From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #305 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, September 27 2002 Volume 11 : Number 305 Today's Subjects: ----------------- PR please... [crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com] jingle-jangle mourning [drew ] Monster High Geek ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: clari-fixations and more rantations ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Jingle Jangle ["Brian Hoare" ] Re: Why is Captain Kirk like a roll of Charmin'? [0% rh] [Michael R Godwi] guess [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] I was bored, so... [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: I was bored, so... [rosso@videotron.ca] Re: I was bored, so... ["matt sewell" ] Re: Nextdoorland [Stewart Russell ] Winchester details [Michael R Godwin ] Re: I was bored, so... [Stewart Russell ] Florida, My Florida [Christopher Gross ] Re: I was bored, so... ["matt sewell" ] guitar Robyn ["ross taylor" ] Re: New Hampshire, My New Hampshire ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: guitar Robyn [Michael R Godwin ] Re: guess [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: I was bored, so... [Jeff Dwarf ] if i'm awake will you bring me a cup of tea? [Ken Ostrander Nader got 2,883,000 (all numbers rounded to >the nearest thousand). That sounds brilliant!!!! Oh, fuck. I forgot I'm in the UK.... jmbc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:18:50 -0700 From: drew Subject: jingle-jangle mourning >From: Eb >Seems like you folks had some pretty sky-high expectations for this >disc, as if the long-term Beefheartian-rock-to-pleasant-jingle-jangle >evolution (de-evolution?) of his music suddenly would be reversed in >an instant. "You folks" probably means me. I'm not sure I've seen any other especially negative reviews before Brian's, below. And I don't know how to stress enough that I was NOT expecting or even wanting this to sound just like the old Soft Boys. I forget if it was here or elsewhere that I said every Soft Boys album sounded different anyway. What I WAS expecting was a little more fire and depth than I feel I got. I've been trying to imagine how I'd feel if this had been packaged as a solo Hitchcock album featuring members of the Soft Boys. The sound would make more sense to me then, I think, but I still would have been nonplussed by the songs. >From: "Brian Hoare" >The venom >of the old Soft Boys is missing and so is the richness of recent RH >releases. I wish I could have put it this concisely. >Lions and Tigers, I don't get it. Tull and the Bonzos have better songs >about Tigers. I assumed this was about Democrats and Republicans myself, though it could be about world peace or vegetarianism for all I know. It's actually one of the more interesting lyrics on the album, I think, though the music sounds clumsy. >From: drew >And if you don't know ahead of time that you could, DEFINITELY, >get Jewel by DEFINITELY hurting the Soft Boys, would you do it? >I'm not talking about after the fact, when you have no guarantee s/, when/; Drew ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:11:38 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Monster High Geek Drew on the "Older" Robyn: >>People keep bringing this fact up, but I don't see what difference >>it makes. What, is he too old to, like, "rock out" now? To me, the "older" part doesn't matter. But he *is* a different guy, with all the experiences and songs of the intervening years that implies. But I'll shut up 'cuz I still haven't heard it. By the way, you really nailed the record store metaphor... _________ Well, Kay asked, so here's the year-by-year breakdown. Again by title, not total discs. Also note that as I drift into the '90's I have had access to far more contemporaneous singles, compilations, used discs and freebies so the totals are somewhat artificially inflated. Also, many compilations go by the date of the latest material. So "Best of the Hollies" counts in, like, '71 or whatever, when the stuff I bought it for is mainly earlier than that. As the years wear on, this is more and more likely to happen and muck things up royally. Still, up until the CD age begins, this looks about like I would predict it would. Also, my collection has some pretty good controls on it since: 1) I almost never sell anything back-- I figure, if my brain was wired up to be interested in it once, it may return to that configuration later, and then I'll be really pissed if I buy it again and don't like it again, so I better hold onto it. 2) My CD collection includes just about every album I've ever bought in any format. If nobody's been cool enough to put it out officially, I've digitized and burned my own disc off my own LP or cassette. (Which is as fair as "fair use" gets!) I'll leave the graphing to Kay! 1933: 2 1937: 1 1942: 1 1949: 1 1952: 2 1953: 1 1956: 1 1958: 1 1959: 2 1960: 2 1961: 5 1962: 3 1963: 6 1964: 16 1965: 19 1966: 22 1967: 34 1968: 29 1969: 43 1970: 34 1971: 19 - -------------James Rex Broome born 1971 1972: 29 1973: 22 1974: 22 1975: 18 1976: 15 1977: 31 1978: 33 1979: 36 1980: 39 1981: 38 1982: 49 1983: 43 1984: 32 1985: 40 1986: 56 - ------------James Rex Broome begins music collection approx. 1986 1987: 68 1988: 83 1989: 89 (weird, huh?) - ---------- James Rex Broome moves from WVa to Los Angeles, where more, better, and cheaper records are available 1990: 116 1991: 129 1992: 119 1993: 89 1994: 103 1995: 109 1996: 152 1997: 125 1998: 97 1999: 88 2000: 88 2001: 61 - ---------------Miranda Mellbye Broome born 2001 2002: 35 (so far) God my life is sad... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:22:16 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: clari-fixations and more rantations >From: Christopher Gross >This means Nader won 2.735% of the popular vote. >--library geek Chris The key question is, what was his percentage in Florida? Max _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 22:46:15 -0400 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: carry them back to now On 26 Sep 2002 at 15:38, drew wrote: [me] > >isn't the Soft Boys the band that features a Robyn > >who is nearing 50? > > People keep bringing this fact up, but I don't see what difference > it makes. What, is he too old to, like, "rock out" now? Did he > become a brittle old man (of 50???) between the terrific songs on > _Bram_ and the sedate stopgap of _Robyn Sings_? How come > Bowie can make an album like _Heathen_ at 50 but Robyn has to > write songs like "Mr. Kennedy"? I don't buy that at all. 60, 70, okay, > maybe no more "NASA Clapping," but until then, it's no excuse. The complaint seems more parallel to wishing for another great glam album from Bowie. Maybe I misread it. I think there's a real vitality to the new SB. As I said, I'm ready to get another CD by them, not to lay the idea to rest as I did with CS&N. I love the angular stuff of the Soft Boys. I prefer A Can of Bees to Underwater Moonlight -- something that seems to run contrary to the opinions of most fegs. I also see that material as a product of the times and of the people (as they were) who made it. This is now, and I'm OK with that. Mentioning age was a stupid mistake. I'm 46 and I rock, brother! > > >This whole thing is the Soft Boys, and it could be the most vital > >reunion album I can remember hearing. Maybe some of you can > >think of better examples. I can't. > > Then it's rather faint praise, isn't it? I honestly didn't mean it that way. I think pulling off a reunion album that can withstand (never mind satisfy) all that anticipation and nostalgia is a task few bands can attempt without blowing their credibility -- provided they had any. > > I feel the need to reiterate: it's not a _bad_ album. I hear you, and believe me, I'm not trying to jump on you for saying stuff that doesn't sound like my own reaction. I should have just said what I thought and left you out of it. I guess I've just dragged you right back in. I sure wish Bowie would do another Laughing Gnome. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:39:01 -0700 From: "glen uber" Subject: Next Door to Rhett Miller You guys have been pretty prolific lately and I haven't been able to read my all my fegmail the past few days (247 unread messages in my box), so all apologies if this has been posted. The Onion A.V. Club has reviews of both Nextdoorland and Rhett Miller's The Instigator. Read 'em both here: BTW, I got Nextdoorland on both vinyl and CD but haven't been able to listen to it yet. I will post my impressions when I do. On another note, thanks to those of you who were kind enough to write to me with encouraging words and positive mojo the past week. I will send personalized replies to each of you over the next couple days. It's gettin' better all the time, - -g- "In nature, there are neither rewards nor punishments -- there are Consequences." - --R.G. Ingersoll glen uber =+= apostrophe (at) cruxofthebiscuit dot com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 06:58:36 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: Re: Jingle Jangle >From: Eb >as if the long-term Beefheartian-rock-to-pleasant-jingle-jangle >evolution (de-evolution?) of his music suddenly would be reversed in >an instant. > Shiny Beast / Bat Chain Puller. Needed nearly a whole new band to do it though. Brian _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:10:15 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Why is Captain Kirk like a roll of Charmin'? [0% rh] On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Stewart Russell wrote: > sigh ... > At least they can still spell 'manoeuvre' correctly... - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:11:55 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: guess >Oh, to bring everything full circle...Ralph Nader would be filed >between Le Mystere Des Voix Bulgares and Napoleon XIV in my record >collection. I'm sorry -- it had to be said. I feel some nebulous >sense of irony there, but can't quite pin it down in words. ;) Don't you like Nada Surf? I feel compelled to say that at least he wouldn't be with Napalm Death :/ >> > why then didn't the us veto the resolution? >> >> Don't mistake a short term position for a long term goal. > >the long term goal being? giving the Arab states a weak sop in the hope that they will say "oh, yeah - - the US government isn't so bad after all"? Unlikely, but who knows - perhaps they really ARE that stupid. >Unfortunately, Cheney, Wolfowitz et al. have been pursuing military >preeminence and seeking "preemptive strieks" against any nation that acts >a threat (i.e., doesn't kowtow to US interests) for a decade more than a decade. Cheney threatened New Zealand with - what was the phrase? 'persuasive realignment of the government', I think - back in the mid 1980s. >When Robyn made the comment bout Bush being the Brits president too, I >thought he was joking. I can almost hear it raining... James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 00:47:31 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: I was bored, so... I was bored, so, for what it's worth (I think it was Kat who asked...) my CDs (excluding compilations). By nationality, England 37.4%; US 22.6%, NZ 16.2%, Australia 7.9%. Scotland, Ireland and Canada each weigh in at over 2.5%. By year: the only years with over 6% are '92, '93, '94, '95, and '96. 54% of my CDs were released between 1990 and 1999. Amazingly, only 4.6% are from prior to 1970. IUt's all very arbitrary though. 'Greatest hits' type CDs were generally released considerably later for 60s bands (e.g., the Monkees' "Listen to the Band" set was released in 1991). And with nationalities, it's often anyone's guess as to how to classify them. Does an Eno and Lanois CD go under England or Canada? How about King Crimson - USA or England? And are the BeeGees English, Australian, or Manx? Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan and Michael Brook? BTW, these are rhetorical questions, not the call-to-arms of a new thread! James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:58:07 -0400 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: I was bored, so... On 28 Sep 2002 at 0:47, James Dignan wrote: > my CDs (excluding compilations). > > By nationality, England 37.4%; US 22.6%, NZ 16.2%, Australia 7.9%. > Scotland, Ireland and Canada each weigh in at over 2.5%. James! Neil Young should account for better than 2.5% of your collection, unless it's *huge*. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:06:45 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: I was bored, so... Wiener! ;0) Matt >From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) >my CDs (excluding compilations). > >By nationality >By year: - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:15:44 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Nextdoorland Tom Clark wrote: > > p.s. To whomever entered the Nextdoorland info into CDDB - "Soft Boys, > The"?? makes perfect sense when you are ripping CDs; means all your MP3s don't get filed under T. Still no SBs to be had in TO! Stewart who is convinced that Beck was channelling the spirit of Nick Drake for most of Sea Change. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:18:25 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Winchester details Did someone ask for details of the Winchester gig? From www.thesoftboys.com: The Railway Inn St Paul's Hill, Winchester Wednesday, 16th October, 8.30 pm Support act: Mark Andrews Tickets: #7.50 Phone: 01962-714520 Don't think I'll be able to make it as I have 4 computing & economics classes to give on Thursdays ... - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:18:19 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: I was bored, so... matt sewell wrote: > > Wiener! c'mon now, surely no-one says that in the UK or NZ? It was always " ... Wanker!" with a clear pause between the two utterances at our school. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:06:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Florida, My Florida On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Maximilian Lang wrote: > >This means Nader won 2.735% of the popular vote. > > The key question is, what was his percentage in Florida? Key question or not, in Florida Nader won 97,488 out of 5,963,110 votes cast, or 1.635%. (The vote totals are from this time; the percentage is from my calculator with the weird superscripted comma, which is to keep you from confusing the comma and decimal point, I guess.) In the local deli this morning, some guy ahead of me ordered a bacon, egg and cheese sandwich with hot peppers and grape jelly! Talk about appetite suppressants. But I digress. Did I mention I got up earlier than usual this morning? - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:13:34 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: I was bored, so... Yes, of course you're right - it's just that wanker was I thought a little strong, nerd/geek no good either. I like wiener because, as I word I think it has comedy value... And anyway, as a child, US TV was my third parent! Surely this thread is bollocks!? Cheers Matt >From: Stewart Russell >Reply-To: Stewart Russell >To: matt sewell >CC: grutness@surf4nix.com, fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Re: I was bored, so... >Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:18:19 -0400 > >matt sewell wrote: > > >>Wiener! > >c'mon now, surely no-one says that in the UK or NZ? It was always >" ... Wanker!" with a clear pause between the two utterances >at our school. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:33:13 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: guitar Robyn >- -Rex, who frequently wusses out and just goes up to the high note, digs in >and bends the hell out of it like a "normal" player would I frequently go up to the hight note, then come back down chromaticly a step and a half until I am once again in the right key. :) I hear a fair amount of Indian influence in Robyn. I wouldn't be surprised if he had a bunch of Ravi Shankar & Ali Akbar Khan records. I mean it's Western-Hippie-Folk-Music, but the movement is similar, glaringly so on "Cheese Alarm." I guess it could be by way of Incredible String Band (Robin W. I guess?), & then I guess there's a British folk guitar style from pre-60s that's different from American blues/hillbilly picking. And I'm not as familiar w/ John Renbourne & Bert Jansch [sp?sp?] as I should be. Anyway I think some of this folk style gets into his electric style. Another fun thing about the guitar on Robyn Sings is Robyn playing da blues. So did Richard Lloyd play hired gun anywhere else than Matthew Sweet's "Girlfriend" or John Doe's 1st lp? Did Verlaine guest anywhere except Patti Smith's "Break it Up" & "Space Monkey"? Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:42:55 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: New Hampshire, My New Hampshire At 10:06 AM 9/27/2002 -0400, Christopher Gross wrote: > > >This means Nader won 2.735% of the popular vote. > > > > The key question is, what was his percentage in Florida? > >Key question or not, in Florida Nader won 97,488 out of 5,963,110 votes >cast, or 1.635%. (The vote totals are from > this time; the >percentage is from my calculator with the weird superscripted comma, which >is to keep you from confusing the comma and decimal point, I guess.) If you're exploring the Nader Effect, you don't even need to pay attention to the results in Florida. Another important state to look at is someplace like New Hampshire, with its 4 electoral votes, where the Bush and Gore counts were very close. In NH, Bush got 273,559 votes, Gore 266,348 and Nader 22,198. If Gore had gotten one-third (33.3%) of the Nader vote (7,399), for whatever reason, this would have pushed Gore over Bush with 273,747 votes. This would have then given Gore a total of 270 electoral votes to Bush's 267, even assuming Bush still had "won" Florida. At 12:50 PM 9/24/2002 +1200, James Dignan wrote: > >np: Peter Gabriel, "Up" > >review please? :) It's definitely a lot darker and more complex than either "So" or "Us," and its leagues more impressive than Gabriel's more recent releases "OVO" or "Rabbit Proof Fence." I'd place it right up there with his 3rd and 4th (Security) albums. At 12:47 AM 9/28/2002 +1200, James Dignan wrote: >Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan and Michael >Brook? Can't you just label it 50% Pakistani, 50% Canadian? - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:02:37 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: New Hampshire, My New Hampshire On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, Jason R. Thornton wrote: > If you're exploring the Nader Effect, you don't even need to pay attention > to the results in Florida. Another important state to look at is someplace > like New Hampshire, with its 4 electoral votes, where the Bush and Gore > counts were very close. In NH, Bush got 273,559 votes, Gore 266,348 and > Nader 22,198. If Gore had gotten one-third (33.3%) of the Nader vote > (7,399), for whatever reason, this would have pushed Gore over Bush with > 273,747 votes. This would have then given Gore a total of 270 electoral > votes to Bush's 267, even assuming Bush still had "won" Florida. but if they really think their only choice was the lesser of two evils, they shouldn't be involved. has it finally been concluded that everyone who voted for gore was an idiot, at least while doing so? that is not a question. quit worrying about scatching your ass in public, or whatever. if it sucks why the hell would you vote for it? like sheep? gSs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:20:09 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: guitar Robyn On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, ross taylor wrote: > I hear a fair amount of Indian influence in Robyn. I wouldn't be > surprised if he had a bunch of Ravi Shankar & Ali Akbar Khan records. > I mean it's Western-Hippie-Folk-Music, but the movement is similar, > glaringly so on "Cheese Alarm." I guess it could be by way of > Incredible String Band (Robin W. I guess?), & then I guess there's a > British folk guitar style from pre-60s that's different from American > blues/hillbilly picking. And I'm not as familiar w/ John Renbourne & > Bert Jansch [sp?sp?] as I should be. Anyway I think some of this folk > style gets into his electric style. One seminal UK acoustic piece is Davey Graham's "Maajun", a Moroccan-influenced piece from 1965. DG was a big influence on Jansch, who famously reworked DG's "Anji" into _the_ guitar lick which every folkie of my generation had to tackle. There was a good pice on Davey Graham in Mojo a year or two back. he released several albums in the late 60s which all included some raga-type material. The recently released amateur recording of him playing in a Hull student hall after lights out in 1967 is just great! DG dropped by the wayside for many years but now has a website and is apparently clean again. Apparently he has been playing the 12 Bar Club. I saw him at my local pub about 3 years ago, where he was intermittently brilliant. - - Mike Godwin PS Otherwise the crucial raga rock record over here was exactly the same as over there, namely McGuinn's Coltrane-influenced solo on "Eight Miles High". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:36:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: guess James Dignan wrote: > >When Robyn made the comment bout Bush being the Brits president too, > >thought he was joking. > > I can almost hear it raining... "remember when you elect a president, you elect him for all of us. please be more careful this time." -- billy bragg, 1988 ===== "If we don't allow journalists, politicians, and every two-bit Joe Schmo with a cause to grandstand by using 9-11 as a lame rhetorical device, then the terrorists have already won." -- "Shredder" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:43:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: I was bored, so... - --- Stewart Russell wrote: > matt sewell wrote: > > > > Wiener! > > c'mon now, surely no-one says that in the UK or NZ? no one over the age of 5 says that in the US! > It was always " ... Wanker!" with a clear pause between the > two utterances at our school. Asswipe! Douchebag! no coughing at the start though. ===== "If we don't allow journalists, politicians, and every two-bit Joe Schmo with a cause to grandstand by using 9-11 as a lame rhetorical device, then the terrorists have already won." -- "Shredder" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:45:29 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: if i'm awake will you bring me a cup of tea? from the first listen i was drawn in. every song is engaging. the guitar sound is like something from a dream. i love the interplay between robyn and kimberley. it's got a notch up on the solo material. of course, there are a slew of references to death, rain, insects, and fish. what kind of soft boys album would it be without them? i was very disappointed in the performance of 'my mind is connected...' on late night tv. that probably set me up for my enjoyment of this version and the album in general. i don't think i'll be able to get enough of 'mr kennedy' or 'unprotected love'. 'strings' almost sounds like it should have been on invisible hits. 'sudden town' chugs along like a pleasant train ride. that ride begins with 'i love lucy' and seems to derail with 'lions and tigers'. i've been looking for lacherite; but i don't have a clue what it is. tuesday was a big day for new releases with this one, as well as peter gabriel, beck, and steve earle. i'm very pleased with the whole lot. ken "stretching out to catch the first few drops" the kenster ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:04:58 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: commercial advertisement is coming to civil service vehicles.... July 25, 2002 House Bill Could Shut Down File Sharing Berman Bill Could Allow Copyright Holders To Invade Your PC By Mark Hachman A California Democrat introduced a bill Thursday that would make sharing of copyrighted files illegal, and would indemnify copyright holders from taking whatever actions they chose to prevent the sharing of those files. The effect, if approved by Congress and signed into law, would be to virtually outlaw file-sharing as is commonly known. The bill was authored by and introduced by Rep. Howard L. Berman, a California Democrat representing the 26th Congressional District, which includes North Hollywood. Berman is the ranking member of the Congressional Committee on the Judiciary's subcommittee on courts, the Internet, and intellectual property. The key provisos of the bill would indemnify, or free from legal penalty, copyright holders from whatever actions they would need to take to prevent sharing of copyrighted files. "Notwithstanding any State or Federal statute or other law, and subject to the limitations set forth in subsections (b) and (c), a copyright owner shall not be liable in any criminal or civil action for disabling, interfering with, blocking, diverting, or otherwise impairing the unauthorized distribution, display, performance, or reproduction of his or her copyrighted work on a publicly accessible peer-to-peer file trading network, if such impairment does not, without authorization, alter, delete, or otherwise impair the integrity of any computer file or data residing on the computer of a file trader," the bill reads. http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,415648,00.asp?kc=ETTH10209HHT4D0000518 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:11:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: horse definitively dead; thwacking blows still being delivered On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, gSs wrote: > but if they really think their only choice was the lesser of two evils, > they shouldn't be involved. has it finally been concluded that everyone > who voted for gore was an idiot, at least while doing so? that is not a > question. quit worrying about scatching your ass in public, or whatever. > if it sucks why the hell would you vote for it? like sheep? Voting, you begin with two choices: vote, or don't vote. If you don't vote, you have no effect, whereas if you do, you more or less have some, however marginal. Then you choose who to vote for. Unfortunately, in a winner-take-all, simple majority system, complicated by (in prez elections) the Electoral College, pulling the lever for one person's name does *not* necessarily best ensure the outcome you'd prefer. Uh, we've been through why...but, like Holmes and Moriarty in (I think) the last story before Holmes' "death," I'll just assume we both can anticipate the other's reactions, and leave them as read. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::The more you drive, the less intelligent you are:: __Miller, in REPO MAN__ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #305 ********************************