From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #301 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, September 25 2002 Volume 11 : Number 301 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: The German Way [gSs ] Whatever happend to... [Tom Clark ] Nader voter speaks, briefly and crankily ["Rex.Broome" ] alphabet poop ["da9ve stovall" ] An even geekier thread...? plus: slang, Irish, and sunsets [grutness@surf] Re: The German Way [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] brief unlurkury [Mark Gloster ] canadian releases? [John Barrington Jones ] Re: Nader voter speaks, briefly and crankily [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: canadian releases? [steve ] reading backwards [Jill Brand ] Re: The German Way [steve ] Re: But what I really mean is... [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Whatever happend to... (sorry, butterfingers!) [rosso@videotron.ca] Re: #300 [Eb ] Re: the German question ["FS Thomas" ] Re: J Peasemould Gruntfuttock etc. [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:47:24 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: The German Way On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > (Footnote: so remember how Katherine Harris and Jeb Bush said they'd fix > Florida's election system and make it a model for the rest of the country? > Florida's recent election is even more fucked up than their votes in the > 2000 presidential race...) are you familiar with all the voting systems in the rest of country? i think the specific locations reveal far more about the officials in those areas than anything else. but of course that is fairly obvious. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:49:05 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Whatever happend to... First the Yardbirds, then an illustrious solo career, now Windows NT networking... http://www.apc.net/jeffb/ - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:08:10 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Nader voter speaks, briefly and crankily Quail: >>So, by the way -- not to start a flame war -- but where are all the List >>Naderites? The one who said that a Gore and Bush presidency would be >>identical? I am curious what you think now, one year into this farce of a >>presidency.... No no no no no no no no. I am so sick of hearing this. I voted for Nader. Twice. Was it because I thought there was no difference between Democrats & Republicans? No. Do not tell me that I have ever said that, because I have not, even if Nader himelf did articulate that supposition in his campaign. The fact that there IS *some* difference is NOT an argument against voting for the candidate whose views are more like yours than either major party, especially when "my" party-- the one I'm registered to, anyway-- puts forth a version of Al Gore who did NOTHING but sell out, kowtow, and focus-group himself away from all of the reasons I used to support him with something resembling enthusiasm. It's too long ago to go into all the many, many ways that guy pissed me off, but you can guess. They are legion. Now, to be honest, I had it easy voting for Nader. I live in the State of California where no way in hell were any electoral votes going to Bush. So I was in an ideal position to register a genuine protest vote. It also cannot be argued that I helped Bush win, largely because Bush did NOT win. And I did not help Gore lose. Gore helped Gore lose. By sucking. Sucking very badly. Did he alienate the base? Oh yeah. Sorry, I've been boiling about that one for a while. Peace out. Rex PS- if Gore is nominated again, there's gonna be trouble. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:48:11 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: But what I really mean is... ...that I'm cranky because Virgin Burbank don't gots no Nextdoorland. They also still haven't gotten the new Negro Problem record that came out three weeks ago. It's a LOCAL BAND, people. Shoulda followed procedure and ordered online. Could stop at Penny Lane on way home but am in no way confident they will do any better. Anyways, Kay already said all that Nader stuff better'n me already. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:54:00 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: re: whatever it was Quail: > So, by the way -- not to start a flame war -- but where are all the List > Naderites? The one who said that a Gore and Bush presidency would be > identical? I am curious what you think now, one year into this farce of a > presidency.... you really think gore and the isrealite by proxy would have made any difference? i guess atta would have aimed the plane at some sorta kurdish monument, shiite mosque or a single bloody catholic instead because all the problems the rest of the world has with the us, except the uk of course because they are anglican and anglicans don't slight anglicans, came to be in the last 18 months? Rex.Broome: > They are legion. well said. relational grouping at it's finest with enough spin coming from each ass end to give every partisan a warm sloshey feeling. > PS- if Gore is nominated again, there's gonna be trouble. yeah, i'll get drunk and break a glass of something and maybe buy a house near kamloops. gSs ------------------------------ Date: 24 Sep 2002 16:05:40 -0700 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: alphabet poop >>sorting by letter, the s's had the largest number of cd's and records. > >For ages, I've had a casual, unscientific theory that every >good-sized collection is dominated by the letters S, B, C, M and P >(quite possibly in that order). Check for yourselves, at your leisure. > >Eb Hm. At #1: Z, courtesy of Zappa and John Zorn, each clocking in at 60+ releases. I guess that's if you don't count bootlegs/live recordings, which would catapult B(eatles) and P(hish) and K(eneally) (and possibly C(aptain Beefheart)) to competitive heights. da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:11:12 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: An even geekier thread...? plus: slang, Irish, and sunsets >>sorting by letter, the s's had the largest number of cd's and records. > >For ages, I've had a casual, unscientific theory that every >good-sized collection is dominated by the letters S, B, C, M and P >(quite possibly in that order). Check for yourselves, at your leisure. I agree with that 80%, although I can't think of many artists beginning with P that I particularly like. A quick statistical check (sometimes it pays to have your catalogue in spreadsheet form!) reveals: Total (excluding compilations, which are filed separately after Z, BTW): 1476 (1) B, 161; (2) S, 159; (3) C, 147; (4) M, 99; (5) H, 76; (6) D, 75; (7) T, 74; (8) J, 70; (9) P, 67; (10) G, 65; (11) F, 58; (12) R, 57; (13) K, 49; (14) E, 47; (15) A, 44; (16) L, 39; (17) O, 38; (18) W, 33; (19) V, 29; (20) N, 20; (21) I, 19; (22=) U and X, 16; (24) Y, 12; (25) Z, 6; (26) Q, 0. Some of these have been artificially buoyed by one artist (Eno, King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Robyn Hitchcock, XTC). It always surprises me that the N section is so thin. But it's intriguiong that B, C, and S each account for around 10% of my collection, followed by a big gap down to M, then a whole bunch very close together (the peleton?). Hm. I must see whether I can get a copy of Quiet Sun's "Mainstream" album on CD... >Is it true that Irish telephone directories just skip alphabetizing Mc, >Mac, O altogether and do it by the rest of the name? I thought I'd read >that once. that's certainly true with O with a lot of books on Ireland. Which is useful if you're doing genealogical research on a name like (O) Duigenan >You'd know British slang better than I would, I suppose, but based on my >exposure to the Goon Show I had always assumed 'naff' meant 'the quality >of goods supplied by the NAAFI canteen'. The explanation given at that URL >depends on a naughty acronym, which screams "etymological legend" to me. the Oxford Dictionary of Modern Slang gives 1959 as its earliest recorded usage, and suggests either backslang for a term for female genitalia or a variant of 'eff', short for something beginning with F. >> The light (dusk) in parts of this movie is breathtaking. > >that's Glasgow for you. The further north you go, the better the dusks. and the further south, too! That is, the dusks are better the further you get from the equator. James (roaming in the gloaming) James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:10:55 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: The German Way >I'm very curious if any of you have feelings or thoughts about the current >conflict between the Bush administration and Germany? uh-oh - ranting thread alert. (How come when Al Qaeda launch a pre-emptive strike it's called 'terrorism', and when the Bushbaby considers doing the same it's called 'defending the nation'?) >(Footnote: so remember how Katherine Harris and Jeb Bush said they'd fix >Florida's election system and make it a model for the rest of the country? >[...]) hm. the words "fix", "election", and "Florida" in the same sentence! >Bachman, Michael wrote: >> >> My ancestors left Alsace ... Herr Bachman >> (Bachman meaning a person that lives by a brook) Alice's Rosenbrock ancestors left Hamburg a couple of centuries back. As far as I know, any German ancestors I might have were still calling themselves Saxons when they arrived in the UK. >PS I'm worried about my stepdaughter, who converted to Judaism recently. >She has insisted on going to Israel this week with the Council of >Christians and Jews: I hope she gets back OK. Their page > includes a thoughtful essay by Jonathan Gorsky. I hate to ask this, but has anyone heard from our Israeli Feg recently...? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:15:45 -0700 From: Mark Gloster Subject: brief unlurkury The Great Unhappy says: >So, by the way -- not to start a flame war -- but where are all the >List Naderites? The one who said that a Gore and Bush presidency >would be identical? I am curious what you think now, one year into >this farce of a presidency.... Uhm. Well, at the risk of buying into a flambe shallange, I'll bite. I have been receiving F'gmaniax, but mostly haven't been reading it. First: I believed in Nader's message. I continue to believe that he is the only person to have run for president during my age of voting elligibility to posess a shred of honesty. Second: My feelings were infected by my ability to perceive shades of gray. I never said that they were equal. I did say that their politics appeared almost identical. Third: If Nader brought 2% of the voters into the election and got 2% of the vote, why do Demikratz still obsess about him? The truth is that Gore lost the election to a complete idiot. Gore had a big lead on the shrubling even with 5% of us planning to vote for Nader. He lied on TV, thinking that he wouldn't be graded harshly for it, nevermind that sonofabush did too. Fourth: (an aside): The thing I feel most hopelessly horrible about is that I, like too many other Greens and Nader supporters caved in and voted for Gore. (I traded votes, but I don't imagine that the person with whom I traded kept his part of the deal.) He lost, our voices were taken away by our fear of the asshole that won anyway. Believe me, I still am very angry with myself for not voting for Nader. Fifth: Gore may have mishandled the post 9/11- he would not have been allowed a month to retaliate. Of course, there are those that believe and make a good case for the events to have been prevented with a Gore presidency. The truth is that apathy on part of the electorate and mishandling of the election is what lost the election for Gore. We don't know that he had any silver bullets to handle the war or the economy, though it is certain that his moral compass works some of the time. To react to the flamier sentiment of the post, I don't think that Nader supporters have anybody to apologize to. Our society is shouldering the consequences. I regret every day of my life casting my vote for Gore. I don't think I necessarily speak for any other person who supported Nader. I fully expect that Gore would be less of a puppet and less of an idiot, but incredibly capable of badly screwing up the aftermath. Remember how he was colored as a liberal in the press. I think that would hurt his ability to run a war. No, I don't think Nader would have magical powers there, either. Please don't take any word or group of words as an endorsement of dubya or any of his actions. His is the kind of people that makes me question the whole concept of natural selection. Please paypal 2 cents. Happies, - -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:16:51 -0700 (PDT) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: canadian releases? does anybody know a good way to obtain a canadian release? there's a new ron sexsmith cd out today - the limited edition features an extra cd containing ron's first album. the us release doesn't come out for awhile. any ideas? maplemusic.com doesn't have it listed. =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:31:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Nader voter speaks, briefly and crankily "Rex.Broome" wrote: amen, and what he said, though I deleted it for space. > PS- if Gore is nominated again, there's gonna be trouble. I would be beyond shocked if Gore even really gets a legitimate sniff in 2004, should he even decide to run, considering he probably ran the worst major party political campaign in US history (and the US can probably be left out of that sentence). Just a hunch, and 2 years from now, I'll probably be proven wrong, but my guess is it's John Kerry, and he crushes Bush -- who will somehow in the next two years lose more popularity than he father did -- like a narc at a biker rally. ===== "If we don't allow journalists, politicians, and every two-bit Joe Schmo with a cause to grandstand by using 9-11 as a lame rhetorical device, then the terrorists have already won." -- "Shredder" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 21:15:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: the German question When my husband came home to tell me what the German minister of whateveritis (I don't remember which Ministerium she is/was in) said about Bush's proceeding in the same manner as Hitler, my absolute first gut reaction was, "He's not as smart as Hitler was." When that kind of thing is the first to come to the mind of a person whose mother barely made it out of Germany in December 1938 (after Kristallnacht) and whose mother lost 75% of her family to the camps, you know that OUR country is in serious trouble. And speaking of Republican jokers, Massachusetts may well end up with Mitt Romney, Mr. Salt Lake City Olympics to those of you who don't know the name, as its next governor. One of his three big campaign promises is that of ending bi-lingual education in the state. The economy is going to the shithouse, schools are understaffed and overcrowded, but he's going to end bi-lingual education. And this prince amongst spoiled brats (daddy was governor of Michigan, for those of you too young to remember) lives up the hill from me, literally (all I can think of is John Braine's novel Room at the Top, which was made into a so-so movie with great performances by Laurence Harvey and Simone Signoret). I can only hope that the largely Catholic electorate won't trust a Mormon to be their governor when they can have one of their own (albeit a woman) instead. No difference between a Bush and Gore presidency? Ha! Maybe we can meet in Washington on 10/26 under a Fegs for Peace banner. Wouldn't that just be totally misconstrued. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:22:02 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: canadian releases? On Tuesday, September 24, 2002, at 06:16 PM, John Barrington Jones wrote: > does anybody know a good way to obtain a canadian release? Try this - http://www.hmv.com/ - - Steve __________ "When we were getting ready to announce for the 1992 campaign, the Bush people said to us, 'Don't run this time -- wait four years and you'll have a free pass. If you do run, we'll destroy you.' And I said to Bill, 'What are they talking about -- how could they do that?' And now we're finding out." - Hillary Clinton to David Talbot, March 1998 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 21:37:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: reading backwards I read the responses to Sebastian's post before I read the actual post, so Sebastian, please know that there are Americans (a fair number around my way) who think that Schroeder's stance is the RIGHT stance and that Tony Blair had better find his seat on the other side of the aisle soon. I don't think that non-support for a military action presupposes support for Saddam's regime. Truly, I think that Bush's concept of war was formed around GI Joe, and he probably still plays with those little soldier guys that are in the beginning of Toy Story. At least his father was in WWII and has a certain amount of understanding of carnage (not that I have much to say for him either). So when you wrote " I *love* America and at the same time I hate its politics. But as Bush said: you're either with us or against us ..." , all I could think of was, "Exactly. This is what Bush said, which makes its chances of validity minimal." Hoch die internationale Solidaritaet!! Jill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:46:17 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: The German Way On Tuesday, September 24, 2002, at 11:26 AM, Michael R Godwin wrote: > Very interesting that the US did not veto today's UN resolution calling > for Israel to stop smashing up the Palestinian chairman's compound > (passed > 14-0 by the Security Council). Could this be the beginning of a more > even-handed policy? Not in 1000 years. - - Steve __________ "The logic of missile defense is to make the stakes of power projection compatible with the risks of power projection," says Keith B. Payne, a deterrence theory expert and an ardent supporter of missile defense. - Bill Keler, NYT ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:52:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: But what I really mean is... On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Rex.Broome wrote: > ...that I'm cranky because Virgin Burbank don't gots no Nextdoorland. They > also still haven't gotten the new Negro Problem record that came out three > weeks ago. It's a LOCAL BAND, people. I'm listening to _Nextdoorland_ right now, nyah-nyah-na-nyah-nyah. And everyone should go out and buy all records by The Negro Problem and by Stew (the band's singer, songwriter, and, uh, namesake). Eccentric, sharply observed lyrics, arrangements inspired by the sharper edges of Jimmy Webb and Burt Bacharach as well as some usual-suspect B...-bands, etc. But I haven't heard the new one yet. Once I get paid... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, who held his nose and voted for Gore (despite being way more sympathetic toward Nader's positions) because he lives in Wisconsin, where Bush *coulda* won, and that would've been way worse than Gore winning. Oh wait - Gore *did* win, and it didn't matter. Maybe *that's* what some of those Naderites meant... J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::[clever or pithy quote]:: __[source of quote]__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 21:33:24 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Nader voter speaks, briefly and crankily On Tuesday, September 24, 2002, at 05:08 PM, Rex.Broome wrote: > It also cannot be argued that I helped Bush win, largely because Bush > did > NOT win. And I did not help Gore lose. Gore helped Gore lose. By > sucking. > Sucking very badly. Did he alienate the base? Oh yeah. If Bush did NOT win, then Gore did not really lose, no matter how bad a campaign he ran. As for alienating the base, he got the second highest popular vote total ever, after Raygun's re-election landslide. You *must* have the majority of the votes from the middle 20 percent of the electorate to win a presidential election. Don't even think about what a candidate says during a campaign, they're politicians and they say whatever they think will get them that little extra slice of votes that will put them over the top. Look at their past positions, that will tell you how they will act in the future. - ---------- We are very very lucky that Jim Jeffords threw the Senate to the Democrats. Otherwise, there would have been a flood of right wing legislation, mitigated only by the need for 60 votes on some things in the Senate. And all the Federalist Society creeps that Bush has nominated to the courts would also flood through, rather than some of them being knocked off in committee. There's one more moderate eastern Republican who might jump ship, but that's all the margin there is in November. - - Steve __________ If the president fell flat on his face in the middle of the Rose Garden some of these characters would applaud his uncanny foresight in having arranged for the ground to be in just the right place to break his descent. Shades of the personality cult. - Josh Marshall, on the right wing echo chamber ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 22:28:20 -0400 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: But what I really mean is... On 24 Sep 2002 at 20:52, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > I'm listening to _Nextdoorland_ right now, nyah-nyah-na-nyah-nyah. So am I, and I don't even know if they'll release it here in Canada. I had to get those vinyl releases in the USA. It seems as though Robyn and Canada have given up on each other -- or at least Robyn and Montreal. It cost me 63.5 cents US, which means some prick from a college radio station sold it for less than that at a used CD shop. The Soft Boys deserve better than that. Robyn/Matt: If side 3 is in the commercial release I'll buy one retail anyway -- but how could I resist? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 00:02:19 -0400 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: Whatever happend to... On 24 Sep 2002 at 14:49, Tom Clark wrote: > First the Yardbirds, then an illustrious solo career, > now Windows NT networking... > > http://www.apc.net/jeffb/ > > > -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 00:00:18 -0400 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: Re: The German Way On Tuesday, September 24, 2002, at 11:26 AM, Michael R Godwin wrote: > > Very interesting that the US did not veto today's UN resolution calling > for Israel to stop smashing up the Palestinian chairman's compound > (passed > 14-0 by the Security Council). Could this be the beginning of a more > even-handed policy? It's not that they didn't veto it. They abstained from voting. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 00:04:44 -0400 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: Whatever happend to... (sorry, butterfingers!) On 24 Sep 2002 at 14:49, Tom Clark wrote: > First the Yardbirds, then an illustrious solo career, > now Windows NT networking... > > http://www.apc.net/jeffb/ Worse still -- here's Elvis Costello as Judas goat luring you to cripple your soundcard: http://www.theregus.com/content/4/26387.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 21:14:25 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: #300 From: "Rex.Broome" > >>For ages, I've had a casual, unscientific theory that every >>>good-sized collection is dominated by the letters S, B, C, M and P >>>(quite possibly in that order). Check for yourselves, at your leisure. > >First of all, let he who is without having started a really geeky thread >cast the first stone. Well, I did say "Check for yourselves, at your leisure." Which implied "Check your collection on your time, but avoid posting your findings unless you can't resist." >C: 255 discs >B: 226 discs >S: 214 discs >M: 162 discs >H: 133 discs > >All of the top 5 are boosted by >"complete-ish" collections... folks for whom I have lots of singles, boots, >promos etc. Bzzzt. The fanboy variable warps the results, when you include every little thang. Try again, counting only full-length, official albums. And don't count dupes, if you have an album in more than one pressing/format. And by the way, I believe my SBCMP theory may apply to both albums *and* artists. It certainly does, in my own case.... >From: "Golden Hind" > >I am under the impression that Eb has driven all the other female Naderites >off the list. Am I the only one who has noticed the recent lack of female >voices? You're the only one who has escaped me. You've seen the old Terence Stamp film "The Collector," right? I shouldn't have to explain further. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 00:21:56 -0400 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: Re: the German question - ----- Original Message ----- Some time around 9PM Jill Brand said: > > ...my absolute first gut > reaction was, "He's not as smart as Hitler was." When that kind of thing > is the first to come to the mind of a person whose mother barely made it > out of Germany in December 1938 (after Kristallnacht) and whose mother > lost 75% of her family to the camps, you know that OUR country is in > serious trouble. Not in disrespect to what your family--and countless others--went through, but Germany's comment is so far off mark that it's rediculous. As an aquaintance of mine once said, "you have to kick Germany every fifty years or so to keep them in line." And they had been doing *so* well up till now. (And as an aside: am I the only one a little wigged by the popularity of their ultra-conservative "Christian Democrats" party? Read up on them sometime. The AJC ran an article on Monday about the election and how Stroibel (sp?) garnered the votes he did in a last-minute (and popular, apparently) ploy against immigration. Sounds a *bit* like Nazi Germany, there. "Our troubles are the faults of the non-Deutchlander. Blame them, not ourselves." "The opposition from today is the government of tomorrow" -Angela Merkel, the chairwoman of the CDs ) > No difference between a Bush and Gore presidency? Ha! One major difference. I (still) shudder to think of what the reaction would have been had Gore been in power at this time last year. While he's never been in the number one seat, just look at Clinton's career when we have been under attack: The WTC bombing (no reaction), the African Embassy bombings (nothing), the USS Cole (nothing). The democrats historically (and Gore's no different) have an absolutely dreadful history of inactivity from a military perspective. Peace? I'm all for it. Honestly. What I'm strongly opposed to is adopting a policy of ignorance and inactivity when attacked. A strictly reactionary stance (as opposed to pro-active) is suicidal. - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 00:08:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: J Peasemould Gruntfuttock etc. On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Stewart Russell wrote: > *: Polare: archaic UK gay slang/cant. Handy intro here: > http://www.chris-d.net/polari/ -- so now you can learn what 'naff' Agreed with Aaron about the acronymic origins - acronyms tend to form words only recently, and then primarily in technical fields (i.e., "radar"). But among other fascinating sites linked from that one, at http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/cello/Polari.htm I note an entry for "chaud." Poor Fric - we're always funnin' him... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::American people like their politics like Pez - small, sweet, and ::coming out of a funny plastic head. __Dennis Miller__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 00:14:19 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: the German question On Tuesday, September 24, 2002, at 11:21 PM, FS Thomas wrote: > One major difference. I (still) shudder to think of what the reaction > would > have been had Gore been in power at this time last year. While he's > never > been in the number one seat, just look at Clinton's career when we > have been > under attack: The WTC bombing (no reaction), the African Embassy > bombings > (nothing), the USS Cole (nothing). The democrats historically (and > Gore's > no different) have an absolutely dreadful history of inactivity from a > military perspective. People were caught, tried, and put in prison for the WTC bombing. Operations, covert and not, were authorized and carried out against OBL, some are probably still unknown. Considering the lack of interest by the American public and the continual attack against Clinton by various right wing forces, the idea that he was in the position to order a large scale military operation is beyond foolish. Not to mention all the Democratic presidents in office during times of war. - - Steve __________ While still at the Department of Justice, Rehnquist provided the best definition of a strict constructionist I have ever encountered. It was in a memo Rehnquist wrote while he was vetting Judge Clement Haynsworth, one of Nixon's selections who was rejected by the Senate. Rehnquist wrote, in brief, that a strict constructionist was anyone who likes prosecutors and dislikes criminal defendants and who favors civil rights defendants over civil rights plaintiffs. That is as candid and blunt as you can get. And that is the real definition of a strict constructionist. - John Dean ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #301 ********************************