From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #313 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, October 3 2002 Volume 11 : Number 313 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: More on Nextdoorland ["matt sewell" ] Re: mr kennedy ["matt sewell" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #311 [Michael R Godwin ] perspex island, not my girl [andrew ] lonely girls rule the world [andrew ] Re: mr kennedy ["Jonathan Fetter" ] Japanese Captain [The Great Quail ] Re: mr kennedy [Brian ] Re: mr kennedy [Brian ] re: Wembley ["Kenneth Johnson" ] Strings ["ross taylor" ] Re: mr kennedy ["melissa" ] Bass-o-matic -- a theory ["Scott McCleary" ] NDL leerics et more ["Golden Hind" ] Re: Japanese Captain [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Me 'n' my musical daughter. ["Rex.Broome" ] 'n' rowl [andrew ] Saturday's Chameleons Show ["Maximilian Lang" ] Rheostatics/Beachwood Sparks ["Rex.Broome" ] at least one at every meeting. [gSs ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 09:48:09 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: More on Nextdoorland Ah, well, the Notting Hill performance of JC had a long and very funny spoken-word section which gave a few clues as to what the hell it was about... If only I could remember! Any fegs who were there with a better memory (or a memory at all)? Cheers Matt, uh... you know... whatever my name is... >From: Stewart Russell >The Great Quail wrote: >> >>I say, yeah, let the lyric analysis begin! > >okay, to what (or whom) does the Japanese Captain analogy refer? > >My possibles: > >* one of those Japanese soldiers who kept "fighting" on remote >pacific islands long after WWII was done > >* a Japanese whale boat skipper working overtime to beat the >moratorium > >* a Japanese salaryman (captain of industry) on the verge of >karoshi, death through overwork? > >Hmm... > > Stewart - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 10:26:16 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: mr kennedy Thanks to Nuppy, the few days before NDL finally arrived were spent (when not at work) listening to ye old soft boys - namely a demo from March '77, some Radar demos, along with some Radar sessions (I believe the "legendary" sessions) and a Nov '78 gig at LMH. Having now heard NDL, I can definitely say there's no doubt about it being a SBs album - all the markers that were there in the original are still there, just smoother, more rounded, less jabbing, more stroking. I've only listened to the album the once, but I'd already heard all the songs save I Love Lucy, so I was prepared for the material. What struck me the most on this first listen was how much more I enjoyed the second half of the album - I was expecting Mr K, Mind, and Disconnection to be my favourites, but turns out it was Strings (one I didn't really get into live), LaCherite (I loved it live, but the recording gives it an extra dimension) and JC. Sad muso notes: I didn't think the vox were too loud - the guitars maybe could be louder, or perhaps eq'ed to be a little crisper (trebly), but that could well be my knackered old ears/stereo. I'll bet the vinyl sounds fantastic, though... the overall warm sound was severely tempting me to run out and buy a turntable and a vinyl copy of the album. It hasn't even had a chance to start growing on me, but I still think it's a great album. Cheers Matt >From: Brian >All I can say to those of you who have trouble hearing Matthew's >bass: ya all need a new stereo or sumthin! I have absolutely no problem >hearing his bass -unlike on the tour last year. That's where I had >the trouble hearing his bass. > >Is there anyone on this list who doesn't like Strings? I think it's >the one song we all agree on. > >Nuppy > >np: Nextdoorland - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:39:17 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #311 On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Brian Hoare wrote: > My guess is the story may be The Lost Road from the fifth of Christopher > Tolkien's collections. I haven't read it as I only got to book 4 of these. > A bibliography describes it as "The title story is the earlier version of > Tolkien's Atlantis legend, the fall of Nzmenor" so it may be quite a > long/coherant piece. Agreed. IIRC, 'The lost road' and 'The Notion Club Papers' have quite a lot in common, relating how Numenorean language and lore filter down to the present. They have characters and relationships, but don't really have a plot, which is why they never progressed very far. I think that they express an underlying belief of Tolkien's that there is a "true" Golden Age language of which modern languages are inferior offshoots. - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:15:56 -0700 From: andrew Subject: perspex island, not my girl >From: "Rex.Broome" > >Here's the most exciting thing to me, in the context of Robyn's, not the >Soft Boys', career: it's not just that it is, and sounds like, the Soft >Boys (which is great), or even that it is and sounds like a band (which is >also great)... it's that it's Robyn's most stylistically coherent record in, >oh, forever. Since "Perspex Island", by my estimation. Hmm...this might explain my reaction in the same way it explains yours. See, _Perspex Island_'s homogeneity and theoretically radio-friendly sound were the main reasons I disliked it. It sounded poised and in control, which could be seen as positives, but it also sounded unthreatening, uninvolving (= closed off, complete in itself, rounded and opaque), static, and worst of all, impersonal. The album's actually grown on me a fair bit and I now put it on when I want to hear what's "pleasing" (in that "Alright, Yeah" vein) and not what happens on the Robyn album I love and admire most but listen to least (which would be _Eye_). From some artists I enjoy "stylistic coherence," but from Robyn it's kind of like watching a champion arm-wrestler humoring and then defeating five-year-old boys. It's cute and probably entertains the kids but ultimately I'd rather see him pick on someone his own size. That's why I like the albums that surprise me, like _Sophia_ and _Bram_, where it feels like each song is there for its own purposes and has taken shape independently, and still, to me, fits together just fine, because Robyn unifies it. So yeah, I definitely agree it's his most stylistically coherent record since _Perspex Island_. I would disagree that that's a virtue. And yeah, there's no "Child of the Universe," thank god, but then there's also no "Earthly Paradise." Drew ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:00:52 -0700 From: andrew Subject: lonely girls rule the world >From: Ken Ostrander > >i think that it's pretty subjective. Well, that's just your opinion. More new albums on the way. The lead single from the Tori album has me optimistic about her again, after that dire covers album, which I still have not bothered to purchase (I refuse to pay more than $10 for it, and I never listen to my burned copy anyway). It sounds kinda mainstreamy, but I've always liked that side of Tori, the one that occasionally cuts through all the chaos with pure strong melody. Granted "A Sorta Fairytale" isn't exactly "Concertina" or "Northern Lad," but it's a step in the right direction. Can't wait to get the full album. A listen to the Peter Gabriel has me putting aside specious quasi- political posturing. What they say about it being in the Melt/Security vein is true. I'm going to have to give it a bit more attention to decide how I feel about it -- the songs are pretty subtle and dark -- but on sound alone I'm sure I want it. The vocals sound terrific. I've been working on the new Suede as well. A couple of the tunes are stunning and won't get out of my head ("Lost in TV" and "Lonely Girls")...nothing revolutionary, but gorgeous and light on their feet in a way Suede ballads tend not to be. The lyrics are still pretty dopey but Brett has circled five new words in his dictionary (one is "wildflower") to use in every song, so that helps. Several of the other songs are easy on the ears as well, though about half of it has me still skeptical. Of course I'll be buying this ASAP anyway, the two aforementioned gems making it all worth it. No plans to buy, or even bother listening to, Sea Changes. I'll probably sell Mutations in the near future anyway; it's just gathering dust. >From: Jeff Dwarf > >Maybe just because "The Barry Williams Show" >is _SO_ damn awful -- in fact, it may pass that Phil Collins songs >about ignoring the homeless and then feeling guilty about it as the >most cringe inducing, hideous single released by a former Genesis >singer. It's quite nice if you completely ignore the lyrics. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:50:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: Re: mr kennedy > Man, what a dead show. The place was pretty empty. I'm glad this > song spawned from that tour, however. I guess it gives some personal > meaning. > > Were all the shows this dead? It was a great concept tour, with the > Flaming Lips and the headphones and all. The NYC show was pretty dead too, though the horrible venue was jam- packed with people, with beer bottles littering the floor were we were standing. Oh yeah, to liven things up between acts, ear-damaging electronic music was blasted at us at sonic level much higher than any of the bands achieved . Were the Lips lacking their drummer for the other shows? I thought that it was pretty lame that they used a recording in his place. Robyn looked really tired when he sang... Jon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 09:54:22 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Japanese Captain Just for the record, it was not me who suggested the Nipponese commander in question would be a submarine captain. I have absolutely no idea what the hell Robyn means by this one, unless he's waking any sleeping giants, or planning to do some modern whaling.... - --Quail +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.GreatQuail.com "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:21:04 -0400 From: Brian Subject: Re: mr kennedy I listened to Mr. Kennedy in my car on the way to work this morning. I do wish Kim's guitar was louder in the first part of the song. Before the leads. At Thursday, 3 October 2002, Jon wrote: >> Were all the shows this dead? It was a great concept tour, with the >> Flaming Lips and the headphones and all. >The NYC show was pretty dead too, though the horrible venue was jam- >packed with people, with beer bottles littering the floor were we were >standing. > >Oh yeah, to liven things up between acts, ear-damaging electronic >music was blasted at us at sonic level much higher than any of the >bands achieved . Same electronic music played in Cleveland, but not so loud. Cornilus (sp) rocked! Dead on videos in complete rythym with their songs. >Were the Lips lacking their drummer for the other shows? I thought >that it was pretty lame that they used a recording in his place. That was the sucky thing. I had a 2 hour drive back to Toledo, so I missed the Lips, so I dunno about the drummer. >Robyn looked really tired when he sang... Yes, I saw Robyn before the show and he looked very tired. Good performance, however. Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:21:04 -0400 From: Brian Subject: Re: mr kennedy I listened to Mr. Kennedy in my car on the way to work this morning. I do wish Kim's guitar was louder in the first part of the song. Before the leads. At Thursday, 3 October 2002, Jon wrote: >> Were all the shows this dead? It was a great concept tour, with the >> Flaming Lips and the headphones and all. >The NYC show was pretty dead too, though the horrible venue was jam- >packed with people, with beer bottles littering the floor were we were >standing. > >Oh yeah, to liven things up between acts, ear-damaging electronic >music was blasted at us at sonic level much higher than any of the >bands achieved . Same electronic music played in Cleveland, but not so loud. Cornilus (sp) rocked! Dead on videos in complete rythym with their songs. >Were the Lips lacking their drummer for the other shows? I thought >that it was pretty lame that they used a recording in his place. That was the sucky thing. I had a 2 hour drive back to Toledo, so I missed the Lips, so I dunno about the drummer. >Robyn looked really tired when he sang... Yes, I saw Robyn before the show and he looked very tired. Good performance, however. Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 07:47:42 -0700 From: "Kenneth Johnson" Subject: re: Wembley jon wrote:> > > PS Did anyone ever decide whether the two towers were Orthanc and > > Barad-dur, or Minas Tirith and Minas Morgul? Or some other >permutation of > > these? > I remember seeing somewhere that the makers of the films were taking the title to refer to Orthanc and Barad-dur (sorry no rooftops). One can imagine the pairing to be mutable. There are several permutations of towers as foils in the book. I don't know which the author meant specifically or he if meant it to be specific at all. Any Tolkien scholars on board?. December 18th hurry here!!!!! Kenneth ************************************ "What does a man need - really need? A few pounds of food each day, heat and shelter, six feet to lie down in, and some form of working activity that will yield a sense of accomplishment. That's all - in the material sense. And we know it. But we are brainwashed by our economic system until we end up in a tomb beneath a pyramid of time payments, mortgages, and preposterous gadgetry, playthings that divert our attention from the sheer idiocy of the charade." --Sterling Hayden "Reconsider your definitions. We are prone to judge success by the index of our salaries or the size of our automobiles rather than by the quality of our service and relationship to mankind." --Martin Luther King Jr. "And if you can't shape your life the way you want, at least try as much as you can not to degrade it by too much contact with the world, by too much activity and talk. Try not to degrade it by dragging it along, taking it around and exposing it so often to the daily silliness of social events and parties, until it comes to seem a boring hanger-on" --C.P. Cavafy (translated from the Greek by Edmund Keeley and Philip Sherrard) ************************************* _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 10:54:44 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: Strings Here's my quick take on the lyrics to Strings (is this up elsewhere?)-- STRINGS strings, strings, strings I've got my mojo and I am a part of the action oh strings got [god? gone?] every black dog that slinks through your undergrowth strings each time I see you I peel off another excuse strings father in heaven or father in purgatory see what you see from the hill of the dead look into this little glass family strings, strings harmony ruins a bloody good racket and this little egg was distorted by mother strings I know I'm right but I just couldn't argue arguing makes me blow up like a victim strings [break] evil is the new enemy, evil is the new bad evil is the new enemy, evil is the new bad swing your partners round and round just inches above the ground kiss me quickly wish me luck detonating in a ten ton truck love me tender on the roof afterwards there'll be no proof take your partner by the middle like a burger on a griddle if you would retaliate just remember love is hate cut, cut mother is coming she wants to be friends so all of the poison can get in you strings she's got a map of you she knows the pressure points I wish that I was just paranoid I wish that I was just paranoid - --- I think in a way it's the antimatter negative of "Take This in Remembrance" that was on the disk w/ Middle Class Hero-- "these are relationships and these are the strings they tie you up and feed you these are the soft blind fumbling souls and daddy oh they need you" Humans mess with each other, but it's pretty positive there. In "Strings" it's kinda brutal. Robyn takes the point of view of a terrorist. "...wish me luck detonating in a ten ton truck" The lines shortly after "take your partner by the middle like a burger on a griddle" sound silly or even sexy out of context, but not so when next to stuff that seems to refer to "recent events." "if you would retaliate just remember love is hate" This reminds me of his statement (at the Edinborough Fringe? reported on list) "killing more won't bring back the dead." But here it seems to be deliberately extreme. It makes me think of the earlier line "I just couldn't argue/ arguing makes me blow up like a victim" "love is hate" sounds like he's trying to argue but blowing up. It certainly puts a harsh light on things we supposedly do for the good of others. He also gives Mum & Dad Hell, or at least Purgatory. The whole song sounds sorta like "hell is other people" (Sartre, right?). Or that social interaction is crazier than medical crazyness "I wish I was just paranoid." Like the British doctor at the end of Bridge Over the River Kwai, saying "Madness! Madness!" Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:55:29 -0000 From: "melissa" Subject: Re: mr kennedy Brian said: > Were all the shows this dead? It was a great concept tour, with the > Flaming Lips and the headphones and all. I don't know about all of them but the DC show was the worst Robyn performance I can remember. He looked really haggard and tired. I had one friend who refused to go to anymore of his shows with me after that. It felt like a waste of money since I was too tired to stay for the flaming lips and didn't like cornelius and sebadoh. melissa ------------------------------ Date: 3 Oct 2002 08:24:34 -0700 From: "Scott McCleary" Subject: Bass-o-matic -- a theory I think the West's penchant for bass instruments comes from our notion of harmony growing out of polyphonic sacred music, which for a long time was strictly vocal (and as we all know, poppa sang bass). There really AREN'T that many bass instruments outside of western music that you couldn't also characterize as percussion to my knowledge. Maybe we'er the only ones dumb enough to lug the things around. Most of them are, after all, huge. Anyone interested in where the two cultures cross on the topic should search out Renaud Garcia Fons' fine disc "Oriental Bass" - -- one of my faves. Scott (whose father-in-law is a bassist, and whose mother-in-law's maiden name is Bass) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 15:51:59 +0000 From: "Golden Hind" Subject: NDL leerics et more Wells paraphrasing Robynh on "Sudden Town" >'it's about the supreme triumph of the existential ego; the idea (is) that you're not moving through the >world, th world is moving around you...you haven't gone anywhere, yet suddenly this >town appears before you.' He also said that 'I don't know why I bother >explaining things, I could be talking complete crap up here' so take that >with some salt, The song's full of movement, and not just in the music. What I noticed was the repeating rhythms in the things in the visual imagery: -- rivets, archways, railings, posts, holes -- all these things come in repetive patterns that you can move along(or can move thru you) till, well, suddenly, they're not. And its good he explains things. Im not saying I'll always take author intent over my own bent imaginings, but hey--its nice to know. >I'll go back to my gut feeling, that "butler" is a mechanism >that's bringing some images/thoughts/feelings - the "diamonds" - out from >memory/dreamland (the "eleven carriages" of the brain, bravo to whoever got >that one right). That works for me, but I see that meaning as congruent with the sexual imagery, not antithical to it. The best symbols work on several levels at once. >And what is LeShea? The stadium for the Mets French-Canadian farm team? Grrrrr. Bad Wells. Very bad Wells. Quail: >Just for the record, it was not me who suggested the Nipponese commander >question would be a submarine captain. I have absolutely no >idea what the >hell Robyn means by this one, unless he's waking any sleeping giants, or >planning to do some modern whaling.... Hmm, did I send it my JC comments. I remember writing them up but I dont remember seeing them. Hmmm, am I lost in the unmapped swamps of the Liberynth too;-? Also --I hope JC is not some ref to that squalling earfull of Japanese kids on the same tour that spawned "Mr Kennnedy." Oh man do I hope not;-) Robyn looked disgusted, heavier than I've ever seen him(which at our age usually means dispirited) and tired in Philly. His set was ridicoulously short but magnificent. We left right after. My head was throbbing from the kids and the, yes, unbearibly loud in-between-sets music(and I had earplugs in for that.) "Strings" "I just couldn't argue/ arguing makes me blow up like a victim" I connect this to "...wish me luck detonating in a ten ton truck" One of the things I love about this song is how its all sorta disconnected sounding till the final bit about wishing I were just paranoid. Thats when the harmonies kick in and wreck the raqcket. I think its one of the funnest, saddest and truest lines he's ever written. My question is, is the racket used on MMICTYD's tennis court? Or is it also a racket as in an illegal trick? Ross: >Or that social interaction is crazier than medical crazyness "I wish I was >just paranoid." Thats how I hear it. Especially family(and there are many ways to see family)social interaction. Thanks for that quote. I figured st(r)ings meant something like that. I also couldnt help thinking of the old Richard Rodgers song-- "No strings, no strings, except our own emotions." - ---------------------------- James: >I went dscanning recent digests for some of the earlier messages. >Then >thought "Earnest? Deb?". I hope the early list of occult types >(Waite,Yeats, etc) also included Mathers, Westcott, Felkin, and Machen I think I shall continue the thread... Well, you're right, but where the thread was orgininally coming from is "Earnest" had disparged the books that get filed under "New Age" in bookstores. I had given him an earlier list of books in that section by authors he might find engaging. I was only listing authors whose works are commonly available and would be of interest to someone unfamiliar with the history of the occult(so no Eliphas Levi either, etc.) Mathers on the Kabballa(which is all I usually see in bookstores) is important but not in this context, similar situation for Felkin and Westcott. I was an idiot to forget Machen thou(he's at least avaialble in libraries.) >Sounds like an interesting list, BTW. What is it? For fiction I think I also mentioned Elizabeth Hand(who Ross T reced to me,)Dion Fortune(thou she has to be read with a sense of period,) Eco and the Illumanatti stuff. For non-fiction --ahh, my minds blanking. The Matthews and Bob Stewart? Obviously I mentioned Yates and Regardie. Gareth Knight and John Mitchell also, I think. I should have mentioned thou, that Im pretty allergic to any writings, by any authors, that involve taking vampires, crop-circles, Blatavaski-type invisible masters or aliens at all seriously(thou I love crop-circles as trickster art.) Im not sure why. My weaknesses are for Arthurian, hermeticiasm and alchemy, mysticism and sacred geometry. Im not sure why. Kay, who observes more than accuses The babble that we think we mean CS Lewis _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:21:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Japanese Captain On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Russ Reynolds wrote: > Let it roll. Oooh - that's pretty close to what the one guy said on the plane that crashed (and which phrase was later copyrighted forchrissakes). D'ya think George *knew*? He was, of course, spiritually in tune with the grand flummeries and all that... - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Sting, where is thy death?:: __Alan Gray_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:23:01 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Me 'n' my musical daughter. Kay: >>Youve now lived out in tandem the textbook observation that we sing before >>we talk. Music before words. It's been cool. I've always played guitar but it was Miranda's birth that started me singing along with it, as in actually learning the words to the songs I was gonna sing. I used to play and sing her to sleep but then she became too interested to be lulled by it and now she sings along and sometimes hammers on another guitar or banjo and goes "ayyyyohhhhh" during the breaks. Her mom is a much better singer than I, in a completely different idiom, but not a player. I just really wanted her not to grow up thinking of music as something that came out of a black box, but to be aware that people made it, and could make it any time and for any reason they wanted. Seems like something that might be getting lost these days. Probably relates to growing up with a musician father, particularly one who was primarily a singer and acoustic guitarist. Portable music, you know. Now, what I play for her... that's a whole 'nother story. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:25:11 -0700 From: andrew Subject: 'n' rowl >From: Brian > >Is there anyone on this list who doesn't like Strings? Yo. I don't hate it, and I agree it's one of the more energized and interesting tracks, but it hasn't really thrilled me yet. Then again, _A Can of Bees_ took many listens to grab hold of me, so it might just be a matter of time. While we're calling for moratoria, may I request one on the semi-ironic misspelling "rawk"? Either it rocks or it doesn't, and I don't think saying so instantly transmutes the speaker into Joe Anchower surrounded by REO Speedwagon cassettes. "Rawk" just looks so ugly on my screen, and I can't imagine ever wanting to hear a sound that was described using it. Thank you for your attention. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 12:29:43 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Saturday's Chameleons Show Kathy & I will be going to the Chameleons show at Maxwell's in Hoboken on Sat. If anyone is interested in getting together for a meal or drinks beforehand, contact us off list. Thanks, Max _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:42:18 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Rheostatics/Beachwood Sparks da9ve: >>I loves me some Rheostatics. Never really heard of them until I was pointed to "Saskastchewan" for the "ghost ship" project. Liked it... but can anyone describe their general sound without using the word "Canadian"? Ironically, I do like Beachwood Sparks as well, but I would have a really hard time describing them without the phrase "Southern Californian..." Still, if you only have time to check out one small-label So Cal band of the 21st Century, I steer you towards the Negro Problem first and foremost. Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:25:06 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: 'n' rowl Drew wrote: >I don't hate it, and I agree it's one of the more energized and >interesting tracks, but it hasn't really thrilled me yet. Then >again, _A Can of Bees_ took many listens to grab hold of me, >so it might just be a matter of time. Speaking of Can of Bees, I wonder when we will be treated to a re-mastering, double CD/multiple LP release from Matador? Probably in 2004 as a 25th anniversary celebration. I would like to see it next year though, to keep the momentum going. Michael NP The Three O'Clock Arrive Before Traveling/Ever After I am a longtime Paisley Underground fan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:26:48 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: at least one at every meeting. GREAT FALLS, Montana (AP) -- Montana's Libertarian candidate for Senate has turned blue from drinking a silver solution that he believed would protect him from disease. Stan Jones,a 63-year-old business consultant and part-time college instructor, said he started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear that Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics...... http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/02/offbeat.blue.candidate/index.html ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #313 ********************************