From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #300 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, September 24 2002 Volume 11 : Number 300 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: The German Way ["matt sewell" ] Re: The German Way ["*FS Thomas*" ] Re: The German Way [Christopher Gross ] Re: J Peasemould Gruntfuttock etc. [Michael R Godwin ] Re: The German Way [Michael R Godwin ] Re: The German Way [The Great Quail ] Re: The German Way [Michael R Godwin ] Childish thoughts [Marshall Needleman Armintor ] RE: The German Way ["Bachman, Michael" ] Today's post is brought to you by the letter "C" ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Childish thoughts [Stewart Russell ] Prock the Ven, now! ["Golden Hind" ] thesoftboys.com [guapo stick ] Re: cheesey geekie shit [gSs ] Re: thesoftboys.com [Brian ] Re: cheesey geekie shit [Tom Clark ] Re: a series of short knee-jerk responses [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: cheesey geekie shit [gSs ] Re:Feelm ["ross taylor" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:30:58 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: The German Way I shouldn't worry, Sebastian, I think that the US will go after the other members of the so-called "axis of evil" before moving on to China - Germany is safe (for the moment). I was surprised, though at the level of anger the US administration have at Germany, accusing them of "poisoning" relations. Strong words - it seems even schroeder offering them the minister in question's head on a plate did not appease them. Like I said, Germany's safe until *after* China, by which time the *whole world* will be fucked. Luckily I'm only months away from becoming a nuclear power - just need a science team and a place to do research into it, a place to develop the missile technology, a few factories for manufacturing the parts, oh, and some of the good stuff - enriched Uranium or Plutonium, thereafter it's just a matter of time (unless I have UN inspectors send round the flat, swiftly followed by airstrikes). Cheers Matt >From: Sebastian Hagedorn People here in Germany still aren't sure >if he is going to be true to his word now that the election is over, >but two things are clear. He remained in office *because* of that >stance and the Bush administration is upset about it. > >Adding to that, the Secretary of Justice allegedly compared Bush to >Hitler. It's not entirely clear exactly *what* she did say >My feelings about that are "So what? Fuck him!", but a lot of people >here are scared that Germany will be next right after Iraq ... :-) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:36:18 -0400 From: "*FS Thomas*" Subject: Re: The German Way - ----- Original Message ----- From: "matt sewell" > > I was surprised, though at the level of anger the US administration have > at Germany, accusing them of "poisoning" relations. Strong words - it > seems even schroeder offering them the minister in question's head on a > plate did not appease them. When a German official (the key word being *German*) compares the US president to Hitler, it's bound to cause a rift. - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:49:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: The German Way On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Michael R Godwin wrote: > According to: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2276440.stm > the US Defence Secretary said that Schroeder had "poisoned" relations > between America and Germany. That seems ridiculously overstated. Definitely overstated, but then, that's the current administration's normal tone in all its pronouncements. It'll be interesting to see if the Bushies carry on their fit of pique for very long; carrying grudges would fit in well with their general black-and-white world view. > And > surely with a name like that, Rumsfeld must be of German origin himself. Doubtless, but he's probably no more Germanophilic or Germanophobic than the average American. German-Americans (who make up a pretty large fraction of the total US population) are generally less interested in their roots than almost any other ethnic group: assimilation, intermarriage, two wars, and the NSDAP have all helped cut those ties. - --Herr Gross ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:49:46 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: J Peasemould Gruntfuttock etc. On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Aaron Mandel wrote: > You'd know British slang better than I would, I suppose, but based on my > exposure to the Goon Show I had always assumed 'naff' meant 'the quality > of goods supplied by the NAAFI canteen'. * NAAFI = Navy Army Air Force Institute, I think - i.e. the bog-standard canteen. I used to have some NAAFI tokens somewhere but I think they got nicked. > The explanation given at that URL depends on a naughty acronym, which > screams "etymological legend" to me. * Agreed. Someone needs to capture this stuff before it disappears. A mass of slang came out of 1939-1945, and it is fading away as the participants fall off their perches. In particular, every joke in the Goon Show needs to be examined for a possible rude meaning. - Mike "Trembling Knees" Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:56:25 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: The German Way On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, matt sewell wrote: > Luckily I'm only months away from becoming a nuclear power - just need > a science team and a place to do research into it, a place to develop > the missile technology, a few factories for manufacturing the parts, > oh, and some of the good stuff - enriched Uranium or Plutonium, > thereafter it's just a matter of time (unless I have UN inspectors > send round the flat, swiftly followed by airstrikes). I know you've got Cyprus in your sights, Matt! Had _anyone_ suggested that Saddam was gunning for Cyprus until today's long-awaited dossier? I think Blair just got a pair of compasses, drew the range of the Al-Hussein on a map of Transjordan, and thought "Oh look, there's one British base inside that circle". - - MRG PS Did you hear Blair say "Nukular" to the Commons today? I thought that was a sure sign of an oik, but he's supposed to have gone to public school. {Thinks: Quantitative Methods handout ...} ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:58:23 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: The German Way Personally, almost everyone I know, Republican *and* Democrat, thinks Bush is a fucking moron. Even the right-leaning press is on his case, and you should *see* the last month of political cartoons in most major newspapers. It's pretty obvious that his whole Iraq fixation has not won him many friends, at home and abroad. Even to those who think we *should* invade Iraq, I have read much criticism on his whole approach and aftermath plans. (Whatever they may be.) > Like I said, Germany's safe until *after* China, by which time the *whole > world* will be fucked. You are unfortunately wrong about China. In fact, the Bush administration has been buddying up to China even more since 9/11. He needs Chinese support for his whole terrorism crusade, and if that means the Chinese can define terrorism in their own inimitable way, so be it. Although I supported military action against al-Qaeda, and I think Iraq is dangerous, just about everything Bush has done in the last year turns my stomach. I feel the United States -- my country, a country that I love -- has been navigating with precious few glances at the moral compass. And worse, I feel that we are acting STUPIDLY and COWARDLY, particularly regarding Israel/Palestine, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, China, the EU, and the UN. And as far as domestic policies go....!!! (Maybe I should add Florida to that list?) So, by the way -- not to start a flame war -- but where are all the List Naderites? The one who said that a Gore and Bush presidency would be identical? I am curious what you think now, one year into this farce of a presidency.... - --An Unhappy Quail ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, Keeper of the Libyrinth: http://www.TheModernWord.com "All visible objects, man, are but as pasteboard masks. But in each event -- in the living act, the undoubted deed -- there, some unknown but still reasoning thing puts forth the mouldings of its features from behind the unreasoning mask. If man will strike, strike through the mask! How can the prisoner reach outside except by thrusting through the wall?" --Herman Melville, "Moby Dick" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:26:13 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: The German Way On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, The Great Quail wrote: > I feel the United States -- my country, a country that I love -- has > been navigating with precious few glances at the moral compass. And > worse, I feel that we are acting STUPIDLY and COWARDLY, particularly > regarding Israel/Palestine, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, China, the EU, and the > UN. And as far as domestic policies go....!!! (Maybe I should add > Florida to that list?) Very interesting that the US did not veto today's UN resolution calling for Israel to stop smashing up the Palestinian chairman's compound (passed 14-0 by the Security Council). Could this be the beginning of a more even-handed policy? > So, by the way -- not to start a flame war -- but where are all the List > Naderites? The one who said that a Gore and Bush presidency would be > identical? I am curious what you think now, one year into this farce of a > presidency.... Haven't heard from them for ages - mind you, some people were giving Jeme a fairly hard time. However, I did hear Gore on TV today, and his accent has thickened up to the point of being incomprehensible over here. Is he setting himself up to be 'man of the people' next time round? > --An Unhappy Quail Cheer up, TGQ. In the words of Eric Idle, Always Look on the Bright Side of Life! - - Mike "48 hours on Prozac does make a difference" Godwin PS I'm worried about my stepdaughter, who converted to Judaism recently. She has insisted on going to Israel this week with the Council of Christians and Jews: I hope she gets back OK. Their page includes a thoughtful essay by Jonathan Gorsky. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:29:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Marshall Needleman Armintor Subject: Childish thoughts << Scott Hunter McCleary wrote: <> Oh, that'd be something...to hear Robyn et al. take on "Chatham Train," "Rusty Hook," "Come Into My Life," good God, I'd like to hear that. On a nominally related note, how many people here have had a listen to that Langley Schools Music Project CD? Most unsettling track for me: "I'm Into Something Good." 2nd most unsettling track: "Rhiannon." As Christgau pointed out (even though he disliked the thing as a whole), the Brian Wilson songs are, somewhat shockingly, barely altered by their being sung by 60 4th graders with only a guitar and rudimentary percussion instruments as accompaniment...and it all seems strangely fitting. Marshall np _Piper at the Gates of Dawn_ (The group of people I play with is toying with the idea of doing "Lucifer Sam.") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:19:59 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: The German Way Herr Gross wrote: >Doubtless, but he's probably no more Germanophilic or Germanophobic than >the average American. German-Americans (who make up a pretty large >fraction of the total US population) are generally less interested in >their roots than almost any other ethnic group: assimilation, >intermarriage, two wars, and the NSDAP have all helped cut those ties. My ancestors left Alsace after the Franco-Prussian war of 1870-71 I believe. My grandfather knew we were from Alsace, and the timing was around the Civil War. I am thinking that it was probably after the Franco-Prussian war of 1870-71 due to the large amount of Alsatians that immigrated to the United Sates after the Prussians won. One of these days I'll probably look into it more. Alsace is now a part of France, Strasbourg being the largest city. Herr Bachman (Bachman meaning a person that lives by a brook) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:41:10 -0700 From: drew Subject: deep and interesting boys >From: Eb > >For ages, I've had a casual, unscientific theory that every >good-sized collection is dominated by the letters S, B, C, M and P >(quite possibly in that order). Check for yourselves, at your leisure. S and B are in a dead heat for me, I think, followed by M and then C. P is small in comparison; H is disproportionately large because of Mr. Hitchcock, Ms. Harvey, et al. T is pretty well represented as well. >From: Sebastian Hagedorn > >[I said, long ago:] > > Deep and interesting characters are good, but to me they > > belong to a very specific mode of writing that is relatively > > young and vastly overrated. > >I never replied to that. I guess I'm just very fond of this specific mode >of writing. Well, me too, but I like to have a variable diet. Drew, hoping he'll have time to pick up that new CD everyone's talking about today ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:44:36 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Today's post is brought to you by the letter "C" Eb: >>For ages, I've had a casual, unscientific theory that every >>good-sized collection is dominated by the letters S, B, C, M and P >>(quite possibly in that order). Check for yourselves, at your leisure. First of all, let he who is without having started a really geeky thread cast the first stone. Secondly, what constitutes "good-sized"? Some may view large collections as very, very "bad-sized". Thirdly and sadly, I have my collection on an Excel document and can give you the hard figures on this one. C: 255 discs B: 226 discs S: 214 discs M: 162 discs H: 133 discs Loser: Not surprisingly, Q, even counting ? & the Mysterians, with a mere 3. That's by title, not actual disc count. All of the top 5 are boosted by "complete-ish" collections... folks for whom I have lots of singles, boots, promos etc. Note "S" and "H"... however, my scary-large chunks of REM and Throwing Muses/Television did not come through for their respective letters. I'd say that alt/punk/lit-rock collections like mine are way heavier on X (XTC, X-Ray Spex, and, um, X) and V (Velvets, Violent Femmes, Verlaine, Verlaines, Velocity Girl) than most "normal" collections. But what is "normal", really? _______ James: >>Okay - geekthread continues. I file all my 'Mc's and 'Mac's together before >>he start of the Ms - how does everyone else do it? I always forget what I do with that. They're all together, that's all I know. I do file "number names" as if they were spelled... Thus, 13th Floor Elevators are under "T". _______ I'll still adhere to ye olde "No Armed Forces" explanation of "naff". It just militarily acronym-y, a la "snafu". _________ My vague impression is that Schroeder was America-bashing in order to bolster his position in to polls, no? It's usually a pretty safe thing for politicians in US-allied to do because it plays well internally and *usually* doesn't even warrant notice by the average folks in the US. Schroeder took more flak for it from the US than I might have expected because the Bush Bunch is so in love with its own big-stick unilateralism. The net effect, at least from my perspective, was to downgrade my opinon of the guy since he came off as a political opportunist, even though the gist of his position is pretty much spot on and not *directly* articulated frequently enough by the leaders of the US's nominal allies. But that's just me. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:48:40 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: The German Way Bachman, Michael wrote: > > My ancestors left Alsace ... Herr Bachman > (Bachman meaning a person that lives by a brook) at least you're not stuck with some of the comedy family names that a friend with Alsatian (steady!) relatives reports. One of them is Schaumloeffel, which translates as the frankly mystifying "foam spoon". Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:52:50 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Childish thoughts Marshall Needleman Armintor wrote: > > Oh, that'd be something...to hear Robyn et al. take on "Chatham Train," > "Rusty Hook," "Come Into My Life," good God, I'd like to hear that. or even better, Thee Headcoats' take on some Robyn and SB material; "I Wann Destry You", perhaps? > On a nominally related note, how many people here have had a listen > to that Langley Schools Music Project CD? have it, love it, yet am deeply disturbed by nearly all of it. "Space Oddity" probably disturbs me the most, followed by "Calling Occupants ..." > (The group of people I play with is toying with the idea of doing > "Lucifer Sam.") And why not? I've always wanted to do that one in a kind of goth-skiffle style. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:25:50 +0000 From: "Golden Hind" Subject: Prock the Ven, now! As a come-lately, flexable Naderite who is -not- voting for the Green canidate for PA gov since I think the democratic canadate will be make a better governer -- I never said there would be no dif, quite the opposite in fact. By the next election the country will be so polerized it will be interesting to see if the Dems finially get the picture or not. They then may go left and ally themselves with the Greens. I am under the impression that Eb has driven all the other female Naderites off the list. Am I the only one who has noticed the recent lack of female voices? - ------------------ All comparisons to Hitler should be scotched for at least the next hundred years. Its become rhetorical and meaningless and really, in horrible taste. Other than that--bravo for Germany. My Levi/Newburger grandparents were very Teutonic culturely, even thou they were born in this country. Their parents or grandparents, however, were not, and there were many ties kept up between relatives in both countries till WW2. Then, of course, being Jews, there --werent-- any more relatives in the old country. - ----------------------- Ken , Condolances - ------------------------- Yes, Im a Yank. All variations of Mc/Mac/etc filed together by what follows. At the start of M. Otherwise--chaos. - --------------------- Me, then James: >>I did mention the clothes, right? I now want all men to wear Victorian > >poetwear at least half the time. >but doesn't eveyone anyway? >James (currently wearing a paisley blue waistcoat, among other >things) Now why can't the powers that be put -you- on the cover of GQ? A high geek issue, maybe Robyn would even agree to model raincoats for this one(it -was- raincoats, wasn't it?) Or maybe Feg should run a style issue. Now -that- could be fun. - ---------------------- Amazon just told me its shipped NL, so Ill probly get it in 3 to 7 days:-(. Brian -- why does Amazon love you more than it loves me? Is it because you mention Jerthero Tull's immortal "Bungle in the Jungle" in connection with "Lions and Tigers?" Or was it a ref to something more esoteric? - -------------------- Eclipse: >unfortunately, most Victorian clothing (for women, anyway) did >involve >uncomfortable and confining things: corsets. They weren't >all >born with >hourglass figures! of course, nowadays, some people >like >that sorta >thing and don't think of it as uncomfortable or >confining; >i myself own a >corset (TMI maybe?), but i only wear it on >special occassions. :) Yes, it was the corset thing that produced my caveat. What can be fun for a short period would be damn inconvenient all day. Also--the Victorian female protaganist in "Possession" looked pre-Rhaphalitey and not -too- tightly-corseted to me(a merely semi-snug corset is no skin off anyones, well, lungs?) She was also Ruebenesque in the loveliest of ways -- made Paltrow look almost aneamic in comparision(which, I think, was the point.) Anyway--it was cool seeing a fully-figured woman presented as highly desirable. - ----------------------- Did Brian mention Jerthero Tull's immortal "Bungle in the Jungle" in connection with "Lions and Tigers." Or something more esoteric? - ----------------------- Kay, adding "Babel Tower" to the, well, babel tower of books already by her bed. And who is wearing a silk scarf tied as a poetical cravat. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:36:41 -0400 From: guapo stick Subject: thesoftboys.com say hello to the new official website . woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:51:36 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: cheesey geekie shit almost as much as i have reason to dislike ms in all it's glory, i gotta give 'em a hand for remote desktop web connection. a bit jagged at 44.0 kbps through a dial-up but damn it is a useful tool for server maintenance. i wonder if ms actually wrote the code or just bought it and attached their name? gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:59:09 -0400 From: Brian Subject: Re: thesoftboys.com Lyrics to side 3! http://www.thesoftboys.com/sidethree.html Nuppy At Tuesday, 24 September 2002, you wrote: >say hello to the new official website . > >woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:02:37 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: cheesey geekie shit on 9/24/02 1:51 PM, gSs at gshell@metronet.com wrote: > almost as much as i have reason to dislike ms in all it's glory, i gotta > give 'em a hand for remote desktop web connection. a bit jagged at 44.0 > kbps through a dial-up but damn it is a useful tool for server > maintenance. i wonder if ms actually wrote the code or just bought it and > attached their name? > > gSs So this is new? Timbuktu has done this on the Mac (and Windows too?) for almost a decade. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:02:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: a series of short knee-jerk responses On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Stewart Russell wrote: > Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > > > Is it true that Irish telephone directories just skip alphabetizing Mc, > > Mac, O altogether and do it by the rest of the name? > > the *correct* way to do it is to alphabetize all Mc, Mac, "Mac ", > M+superscript-c, M', etc as "Mac". Which amounts to near enough what you > said. Err, well, no. What *I* said was that such names should be alphad by their spelling. What someone else said was what you just said. What I was asking about was whether it's true that Irish phonebooks would, say, have the following scheme: O Donnell, Kevin Donnell, Padraig Mc Donnell, William etc., ignoring the patronymic prefix entirely, since there are so damned many of them that half the phone book would be "O" and other "M" (Ain't no such thing as "correct," of course - at least, I'm not letting someone into my collection and rearranging it!) - --Dweeby MacNerd ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:27:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: The German Way On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > I'm very curious if any of you have feelings or thoughts about the current > conflict between the Bush administration and Germany? > > Here's what's happened so far: during the campaign leading towards last > Sunday's election incumbent Chancellor Schrvder declared that Germany would > not participate in any military action against Iraq, regardless of a UN > mandate. Good for Germany. Re the comparison below: rather a historical irony, in that it's now the US who's displaying complete and utter contempt for international law and national sovereignty, specifically, what is required to justify an invasion of a sovereign nation. > It's not entirely clear exactly *what* she did say. She reportedly said > that the US have a "lousy justice system" (she didn't deny that) and also > that making war has been a tactic to draw away attention from interior > problems that has been employed again and again since Hitler and that Bush > does it as well. Strictly speaking that's not a direct comparison, but I'm > not sure if Bush is able to grasp such subtle differences ;-) Bush has evolved far enough to grasp things, but making tools is probably still beyond his capabilities. The idea that Bush's warmongering is a distraction from domestic issues is less true, I think, than it might have been in other cases (i.e., Clinton's last episode of Iraq bombing, suspiciously timed indeed). That hardly improves his situation: he, and the right-wing crowd he runs with, have been planning "regime change" in Iraq since *before* his election (see the links Steve S. posted a week back), and the Bush/Cheney doctrine essentially establishes the U.S. as global dominator, other nations' sovereignty be damned. > So: what do you think? I think it's important to stress that this position > is *not* Anti-Americanism as is so often claimed. I do know lots of people > who actively dislike the US, but that's for the most part because of its > politics. I *love* America and at the same time I hate its politics. And the same misunderstanding you describe is true for Americans who despise and fear Bush's policies. But as > Bush said: you're either with us or against us ... A paraphrase with a revealing - and accurate - difference: he actually said "with us or with the terrorists"; but to the Bushies, anyone opposing US interests is, if not a terrorist, certainly an enemy. The truly sad thing is that, even if a lot of Americans are opposed to and frightened of what Bush might do, it's their own long history of ignorance and apathy that's led to the election (yeah, right) of idiot figures like Bush. By far the largest number of Bush voters voted for him either because they'd been taught to have a visceral mistrust of the opposing party, or they just "liked" him better than Gore - as if the President is some guy you'd want to hang out at a bar with. (Footnote: so remember how Katherine Harris and Jeb Bush said they'd fix Florida's election system and make it a model for the rest of the country? Florida's recent election is even more fucked up than their votes in the 2000 presidential race...) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. ::That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! __Thomas Pynchon, VINELAND__ np: The Faint _Dark-Wave Arcade_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:31:35 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: cheesey geekie shit On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Tom Clark wrote: > on 9/24/02 1:51 PM, gSs at gshell@metronet.com wrote: > > > almost as much as i have reason to dislike ms in all it's glory, i gotta > > give 'em a hand for remote desktop web connection. a bit jagged at 44.0 > > kbps through a dial-up but damn it is a useful tool for server > > maintenance. i wonder if ms actually wrote the code or just bought it and > > attached their name? > > > > gSs > > So this is new? Timbuktu has done this on the Mac (and Windows too?) for > almost a decade. i don't know how old it is as i just started using it. i'm from cics. ;> you know the saying, 'without bundl, our universe would crumble.' know it's more like 'without terradata, everyone would still be forced to know tso.' and db2 and cobol and fortran and assembler...... ms has had a client or network based remote desktop connection over the lan or even wan for quite a while but this is browser based, so i can dialup from the house and actually get the server login at full screen after connecting through a browser. the name is terminal services web or tsweb, i believe. at the tsweb default screen you get an asp page with field to type in the server name and a connect button. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:34:18 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: Re:Feelm I hope I get to see "Bed Sitting Room" someday. This past weekend I rented a bunch of old stuff, including: "Mission To Mars" -- what a load of horseshit. Haven't seen any De Palma since the 80s, so this was a shock. Finished it, but used fast forward almost half the time. "Secrets and Lies" -- have kept trying for "Naked" but it's always off the shelf. This is pretty darned good, & doesn't take anything away from my appreciation of Mike Leigh, but I'd dock it some for the climax -- ~ mild spoilers ~ which seems a bit more like the climax of a Perry Mason episode, i.e. a bunch of people in a room all saying things similar to "But *I* was the one who ..." "Go on, tell her what you told me ..." "All I really wanted was ..." I think it comes back for a nice coda. He seems to be almost mystical about London rooftops. I like someone who can have a good many qualified happy endings without seeming false. ~ end mild spoilers. ~ In related news, I recently bought my own used copy of "Chappaqua" ($12.99, same as my new Next Door Land!). OK, it doesn't have any plot to speak of, has little traditional charactor development & wears 1966 on it's sleeve, but: thanks to Robert Frank, it looks *great* & sometimes startling, even today. Movies are, after all, visual media, right? Maybe it would be more exciting if it was 20 minutes shorter. It's not as moving as "Pull My Daisey." THe period stuff is of course a great bonus, the Fugs, Ravi Shankar & Ornette Coleman all in their prime (& some guy dressed like a Druid dancing a cool Druid Rag on Stonehenge to Coleman). Plus you get a real chance to get a feel for at least the jokey side of William Burroughs. I'm leaning toward owning mostly experimental stuff where there's no plot to get over-familar with. Next stop, Maya Derren. Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #300 ********************************