core. The feeling that you're alone with these soprts of feelings, and that they separate you from other people around you who might not be constantly caught in a creative whirlwind. I'm pretty sure that a lot of people who feel they cannot escape their creative urges have this feeling. I think this is part of the reason I'm attracted to Robyn's music, and similarly to that of B Eno, of J Lennon, of L Reed, of G Downes, of P Townshend, of A Partridge. They all have that feeling, to some extent or another. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:23:22 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: feg idiom > brief "What's everyone reading?" interlude. book on Symbolist painting, simply called "Symbolism". By Michael Gibson (Taschen, 1999, ISBN 3-8228-7030-7). The world encyclopedia of Flags (I kid you not) by Alfred Znamierowski (Lorenz, 1999, ISBN 9-780754-80167-2) Very comprehensive, very informative, but a few appallingly embarrassing mistakes (text ok, but wrong flag pictured). hm. no fiction at present. Well, you did ask. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:19:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: getting to like NDL, of course Like most of the other naysayers, it seems, I've found that NDL got better over time. I really do blame the production -- I mean, with the exception of "Strings" it's not the kind of music that takes long to sink in, in general. The only songs I now don't care for are "I Love Lucy" and "Mind Is Connected", both of which are more unnecessary than bad. "Sudden Town" still seems pretty light, but now that the album no longer feels like mostly filler I can take that. a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 20:21:31 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Feglit My reading list: Umberto Eco's "Baudolino," which I just finished yesterday. I am currently reading "Black Hawk Down," which is extremely depressing, and makes me realize that the movie whitewashed a hell of a lot. I'm also reading a book of E.E. Cummings poems, some Beckett short plays, and on-and-off readings from Stan Hugill's "Shanties from the Seven Seas." My next book will probably be either "Mutiny on the Globe" or Dava Sobel's "Galileo's Daughter," followed by Lowry's "Under the Volcano," Melville's "Omoo," and a Tanith Lee novel. I've also been eyeing Roald Dahl's "Switch Bitch" and Carey's "Observatory Mansions." - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:43:44 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Catching Up Roberta: > Subject: FW: Departure Lounge US tour dates begin today! > Oct 16 Chicago, IL Abbey Pub www.abbeypub.com Cool! I hope to make that show. I see they're opening for the SB's in Georgia...any word on if they're continuing along with, or have other opening acts been announced? Nick at the follies: > Interestingly, about half the audience was clearly there to see Kristen > ...ONLY (some even got up and left after her opening slot!!). We had a number of Muso fans who also made no secret of leaving, which rather annoyed me...and THEY had been doing the sideways head-shimmy thing in audience right along with Kristen, which annoyed me even more (it amused my concert mates to no end, as they narrowly avoided smacking heads). It must be a lonely, smug life being a Kristin Hersh fan. > The Hersh fan in my little group was very impressed by her performance I > have to say - and thought that Grant (who he'd never seen before) was > merely "good". See above. > brief "What's everyone reading?" interlude. Reached an impasse with "American Gods" so I'm paused halfway through. Rampant ennui. Ended up enjoying "Salmon of Doubt" quite a lot, much better than I had expected. Made me miss Mr. Adams even more. For my birthday last week got "The Joy of Pi," "Thanks for Smoking," and "The Twenty-One Balloons" (one of my five favorite childhood books; put it on the wish list as a lark and someone actually got it for me). Still staring at a pile that includes "The Chess Garden," "Ghost Rider," and "Morbo - the Story of Spanish Football" so along with a couple of re-reads it looks like I'm set for awhile. Quail: > My reading list See, now this is the kind of thing that just stirs up trouble. Impeccable list. Michael "Bear down" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:01:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: creativity On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, James Dignan grut: > but surely that's what creativity is! The complete inability not to do > something like this. Creativity is being mentally driven to be creative. > Waking up in the middle of the night and being unable to go back to sleep > because a guitar pattern keeps running over and over in your head, and > having to get up to try it out. Not sure: I've known, and known of, some artists that would agree - but others who would argue that, for them, that sounds like romantic bullshit, that what works instead is simply work, work, work. And some of the folks in the former category produce crap, some brillance; same division for people in the second. > And these things almost inevitably lead to a feeling of loneliness at the > core. The feeling that you're alone with these soprts of feelings, and that > they separate you from other people around you who might not be constantly > caught in a creative whirlwind. I'm pretty sure that a lot of people who > feel they cannot escape their creative urges have this feeling. This makes a lot of sense to me, and it cements the connection I thought was there but couldn't quite articulate. I think, though, that that sense of compulsion I feel in Robyn's work is why criticism that he ought to come up with a new shtick misses the point: it's not a shtick, it's how he expresses himself. And yeah, it can be juggled around and edited...but perhaps for someone to whom this stuff comes seemingly unbidden (and we were just talking about two others: Kristin Hersh and Tori Amos), it seems indelicate and out of place to mess with it too much: it's not really theirs to alter. I don't think that feeling is literally true - but it's functionally true, in that the work may tell the artist more in its unaltered state, or at any rate have a greater need to be said. We're just overhearing - and sometimes that can be compelling, other times off-putting. I'm not one to believe fans own artists, however: if Robyn's next album is him humming old sea chanties to the accompaniment of twenty-five distorted accordions, I may not want to hear it - but I'm not going to be one of those (I think foolish) critics who says, oh, he shouldn't have released that. Maybe he needed to. Maybe what he does next couldn't have happened without it, and without it being made public. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::beliefs are ideas going bald:: __Francis Picabia__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 23:50:05 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: eine kleine self-promotional musik For those of you who keep track of such things (and I know there are a couple of you out there)... the latest update of my website is finally (finally!) online. The url is in the sig below. Enjoy! James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:23:30 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Bothering Barrett Thanks for this, Rob. The writer seems to be pretty well informed about the events of 1967, but the dismissal of Syd's two solo albums as "Though the money from Piper came rolling in, Barrett's work went completely to pot. Jenner took him into the Abbey Road studios several times between May and July 1968, bringing various musicians and musical friends to help out, but achieved next to nothing" strikes me as outrageous. Robyn Hitchcock, the extremely fussy songwriter, is obviously crazy about the solo albums and frequently performs songs such as 'Dominoes', 'Gigolo Aunt' and 'Wolfpack', whereas the only song he ever plays from 'Piper' is 'Astronomy Domine'. (I bet I'm wrong there, can any completists prove it?) - - Mike Godwin On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Rob wrote: > An article about Syd in yesterday's Observer: > > http://www.observer.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,804928,00.html > > I found it quite a depressing article, but mostly because the writer > felt it necessary to have a visit to Syd's house to top and tail it. > Surely the poor man should be left in peace and not have to put up > with journalists doorstepping him. > > Rob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:12:53 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: creativity The one thing that worries me about the Soft Boys is that it is exclusively a vehicle for Robyn Hitchcock's songs and preferences. I don't see why he can't accord Kimberley some kind of George Harrison status to include one or two songs per album. It's not as if Kim were incapable, he's written three hit singles*, which is three more than Robyn Hitchcock. * "Walking on Sunshine" and "Love Shine a Light" by Katrina and the Waves, "Going down to Liverpool to do nothing" by the Bangles. Heard WoS on the radio last week and it still sounded fine. V interesting article on K+tW at including remarks by Kim on RH and Tap-like account of touring US bases ... - - Mike Godwin PS On the book front, I've been reading some Alexei Sayle short stories, a good novel about Kensington in the 50s by Muriel Spark, and a bio of Claudius (not the RG novel) in which all the coin photographs and captions are hopelessly shuffled ... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 08:09:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Bothering Barrett On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Michael R Godwin wrote: > Thanks for this, Rob. The writer seems to be pretty well informed about > the events of 1967, but the dismissal of Syd's two solo albums as "Though > the money from Piper came rolling in, Barrett's work went completely to > pot. Jenner took him into the Abbey Road studios several times between May > and July 1968, bringing various musicians and musical friends to help out, > but achieved next to nothing" strikes me as outrageous. I'd agree. There are some lovely moments on those solo albums. I'm a bit dubious about the decision to keep the rather painful false starts to "Feel" - a bit much in the "here's the spontaneous outpourings of a tortured musicians" sweepstakes - but there are some solid songs there. Actually, lots of folks have covered songs from those albums. I'm sure part of it is hipness - it's way cooler to cover a Syd solo song than a Syd Pink Floyd song - but "Late Night" has several covers, "No Good Trying" too. And there are two albums of covers consisting almost entirely of Syd solo songs: _Beyond the Wildwood_ and the soundtrack to the indie film _Fuck Your Dreams, This Is Heaven_. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::part of your circuit of incompetence:: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 08:43:27 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: creativity On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Michael R Godwin wrote: > PS On the book front, I've been reading some Alexei Sayle short stories, man, i've received scathing replies just for mentioning that man's name on this list but funny you should mention him as I was thinking about Alexei last weekend and was then surprised when I saw the young ones broadcast on KERA Monday Morning at about 1:00am. it was the demolition episode and Alexei had a very small part as the landlord. the band was nine below zero and they sounded pretty good. was this the pilot episode? gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:51:04 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Bothering Barrett On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > There are some lovely moments on those solo albums. I'm a bit dubious > about the decision to keep the rather painful false starts to "Feel" - > a bit much in the "here's the spontaneous outpourings of a tortured > musicians" sweepstakes - but there are some solid songs there. Yes. It's very noticeable that the new compilation (the one with 'Bob Dylan Blues' on it) uses a different take, on which the "won't you miss me, wouldn't you miss me at all" bit isn't such an obvious cock up. > Actually, lots of folks have covered songs from those albums. I'm sure > part of it is hipness - it's way cooler to cover a Syd solo song than a > Syd Pink Floyd song - but "Late Night" has several covers, "No Good > Trying" too. And there are two albums of covers consisting almost entirely > of Syd solo songs: _Beyond the Wildwood_ and the soundtrack to the indie > film _Fuck Your Dreams, This Is Heaven_. I've got "Wildwood" and I love the Mock Turtles version of "No good trying", but I would be very interested in details of these other covers. - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #318 ********************************