From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #315 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, October 4 2002 Volume 11 : Number 315 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Heatwave [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: #314 [Eb ] so many threads, so little time [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] RE: Rheostaticity and Flaming Lips ["da9ve stovall" ] Occult vs New Age ["matt sewell" ] The guitars... it's the guitars... ["matt sewell" ] Soft Boys gig advert ["The Birdpoo" ] Re: WJC [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Soft Boys gig advert [Brian ] Re: ah, canada? [gSs ] My messages.... [MSewell@oxfam.org.uk] Re: I would like the Geek Crown briefly, please ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr.] Re: Clichetown [Stewart Russell ] Re: so many threads, so little time [Stewart Russell ] youth ["Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" ] RE: Rheostaticity and Flaming Lips ["Jonathan Fetter" ] Hello Kitty Quality Optics [0% RH] [Stewart Russell ] strings & things ["ross taylor" ] RE: youth ["Terrence Marks" ] Baby's First Plague Ballad ["Rex.Broome" ] moving next door [drew ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 22:51:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Heatwave On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, ross taylor wrote: > MRG-- > > >'Why' is raga rock > >'Why' is a r-o o t M s 'H' b M & t V > > Excuse me? "rip-off of the Motown(?) song(?) "Heatwave" by Martha & the Vandellas": from a paragraph or so before. My preferred orthography would simply be ROOTMSHBM&TV. ROOTMSHBM&TV, kidneys in the body... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me? __Captain Beefheart__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 21:20:21 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: #314 >From: "Rex.Broome" >Subject: I would like the Geek Crown briefly, please > >I'll take the crown, please. It's yours. Incidentally, I can think of only two albums which I keep more than one copy of: Big Star's Third/Sister Lovers (there's the recent Rykodisc version with more bonus tracks and better packaging, but I prefer the mix and track sequence of the previous PVC version) and Highway 61 Revisited (the CD, plus a really trashed mono-vinyl copy which I bought for a couple of bucks). On the other hand, I still haven't decided whether it's worthwhile to keep both Dondestan and Dondestan Revisited. Ditto for the two Rykodisc pressings of We're Only in It for the Money. >James: >makes me think of that godawful "Mother" song on the last Police album - Odd thing to hear from a King Crimson fan. >5) Pulse of My Heart: >the new-wavey bassline Oh man. If you only knew how much trouble that description got *me* in.... >From: "ross taylor" > >My vote goes out for "Lazy Day" by the Left >Banke for most Charlstoned song of the 60s, >tho "Cool, Calm, Collected" would be >close. Seems like there's gotta be a Kinks song which is a strong contender in this category, but I can't quite come up with the title. Something on Face to Face, maybe? Not in the mood to go album-skimming right now. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 18:54:30 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: so many threads, so little time >And then I got curious about this whole reissue/remaster thing. We all get >'em and say "this sounds so much better than the original botch job", but >who actually compares them? anyone who bought the remastered Byrds CDs and went "oooooo!" when they heard the sound quality! - --- >Both Sarah and I had asssumed Orthanc/Cirith Ungol. And then if the above is >not confusing and vague enough Christopher Tolkein's editorial notes "On the >other hand. in his original design for the jacket of The Two Towers the >Towers are certainly Orthanc and Minas Morgul". So take your pick and >there'll be evidence for it. it often brings to my mind the image of the Moon card in many Tarot decks. - --- >Then, the problem there is that I have no idea what it might mean to >describe a band as having a "Canadian" sound. Rush? Anne Murray? >Bachman-Turner Overdrive? Neil Young? to quote my beloved one: "Canadians sing like ghosts". - --- >you missed out the best bit, being the name of the condition: argyria. I thought that was the state of being a Campbell! James (well, Stewart should get the joke, anyway) PS - have a good one, Eclipse! James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: 4 Oct 2002 00:12:17 -0700 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: RE: Rheostaticity and Flaming Lips >Were the Lips lacking their drummer for the other shows? I thought >that it was pretty lame that they used a recording in his place. How many Lips were on stage? If there were three, they weren't *sans* drummer - he was just playing guitar or keyboards. Steve Drozd is the most-multi-instrumental of the group, and usually ends up on various other non-percussive things live, while films of him playing the drum parts are sometimes shown on a screen. >From: "Rex.Broome" >Subject: Rheostatics/Beachwood Sparks > >da9ve: >>>I loves me some Rheostatics. > >Never really heard of them until I was pointed to "Saskastchewan" for the >"ghost ship" project. Liked it... but can anyone describe their general >sound without using the word "Canadian"? > Warning: long, rambling post ahead. That's easier said than done. They ARE very Canadian. A couple of their songs emulate a Neil Young/Crazy Horse vibe; Neal Peart guests on a couple tracks on _Whale Music_; they did a very nice cover of "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" on their _Melville_ album and an absolutely stunning deconstructed version of same on the thoroughly excellent _Double Live_. There are a lot of similarities - in subject matter, range of styles and ideas, and skill level - between the Rheos and Mike Keneally. Some of their stuff is almost goofy, acoustic, group-singalong-around-a-campfire folky ("Legal Age Life at Variety Store" - "these are the things that make me roar: disco sux and so does war, the meek shall inherit the earth no more...") - those are usually the ones sung by Dave Bidini (who has also written a couple of damn fine books); the ones sung by Martin Tielli - he of the fragile voice slightly reminiscent of David Bowie-with-a-touch-of-Freddie Mercury - are often more anthemic, but never maudlin/shmaltzy. Sometimes they rawk out - though the combination of always-deft production and an amazing attention to intricate detail in the music, instrumental timbres and tight, confident playing keeps things from getting stoopid unless they damn well mean it to. Sometimes, they'll throw in a little half-second hair-metal guitar sound, and then pull away just to let you know it wasn't in earnest, but just a wink and a grin. Sometimes they throw in Beach Boys harmonies, and those generally are in earnest - a lot of their songs concern water in various forms, frequently solid/crystalline. They ARE Canadian. The song "Queer" on _Whale Music_ is, I assert, the best possible song about having a gay family member. It's from the point of view of one brother who's apparently the only supporter of his brother who comes out and gets thrown out of the house by his father. It's told stream-of-consciousness and elliptical/oblique - - every couplet or verse describing some little specific thing that happened concerning the event - you piece it all together to follow the story. "Father raged like a soldier/he put his fist through the kitchen door/when I said it would have been/better if you had/split of your own accord. I don't care 'bout the damage/but I wish you were there to see it/when I scored a hat trick/on the team/that called you a fucking queer." Hockey, too. The climax of the song, where you finally hear the voice of the other brother, three-quarters hidden by a furious crescendo of *sound*, is chilling. A whole movie-of-the-week in five and a half minutes. Worth the price of the album ten times over - - and I still can't quite even make out all the words at the end. So, I guess I can't really describe what they *sound* like. Hell. Just have a look on eBay - you can probably get _Whale Music_ for 5 bucks including shipping. If ya don't like it, I'll buy it offa ya and continue my tradition of giving away copies to anyone I think might like it. :-) Other good starting places would be _The Blue Hysteria_, _Melville_, _Double Live_ and _Night of the Shooting Stars_, the last of which is their latest album, and rawks out more than most. da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 10:28:07 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Occult vs New Age Not forgetting Robert Anton Wilson, who has a fantastic overview of many of the writers you mention as well as being an entertaining and informative writer, also Geoffrey Ashe, a notable Glastafarian (!) - Chrissy's just finished his novel, The Finger And The Moon and she swears the fiction is but a thin veneer over the occult knowledge... Dion Fortune - we always walk past her house when we're in Glastonbury - apparently her name is short for Deo Non Fortuna... For sacred geometry, Kay, I recommend you fly to the UK armed with a compass and all the right ordinance survey maps and walk the St Michael's Ley line... starts in Carn Les Boles in Cornwall and ends somewhere in E Anglia, with many of the most fantastic ancient sites/sights in the world... Cheers Mystic Matt >From: "Golden Hind" > > >For fiction I think I also mentioned Elizabeth Hand(who Ross T reced >to me,)Dion Fortune(thou she has to be read with a sense of period,) >Eco and the Illumanatti stuff. >For non-fiction --ahh, my minds blanking. The Matthews and Bob >Stewart? Obviously I mentioned Yates and Regardie. Gareth Knight >and John Mitchell also, I think. I should have mentioned thou, that >Im pretty allergic to any writings, by any authors, that involve >taking vampires, crop-circles, Blatavaski-type invisible masters or >aliens at all seriously(thou I love crop-circles as trickster art.) >Im not sure why. My weaknesses are for Arthurian, hermeticiasm and >alchemy, mysticism and sacred geometry. Im not sure why. > > >Kay, who observes more than accuses >The babble that we think we mean >CS Lewis > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: >http://messenger.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 10:40:01 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: The guitars... it's the guitars... 8/10 is about where I'm coming from on it - I've only had chance to listen to it twice, so I think it'll grow on me even more. I think I enjoyed the second half more than the first, the first time I played it, but each song has grown on me since then (one listen on). Thanks to Nuppy, I spent the days before Nextdoorland arrived listening to old SBs - Radar demos/sessions and the LMH gig, so having been immersed in the band in a younger incarnation, I could easily tell that NDL was the SBs, though less jabbing and more stroking, less spikey, more rounded... For me, the guitars could have been a bit louder, or perhaps eq'ed to be a little crisper, more trebly, but that could just be my knackered old ears/speakers. The vox are a little loud in places, but I don't think this detracts very much. I think it's going to grow into a fantastic album, I really do... Brian, not making the Winchester gig... are you sure you can afford to do that?! What about London? Cheers Matt >From: "Brian Hoare" >>Rex: >>It's the guitars... >>It's as if, when you slot Kimberly back in there and he starts with >>those snakey fills and galloping riffs, Robyn says, "Oh yeah, I >>gotta do me some of that too," ... We haven't heard Robyn play >>this kind of guitar for a long time. Some of the stuff he plays >>here we've *never* heard before. And Kimberly... well, Kimberly >>Rewls. > >As an album I'm rating it about 8/10 at the moment but it is >obviously going to be monstrously good live. I'm not to be able to >make the Winchester gig, which pisses me off massively, so they'd >better not implode over Iceland and make sure that do proper UK >tour. With NDL/Side 3 and UM to pick from the upcoming tour may well >be even better than the last. > >Brian - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 11:04:48 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Heatwave > MRG-- > >'Why' is raga rock > >'Why' is a r-o o t M s 'H' b M & t V On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, ross taylor wrote: > Excuse me? * Thanks to JeFFrey for explaining this. > Anyway, I might agree to say that "Why" and "Heatwave" came together > in the fertile breeding ground of the Charlston. * Like it! And for a further derivative along the same lines, how about 'American Girl' by Tom Petty? > My vote goes out for "Lazy Day" by the Left Banke for most Charlstoned > song of the 60s, tho "Cool, Calm, Collected" would be close. * Don't know any of this stuff. We only had one Left Banke record in the UK, 'Pretty Ballerina', and I don't think anybody bought it. Even the Association hardly sold any records over here - I think that sound was a bit too smooth for the Brits. Fifth Dimension had a hit with "Up up and away" however. - - Mike Godwin PS I second Stewart's recommendation of 'The Modern Antiquarian'. V. handy when I was wandering round Stanton Drew stone circles the other day. n.p. Adge Cutler & the Wurzels "When the Common Market comes to Stanton Drew". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 12:27:46 +0100 From: "The Birdpoo" Subject: Soft Boys gig advert Looking through some press clippings recently, I found a 1980 advert for the Moonlight Club venue in London, which included a Soft Boys appearance. I've uploaded the scan as below. http://www.btinternet.com/~birdpoo/tvpad10.jpg Keg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:18:25 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: WJC Shades of Primary Colors: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2294147.stm - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:14:05 -0400 From: Brian Subject: Re: Soft Boys gig advert Cool scan. Is this the same one that's in either the 76-81 or the double Underwater Moonlight reissue? This gig was exactly 22 years before the release date of Nextdoorland. I'm sure they planned it this way. :) Nuppy At Friday, 4 October 2002, Keg wrote: >Looking through some press clippings recently, I found a 1980 advert for the >Moonlight Club venue in London, which included a Soft Boys appearance. I've >uploaded the scan as below. >http://www.btinternet.com/~birdpoo/tvpad10.jpg > >Keg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 08:35:38 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: ah, canada? On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Seriously, what constitutes a "Canadian" sound? loverboy? sorry, i had to throw that one in. but please don't hurt us by mentioning the american bands on that same level. while I was in Canada this last spring i heard a number of Canadian bands and all except for one sucked particularly. it was that droning mono beat over and over in every fucking song that unnerved me the most. through the entire show the tempo stays the same and far too much is now sequenced. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:55:54 +0100 From: MSewell@oxfam.org.uk Subject: My messages.... Hello I sent a few messages this week from hotmail - none of them have appeared, so if you get a couple of messages from me over the weekend basically repeating each other, you know what's happened. NDL - fantastic, though I've been through this already, about twice... 12 days to Winchester and Side 3! Woohoo! Cheers Matt We have the chance to lift millions out of poverty. Only one thing is missing -- you. Please join the Oxfam trade campaign at http://www.maketradefair.com Oxfam works with others to find lasting solutions to poverty and suffering. Oxfam GB is a member of Oxfam International, a company limited by guarantee and registered in England No. 612172. Registered office: 274 Banbury Road, Oxford OX2 7DZ. Registered charity No. 202918. Visit the web site at http://www.oxfam.org.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 07:03:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: I would like the Geek Crown briefly, please Me! I have compared different CD issues against different LP pressings of the same album. I've had a lot of fun doing that with Rush and Sinatra albums, in particular. But I don't do it with my computer and software; I just use my stereo system. I think that once you remove the source from the primary playback system (i.e., move it to the computer) you're adding another layer of variability, unless you're using reference-quality digital and analog equipment. I have a stunning CDR of albums made with hardware worth probably $100K, but how many people have that kind of equipment in their house? But hey, any excuse to listen to records and fiddle with sound is alright with me. And yes, I'm a sucker for reissues; my wife thinks I'm a stooge to the record companies, but I think that generally most everybody is anyway. If I like an album, I try to buy as many of the good-sounding iterations of it as I can. . New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 10:19:25 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Clichetown Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > You young whippersnappers just don't know what you're missing...) actually, on the rare occasion a CD does skip, it can create a very harmonious effect -- or a very unpleasant one, depending on where the error occurs and how your player handles it. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 10:32:24 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: so many threads, so little time James Dignan wrote: > > anyone who bought the remastered Byrds CDs and went "oooooo!" when they > heard the sound quality! I bought one of 'em more for the Sid Griffin liner notes. > to quote my beloved one: "Canadians sing like ghosts". you must have some pretty loud ghosts, 'cos the local bands at the Horseshoe can fair belt it out. Kevin Quain (who sometimes shares a record label with Kimberley) sings pretty much like a ghost, albeit one who listened to a lot of Tom Waits when alive. > I thought that was the state of being a Campbell! only just, but I think you are confusing it with some of the Bignoniaceae, which I believe are commonly found in rock gardens. (Did I say that I remember my grandfather telling me that his grandmother remembered the Stewarts of Appin leaving for Stewart Island, NZ?) Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 08:07:43 -0700 From: drew Subject: rules >From: "Golden Hind" > >Drew: >We'll bury "rawk" where it belongs if we can specify "rewls" as manditory >list spelling for any phrase ending in "rules." (I hate "cliche rules" even >more than "cliche rawks." "Cliche rewls" would at least make it , oh no, >theres that word again, interesting) No deal. Those Ws surely have better things to do. >From: Tom Clark > >on 10/3/02 7:54 AM, ross taylor at protay4@eudoramail.com wrote: > >> mother is coming she wants to be friends >> so all of the poison can get in you >> strings >> she's got a map of you >> she knows the pressure points > >This bit sounds to me like a rant against western imperialism. Shades of "O Superman"? Or _The Wall_? The lyrical analyses are terrific -- keep 'em coming. Certainly I'm beginning to feel more engaged by the lyrics to "Strings." I like bass instruments. >From: "Rex.Broome" >on one of Robyn's best choruses in some time. _Wow_. The chorus to Mr. Kennedy seems to me the weakest and most disappointing thing about it. Maybe it's the lyric and not the music, but still it's weird how at odds we are about it. >From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > >(Note to the kids: a "record" was a plastic disc on which sound patterns >[...] >You young whippersnappers just don't know what you're missing...) Who are you talking to? That brings to mind a question: who's the youngest member of this list? I'm turning 28 this month so I'm sure it can't be me. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 08:59:06 -0700 From: "Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" Subject: youth > That brings to mind a question: who's the youngest member of > this list? I'm turning 28 this month so I'm sure it can't be me. I'm 25. But surely I am not the youngest. That would just be sad+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 12:40:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: RE: Rheostaticity and Flaming Lips On 4 Oct 2002 00:12:17 -0700, "da9ve stovall" wrote : > >Were the Lips lacking their drummer for the other shows? I > thought > >that it was pretty lame that they used a recording in his place. > > How many Lips were on stage? If there were three, they weren't > *sans* drummer - he was just playing guitar or keyboards. Steve > Drozd is the most-multi-instrumental of the group, and usually > ends up on various other non-percussive things live, while films > of him playing the drum parts are sometimes shown on a screen. I remember only two, plus the video of him playing drums. He should learn to play two instruments at once, like those Canadians in Rush. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 11:46:52 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: youth > I'm 25. But surely I am not the youngest. That would just be sad+ Didn't we once figure out that it was Terrence? He was like 18 or something obscene like that. +brian "so old it's almost young again" in New Orleans ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 13:33:23 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Hello Kitty Quality Optics [0% RH] How I wish this weren't just a photoshop fancy: considering you can get candy-coloured Hasselblads and Leicas commemorating european royals successfully crossing the road, this isn't so far fetched. Stewart - -- foreach(split('',"\3\3\3c>\0>c\177cc\0~c~``\0cc\177cc")) {$_=unpack('B8',$_);tr,01,\40#,;print$_,"\n";}##IYDKINT! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 11:23:44 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Exile Follies mini-review So I saw the Exile Follies at the Troubador last night-- the Grant Lee Phillips, John Doe & Kristin Hersh tour thingy. Bonus appearance by the fantastic Howe Gelb of Giant Sand-- now there's a guy who grooves on Robyn's plane, albeit in a desert-fried idiom-- who also brought out PJ Harvey for a cover of "Johnny Hit & Run Paulene" before Doe even hit the stage. It was a cool thing overall... worth the price of admission to see John & Kristin do "White Girl" and all three trade verses on "Sugar Mountain"... Some stats of interest: - -Grant is now officially the only artist ever to co-headline with two of my five favorite artist without inspiring me to pick up a single one of his own records. He seems like the kind of artist I would like, but something about his voice and the way it renders all of his own tunes totally incomprehensible to me... they just don't stick. (Doe by contrast did mostly newer, unfamiliar material, all of which was clearly delivered and memorable. He was in great vocal form, best I've heard in a long time.) - -Kristin Hersh is probably the only artist I've ever paid to see perform in an advanced stage of pregnancy (she looks at least as big as my wife, who's due in December)... but she is DEFINITELY the only performer I've seen live during THREE CONSECUTIVE PREGNANCIES, dating back to 1991. She redefines the term "working mom". Also, she was, as alway, incredible beyond reasonable comprehension. Although still not my cuppa as a musician, Grant was an amiable and entertaining host, and deserves big credit for organizing this weird experiment. Most of all, the performers were clearly having a great time together. And the three-part harmonies were shockingly good. Just in case you wanted to know. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:24:49 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: strings & things Strings-- I grew up w/ "confessional poetry" so I tended to see Raymond Hitchcock in the "father in Heaven" part & his mom in the "mother" parts, but I like Tom C. & James' political allegory takes. In fact I can go w/ James' reading all the way thru, w/ mine just providing an alternate. The fact that James could make such a good reading w/ out hearing the song says something about how well the words stand up on-- well, I was going to say "on paper," but you know what I mean. Sorta like the discussion of "a record player." - --- I share the disappointment in the Rolling Thunder announcement. I want to hear digitally remastered, SACD versions of "I'm Not There (1956)" and "Silent Weekend"! I would also prefer to have a taste of the whole tour package, w/ McGuinn, Mitchell, Baez etc. added to the mix. - --- Ken W.-- >Rick Brand, Left Banke guitarist, was my psychiatrist in high school. Ahhhhh yesssss, that explains a lot. ;) "It's really quite all right my dear I hear the music too" - --Electric Prunes, "Dr. DoGood" - --- eclipse-- Happy Birthday! and remember you said you wouldn't whine ... Nobody Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:51:55 -0400 From: "Terrence Marks" Subject: RE: youth > > I'm 25. But surely I am not the youngest. That would just be sad+ > > Didn't we once figure out that it was Terrence? He was like 18 or > something obscene like that. > I was, yeah, but I got older again. I'm 25 now, so there's got to be younger folk around somewhere. np. Rainbow Ffolly - Sallies Fforth Terrence Marks http://nice.purrsia.com http://www.unlikeminerva.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 12:58:52 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Baby's First Plague Ballad Kay, kids & music: >>camping it up with Chumley and Carlotta to "The Sound of Music," badly tuned >>guitars after dinner, whatever it takes... My wife covers the musical theatre angle and I have the badly-tuned guitar well in hand. It's been a year and a half now, so remembering Miranda's hit parade is tricky. I know the first song I sang for her was "Bye Bye Pride" by the Go-Betweens. "When a woman learns to walk she's not dependent anymore"... wow, that one came back to bite me. Favorites throughout that time have included "The Little Black Egg" by the Nightcrawlers, "Return of the Grievous Angel" by Gram Parsons, "Visions of Johanna" aka "Visions of Miranda", "Medley: Divine Hammer/As Tears Go By", lots of Robyn, lots of Kristin Hersh, lots of Neil Young, lots of old country and folk tunes I got from my dad, and, umm, "Ell Ess Too" by Pavement, "What Goes On" by the Velvets ("Baby be good, do what ya should"), "At 4AM" by Tom Verlaine (she was born at exactly 4AM), "Pink Moon", a Kingston Trio-esque version of "When I Grown Up" by Garbage, some Lucinda Williams and some Vic Chesnutt, and an intense medley of every Johnny Cash song I can think of which can go on for quite some time... In short, and obviously, not "kids' songs". I figure she'll hear plenty of those. This is mostly singer-songwriterly stuff and I guess it's all about my hope that she'll develop a sense of love for language and all of that. But also it's the only kind of stuff I'm half-qualified to sing, really. Plus I grew up with some pretty messed-up non-kiddie tunes from my own dad, and I turned out okay (???)... and look at the words to some traditional kids's songs sometime... I mean, just because it's coded, is "Ring Around the Rosie" any less harrowing than "Lady Waters", which at least ends well? A plague song is a plague song, say I... Probably makes me a terrible parent or a pretty good one depending on your point of view. People have incredibly strong opinions on this stuff. Fire away. - -Miranda's dad (& Ridley's dad-to-be) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:09:44 -0700 From: drew Subject: moving next door Argh. As predicted, _Nextdoorland_ is beginning to sound pretty good to me. I listened again on headphones, keeping Matthew's comments about the mix in mind, and imagining how it would sound if the instruments were louder and Robyn's vocals mixed back to feel more of a piece with them. That would have helped "Pulse of my Heart," "Mr. Kennedy," and "Unprotected Love" a lot; the latter's moving way up in my rankings. I think the track I'm least enthusiastic about now is "Sudden Town," which is just kind of eh. After that I decided to put on _A Can of Bees_, which might have been a mistake. God, what a fantastic album this is. It's easily the equal of _Underwater Moonlight_, I think, just spiky and rubbery and madcap where _UM_ is smooth and focused and comprehensible. I'm no longer disappointed by _Nextdoorland_, though it might take the tour (and side 3?) to get me really excited about it. - - Drew ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #315 ********************************