From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #302 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, September 25 2002 Volume 11 : Number 302 Today's Subjects: ----------------- harmony ruins a bloody good racket? [drew ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #300 ["Brian Hoare" ] Re: The German Way [Jason Miller ] it's good for business [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: it's good for business ["FS Thomas" ] Re: the German question [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: J Peasemould Gruntfuttock etc. [Michael R Godwin ] Re: The German Way [Michael R Godwin ] Lions And Tigers [Brian ] Re: But what I really mean is... [Stewart Russell ] Re: cheesey geekie shit [Stewart Russell ] Re: a series of short knee-jerk responses [John McIntyre ] From the Almost Unbelievable Department: ["*FS Thomas*" ] Politics, war, and even Eb! [The Great Quail ] brief Nader comments [Christopher Gross ] Re: The German Way [gSs ] Robyn on left, Kimberly on right? ["ross taylor" ] Re: The German Way ["*FS Thomas*" ] Negmaniax. Naderama. Nextdoor-Less. ["Rex.Broome" Subject: harmony ruins a bloody good racket? well. it's polite. it's pleasant. it's even-tempered. these are three things a soft boys album really shouldn't be. i will probably get used to the fact that i paid $16.00 for what is really a robyn hitchcock & the egyptians album with matt seligman standing in for andy metcalfe and kimberley rew guesting. i will probably learn to enjoy this record as hitchcock-flavored wallpaper. but i don't think i'm ever going to get excited about it. it's just not an exciting record. the tempo is pretty even all the way through, and morris windsor takes a share of the responsibility for the boredom by playing a sedate, adult-contemporary drum pattern for most of the songs. the songs themselves just don't turn me on, and haven't since i heard a few of them on the last tour. to paraphrase sondheim, "they're not good, they're not bad, they're just nice." this is not the band that clanged out "ugly nora," "sandra's having her brain out," and "old pervert," and while i don't miss the alleged misogyny i do miss that aura of nastiness and sordidness, both in the lyrics and the music. these boys never got too dirty, just enough to keep things interesting. the only songs that sound at all like soft boys songs are the only ones all four contributed to, the fun mostly-instrumental "i love lucy" and the lopsided but relatively unpredictable "strings". but line them up next to "the pigworker" or even "have a heart, betty (i'm not fireproof)" and you have to wonder what the point of this was. the reason is obvious: hitchcock's aged over 20 years and he just doesn't write songs like that anymore. his new stuff is excellent but it's just different in character. it's more personal, and most of the time it's less abrasive. but it's not less diverse; jewels for sophia had more variety over three songs than nextdoorland has in its entirety. what happened here? was it the awkwardness of writing songs for a full band again? eh. well, i'm starting to like "mind is connected" a little, though the "bzup bzup" stuff still seems lame and it still seems like self-parody. "i love lucy" and "la cherite" are terrific, if slight. "sudden town" isn't bad. the rest of it i can mostly take or leave, and i would definitely leave "mr. kennedy" (which gets actively annoying come solo time) and "lions and tigers," which no one seems to want to admit is not just uninvolving but actually a dud. i'm disappointed, but fortunately not surprised. i'll keep listening, and it'll probably grow on me, but i hope it's the sudden fertility of sophia and a star for bram that's robyn's future, and not this oddly half-assed nostalgia. - - drew ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 07:45:04 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #300 >From: "Golden Hind" >Amazon just told me its shipped NL, so Ill probly get it in 3 to 7 days:-(. >Brian -- why does Amazon love you more than it loves me? I got mine from .co.uk. >Did Brian mention Jerthero Tull's immortal "Bungle in the Jungle" in >connection with "Lions and Tigers." Or something more esoteric? A similar but a little less known piece. After Thick As A Brick Tull went off to Switzerland and recorded a load of material which for various reasons was abandoned. This set of recordings is known as the Chateau d'Isaster tapes. This provided source material for Passion Play and War Child. A polished up collection of these pieces appears in the 25th anniversary box set and on Nightcap. The song I was thinking of was Law Of The Bungle (see http://www.lyricsspot.com/song.php?s=9941). There is very little to connect this song to Lions And Tigers except that there are tigers in both of them Brian, whose entire cd collection is less than some counts for a single letter. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:07:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Jason Miller Subject: Re: The German Way There are 2 things that I find terribly funny about this whole thing: 1. The implication that Hitler's goal was not to conquer Europe and to create a greater Germanic state but to get the volk off his back until the economy picked up. 2. The implication that creating foreign squabbles to distract from domestic problems is a 20th century invention. As Shakespeare says in Henry IV, part 2: 'Therefore, my Harry, Be it thy course to busy giddy minds With foreign quarrels; that action, hence borne out, May waste the memory of the former days.' Ironically enough, King Henry was urging Hal to go on Crusade to retake the Holy Land from the 'Turk'. Perhaps Dubya is just a fan of great literature? Jason ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:46:01 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: it's good for business >> The democrats historically (and Gore's >> no different) have an absolutely dreadful history of inactivity from a >> military perspective. VietNam (Kennedy/Johnson), Cuba Blackade (Kennedy), Bay of Pigs (Kennedy), Korea (Truman), Berlin airlift (Truman), World War II (Roosevelt), World War I (Wilson). It is only in the last couple of Democrat administrations that there hasn't been too much in the way of military belligerance, and the reason for that is Carter and Clinton were far too busy forging friendships between countries and building peaceful relationships - something you can't do with tanks and missiles. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 07:33:58 -0400 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: Re: it's good for business Late last night I prattered: > >> The democrats historically (and Gore's > >> no different) have an absolutely dreadful history of inactivity from a > >> military perspective and this morning James Dignan countered: > VietNam (Kennedy/Johnson), Cuba Blackade (Kennedy), Bay of Pigs (Kennedy), > Korea (Truman), Berlin airlift (Truman), World War II (Roosevelt), World > War I (Wilson). VietNam: abject failure do to restrictions placed on the Military by the government Cuba Blockade: Nice idea but relatively ineffective Bay of Pigs: Get the resistance ramped up, promise support, and then let them get annihiliated rather than risk the lives of our troops. Korea: (see VietNam) Berlin airlift/WWI: no real complaints, save the short-sighted Versaille treaty which brought about WWII. WWII: With the exception of giving Allied leaders (read: Montgomery) too much reign in the beginning and giving Russia too much reign in the end, not too dreadful. > It is only in the last couple of Democrat administrations that there hasn't > been too much in the way of military belligerance, and the reason for that > is Carter and Clinton were far too busy forging friendships between > countries and building peaceful relationships - something you can't do with > tanks and missiles. In the last four years of his presidency Clinton was too busy focusing on Israel and Palestine, quite honestly, to do much else. Not to say that the situation doesn't need ironing out, but not at the cost of futher domestic policy. - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 04:49:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: the German question FS Thomas wrote: > The democrats historically (and Gore's no different) have an > absolutely dreadful history of inactivity from a > military perspective. Thus, our failure to be involved in WWI, WWII, the Korean War, or Vietnam.... ===== "If we don't allow journalists, politicians, and every two-bit Joe Schmo with a cause to grandstand by using 9-11 as a lame rhetorical device, then the terrorists have already won." -- "Shredder" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:03:11 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: J Peasemould Gruntfuttock etc. On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > But among other fascinating sites linked from that one, at > http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/cello/Polari.htm I note an entry for > "chaud." Interesting stuff. claims that naff was originally spelt naph, which would rule out the acronym hypothesis. It suggests that the whole dialect may be a Mediterranean pidgin heavily influenced by Italian, which possibly arrived in England by way of Italian organ grinders, strolling players etc. states that"mush" (much used by Tony Hancock) and "cosh" (much used by tough guys) are Romany. - - MRG n.p. Katrina & the Waves ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:28:39 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: The German Way > On Tuesday, September 24, 2002, at 11:26 AM, Michael R Godwin wrote: > > Very interesting that the US did not veto today's UN resolution calling > > for Israel to stop smashing up the Palestinian chairman's compound > > (passed 14-0 by the Security Council). Could this be the beginning of > > a more even-handed policy? On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, steve wrote: > Not in 1000 years. Well, there is some backing for that view today at "The BBC's Jim Fish in Jerusalem says Palestinians take heart from what they see as a shift in the American position, following its rare criticism on Monday of the Ramallah siege". - - MRG PS Ferris, you're forgetting that the Red Army won the war against Hitler, aided by the Russian climate - see: etc. Cf. Wallace Shawn: "Ha-ha, you fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is "Never get involved in a land war in Asia". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:55:27 -0400 From: Brian Subject: Lions And Tigers I posted this last night but it didn't get thru, so: Lions and Tigers: Hmm, I mostly like it except for the middle part. Is it just me or does this song sound like something off David Bowie's Scary Monsters? Maybe it's just the chorus... I Love Lucy, Unprotected Love, and Strings are gems! Nextdoorland is definately different than anything Hitchcock (or the SBs) have ever done. It certainly reflects the last tour. Lots of guitar jams and a very bold and experimental Seligman. His bass on Unprotected Love practical makes the song. - -------------- And- Drew: what Egyptians album does this remind you of? Mr. Kennedy, to me, is a very powerful song. I loved the dual Verlaine/Lloyd like guitars on the live versions from last year's tour. Actually I'm very satisfied with the studio versions of the 4 songs from last year's tour. I like Sudden Town much more. Little details worth mentioning: I dig the guitar delay that ends Pulse (good work Pat), and the weird, low vocal "aah" that's only featured for a second before the guitars start jamming in Kennedy. One thing that I will have to get used to is how Unprotected ends. The near end of the song puts me in a trance, then I'm suddenly woke with "YOU ARE AS HARD AS A DIAMOND!" I would prefer a fade out. The reason this has less variety than Jewels/Bram is because it's a band this time. The same people rehersing day in and out on everysong. There's much less variety in the personel. Over all I'm happy with this release. I expect it will grow on me more with time and I can't wait to get my hands on side 3. - -Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:35:47 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: But what I really mean is... rosso@videotron.ca wrote: > > It seems as though Robyn and Canada have given up on each other not a single copy to had at the shops I trawled downtown last night. fkrz. > It cost me 63.5 cents US, which means some prick from a college > radio station sold it for less than that at a used CD shop. that sounds like it was given away. maybe they didn't have one of those oversized CD players... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:38:22 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: An even geekier thread...? plus: slang, Irish, and sunsets James Dignan wrote: > > That is, the dusks are better the further you > get from the equator. yeah, but you guys got your seasons ass-backwards ... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:59:45 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: soft boys on bbc3 guapo stick forwarded: > >> Just to let you know that the soft boys will be in session with andy >> kershaw on bbc radio 3 on 18th october I still can't get over Radio 3 not being *the classical channel*. I usually expect a major series on Buxtehude, not les garcons mous. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:03:03 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: cheesey geekie shit Tom Clark wrote: > > So this is new? Timbuktu has done this on the Mac (and Windows too?) for > almost a decade. likewise vnc, cross-platform and free. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:06:59 -0400 From: John McIntyre Subject: Re: a series of short knee-jerk responses Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > (Ain't no such thing as "correct," of course - at least, I'm not letting > someone into my collection and rearranging it!) There's a marvelous scene in the movie _Party Girl_. Due to some drug induced indiscretions, Parker Posey has been sentenced to community service in the public library. She falls in love with the Dewey Decimal system, and her DJ boy friend comes home to prep for a gig, only to discover that she has rearranged his record collection according to the Dewey Decimal system. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:12:02 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: The German Way gSs wrote: > > ... all the voting systems in the rest of country? but the very respectable RISKS digest is worried about voting procedures: http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/22.25.html#subj1.1 Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:16:08 -0400 From: "*FS Thomas*" Subject: From the Almost Unbelievable Department: Peter Gabriel playing Uncasville, CT's Mohegan Sun Casino? You betcha. http://pollstar.com/tour/searchall.pl?Content=PETERGABRIEL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:17:57 -0400 From: "*FS Thomas*" Subject: Re: The German Way I'm not sure *any* voting system would be completely successful in Florida. Not for nothing, but the, shall we say, older population doesn't cotton well to change. Slips of paper stuffed into ballot boxes is probably the closes thing you're going to get to success. Combine them with a multi-lingual population and you're bound to have trouble. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:37:44 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Politics, war, and even Eb! First of all, about my recent comment.... I was not accusing every Nader voter on the List of claiming that Bush and Gore were identical. My fault -- when I wrote "the ones who..." I meant only "the ones who;" it was not my intention of including all "Naderites" as "the ones." I certainly see my mistake, and it's my fault. Sorry Rex and Mark. I also do NOT want to bring up the whole spoiler election issue again -- we shall never, ever, ever agree on this, and it's pointless to argue. Lots of bad blood has already been spilled. I was wondering, however, if some of those Naderites still think that Bush and Gore would have identical presidencies, or at the least, what would be different. Some people have already answered this. (And GSAS, I agree, I think Gore/Lieberman would be even more pro-Israeli.) Kay writes, > By the next election the country will be so polerized it will be interesting > to see if the Dems finially get the picture or not. They then may go left > and ally themselves with the Greens. I think this might just be a projection of your own wishes. On account of the last elections, the Greens have alienated themselves almost irretrievably from mainstream Democrats. The Greens -- especially with Nader - -- are a marginal party, with little power to win a national election, especially in a post 9/11 environment. Not to mention the alarming drift of the Democrats towards the right, and their remarkable reluctance to criticize the Bush regime. > I am under the impression that Eb has driven all the other female Naderites > off the list. Am I the only one who has noticed the recent lack of female > voices? What, Gnat and Viv? Well....first of all, Eb does not have the ability to drive anyone off the List. People leave the List of their own freewill. But having said that, I do not think that they are so thin-skinned, and I am sure that there is some other reason for their silence. Rex writes, > It also cannot be argued that I helped Bush win, largely because Bush did > NOT win. That is just, well, ridiculous. Go visit the White House and tell me who "won." I think the "facts on the ground" trump semantic distinctions. James writes, >How come when Al Qaeda launch a pre-emptive > strike it's called 'terrorism', and when the Bushbaby considers doing the > same it's called 'defending the nation'? James, you are a good-hearted man and very articulate, so I can't believe that you would seriously characterize the WTC attack as a "pre-emptive strike." I also think that Bush's plans to invade Iraq and replace Hussein are quite different from the WTC attacks, and while the cynical phrase "defending the nation" rankles with various hyperbolic toxins, it still can't be argued that the US would only be doing the same thing as al-Qaeda. Certainly you could make an eloquent case about US mendacity in Iraq, especially given the effect of sanctions; but that does not place al-Qaeda's goals and actions on an equal footing with Bush's Iraq policy. For the record, I don't think we should invade Iraq on principle alone -- I just don't think we have enough moral fortitude and committed interest to remain behind long enough and rebuild the country. However, I do believe that unless Hussein allows 100% uninhibited weapons inspections, the case may be different. And even then, I still think a larger threat comes from Saudi Arabia, our so-called "allies." - --Q. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:06:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: brief Nader comments This thread already seems to be dying down, so I'll keep it brief. (I tried to write last night, but my stupid mail server was inaccessible.) On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Rex.Broome wrote: > No no no no no no no no. I am so sick of hearing this. I voted for Nader. > Twice. Was it because I thought there was no difference between Democrats & > Republicans? No. Do not tell me that I have ever said that, because I have > not, even if Nader himelf did articulate that supposition in his campaign. I started to make a reply to the effect that Quail probably didn't mean that ALL Nader-voting Fegs said that Gore and Bush were identical. But then the Quail himself just posted a clarification, so I can delete that part now. Meanwhile, if anyone doubts that SOME Nader-voting Fegs said that there would be no difference between a Gore and a Bush presidency (or even that Gore would be worse!), you need only check the list archives for 2000. > It also cannot be argued that I helped Bush win, largely because Bush did > NOT win. And I did not help Gore lose. Gore helped Gore lose. By sucking. > Sucking very badly. Did he alienate the base? Oh yeah. You, personally, as a Californian voter, did not help Gore lose; but the Nader candidacy certainly did. See below. On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Mark Gloster wrote: > Third: If Nader brought 2% of the voters into the election and got 2% > of the vote, why do Demikratz still obsess about him? The truth is > that Gore lost the election to a complete idiot. Gore had a big lead > on the shrubling even with 5% of us planning to vote for Nader. He First of all, Democrats might have strong views about Nader when he happens to come up in conversation, but I have yet to meet one who is "obsessed" about him. When Democrats hash over 2000, their anger is reserved for the Supreme Court first, Florida second, and Gore's own campaign third; Nader just gets the leftovers. Secondly, Nader CAN be said to have thrown the election to Bush. ANYTHING that reduced Gore's votes or increased Bush's enough to swing the result can be blamed, with equal accuracy. Gore's missteps were one such thing; Nader's candidacy was another. Both are to blame. I despair of ever convincing any Nader voters of this, but let's try an analogy. Suppose you take $20 and walk to the record store. On the way, you are robbed by Pickpocket A, who takes $4 from your pocket. A few minutes later, Pickpocket B strikes, taking another $5. When you get to the store, you find yourself with only $11, while Nextdoorland costs $17. Your life is ruined! But who is to blame for this Nextdoorlandlessness? Pickpocket A? Yes, because even if you still had the rest of your money, the $4 he took left you with too little to buy the CD. But Pickpocket B also took too much for you to buy the CD, even if Pickpocket A had left you alone. Either one, by himself, left you without enough money to buy the CD. BOTH are responsible. Similarly, in 2000, if Gore had run a better campaign, he might have gotten enough votes to win Florida unambiguously, and thus the election. But at the same time, if 20% of Nader voters had voted for Gore instead (and when polled, more like 40% of Nader voters said they would have voted for Gore if Nader hadn't run), that too would have been enough to put Florida unambiguously in the Gore column, beyond the reach of Karen Hughes or the Supreme Court. So it's as fair to blame Nader's running at all as it is to blame Gore's running poorly; if EITHER ONE hadn't happened, Gore would have won. Okay, that's all I wanna say about Nader. You all got off easy this time! - --Chris (surprised that Gore's recent speech about Iraq didn't get more notice in this thread) ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:15:07 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: The German Way On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, steve wrote: > > Very interesting that the US did not veto today's UN resolution calling > > for Israel to stop smashing up the Palestinian chairman's compound > > (passed > > 14-0 by the Security Council). Could this be the beginning of a more > > even-handed policy? > > > Not in 1000 years. why then didn't the us veto the resolution? i'm not saying anything has changed but maybe Bush has Satan up his ass and the silly things phrophetic jews, christians and catholics say are true. It's the world against Isreal. But that of course is only if Bush has Satan up his ass and all those religious idiots got it right. Wouldn't that make things interesting? You know for there actually to be a war of good against evil. (snicker snicker). I wonder if god's army of angels and satan's minion ever have to stop and pee? we could make lots of money renting port-a-pots. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:16:16 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: Robyn on left, Kimberly on right? Enjoying NextDoorLand. I think I consistently hear Robyn's guitar on the left (i.e. the earphone that's in my left ear) and Kimberly's on the right -- K w/ more choppy, syncopated strumming & harsher, fatter tone, R w/ more fingerpicking, or strumming that's more a straight pulse, guitar maybe a bit chorused from time to time? Of course there's some multitracking, at least on Mr. Kennedy & Strings, w/ recreational stereo panning (partic. on Mr. K.) for the 3rd & 4th guitar or "sitar," but w/ single-note stuff it's harder for me to tell their styles apart. Definitely like consistant postitioning of the 2 guitarists on a record that features the guitar interplay. I'm liking songs I was afraid I might not like, I Love Lucy, Mind Is Connected, & esp. Japanese Captain. My feeling is the lyrics aren't as strong here as on say, Jewels for Sophia. The simpler, "narrative" songs like Mr. K. or Sudden Town are simpler, the weirder songs like Strings or Japanese Captain are closer to whimsy, lack some of the suggestiveness of his best work, but I could be wrong. For instance I can't see any point to the refrain of "like a Japanese Captain" except to suggest the Japanophilia of New Wave. Haven't gotten onto the lyrics of J.C., but like the "different" music, arrangement. Strings reminds me a bit of Friction by Television; but I could sorta hear Verlaine singing Mr. K. Strings also makes me think of Wey Wey Up A Hole -- I think there's a roof/ proof rhyme in there somewhere. Maybe even has a touch of slidey bass like Robyns sliding bass in Lightbulb Head. Guitar etc. sounds remind be not so much of U.M. as Fegmania!, which is fine w/ me. Those slightly processed arpeggios do have hints of Abbey Road, I guess dangerously close to AOR. Lions & Tigers sounds pretty Lennonish to me, maybe some relation to The Leopard? :) Sha la la. Can I have side three yet? Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:37:51 -0400 From: "*FS Thomas*" Subject: Re: The German Way - ----- Original Message ----- From: "gSs" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 12:15 PM Subject: Re: The German Way > ...maybe Bush has Satan up his ass and the silly things phrophetic > jews, christians and catholics say are true. Playing the Horned One's advocate, conversely, Bush could have God up his ass. - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:10:53 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Negmaniax. Naderama. Nextdoor-Less. Jeffrey FF: >>And everyone should go out and buy all records by The Negro Problem and by >>Stew (the band's singer, songwriter, and, uh, namesake). Yes yes yes. This year the Negro Problem went from a band I had seen around town and casually enjoyed, to one of my all-time favorite bands. Dunno why, they just clicked. I don't know if everyfeg would like them, but look at Stew: a literate, quirky singer-songwriter-guitarist with a serious gift for melody and an understanding that humor and pathos are not opposites. Sound familiar? He's amazing. I guess your taste in quirks would determine your enthusiasm for him... Can't even recommend a starting point. All three Negro Problem records and both Stew albums are great. But maybe Stew's "The Naked Dutch Painter"... that's the one that utterly converted me. ________________ Me: > PS- if Gore is nominated again, there's gonna be trouble. gSs: >>yeah, i'll get drunk and break a glass of something and maybe buy a house >>near kamloops. Make sure it has a guest cottage that'll house a family of four. I'll bring the drinks. Mark G: >>Believe me, I still am very angry with myself for not voting for Nader. I regret >>every day of my life casting my vote for Gore. I don't think I necessarily speak for >>any other person who supported Nader. It is so refreshing to hear that. And it's very much what I was getting at. Why ARE the Democrats still pissed about Nader? Al Gore created Nader... if there hadn't been a Nader we would've had to create him. I voted for Bradley in the primary. Bradley was my guy. He shoulda been the Democrats' guy, too. To me, the continued Nader-bashing indicates that the Dems didn't learn a damned thing from this whole fiasco. While it's true that Gore did carry they popular vote-- barely-- it is an embarassment that Bush even came CLOSE. That seems to get forgotten. I don't know how, when the evidence of Dubya's weaknesses on all fronts stare us in the face daily. Ah, but ain't that America. _____________ James: >>(sometimes it pays to have your catalogue in spreadsheet form!) Yeah. My friends routinely mock me for that, but it pays off. Good to be able to browse titles and jog your memory when doing thematic compilations, check the release date of an album at a glance, or do really weird things. Like me and my friends one time revisited our old college haunts to celebrate a decade of friendship, and we wanted to drive around listening to music of that vintage. I pull up my spreadsheet, filter by year of release, and boom, there's everything in my collection released in 1989. As such I can not only tell you what letter of the alphabet, but also what years dominate my collection. I could graph them to show the ebb and flow of music I like from year to year. But I won't. Eb.: >>Bzzzt. The fanboy variable warps the results, when you include every >>little thang. Try again, counting only full-length, official albums. Shan't! The fanboy variable is an accurate and integral part of collecting. Every time I buy, say, two imported Cornershop singles, shoring up the "C's", that's money that I did not spend on anything else, once again preventing, say, a full-length Tori Amos record from infiltrating my collection to boost the "A's". (Fire away!) ________ Okay, nobody in Los Angeles will sell me Nextdoorland. At least nobody between my work and my house. Will I have to order it online *after* its release date? Will this be the straw that breaks the back of the wheezing camel that embodies my desire to continue living in LA? Who know what evil lurks within the hearts of men? - -Rex ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #302 ********************************