From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #310 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, October 1 2002 Volume 11 : Number 310 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Multi-culti breakdown [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: #308 [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Jefferson Airplane snazne drustvene himne poput ... [Michael R Godwin ] [none] ["Golden Hind" ] re: NDL Vinyl [bayard ] Late for the Parade, part 1 ["Golden Hind" ] re: NDL Vinyl [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: NDL Vinyl [Steve Talkowski ] NDL, UM, punctuation ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: NDL Vinyl [Ken Weingold ] Re: NDL Vinyl [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Late for the Parade, part 1 [The Great Quail ] RE: NDL Vinyl ["Brian Huddell" ] Re: NDL Vinyl [Steve Talkowski ] RE: Late for the Parade, part 1 ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Late for the Parade, part 1 [Ken Ostrander ] Re: Late for the Parade, part 1 [rosso@videotron.ca] soft boys on wfmu! [dances with virgos ] Re: NDL Vinyl [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Max Webster [The Great Quail ] Re: Late for the Parade, part 1 [The Great Quail ] RE: Late for the Parade, part 1 ["Timothy Reed" ] Belated wishes and Nextdoorland [Jill Brand ] Ents & Oliphants [steve ] Re: Late for the Parade, part 1 [Jeff Dwarf ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:48:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Multi-culti breakdown "Rex.Broome" wrote: > BTW: Re: "Paint It, Black": do the new US reissues restore the comma > to the title? Anyone? It's there on _singles/london yrs._ dunno about Hot Rocks, Aftermath US, etc. ===== "If we don't allow journalists, politicians, and every two-bit Joe Schmo with a cause to grandstand by using 9-11 as a lame rhetorical device, then the terrorists have already won." -- "Shredder" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:22:45 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: #308 Happy birthday, Eb. And it's good to have you up and contributing regularly again, too. (How come that passed without comment???) James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:58:05 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Jefferson Airplane snazne drustvene himne poput ... On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > Grace's maiden name was Wing -- Slick came from her first husband, > Jerry who was in The Great Society with her, and his brother Darby, who > wrote "Somebody to Love." My copy of _Surrealistic Pillow,_ for what > it's worth lists both Grace and Darby's first names in the songwriting > credits. Thanks to Jeff and Eb for correcting me on this. Sometimes my old info turns out to have been garbled during those fabulous sixties, either by the UK underground press or by me. But as I say, my copy of "Somebody to Love" (not 'White Rabbit', my mistake) just lists 'Slick' as the composer. "In loyalty to their kind They cannot tolerate our minds In loyalty to our kind We cannot tolerate their obstruction" crash thwang twang... Doesn't Lou Reed have some very rude comments on the Airplane somewhere? - - Mike Godwin n.p. Jefferson Airplane's version of Donovan's "The Fat Angel" (you should have seen them preening themselves at the Roundhouse when they sang the line "Fly Jefferson Airplane, get you there on time" ...) PS Voice of America provides some useful Airplane info in Croatian at . Fly that chequered flag, James! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 10:32:34 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: #308 Many happy returns, how old, get anything nice etc... Happy now? Cheers! Matt >From: Eb >Somebody wish me happy birthday, or I'll whine. >Eb - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 13:29:19 +0000 From: "Golden Hind" Subject: [none] Ive been off in short vac land, and on the last day of it(yesterday) NDL arrived. It takes me awhile to digest things, and I certially should also try to digest not only the record but also the intervening digests before throwing out my opinion -- but still, this much Ive got to say so far. All of heard is bitch, bitch, bitch, But really youse guys, whats not to like? Kay The babble that we think we mean CS Lewis _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:44:20 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: re: NDL Vinyl > Interested to hear Eddie, Bayard, and Woj's opinion of NDL i was disappointed at first, but it's growing on me. I love unprotected love, strings, and Mr K. I like the choruses of la cherite and lions & tigers, except that they are earworms, me no like earworms. The new Two Towers trailer is out. http://progressive.stream.aol.com/aol/us/aolentertainment/movies/2002/lotr/132757_638498_dl.mov =b ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 16:01:12 +0000 From: "Golden Hind" Subject: Late for the Parade, part 1 Godwin delivered this blurb from heaven: >None of the Zeppelin/Convention tapes would be released, but Fairport > >Convention's other sets would see their official UK release 16 years > >later. Where are these tapes and why havent they been released? I dont care if everyone is drunk/stoned/nodding out/whatever, somewhere in there must be at least a few secs of undeniable gorgeousness. - ---------------------------- Quail: >Again, I think the only real example you can make is Vietnam, which >-- >let's face it -- we have finally put behind us. It's history. Quail, have you perchance wandered too far into the unmapped swamps of the Libyrinth and has that monkey on your back been infected by mosquitos carrying the Henry Ford virus(a form of elephantitis perhaps;-?) Youre not saying that history is bunk, now are you? >And having said that, let's not forget that McGovern did not win. I could counter with, but Carter did. But he didnt really, now did he;-? However, I do wonder if the Dems had nominated McCarthy stead of Humphery(who, regardless of his prior record, was now tainted by Johnson) in 68, how that election would have gone, and then how 72 would have then gone? And of course, its too late to cry over spilt blood, but without Sirhan Sirhan, we might never had even had Nixon(now theres a history-boggeling concept)... - ---------------- Thank you Rex(and James) for your record breakdowns. And hats off to Rex for buying -any- new records in the first few years after the birth of a child. - ----------------- Jeff Dwarf but with 2 fs: >Asswipe! Douchebag! no coughing at the start though. I prefer -- Dingleberry! -- - -------------- Shell: >The key provisos of the bill would indemnify, or free from legal > >penalty,copyright holders from whatever actions they would need to >take >to prevent sharing of copyrighted files. We had to destroy the arts and their audience to save them. - -------------- From the Feg reviews, sounds like I may be buying my first Beck Cd(how could I pass up "beautifully depressing?") - ----------------------- Drew: >That's high praise indeed. I'm tempted to give it a try, but I'm hesitant because he's such a Microsoft whore these >days. I kind of want to write him and let him know that I preview albums via mp3 now and the unrippability of his >album has cost him a sale, but I doubt he would care. Not only that, but it looks like Ira Eirhorn(person who will probobly be found guilty for trunk (and head and arms and legs)-abuse) is going to call him as a character witness. Sigh. >Well, what was the last Robyn album which sustained any real "fire"? "Fegmania," maybe? Interesting take. Feg does seem the last "brittle"(or fire or anger) album(and I do love brittle -- funny, smirkly stoic, brutal self-lancerating energy, dysfunctional as all getout)then the "misery" records (thou actually, GoF still has enough brittle on it to work well for me) and then the "depth?" stuff(Respect on?) Innocence Experience Higher Innocence? Just a weird thought. >Personally, about a third of my collection is still not-CD, and that's OK with me.) I still own more vynal than anything else. - -------------- James, how could you!?! >There is very little Canadian music that I know which I feel neutral > >about. Either I love it or it's by that Dion woman. Joni Mitchell! Ian and Sylvia. The Rheostats. The Skydiggers. I think theres a band Ive heard of on Feg called -- Rush, is it? Oh, and Ross Overbury;o) Do Australians make New Zealand jokes the way Americans make Canadian jokes? - ---------------------- Kay thee babble that we think we mean CS Lewis _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:33:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: re: NDL Vinyl On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, bayard wrote: > The new Two Towers trailer is out. > http://progressive.stream.aol.com/aol/us/aolentertainment/movies/2002/lotr/132757_638498_dl.mov Am I the only one here who invariably has a moment of cognitive dissonance with that title, initially thinking it refers to something about the WTC and September 11? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:44:03 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: NDL Vinyl On Tuesday, October 1, 2002, at 12:33 PM, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Am I the only one here who invariably has a moment of cognitive > dissonance > with that title, initially thinking it refers to something about the > WTC > and September 11? Puhlease, I think you AND the media are reading waaaay too much into it... Next, you'll be telling us Nostradamus foresaw all the predictable criticisms regarding NDL. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:56:27 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: NDL, UM, punctuation Eugene: >>I think Pat Collier nailed the mix. The tones are natural and vibrant, and the >>sound of the recording space is lovely. There is a good natural active reverb >>to the space, and I don't hear much artificial echo (especially on the drums, >>which is a peeve of mine). I agree. I'm surprised at how much of a beating the mix has taken here. There are a few places where the lead vocal could be lower, but that's about it. The separation between the guitars actually lets you hear how they sound individually. It's like a dish where the flavors blend without blurring into each other. >>Though I know I could be wrong on the guitars; I would love to >>read a breakdown of the guitars played on the record, what guitars were used >>for overdubs and so on. Me too! Someone's got a Coral Sitar on there. It's more prominent than the "Moog Synthesizers" listed in the credits. (By the way, specifying "Moog" in album credits has become a pet peeve of mine-- shades of "No sequencers were used in the recording of this album-- but whatever.) _____________________ Marc on UM: >>11 copies--7 vinyl and 4 CD. Okay... the 7 vinyl copies... all different pressings, or else... why? Reminds me of that Mel Gibson film where he is "programmed to KILL" and his handlers keep track of him because he is compelled to buy "Catcher in the Rye" or something. _________________ Ken: >>by way, i've seen the title listed both "paint it black" and "paint it, black". My understanding, is that it has, the comma, in Britain, but not, in the US. I am curious about this. I've also heard that Stipe chose the construction "Wolves, Lower" because he wanted a song with a misplaced comma in the title like "Paint It, Black". Honorable mention to Sonic Youth for their song "Snare, Girl" which looks weird but it actually correct as the line is delivered in the song ("It's like a snare, girl"). __________ Real comments on NDL to follow. I still really like it. The songs are stuck in my mind in a good (and, these days, unusual) way. - -James Rex, Broome ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:05:58 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: NDL Vinyl On Tue, Oct 1, 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, bayard wrote: > > > The new Two Towers trailer is out. > > http://progressive.stream.aol.com/aol/us/aolentertainment/movies/2002/lotr/132757_638498_dl.mov > > Am I the only one here who invariably has a moment of cognitive dissonance > with that title, initially thinking it refers to something about the WTC > and September 11? And unfortunately I am sure they will get a lot of shit for it when it becomes more well-known. They had better not back down. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:29:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: NDL Vinyl On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Steve Talkowski wrote: > On Tuesday, October 1, 2002, at 12:33 PM, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > wrote: > > > Am I the only one here who invariably has a moment of cognitive > > dissonance > > with that title, initially thinking it refers to something about the > > WTC > > and September 11? > > Puhlease, I think you AND the media are reading waaaay too much into > it... No, no - all I'm saying is the *phrase* makes me first think of the WTC. There's no conspiracy theory, psychic fiends, etc. etc. Yeesh. - -j ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 13:45:15 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Late for the Parade, part 1 Kay writes, > Quail: >> Again, I think the only real example you can make is Vietnam, which >-- >> let's face it -- we have finally put behind us. It's history. > > Quail, have you perchance wandered too far into the unmapped swamps of the > Libyrinth and has that monkey on your back been infected by mosquitos > carrying the Henry Ford virus(a form of elephantitis perhaps;-?) Youre not > saying that history is bunk, now are you? I have no idea what you are saying! ;) But I still stand by my statement. Vietnam is history -- the sixties are long over, and I don't think that the current state of affairs in the US is best mapped on a generation some thirty years past. The Greens and the Democrats are very, very far apart these days. >> And having said that, let's not forget that McGovern did not win. > > I could counter with, but Carter did. But he didnt really, now did he;-? I was using McGovern as an example of an anti-War candidate. > And of course, its too late to cry over spilt blood, but without Sirhan > Sirhan, we might never had even had Nixon(now theres a history-boggeling > concept)... Well, Nixon properly should have won the 62 election, which the Democratic machine more or less "borrowed" for Kennedy. And it might be useful to recall that Nixon actually campaigned to *end* the war! (Which he failed to do, of course, actually escalating it....) - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:52:32 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: NDL Vinyl > > Puhlease, I think you AND the media are reading waaaay too > much into > > it... > > No, no - all I'm saying is the *phrase* makes me first think > of the WTC. > There's no conspiracy theory, psychic fiends, etc. etc. And I think it's naive to just blithely dismiss the possibility of a coordinated effort by Peter Jackson, Osama bin Laden, and Tolkien's ghost. Heads out of the sand, people! +brian in New Orleans ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:59:25 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: NDL Vinyl On Tuesday, October 1, 2002, at 01:29 PM, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > No, no - all I'm saying is the *phrase* makes me first think of the > WTC. Ah! Then you must've had this feeling many months ago when the title was first revealed? Surely you recall the media's attempt to make a field day out of nothing (an already existing title for crying out loud). In my opinion, It really doesn't appear any more dissonant then OR now... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:11:07 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Late for the Parade, part 1 Quail wrote: >Well, Nixon properly should have won the 62 election, which the Democratic >machine more or less "borrowed" for Kennedy. And it might be useful to >recall that Nixon actually campaigned to *end* the war! (Which he failed to >do, of course, actually escalating it....) Didn't Nixon lose fair and square to Pat Brown in the 1962 election for Governor of California? Which prompted the "You won't have Dick Nixon to kick around anymore" quote from Nixon. Ah, you probably meant 1960. I seem to remember reading that even with the disputed Illinois electoral count over on Nixon's side, JFK would still have won in 1960. I could be wrong on this point. I wonder how Nixon would have handled the Bay of Pigs and the Cuban Missile Crisis on 1962(40 year anniversary coming up in a couple of weeks!) Michael B. NP Lush Lovelife ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 10:51:53 -0700 From: andrew Subject: my vote >From: "Michael Wells" >If something like 'UM part II' had been >released instead, I would have been pretty pissed. You know, when I first read this I agreed with you (though in general I'm annoyed by the implicit assumption that the obstacle to adoring this album is a failure to accept that The Soft Boys Is All Growed Up Now). But then I tried to imagine "UM part II" and I realized I wouldn't have been pissed at all. That would have been a pretty stunning album. I'm not saying I wish they'd done that, but think about it: the difference in sound between _A Can of Bees_ and _Underwater Moonlight_ is wide enough that at times they sound like two different bands. I think there would be room in my universe for each band to have made two or three more albums in the same style before "maturing" into _Nextdoorland_. And now, the useless comment I initially hit Reply in order to make: >From: Jeff Dwarf >_Surrealistic Pillow,_ I have no comment on the music inside, never having heard most of it, but this has always made my top ten list of Worst Album Titles Ever. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 13:41:58 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: Re: Late for the Parade, part 1 >>Again, I think the only real example you can make is Vietnam, which >-- let's face it -- we have finally put behind us. It's history. > >Quail, have you perchance wandered too far into the unmapped swamps of the Libyrinth and has that monkey on your back been infected by mosquitos carrying the Henry Ford virus(a form of elephantitis perhaps;-?) Youre not saying that history is bunk, now are you? wow. history. september 11 is history too. i'd say that the gulf war is history, except that we never really left. >We had to destroy the arts and their audience to save them. this is perfect! i have to use this when talking about the CARP bullshit. we just had a meeting for allston brighton free radio last night and the word is that the big guys will probably leave us alone since they'd be paying more for their lawyers than they could ever get from us in fees. >>Well, what was the last Robyn album which sustained any real "fire"? >"Fegmania," maybe? what the fuck is fire, anyway? 'goodnight i say' seems the most obvious from that album; but i'd say 'i'm only you' simmers. i think that it's pretty subjective. i think every album robyn has put out is lively and imaginative. there's passion in places, and a sense of tribulation as well. i read "fire" as used above as raucus energy. any album with the egypitans would qualify in that respect (though _respect_ probably has the least amount). _eye_ has a lot of fire in my opinion. the solo albums seem less firey, by this standard; though i disagree with that standard. _nextdoorland_ sustains fire. >Personally, about a third of my collection is still not-CD, and >that's OK with me.) > >I still own more vynal than anything else. i recently went through the collection and weeded out some nasty vinyl that had been given to me. any time someone i know finds some records somewhere, they invariably give them to me. my collection had been roughly half and half with vinyl and compact disks. very few cassettes. now i think the cd's have taken the lead. ken "my ghost likes to travel" the kenster np up peter gabriel i've read some reviews trashing this album; but i think it's just not living up to the commercial expectations. i keep comparing it to _security_. i've been listening to it more than beck. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 14:34:45 -0400 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: Late for the Parade, part 1 On 1 Oct 2002 at 16:01, Golden Hind wrote: > Joni Mitchell! Ian and Sylvia. The Rheostats. The Skydiggers. I think > theres a band Ive heard of on Feg called -- Rush, is it? Just so people might check them out -- it's the Rheostatics. Pretty good stuff. Anybody here ever listen to Max Webster? I used to love that band. There's more of course, but that's another thread. > Oh, and Ross Overbury;o) Aw, shucks. I'd better not make up 2.5 percent of anybody's collection, though. There may be some tracks with a couple of other fegs available pretty soon. I'll be sure to brag on it when they are. > Do Australians make New Zealand jokes the way Americans make Canadian jokes? Hey! You do *what*? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 14:56:08 -0400 From: dances with virgos Subject: soft boys on wfmu! the soft boys will be performing live on wfmu on october 29th during brian turner's program (3-6pm)! you can tune in wfmu at 91.1fm in the nyc metro area, 90.1fm in the hudson valley, and in a variety of streaming formats on the web (see for all the gory details). here are the details: The Soft Boys Tuesday, October 29th, 3pm - 6pm on Brian Turner's show No explanations needed: simply one of the greatest, most legendary bands ever, ever, EVER. Robyn Hitchcock, Kimberley Rew, Matthew Seligman, and Morris Windsor reunited last year and Matador Records has just released Nexdoorland, their first album in 20 years. As if that's not exciting enough, they play live and electric on Brian's show today, recorded while in town for their shows at the Bowery Ballroom and Maxwells. We're completely blown away about their impending WFMU visit! woj p.s. wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:06:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: NDL Vinyl On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Steve Talkowski wrote: > On Tuesday, October 1, 2002, at 01:29 PM, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > wrote: > > > No, no - all I'm saying is the *phrase* makes me first think of the > > WTC. > > Ah! Then you must've had this feeling many months ago when the title > was first revealed? "Revealed"? Hasn't that been the title of the second book of the LOTR trilogy, uh, forever? But yeah - I remember seeing the film mentioned some months back, and that the reaction I had - even though, a millisecond later, I figured it out and knew they were talking about LOTR. Surely you recall the media's attempt to make a > field day out of nothing (an already existing title for crying out > loud). No. I avoid TV news and most mainstream papers and magazines...and this sort of uproar (you mean, anyone had anything to say about it of greater length than "for a second I thought of..."?) is one reason why. I mean, I'm not one of those snobs who reflexively thinks everything on TV sucks - but the news certainly does. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::You think your country needs you, but you know it never will:: __Elvis Costello__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 15:34:16 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Max Webster Ross writes, > Anybody here ever listen to Max Webster? I used to love that band. > There's more of course, but that's another thread. Yeah! My roommate and friend in college used to play lots of Max Webster, but he would never let me tape it, because he said that I "wasn't cool enough." (I apparently lacked cool points because I liked the Dead.) For all you Rush fans, the main guy behind Max Webster (the name of a group, ala Jethro Tull) is also a friend of Geddy and the lads, and co-wrote some Rush songs with Neil Peart. (Tom Sawyer, Force Ten, and Test for Echo, I believe...) - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 15:40:25 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Late for the Parade, part 1 Michael wrote, > Didn't Nixon lose fair and square to Pat Brown in the 1962 election for > Governor of California? Which prompted the "You won't have Dick Nixon to > kick around anymore" quote from Nixon. Ah, you probably meant 1960. Ah, yes, my fault! Of course I meant 1960. > I seem to remember reading that even with the disputed Illinois electoral > count > over on Nixon's side, JFK would still have won in 1960. I could be wrong on > this > point. All that I have read indicates that we will never really know. (And there were apparently problems in Texas, too, not just Illinois.) >I wonder how Nixon would have handled the Bay of Pigs and the Cuban > Missile Crisis on 1962(40 year anniversary coming up in a couple of weeks!) My feeling is that he would have handled the CMC the same way, but would not have called off the Bay of Pigs. Interesting story about Cuba, Kennedy, and Nixon, by the way, and the 1960 election presidential debates. Apparently because of the possibility he might become President, Kennedy had been briefed about situations in Cuba, and during the debate, he asked questions to Nixon that quite flustered ol' Dick, and Nixon refused to answer them out of fear that he'd give away state intelligence. He was apparently quite pissed off at Kennedy. In fact, the whole election really pissed him off for many reasons -- Nixon and Kennedy used to be on friendly terms, and Nixon could never forgive Kennedy for playing dirty pool. He felt quite wounded; which of course added more fuel to his self-pitying vortex of paranoia.... All too obsessed with Tricky Dick, - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:49:53 -0400 From: "Timothy Reed" Subject: RE: Late for the Parade, part 1 > Apparently > because of the possibility he might become President, Kennedy > had been briefed about situations in Cuba, and during the > debate, he asked questions to Nixon that quite flustered ol' > Dick, and Nixon refused to answer them out of fear that he'd > give away state intelligence. He was apparently quite pissed > off at Kennedy. In fact, the whole election really pissed him > off for many reasons -- Nixon and Kennedy used to be on > friendly terms, and Nixon could never forgive Kennedy for > playing dirty pool. He felt quite wounded; which of course > added more fuel to his self-pitying vortex of paranoia.... Oliver Stone's 'Nixon' demonstrates this episode and its effects. Definitely an entertaining movie - great sweaty performance by Anthony Hopkins. Counting the times that he drops the American accent would make a good drinking game. Tim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:16:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: Belated wishes and Nextdoorland Happy Birthday one day late, Eb!! Just keep celebrating. As for Nextdoorland, I am enjoying it and feel somewhat relieved that I don't have the rock-n-roll-be-bop-boogie-and-jive acumen to analyze it. I never know why I do or don't like music, and it would never dawn on me that Robyn is too high in the mix. I LOVE reading reviews, though. Keep them coming, please! One thing I don't think, however, is that Nextdoorland will ever become my favorite SB album, as it has for 1 or 2 amongst us. That honor probably belongs to Can of Bees, although tomorrow I might say the same for Underwater Moonlight. Songs like Sandra's Having Her Brane (Brain) Out and Pig Worker, could there be anything more sublime to wail to? Try COB on headphones while doing 4 miles on the treadmill. Bliss, bliss, bliss. God, will I make it to NYC? Still working on that one. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:27:46 -0500 From: steve Subject: Ents & Oliphants The official LOTR site now has the new trailer in various sizes. www.lordoftherings.net - - Steve __________ George W.'s war on Iraq will be the reductio ad absurdum of America's long, slow abandonment of any pretense that the people have any say in the question of whether their government will send some of them far away to kill and die. - Michael Kinsley ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:58:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Late for the Parade, part 1 Ken Ostrander wrote: > np up peter gabriel > i've read some reviews trashing this album; but i think it's just not > living up to the commercial expectations. i keep comparing it to > _security_. i've been listening to it more than beck. I haven't bought it yet -- Beck and The soft Boys were more important last week, etc, but even with the praise it's gotten here, I'm still a little skittish about it. Maybe just because "The Barry Williams Show" is _SO_ damn awful -- in fact, it may pass that Phil Collins songs about ignoring the homeless and then feeling guilty about it as the most cringe inducing, hideous single released by a former Genesis singer. ===== "If we don't allow journalists, politicians, and every two-bit Joe Schmo with a cause to grandstand by using 9-11 as a lame rhetorical device, then the terrorists have already won." -- "Shredder" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . 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