From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #312 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, October 3 2002 Volume 11 : Number 312 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Voices carry... ["Rex.Broome" ] Opening the door ["Golden Hind" ] RE: fegmaniax-digest V11 #311 ["Rex.Broome" ] re: Wembley ["Jonathan Fetter" ] Wembley ["Marc Holden" ] Re: NDL Vinyl ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: #310 [Eb ] Japanese Captain and others ["Kenneth Johnson" ] RE: Oh... Canada [HSatterfld@aol.com] Re: NDL Vinyl [Ken Weingold ] Re: Parsin' the Lyrics ["Chris Franz" ] sharing a trough... [Ken Ostrander ] Re: Wembley [Tom Clark ] Wembley, Why, and Waite [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Nextdoorguitarland [Brian ] Re: Towers ["Michael Wells" ] Re: Return of Son of Late for the Parade, part 1 (0% RH) ["da9ve stovall"] mr kennedy [Brian ] Review transcript: The Soft Boys -- Once More With Feeling [rosso@videot] Re: Return of Son of Late for the Parade, part 1 (0% RH) [rosso@videotron] Speaking of The Wall soundtrack [Ken Weingold ] Japanese Captain ["Russ Reynolds" ] the only Elvis that matters... ["Marc Holden" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #311 ["Brian Hoare" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:27:47 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Voices carry... Kay: >>I did it. I sent a message meant for another LS to Feg, in this case cause I >>mentioned Feg on it (defending the honor of computer geeks) so it was on my >>mind so ... Ah, but it were great. Like picking up the phone and overhearing someone talking about you when they don't know you're listening in. Plus we got a peek into your other concerns. AND you got some answers! Everybody wins! - -Rex (considering posting the shopping list his wife just e-mailed to see if anyone will pick this stuff up for me and drop it by my house...) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 18:50:15 +0000 From: "Golden Hind" Subject: Opening the door Godwin, JFTR, your Aristotelian logic is impeccable;-). Motown Raga, that made my day. - --------------------- Rex: >But I've had a very musical relationship with my first daughter in a lot of >ways, so that helps. Describe? Youve now lived out in tandem the textbook observation that we sing before we talk. Music before words. Its funny, pregnency overturned my old self, giving birth overturned that newer self and then constant contact with a non-verbal creature during infancy overturned that newest self. All three washed away words into sensations. I've never thought how it would effect a musician. - -------------------- James--I didnt even know Sam Phillips and Jane Siberry were Canadian. And how in blazes did I leave out Lenord Cohen? Good joke. - -------------------- Stewarts possibility on JC: >one of those Japanese soldiers who kept "fighting" on remote pacific >islands long after WWII was done. I like that, it makes the song even that much more poignent. It also brings in the time prescence/abscence thing(ILL and Strings, wait, more. Most of the songs here have time refs in them.) This poor sod is still working it, even thou the war was so, so long ago. Hmmm--and who hasn't ever remained in love or in some other kind of statis even while knowing the moment for it is long gone? Or gone on fighting some battle that dosnt need to be fought? But I also like Quail's observation about the JC maybe being a submarine captain(especially since some of the music sounds like sonar.) Something down in the depths. Could it be both? A Japanese Submarine Captain working in a dark unconsious sea, unaware that time has past? Perhaps caught in the same screw-up as when young? I also couldn't help noticing that it makes the initials J.C. -- but then - -I- would, wouldnt I. Dosn't mean anyone else would(well, maybe Dolf;-). So How do you let yourself go? Or is that on the next record? This would be useful information:-) I hope theres another Soft Boys record. I love the basic bass/drums/2 guitars sound. Its elegent and classic and can't be beat. And I love "Japanese Captain." But then I love every song on Nextdoorland. The reason Ive shyed away from writing a review is I'd gush, and I really hate gush. And on that note ... Kay _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:57:36 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: RE: fegmaniax-digest V11 #311 Ross T: >>PIB & "Why" both feature swooping bass drones. >>I don't think that's in Indian music -- maybe >>Arabic? Maybe just what else can the bass >>player do? I think you nailed the explanation there. But here's another ethnomusicologically related question: just where culturally does the insistence on a bass instrument come in? (Talking mostly about folk & roots forms here, not classical.) My dad the folkie taught me early on that you needed a rhythm instrument, a lead instrument, a bass instrument and percussion (if you must), and that is largely true in American roots music. That oompah Mexican music I mentioned earlier has bass in the form of the guitarron, a crazy instrument if there ever was one (enormous 6-string bass acoustic guitar); presumably there's a Spanish equivalent. Traditional European music seems to be able to take or leave the bass, but it's easily adaptable to it (follow the roots of the chord sequece). But is there any traditional role for a bass instrument in Arabic or Eastern music? Or is that role kind of covered by the "drones" that are way more prevalent in that music (as in the drone strings on a sitar)? OR do the larger, bassier drums and/or tablas take that role, since there's less need for the bass noise to follow chords? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:20:30 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Parsin' the lyrics >>And tell me that he didn't shout 'in the old ERECTION' on tour... :-p That's how I have thus far heard it on the record m'self. >>"The butler emerges from the hole" Now, that one I heard as "hall"... but I guess it ain't... Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:21:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: re: Wembley > PS Did anyone ever decide whether the two towers were Orthanc and > Barad-dur, or Minas Tirith and Minas Morgul? Or some other permutation of > these? I believe it refers to the former two, though I don't have my geek hat on today. Jon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:25:53 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Wembley >To a Wembley lad like me, twin towers means only one thing, the entrance >to Wembley Stadium. And they're pulling it down! The only memorable >structure left from the 1924-25 Empire Exhibition (indeed, the only >memorable structure in the whole of Wembley) and it's being demolished. >Last time I went there was the 1990 Stones show; the Velvet >Underground only played the Empire Pool (whoops, I mean Wembley Arena). >http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=topnews&StoryID=1512718 >http://www.geocities.com/londondestruction/wemb.html Well, that's bad news. I only saw one show there (Live Aid--July 13, 1985) and was really impressed with the venue. Robyn/Soft Boys related stuff?--Matthew Seligman played bass for Bowie that day (and Thomas Dolby was on keyboards), so the first time I ever saw a member of the Soft Boys live, I wasn't even aware of who they were at the time. BTW, contrary to what John Wesley Harding sings, Julian Lennon did not appear, but he was scheduled to play. He did get the part about Paul McCartney's (and Bob Geldof's) microphone going out right. Later, Marc Whether they ever find life there or not, I think Jupiter should be considered an enemy planet. Jack Handey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:04:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: NDL Vinyl > Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 00:26:26 -0700 > From: "Marc Holden" > Subject: Re: NDL Vinyl > > I also have 8 different pressings of Dark Side of the Moon and 10 different > Sgt. Pepper's. So *you* are the reason I can't find a decent Sgt. Pepper's mono or early Harvest DSOTM LP; you own all of them. Give us other collectors a break, will ya? OT: Macca is planning a "Let It Be" reissue in 2003, and the Floyd are planning a massive DSOTM reissue package on 03/03/03, maybe SACD or DVD-A, maybe the quad mix. So you'll have a few more pressings to buy. Are there any notable sonic differences between different pressings of the original UM vinyl? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:04:05 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: #310 >From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) > >Happy birthday, Eb. Thank you. It was a rather rotten birthday, to be honest, thanks to a bout with post-dinner nausea. I canceled some evening plans, as a result. >And it's good to have you up and contributing regularly again, too. (How >come that passed without comment???) Well, gee, did you miss the part where I was accused of driving all the women off the list? Made me feel right welcome, it did. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 13:24:57 -0700 From: "Kenneth Johnson" Subject: Japanese Captain and others re: J.C. I posit that it refers to a tireless, loyal devotee willing to do anything for the object of affection. Japanese Captain, along with "Dark Princess", is another "dear yoko type" song for Robyn. not similar in style or sound, but theme. NDL upon first listen left me lukewarm. With several repeat listens, it began to grow on me. It still doesn't strike me as an amazing album, but surely a solid and promising effort. "Strings" is like a Soft Boys knock off or parody, but it is probably my favorite of the bunch, along with La Cherite (not actually a French word AFAIK) and Mind is Connected. My least fav. as of now, has to be Mr Kennedy with its boring Robyn-esque lyrics and uninspired guitar outro, and also Sudden Town *yawn*. Can I call for a moratorium on "rock star road/tour" songs? This would sink the entire Oasis oeuvre mercifully. Kenneth ************************************ "What does a man need - really need? A few pounds of food each day, heat and shelter, six feet to lie down in, and some form of working activity that will yield a sense of accomplishment. That's all - in the material sense. And we know it. But we are brainwashed by our economic system until we end up in a tomb beneath a pyramid of time payments, mortgages, and preposterous gadgetry, playthings that divert our attention from the sheer idiocy of the charade." --Sterling Hayden "Reconsider your definitions. We are prone to judge success by the index of our salaries or the size of our automobiles rather than by the quality of our service and relationship to mankind." --Martin Luther King Jr. ************************************* _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 16:29:05 -0400 From: HSatterfld@aol.com Subject: RE: Oh... Canada The new Lynn Miles CD is one of the best of the year IMHO. And Emm Gryner does the definitive version of "Pour Some Sugar On Me" on piano. If somewhat reluctantly. Hollie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:28:20 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: NDL Vinyl On Wed, Oct 2, 2002, Eugene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > OT: Macca is planning a "Let It Be" reissue in 2003, and the Floyd are planning > a massive DSOTM reissue package on 03/03/03, maybe SACD or DVD-A, maybe the > quad mix. So you'll have a few more pressings to buy. I wish these fuckers would stop reissuing everything and put out a Wall soundtrack already. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:28:58 -0700 From: "Chris Franz" Subject: Re: Parsin' the Lyrics Rex: >>And tell me that he didn't shout 'in the old ERECTION' on tour... :-p > >That's how I have thus far heard it on the record m'self. I was watching Kimberley when they played "He's a Reptile" on the last tour somewhere north of here, and I'd swear, just by reading lips, that he was backing up Robyn by singing "He's erectile." Later somebody pointed out that that sort of tweaking is done a lot to avoid the various singers hitting the "p" sound at slightly different times, the result of which wouldn't sound very good. - - Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 16:33:16 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: sharing a trough... this afternoon i was listening rather loudly to _nextdoorland_ while i was scanning course evaluations. one of my coworkers overheard and asked what i was listening to. she's heard of robyn and the egyptians and so i let her borrow it for a while. she said she thought it was a good album and that she would have to remember the soft boys. yowsah. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 14:13:52 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Wembley on 10/2/02 12:25 PM, Marc Holden at mholden666@earthlink.net wrote: > Well, that's bad news. I only saw one show there (Live Aid--July 13, 1985) > and was really impressed with the venue. Robyn/Soft Boys related > stuff?--Matthew Seligman played bass for Bowie that day (and Thomas Dolby > was on keyboards), > Hands down, Bowie's "Heroes" was the best performance of Live Aid. I'm glad Matthew was a part of it. > Whether they ever find life there or not, I think Jupiter should be > considered an enemy planet. Jack Handey OK, that's the funniest one so far. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:10:16 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Wembley, Why, and Waite >To a Wembley lad like me, twin towers means only one thing, the entrance >to Wembley Stadium. And they're pulling it down! The only memorable >structure left from the 1924-25 Empire Exhibition (indeed, the only >memorable structure in the whole of Wembley) and it's being demolished. >Last time I went there was the 1990 Stones show; the Velvet >Underground only played the Empire Pool (whoops, I mean Wembley Arena). this is very sad. And they didn't even manage to save the towers, let alone the thirty-nine steps. Highbury's next to go, I believe. - --- >PIB & "Why" both feature swooping bass drones. >I don't think that's in Indian music -- maybe >Arabic? Maybe just what else can the bass >player do? it is for this reason also that I think of the Mossy Liquor version of "Beautiful Queen" as having that Arabic quality - the violin part has this sort of swooping feel. - --- Kay - s'aright. That message fits right in with discussions here. In fact, I went dscanning recent digests for some of the earlier messages. Then thought "Earnest? Deb?". I hope the early list of occult types (Waite, Yeats, etc) also included Mathers, Westcott, Felkin, and Machen I think I shall continue the thread... can I recommend a quick look at: >To me, "Occult" differs markedly from "New Age". When I think of Occult, >I think of the older generation of occultists like Aleister Crowley, >Regardie, and A. E. Waite, men who, whatever their faults, were at least >literate, and educated. very definitely. A friend of mine, who's very 'old school wicca', shall we say, describes anything vaguely New Age as 'wifty' and to its folowers as 'The Nouveau Witch'. Sounds like an interesting list, BTW. What is it? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:08:16 -0400 From: Brian Subject: Re: Nextdoorguitarland Nice review Rex. I'm with ya. I hadn't thought about Perspex Island being the last rockin' album, but now that I think about it you're right. Glen and I were just chatting about PI and we both agreed that the songs were great, but the (over)production/mix sucked. I will say, not being a big fan of PI, that the live show from that tour did rawk, and so do the *songs* on the album. It is a rock and roll band doing those songs. Respect was a soft over produced kitchen album, but I still dig it more than PI. >It's >as if, when you slot Kimberly back in there and he starts with those snakey >fills and galloping riffs, Robyn says, "Oh yeah, I gotta do me some of that >too," and you go instantly from an REM/Smiths dynamic to the >Television/Voidoids/um, Soft Boys dynamic of guitar interplay. We haven't >heard Robyn play this kind of guitar for a long time. Some of the stuff he >plays here we've *never* heard before. Well put Rex. I'm right with Rex about Moss Exlixer. That was the last RH released I absolutely loved. Nextdoorland I absolutely love. Completely different, but the same love. A few years ago I never ever thought the Soft Boys, especially this line up, would ever tour, let alone get in a studio again. Maybe this excitement still clouds my feelings on NDL, but if that's the case I'm taking full advantage it. Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:07:07 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: Towers > > PS Did anyone ever decide whether the two towers were Orthanc and > > Barad-dur, or Minas Tirith and Minas Morgul? Or some other > permutation of > > these? > > I believe it refers to the former two, though I don't have my geek hat > on today. It's the permutation one; from the endnotes to 'Fellowhip': "The second part is called The Two Towers, since the events recounted in it are dominated by Orthanc, the citadel of Saruman, and the fortress of Minas Morgul that guards the secret entrance to Mordor" It is the same in both editions I have (Ballantine paperback, H-M hardbound). Michael "how about The Four Towers?" Wells ------------------------------ Date: 2 Oct 2002 16:36:52 -0700 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: Re: Return of Son of Late for the Parade, part 1 (0% RH) >From: rosso@videotron.ca >>On 1 Oct 2002 at 16:01, Golden Hind wrote: >> Joni Mitchell! Ian and Sylvia. The Rheostats. The Skydiggers. I think >> theres a band Ive heard of on Feg called -- Rush, is it? >Just so people might check them out -- it's the >Rheostatics. Pretty good stuff. I loves me some Rheostatics. In all earnestness (and not that bubbling over with such superlatives is necessarily the best way to get others credibly interested in a band, but so be it), I'd have a hard time arguing that their 1992 album _Whale Music_ isn't one of the top ten or so rock albums ever. Immaculate, warm production, intricate, sensitive and more-than-occasionally rawking playing and songs, great lyrics and full of ideas, a way with metaphor and a wry, self-deprecating sense of humor. And I love Martin Tielli's voice - a bit of David Bowie, a bit of, oh, I don't know who else, but he's got a striking voice. Besides, any album containing a song crediting backing vocals to "The Pyramid of Stupidity Singers" can't be all bad. da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:44:01 -0400 From: Brian Subject: mr kennedy I thought I'd mention that I saw the show in Cleveland where Sebadoh backed Robyn on a few songs back in 99. Coming into Cleveland Riding in the van with Sebadoh Tell me Mr Kennedy Have you ever seen the clouds so low? Man, what a dead show. The place was pretty empty. I'm glad this song spawned from that tour, however. I guess it gives some personal meaning. Were all the shows this dead? It was a great concept tour, with the Flaming Lips and the headphones and all. - --- All I can say to those of you who have trouble hearing Matthew's bass: ya all need a new stereo or sumthin! I have absolutely no problem hearing his bass -unlike on the tour last year. That's where I had the trouble hearing his bass. Is there anyone on this list who doesn't like Strings? I think it's the one song we all agree on. Nuppy np: Nextdoorland ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 00:03:03 -0400 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Review transcript: The Soft Boys -- Once More With Feeling (Chuck Molgat, Exclaim! magazine) Robyn Hitchcock can hardly believe it's been 22 years since the Soft Boys last recorded an album together -- he insists it feels more like 30. "You could probably fit all four of us then into a pair of trousers that one of us is wearing now", says the famously eccentric guitarist/vocalist, on the phone from his home in London's West End. "And we're not even particularly overweight". Last year, the seminal UK oddball art-rockers delighted fans across North America with a reunion tour that coincided with the CD reissue of the band's long out-of-print 1980 swansong album, "Underwater Moonlight". Now, the quartet is setting out on the road again, this time in support of its brand new album, "Nextdoorland", on Matador. Although the chronology of events may suggest "Nextdoorland" was inspired by the band's successful comeback tour, Hitchcock says a new recording was part and parcel of the reunion effort from day one. "From my point of view what was going to be exciting about it was not just squeezing back into our old clothes to perform "Insanely Jealous" and "I Want To Destroy You", but to actually arrange some new songs and to have the Soft Boys as, if you like, a vintage streetcar that wasn't just sitting in a museum, but was actually grooving up and down the tin rails", he says. "I think it's nice when old things can still move around." Most of the material on "Nextdoorland" was rehearsed prior to last year's tour, even though the album wasn't recorded until afterwards. "Underwater Moonlight" producer Pat Collier engineered the sessions and co-produced with the band at his south London studio. Although the whole routine may smack of a nostalgia trip, Hitchcock says heading out on the road with the Soft Boys is rather contrary to the band's modus operandi of yore. "We never did a real tour in our lifetime," he says. "We managed to get to New York in 1980 for a few gigs and then we disintegrated no long after. That was the only time we made it overseas at all. We hardly even played outside of London and Cambridge. As far as future Soft Boys releases are concerned, Hitchcock encourages fans not to hold their breath. "There isn't a Soft Boys grand strategy," he says. "Whatever we do, we do, but it won't be on a career basis. I would liken it to a sort of lovely old piece of wood. If you don't stand on it too heavily, it won't break. So I'm sure we'll do bits and pieces, but we're certainly not going to become an album, tour, album, tour kind of concern. It's not a matter of policy. This is the first on ewe've done for ages, so I would just say enjoy this one. We never thought we would get as far as this. We're just checking in with time, really. The way things are going two shakes of a table cloth and we'll all vanish." - -- I got blisters on my fingers! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 00:27:38 -0400 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: Return of Son of Late for the Parade, part 1 (0% RH) On 2 Oct 2002 at 16:36, da9ve stovall wrote: > In all earnestness (and not that bubbling over with such superlatives > is necessarily the best way to get others credibly interested > in a band, but so be it), I'd have a hard time arguing that their > 1992 album _Whale Music_ isn't one of the top ten or so rock > albums ever. I'll agree with da81/3^2ve here: Whale Music is the album that made me realise how good this band is. I bought it for something like $1 or $2 US. Of all my acquaintences, only my brother-in-law the alternative DJ even knows who they are. He also like Beechwood Sparks a lot. He played some for me, and I think they're pretty good, too. I'll have to hear some more before I know if it's really love. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 00:36:39 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Speaking of The Wall soundtrack I was playing with this software for Mac OS X called Audio Hijack and ripped a couple of songs from The Wall DVD. I think they sound a bit flat, but the software has all sorts of audio tools to play with it. For the Floyd fans here, let me know what you think. http://e-this.net:8080/visible/In%20The%20Flesh.mp3 http://e-this.net:8080/visible/What%20Shall%20We%20Do%20Now.mp3 Sorry it's gonna be a bit slow, but my DSL is limited to about 15k up. I would save the files before playing them. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 23:11:09 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Japanese Captain Has anyone yet been able to determine what he's mumbling at the end of Japanese Captain? I keep hearing it as "Sir Frankie Crisp" but that's just my personal auditory illusion, brought on by the similar chord structure and texture at that point in the song. So what's he really say?? Let it roll. - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:59:35 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: the only Elvis that matters... Please forgive the off-topic ranting here. Just wanted to let you know that if you get a chance to catch the current Elvis Costello tour, don't miss it for anything. Sell a kidney if that's what it takes. I just got back from the Phoenix concert. It was the shortest 2 1/2 hour show I can recall seeing--time just flew by. It just was fucking great the entire way through. Elvis was in great voice and a great mood. The song selection was just excellent, and the arrangements seemed more jamming oriented than usual. Great dynamics--they really rocked out then still managed to get the place quiet enough that there was silence where it was effective. I hung out after the show for a few minutes, and Pete Thomas and Elvis both signed my program for me. I'm really glad there was a show of this quality near my house for once--less than an hour ago, the band was just finishing the show. Man, what a great fucking show, Marc If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is "God is crying." And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to tell him is "Probably because of something you did." Jack Handey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 08:41:18 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #311 Russ Reynolds: >Would love to see these guys make an appearance on SNL. I'd rather they made it to the new series (october) of Mr Hollands' Later but that's just because I wont get to see SNL. The Great Quail >"You can tell what time it is by looking yourself in the eye" > >Which sort of reminds me of Dylan's "You don't need a weatherman to tell >which way the wind blows" for some reason... > That's the line that has stuck in my head since I first heard it, probably on the Baltimore boot that some kind soul put up for ftp way back. I find the lyric to Pulse quite fascinating and compelling but quite indirect. My favourite lyric on the cd. Mike summed it up well. >On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Golden Hind wrote: > > I have not read -all- of Tolkein(or close to it.) Has this bit been > > published anywhere? Did he call it Atlantis or Numenor(correctly >spelled, of > > course;-)? > >My guess is that The Notion Club Papers is the written fragment. It >doesn't amount to much, there's a discussion of space travel and one of >the characters (Arundel / Earendel) starts to dream in an old unknown >language, and then it fizzles out. JRRT also mentions in a letter >somewhere that he has a recurring dream of a country being overwhelmed by >flood. I suspect he read "The story of the amulet" at an impressionable >age. See: My guess is the story may be The Lost Road from the fifth of Christopher Tolkien's collections. I haven't read it as I only got to book 4 of these. A bibliography describes it as "The title story is the earlier version of Tolkien's Atlantis legend, the fall of Nzmenor" so it may be quite a long/coherant piece. Seeing as the Silmarillion was the first thing he started to write and the last thing he completed, being submitted to publishers a number of times it is quite possible that the fall of Numenor played a greater role in it. It is quite odd reading these "how it got there" bits, seeing how the stories develop and entwine, also interesting to see how they are altered to allow LotR developments and how The Hobbit that was not composed as part of the Middle Earth stories got fitted into these to allow LotR to have that depth of background. I personally doubt if T wrote another Atlantis story as well, it is too much of a Classical tale whereas T drew mainly from Scandanavian/Germanic ideas. To bring this ramble to the end, the Numenor story is relevant to LotR because the royal house of Gondor are descendants of the lords of Numenor, the white tree of Gondor was grown in Numenor, the destruction of Numenor by the Valar (the gods) caused them such grief that they resolved to never get directly involved in ME again, but did create a council of Maia (kind of angels in the divine heirachy, Sauron was one) called the Istari to help things along - these are the wizards Gandalf (olorin), Saruman, Radagast and 4 unnamed. I only reread Silmarillion about every five years but I'm pretty confident in the above. >Rex: >It's the guitars... >It's as if, when you slot Kimberly back in there and he starts with those >snakey fills and galloping riffs, Robyn says, "Oh yeah, I gotta do me some >of that too," ... We haven't heard Robyn play this kind of guitar for a >long time. Some of the stuff he plays here we've *never* heard before. >And Kimberly... well, Kimberly Rewls. As an album I'm rating it about 8/10 at the moment but it is obviously going to be monstrously good live. I'm not to be able to make the Winchester gig, which pisses me off massively, so they'd better not implode over Iceland and make sure that do proper UK tour. With NDL/Side 3 and UM to pick from the upcoming tour may well be even better than the last. Brian _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #312 ********************************