From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #316 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, October 6 2002 Volume 11 : Number 316 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Baby's First Plague Ballad [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: so many threads, so little time [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Charleston, Canadians, Ghosts, Rain, Lack Thereof ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Exile Follies mini-review ["Michael Wells" ] or not to be ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re: Captain, My Captain [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Random NDL song notes. [Jeff Dwarf ] You know its going to be alright ["Golden Hind" ] The New Age [barbara soutar ] Chicago Fegfest ["Michael Wells" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 10:57:55 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Baby's First Plague Ballad >Favorites throughout that time have included "The Little Black Egg" by the >Nightcrawlers, "Return of the Grievous Angel" by Gram Parsons, "Visions of >Johanna" aka "Visions of Miranda", "Medley: Divine Hammer/As Tears Go By", >lots of Robyn, lots of Kristin Hersh, lots of Neil Young, lots of old >country and folk tunes I got from my dad, and, umm, "Ell Ess Too" by >Pavement, "What Goes On" by the Velvets ("Baby be good, do what ya should"), >"At 4AM" by Tom Verlaine (she was born at exactly 4AM), "Pink Moon", a >Kingston Trio-esque version of "When I Grown Up" by Garbage, some Lucinda >Williams and some Vic Chesnutt, and an intense medley of every Johnny Cash >song I can think of which can go on for quite some time... > >In short, and obviously, not "kids' songs". I figure she'll hear plenty of >those. This is mostly singer-songwriterly stuff and I guess it's all about >my hope that she'll develop a sense of love for language and all of that. >But also it's the only kind of stuff I'm half-qualified to sing, really. >Plus I grew up with some pretty messed-up non-kiddie tunes from my own dad, >and I turned out okay (???)... and look at the words to some traditional >kids's songs sometime... I mean, just because it's coded, is "Ring Around >the Rosie" any less harrowing than "Lady Waters", which at least ends well? >A plague song is a plague song, say I... you want a good album of kid's songs? Paul McCartney accidentally created one with "London Town". James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 10:58:13 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: so many threads, so little time >(Did I say that I remember my grandfather telling me that his >grandmother remembered the Stewarts of Appin leaving for Stewart Island, >NZ?) ISTR you did at one point, yup. Stewart Island - aka the back of beyond. Heaven for trampers - it's almnost 100% temperate (read: cold) rain forest. 600 square miles, one person per square mile. 95% of it is National Park. I can remember recently when they were building the island's new tourist complex - during construction it was simply referred to as "Club Mud". Talking of the middle of nowhere, Alice recently discovered that one strand of her ancestors hailed from Applecross - the Scottish equivalent of the back of beyond. James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 17:06:20 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Charleston, Canadians, Ghosts, Rain, Lack Thereof Jeffrey FF: >>ROOTMSHBM&TV, kidneys in the body... Took a little work, that one, but ultimately rewarding!! _______________ Broome, then Broome: >>>the new-wavey bassline >>Oh man. If you only knew how much trouble that description got *me* in.... Well, if Matthew's lurking, I guess the Broomes can count themselves crossed off the Seligman Christmas card list. Damn. I really like his playing, really I do! >>Seems like there's gotta be a Kinks song which is a strong contender in this category (raga) I think I mentioned "See My Friends" when starting this thread... that's probably the one you need. ________ James: >>anyone who bought the remastered Byrds CDs and went "oooooo!" when they >>heard the sound quality! Yes, that's true. But the original CD's were SO bad... like all those hack-job, white-spine-with-red-letters Columbia dealies. I mean, the spine for "Notorious Byrds Brothers" was even printed upside down relative to the others on those original issues. One of the first CD's I ever bought, one of my favorite albums ever, and yet... ugh. And that's still "state of the art" for Dylan on CD. I mean, he's just Dylan, and it's just "Blonde on Blonde", that's all. By the way, the Charleston-osity of "Why" differs depending on which version you listen to. On the single version, where the vocals come in at the head of the song and the bassline doesn't follow the chopping chords (and is in fact really quite insane), you'd never make the connection. The Charleston-osity of "American Girl" is actually second-hand Byrdsosity, but y'all know that. Anyone see "The Cat's Meow"? The Charleston is the solution to any awkward situation in that film. Would probably still hold today if we all had jazz trios to follow us around and break into it on command. >>"Canadians sing like ghosts". That is fantastic. I wonder if Canadians write from the perspective dead more often as a people. Kinda seems like it. Because of all the space? Like there's more room for the dead up there? "Shelter me from the poweder and the finger..." Thanks to da9ve for the Rheo's information. Definitely intriguing, Neal Peart guest shot aside (unlike others in these parts I'm definitely *not* a Rush enthusiast). I can deal, though. Canadians stick together. I mean, even liking Canadian *comedy* means you might get involuntarily exposed to Geddy Lee, so whatcha gonna do? ____________ Jason & Terrence: Take care. Funny things happen to 25-year-olds on the list. ____________ Drew: >>_Wow_. The chorus to Mr. Kennedy seems to me the weakest >>and most disappointing thing about it. Now here's something interesting. There's not really much to that chorus; I like it a lot and you don't... must say more about you and me than the song, although what I dunno. It has been really damned hot in So Cal and it actually rained and cooled things down on the same day NDL arrived at my house, both incidents improving my life noticeably. Probably related; it was, unusually, raining outside the first time I heard that chorus, and it made me smile really goofily. Also reminds me of other great Robyn rain imagery-- "The President", "Raining Twilight Coast" etc. (although, perhaps ironically, not "The Rain".) Whenever it rains, I sing "Rain" (the Beatles tune, that is), and then I ask my wife if she thinks I would get over the need to do that if it rained more often, and she says yeah, I would. Then it doesn't rain for a long time, and when it finally does, the whole thing happens all over again. - -Rex PS: my daughter has in fact seen, and indeed even heard music emanating from, vinyl LP's. And 45's, even. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 22:23:30 -0400 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: WJC On 4 Oct 2002 at 13:18, Michael R Godwin wrote: > Shades of Primary Colors: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2294147.stm "It's good to taste a bit of American food. I've not eaten all day and I'm starving." Surely paraphrased and not quoted, especially the "cor blimey" part. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 20:32:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Captain, My Captain Loving _NDL_. I like the mixes, and love the "sinewy" bass parts on it. My KICKING 96 Plymouth NEON Speakers know how to pump them out ;-) I was listening to a pre-release of the new Pearl Jam album and it hit me.... why the songs, all of a sudden, about Captains? We have SB and now PJ with "Love Boat Captain" perhaps there is a need for them. Who knows? Perhaps it is the SAME captain. Herbie np -> "one By One" Foo Fighters (pre-release) ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:46:37 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: Exile Follies mini-review > So I saw the Exile Follies at the Troubador last night-- the Grant Lee > Phillips, John Doe & Kristin Hersh tour thingy. I caught the show in Chicago last Saturday, and thanks for writing yours up... For our show the order was: 1) all three for one new song, 2) Kristin solo, 3) Grant solo, 4) John solo, and 5) all three again for covers. > He seems like the kind of artist I would like, but something about > his voice and the way it renders all of his own tunes totally > incomprehensible to me... they just don't stick. I've heard this about Grant before, but to each his own I guess. His stuff hits me right between the eyes. Too bad there was a sense of hurry-up to the show ( they were the first on a two-show night at the Abbey Pub, and had to clear the stage on time), because songs like 'Happiness' were done at twice normal speed. Grant's voice was in top form though, and he followed the now-predictable pattern of a) 'aw shucks' host b) robust performer c) had too much Jagermeister. > (Doe by contrast did > mostly newer, unfamiliar material, all of which was clearly delivered and > memorable. He was in great vocal form, best I've heard in a long time.) I will second this wholeheartedly - John was clearly the best performer on the night. Really, really strong new songs. He's coming back with Neko Case in a couple weeks, and so impressed one of my showmates that she bought the CD on the spot. > -Kristin Hersh is probably the only artist I've ever paid to see perform in > an advanced stage of pregnancy (she looks at least as big as my wife, who's > due in December)... but she is DEFINITELY the only performer I've seen live > during THREE CONSECUTIVE PREGNANCIES, dating back to 1991. She redefines > the term "working mom". Also, she was, as alway, incredible beyond > reasonable comprehension. I'll have to break with you on that one, Kristin was terribly underwhelming at our show. Not that she could be leaping around doing cartwheels or anything, just didn't have 'it' happening despite having clearly half the crowd there to see (only) her. Plus she still does that fabulously annoying sideways shimmy-thing with her head while singing. Blech. I will concede that seeing Kristin, seated and in a white preggy dress, belting out "When the Levee Breaks" while Grant Lee and John drove the rhythm hard was nearly worth the price of admission alone. > Grant was an amiable and > entertaining host, and deserves big credit for organizing this weird > experiment. Seconded. I hope there's enough positive vibes generated that the model succeeds with or without his participation. Imagine the possibilities! Michael "Yeah, OK, I'd pay to see Kristin do cartwheels" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 22:25:41 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: or not to be Picked up the new Rhett Miller today. A couple of Old 97ish tracks but mostly it sounds like he's doing his best to try and become a pop star. Not a bad disc, though. The track Robyn sings on is my favorite, although Robyn's presence is pretty much on par with Stipe's on "She Doesn't Exist"...basically all he does is repeat the words "or not to be" every so often. Nextdoorland gets better & better with each listen and, similar to what others have experienced, the people at work whom I've subjected to it have generally commented favorably, wheras usually when I blast my music they just come over and shut my door. Boring people. bzzzzp. - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 00:47:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Captain, My Captain On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Mike Swedene wrote: > I was listening to a pre-release of the new Pearl Jam > album and it hit me.... why the songs, all of a > sudden, about Captains? We have SB and now PJ with > "Love Boat Captain" perhaps there is a need for them. > Who knows? Perhaps it is the SAME captain. They're all in a Bob Pollard cult. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me? __Captain Beefheart__ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 00:31:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Random NDL song notes. "Rex.Broome" wrote: > 2) Sudden Town: first of all, the riff reminds me of something off > the first Love album, moreseo than the obvious Byrds nod. And I like > the way it branches off in all kinds of directions and always lands > back on that riff with the "yeah!"... it's like the town itself > spontaneously and surprisingly showing back up. And I still get a > palpable rush when the ghouls show up, and even more so when they sha > la la la la la la. > > I believe he *definitely* says "old erection". Old _Direction._ at least that's what the lyrics page says, and both phrases could easily sound the same. But it sounded more like direction to me to begin with anyways. I have nothing else to contribute to the ablum discussion except a series of random "Me too"s though. ===== "If we don't allow journalists, politicians, and every two-bit Joe Schmo with a cause to grandstand by using 9-11 as a lame rhetorical device, then the terrorists have already won." -- "Shredder" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 16:28:47 +0000 From: "Golden Hind" Subject: You know its going to be alright James, the LS was MereLewis, dedicated to Phill Pullman's pet-peeve. - --------- Matt: >Not forgetting Robert Anton Wilson, I listed him as fiction, thou whatever he writes is entertaining. >also Geoffrey Ashe Utter and complete Doh. Not only great Arthurian stuff, but even a book tying it in with Blake. Also stuff on Central/Eastern Asia. Me doh-doh. Didnt realize he'd written a novel. Will have to have a look. Thanks. - ----- Will also take a look at "The Modern Antiquitarian." Sounds intriguing. I thought Cope only wrote about music. - --------------------- Rex >- -Kristin Hersh is probably the only artist I've ever paid to see >perform >in an advanced stage of pregnancy (she looks at least as big >as my wife, >who's due in December)... ??? I didnt know advanced pregnancy decreased a woman's ability to perform music;-P. On his kid-songs: >"What Goes On" by the Velvets ("Baby be good, do what ya should"), One of my favorites for Katie. I used to zoom her up and down and side to side too, during the relevent verse. What a great bunch of songs you chose. >and an intense medley of every Johnny Cash song I can think of which can go on for quite some time... I wish youd suggested that 12 years ago. >In short, and obviously, not "kids' songs". "The Kids are Alright" works well too. But I would get frustrated at the end cause I couldnt sing all the harmonies at once. Oh, and I'd start trying to drum with the baby;-) >Fire away. Sound like a "pretty good one" to me. You care, you're there, youre sharing what you love with who you love. - ------------------ Happy slightly late BDay Eclipse - ------------------ Ross1: >I tended >to see Raymond Hitchcock in the "father in >Heaven" part & his mom in the "mother" parts, >but I like Tom C. & James' political allegory takes. As do I. Great reading James and Tom. Its nice to see others share one of my prime geek areas here(how many meanings can be compacted into how few words? - -- or why a great song is like a Tardis;-?) Still, the ghouls will come. For me, Ive always connected ghouls to guilt, especially of the aggressively bloodthirsty variety. How do other people think of ghouls? Kay, Charlestoning to "American Girl"(love doing that knee thing.) "I think it's nice when old things can still move around." Robyn Hitchcock _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 12:49:32 -0400 From: "Roberta Cowan" Subject: FW: Departure Lounge US tour dates begin today! The lineup will be different each night - Dept. Lounge will be in its duo formation for some of the dates, with songwriter / vocalist / guitarist Tim Keegan accompanied by bassist Jake Kyle. Drummer / multi-instrumentalist / vocalist Lindsay Jamieson will be joining the band for about half of the shows: namely New York, Hoboken, Nashville, Chicago, Athens and Atlanta. In many other cities there will be special guests and additional players rounding out the lineups and in Nashville it will be 2 action packed nights of trying to squeeze too many people into the Slow Bar and sorting through requests for the Village People and Destiny's Child. FULL US dates w. The GLANDS + The SUNSHINE FIX: Oct 5 Savannah, GA Velvet Lounge www.velvetsavannah.com Oct 6 Charlestown, SC Village Tavern Oct 7 Winston-Salem, NC The Garage - www.ps211.org Oct 8 Carrboro, NC Go! Rehearsals - Room 4 www.chapel-hill.nc.us/clubs/go.html Oct 9 Washington, DC Black Cat www.blackcatdc.com Oct 10 Philadelphia, PA North Star Bar www.northstarbar.com Oct 11 Hoboken, NJ Maxwell's www.maxwellsnj.com Oct 12 New York, NY Mercury Lounge www.mercuryloungenyc.com Oct 13 OFF Oct 14 Cleveland, OH Grog Shop -> Glands + D. Lounge only www.grogshop.gs Oct 15 Detroit, MI Magic Stick www.themagicstick.com Oct 16 Chicago, IL Abbey Pub www.abbeypub.com Oct 17 OFF Oct 18 Nashville, TN Slow Bar www.slowbar.com Oct 19 Nashville, TN Slow Bar www.slowbar.com OPENING FOR THE SOFT BOYS: Oct 21 Athens, GA 40-Watt Club www.40watt.com Oct 22 Atlanta, GA Variety Playhouse www.variety-playhouse.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 16:53:48 +0000 From: "Golden Hind" Subject: Celebrity cheesesteaking Sometimes its nice working in a library. We have alot of lectures and author events happening here. And guess who is an author? --"Little" Jimmey Scott. He came in for his lecture and was met by the usual assortage of college-educated, white au courant types who run these things. Well, they were trying to get Scott to go somewhere but there was this middle-aged African-American woman who was just totally floored to be seeing him(she had come early for the lecture and there- he- was-.) Anyway he kept talking to her while the others were trying to get him away and Scott told her that all what he really wanted in Philly was a good Philly cheese steak. So the woman told him she was going to go get him the best cheesesteak in all Philly and he broke out in this great smile. Knowing the people who do these events I bet theres a veggie tray backstage waiting for him, maybe with some smoked, low-fat turkey on it. Heh. Im glad he found that woman. Alright, I know, pointless little starmucking vignette. But its Saturday, Im working and bored, I think seeing Jimmey Scott is kinda cool and Im sure some Feg somewhere could come up with some connection tween Scott and Robyn. Wait -- I got it. Cheese! Kay "I think it's nice when old things can still move around." Robyn Hitchcock _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 15:16:02 -0700 From: barbara soutar Subject: The New Age Hello, Since people were talking about the concept of the New Age I thought I'd put my ideas here. A few years ago I was incensed/amused at my husband's interest in the New Age movement and decided to track down where it all came from. The most enlightening book I found on the topic was the life story of Annie Besant, one of the leaders of the British Theosophical Society. A fascinating biography I might add, in two volumes. Strangely enough I am now involved in a few new agey things myself, one of which is astrology and the other is a Tibetan form of healing visualization called The Medicine Buddha. My husband now makes fun of *me*. Here on the west coast it's hard to avoid the New Age movement! Even in Canada. I was amazed to discover that the "new age movement" as we know it, was being prepared for by the Theosophists way back in the 1890's in late Victorian England. Everyone was sitting around waiting for Queen Victoria to die, and knew that something different was in store for them when she did. She died just as the century changed and it was thought to be very significant. Annie Besant and crowd travelled to India and chose a teenage boy called Krishnamurti to be the new "world leader" in the early part of the 20th century. Horribly enough, Hitler had other ideas about who was going to be the new world leader. Needless to say, things didn't go as planned. Nevertheless, Annie supported the independence movement in India and was the one who gave the nickname "mahatma" to Gandhi. Not only that but she was in on the designing of the Indian flag. Not sure what to make of it all, but it was educational for me to find out. Barbara Soutar Victoria, B.C. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 11:19:29 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Chicago Fegfest They're coming...Robyn, Kimberley, Matthew and Morris: "The Four Horsemen of the Apocryphal." And since it looks like we already have enough interested souls, I would like to openly invite all who will be in town early for the SB's Chicago show to an afternoon of light revelry, food grazing, and meeting of thy fellow feg at my place on Sunday, October 28th at noon. Weather not gauranteed. Footballs provided. And no costumes, unless it's a really good one. Thanks to those who have already made plans to come. I live about 40 miles WSW of the city proper - write me offlist for directions. Michael "there'll be no nude Twister, sorry" Wells ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #316 ********************************