From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #299 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, September 24 2002 Volume 11 : Number 299 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Oh yes -- Comfort and Joy [shmac@ix.netcom.com (Scott Hunter McCleary)] reKendling [Eb ] RE: fegmaniax-digest V11 #298 ["Rex.Broome" ] victorian sin ["Mandarin Red" ] TONITE! 9/24 Sleater-Kinney in San Fransicso! [Nick Winkworth ] Re: I kept hoping they'd play "Victorian Squid" ["Golden Hind" ] Re: J Peasemould Gruntfuttock etc. [Stewart Russell ] Re: J Peasemould Gruntfuttock etc. [Michael R Godwin ] Re: I kept hoping they'd play "Victorian Squid" [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: J Peasemould Gruntfuttock etc. [Michael R Godwin ] Re: The German Way [Michael R Godwin ] Re: J Peasemould Gruntfuttock etc. [Aaron Mandel ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:17:20 -0400 From: shmac@ix.netcom.com (Scott Hunter McCleary) Subject: Oh yes -- Comfort and Joy I second Stewart's recommendation for Comfort and Joy -- one of my all-time favorite movies. The light (dusk) in parts of this movie is breathtaking. Watch it for the luscious Mark Knopfler score... or the much more luscious Eleanor David. Dang, been a while since I did two posts in a day. One more thought -- the Amish angle on Nextdoorland SHOULD have been more obvious -- the Paradise (Pa.) in Mr. Kennedy is in Amish country. Scott "FORMERLY MR. Softee" McCleary ========= SH McCleary Prodigal Dog Communications PO Box 6163 Arlington, VA 22206 shmac@prodigaldog.com www.prodigaldog.com www.1480kHz.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:29:07 -0700 From: Eb Subject: reKendling >From: Ken Ostrander > >since then we had some sadness. we lost the baby. amy had been >having difficulty with sciatica since day one and had been bed >ridden for months. she organized a lot of the wedding from her bed, >as well as our radio show on allston brighton free radio. the fact >is that we weren't ready. apparently one out of four pregnancies >end in what they call 'spontaneous abortion'. This is not happy news, no sirree. :( >sorting by letter, the s's had the largest number of cd's and records. For ages, I've had a casual, unscientific theory that every good-sized collection is dominated by the letters S, B, C, M and P (quite possibly in that order). Check for yourselves, at your leisure. Eb now: out the door to run ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:04:38 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: RE: fegmaniax-digest V11 #298 Ken W.: >>Funny story: when they went to register candyland.com, they found it >>was already taken as a porn site. It'd be a great Kristin Hersh fansite, too! ______ Jason: >>I did a quick websearch, and it looks like he's scheduled to host a talent >>show at Marshall University on Oct 17 Dead folks speak at colleges in West Virginia all the time. Marshall U was that place where I won my award for "Best Goddamn Social Studies Project in the Whole Friggin' State" when I was 14. I just put the big golden cup into the garage last week. I figure after 17 years I should just get over myself, huh? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:50:41 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: a series of short knee-jerk responses >Glasgow Italian is a wonderful accent, but heard less and less sad. A bit like "Kiwi-Dallie" (NZ Dalmatian/Croatian). Thanks for the wealth of info about the Italians in Scotland. - --- >np: Peter Gabriel, "Up" review please? :) - --- Re: The Bed Sitting Room: >Plus the input of >droll Brits like Dudley Moore, Peter Cook, Marty Feldman (film debut) >and two Goons. don't forget Ralph Richardson, Arthur Lowe and Michael Hordern - nor the delightful Rita Tushingham. A seriously warped movie, but enjoyable if you're in the right frame of mind for it. The stage play is better, more lucid, more focussed. - --- >Scott (who would be filed between Baaba Maal and Brad Mehldau). Okay - geekthread continues. I file all my 'Mc's and 'Mac's together before the start of the Ms - how does everyone else do it? - --- >> (missing for 10 months) > >Or not -- he was in Malibu at a Film Festival on 9/1: sigh. You Americans. I read that and thought "well, that's *nearkly* ten months ago..." - --- >I did mention the clothes, right? I now want all men to wear Victorian >poetwear at least half the time. but doesn't eveyone anyway? James (currently wearing a paisley blue waistcoat, among other things) PS - Congratulations to Ken and Amy on the wedding, commiserations on the baby. James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:34:51 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Catching Up (0% Gabriel content) Ross: > Imanol tabber myself. Well done. Ken Ostrander >since then we had some sadness. we lost the baby. My condolences. Eb: > For ages, I've had a casual, unscientific theory that every > good-sized collection is dominated by the letters S, B, C, M and P > (quite possibly in that order). Check for yourselves, at your leisure. James: > Okay - geekthread continues. I file all my 'Mc's and 'Mac's together before > the start of the Ms - how does everyone else do it? Hmmm...for me it doesn't matter in the least, my collection is done by increasing order of funkiness. Leads to some interesting neighbors, and the inevitable (yet good) problem of not being able to find the exact disc you're looking for but several that you should play instead. Last I checked it ran from Neil Diamond's "Jonathan Livingston Seagull: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack" on one end to "Live: P-Funk Earth Tour" on the other. And I'll have to break with you on the lettering theory, Eb; "R" is clearly the winner in my set, as in Rush, REM, Recho & the Runnymen, The Reach Roys, Rant Ree Ruffalo... Michael "whoa, look at the time" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:59:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: a series of short knee-jerk responses On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, James Dignan wrote: > Okay - geekthread continues. I file all my 'Mc's and 'Mac's together before > the start of the Ms - how does everyone else do it? I think that usage is more common in Englishes more influenced by British English - although another American I know on this list also alphas the Mc and Mac folks this way. I do it according to how the name's spelled - I mean, suddenly he's not "Paul MacCartney" is he? And so "McWhatever" ends up after Mazzuzi or whoever and before Meable... Is it true that Irish telephone directories just skip alphabetizing Mc, Mac, O altogether and do it by the rest of the name? I thought I'd read that once. (Actual Robyn Content: I'm lame, and will not pick up _Nextdoorland_ until its actual release date tomorrow.) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::[clever or pithy quote]:: __[source of quote]__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:54:18 -0500 From: steve Subject: For Eb > Disney is negotiating with action choreographer Yuen Wo Ping (The > Matrix and Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon) to direct an > as-yet-untitled live-action martial-arts version of the classic fairy > tale Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, Variety reported. The film was > at first titled Snow White and the Seven Shao Lin, a reference to the > ancient order of Chinese monks. > > A deal would mark Yuen's English-language-film helming debut. Written > by Josh Harman and Scott Elder, the Snow White update is set in the > 1890s and follows a woman who returns home to Hong Kong to attend her > father's funeral, only to discover that her stepmother is plotting > against her. She escapes to mainland China, where she seeks solace > with seven Shao Lin monks who, in turn, come to believe the woman > holds the fate of the world in her hands, the trade paper reported. God bless Mrs. Ethel Shroake - Steve __________ If the president fell flat on his face in the middle of the Rose Garden some of these characters would applaud his uncanny foresight in having arranged for the ground to be in just the right place to break his descent. Shades of the personality cult. - Josh Marshall, on the right wing echo chamber ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 05:36:58 -0000 From: "Mandarin Red" Subject: victorian sin > From: "Golden Hind" > > I did mention the clothes, right? I now want all men to wear Victorian > poetwear at least half the time. And Id love those long flurries of dresses > for woman, as long as they didn't involve anything uncomfortable or > confining. unfortunately, most Victorian clothing (for women, anyway) did involve uncomfortable and confining things: corsets. they weren't all born with hourglass figures! of course, nowadays, some people like that sorta thing and don't think of it as uncomfortable or confining; i myself own a corset (TMI maybe?), but i only wear it on special occassions. :) snugly, Eclipse - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eclipse eclipse@tuliphead.com Kindness towards all things is the true religion. - Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 01:27:00 -0700 From: Nick Winkworth Subject: TONITE! 9/24 Sleater-Kinney in San Fransicso! Hi all. Sorry to spam the main list with this, but I know there are lots of SK fans here ...and some may even live near me! If you're in the San Francisco Bay Area, are free tonight, Tuesday 9/24, and would like to go see Sleater-Kinney, email me asap! A friend I was going with just bailed out and so I have a spare ticket to the sold-out Sleater-Kinney show at the Fillmore tonight. (One of *three* sold out nights at that venue!) Described by Time magazine as "America's best rock band" and promoting their new highly acclaimed new album "One Beat" - how bad can that be? If you're the first person to ask for it, it's yours! ~Nick - -- Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -Pablo Picasso ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 08:11:27 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Wilt thou also rock me, Jebediah? Scott Hunter McCleary wrote: > > Featuring thee [sic] classic Soft Boys line-up oh no, don't say that Billy Childish was involved ... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 08:18:28 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Oh yes -- Comfort and Joy Scott Hunter McCleary wrote: > > The light (dusk) in parts of this movie is breathtaking. that's Glasgow for you. The further north you go, the better the dusks. > Eleanor David. Shoplifting in the long-gone Lewis's department store, no less. And it's got Arnold Brown in it. What more do you want? Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 08:24:42 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: a series of short knee-jerk responses Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > Is it true that Irish telephone directories just skip alphabetizing Mc, > Mac, O altogether and do it by the rest of the name? the *correct* way to do it is to alphabetize all Mc, Mac, "Mac ", M+superscript-c, M', etc as "Mac". Which amounts to near enough what you said. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:47:04 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: Re: Tabs, Poets, Flips >From: Imanol Ugarte >Is there any guitarist with some "secret" tabs and tuning information out >there? As Ross said there's not a lot of tabbing going on here. There are some chords/tabs archived at http://www.fegmania.org/tabs.html Also, the yahoo based Robyn Hitchcock group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RobynHitchcockClub has at least one keen tabber. The guy's an Italian called Francesco who I don't think is on this list. He has been uploading some transcriptions to the files area of that group and I'm sure he'd be happy to talk guitar with you. Don't abandon us, though :) > >From: "Mandarin Red" > > > >so, i was wondering: does anyone else have Robyn songs on which their > >feelings have flip-flopped at some point? if so, what caused it? if >your > >feelings have gone from like to dislike, that would be interesting too, > >especially as to what caused it. > Flipped out: Personality Traits. Probably too many listens. Flipped in: Luminous Rose. That keyboard? stuff that runs through it used to just grate on me. Somehow I've started to hear the song through it rather than being bothered by it. Somewhere Apart. I spent years being a bit disapointed with side 1 of EoL. I was hoping for another BSDR or Fegmania when it came out and it failed to grab me. I used to listen to just side 2. When I finally got the cd a couple of years back side 1 revealed itself to be a great deal less boring than I'd imagined. >From: "Golden Hind" >Now, Im not saying it was a great movie, but it sure was an interesting >one. >Not only did it have passionate Victorian poets of substantial personal >character wandering around against wonderous backdrops in delicious >clothes. That was enough to sell it to Sarah. I expect to be dragged along if it makes it anywhere near us. NextDoorLand. Arrived yesterday, courtesy of Amazon. I like the production, a glossy job would just not be right for SBs. Pulse isn't as good as I'd hoped, not sure why yet. Mr Kennedy/Sudden Town are better than I expected. Strings has come a long way since I heard it, sounds bloody good on early hearings even if I did half expect a tale of "In the beginning was the fish..." halfway through - I hope it stays this good. Lions and Tigers is the only one not to impress, perhaps that because I've been listening to Ian Anderson's tiger song from the chateaux d'isaster tapes recently. I could go into bit more detail but I had a tooth extracted three hours ago and the anaesthetic is wearing off. Brian M: Don't you worry about my poets, Mr. Blackadder. They're not dead; they're just being intellectual. E: Mrs. Miggins, there's nothing intellectual about wandering around Italy in a big shirt, trying to get laid. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:48:04 +0000 From: "Golden Hind" Subject: Re: I kept hoping they'd play "Victorian Squid" Sebastian wrote: >I guess we're back to my "naive" way of empathizing with protagonists ... >;-) You are obviously insufficently narcisistic;-! Get off this list at once. I must be very naive indeed, I thought one usually identified and/or empathized with the characters. Often the protagonist consiously and the villians unconsiously(or consiously unconsiously but we dont want to go there, now do we?) -- but sometimes with a only a minor character or the entire interacting dynamic as a whole. I mean, one of the interesting things about being human is our tendency to identify and empathize with all sorts of things, -- other humans, bedsits, insects, whatever is handy. Part of what I like about the song " Im Only You" is the "only" bit -- that normally ones free-ranging and multiple, the anomaly is in the only. Anyone have any interesting identification/empathy stories? Im blithely writing all this to mask my funk over probobly not getting NL till next week or something equally horrific. ?Why? did I order from Amazon? Grr Kay _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:32:35 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: J Peasemould Gruntfuttock etc. Eb re the Bed-Sitting Room: > Plus the input of droll Brits like Dudley Moore, Peter Cook, Marty > Feldman (film debut) and two Goons. It was actually a pretty lousy > film, but I'm sure glad that I saw it. Have you seen this, Godwin? James responds: > don't forget Ralph Richardson, Arthur Lowe and Michael Hordern - nor the > delightful Rita Tushingham. A seriously warped movie, but enjoyable if > you're in the right frame of mind for it. The stage play is better, > more lucid, more focussed. * All I remember about seeing the play (I'm sure I've told this story before) is that the Mermaid Theatre was half empty when I went along with a few schoolfriends. We were sat right at the back, and at the interval, Milligan came out and invited everyone to come forward and occupy the vacant seats at the front. Which we did. Anyway, soon after the interval Milligan came on with a portrait of a policeman. "I'm sure it's valuable, it's a Constable" he quipped. Instinctively my gang jeered and booed. "If that's your attitude", said Milligan, "you lot can go straight back to the cheap seats". Stewart chips in: > gangs of commuters, roving the underground, living off the chocolate > machines (Arthur Lowe) ... Rita Tushingham giving birth to a monster ... > The one-man BBC, wandering around delivering the news. > Marty Feldman (film debut) > but he'd been an old hand at TV and radio before then. My dad used to > sit behind Took & Feldman at the taping of "Round The Horne"; he > worked with Kenneth Williams's sister. * Fame by proxy, eh? Feldman was a scriptwriter for years before he became a performer, notably as creator of the most eccentric 'Round the Horne' characters, such as Rambling Syd Rumpo, J Peasemould Gruntfuttock and Arthur Fallowfield. My recollection is that "At last the 1948 show" was his TV performing debut, with Tim Brooke-Taylor, Graham Chapman and John Cleese. I thought it was hilarious at the time, but when I saw a few rescued sketches recently, they seemed - um - dated. From there he went on to his own show, which was completely lousy, and then off to Hollywood, "Young Frankenstein" and "Silent Movie". - - Mike "I make no bones about it, I'm looking for someone to love" Godwin PS Sebastian, I really enjoyed Possession, so I will look out for Babel Tower. Kay, I shall certainly give the film a whirl. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:59:09 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: J Peasemould Gruntfuttock etc. Michael R Godwin wrote: > > * Fame by proxy, eh? it's true, it's the best I can do for now. > Rambling Syd Rumpo Is it true that all of RSR's cringe-inducing lyrics are in fact perfectly innocent words culled from obscure bits of the OED, and given a knowing twist by Kenneth Williams? Five are the woglers up my spong, Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:55:18 -0400 From: guapo stick Subject: soft boys on bbc3 just got the appended note from a bbc employee. october 18th is a wee bit too far in the future for andy kershaw's upcoming listings , but i've no reason to doubt this... woj >To: "'woj@fegmania.org'" >Subject: Soft boys >Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:43:51 +0100 > >Hello > >Just to let you know that the soft boys will be in session with andy >kershaw on bbc radio 3 on 18th october, 10.15pm >Prog available 7 days after that on demand at >www.bbc.co.uk/radio3 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:13:48 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: J Peasemould Gruntfuttock etc. On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Stewart Russell wrote: > > Rambling Syd Rumpo > Is it true that all of RSR's cringe-inducing lyrics are in fact > perfectly innocent words culled from obscure bits of the OED, and given > a knowing twist by Kenneth Williams? > Five are the woglers up my spong, I had assumed that the words were invented. But if they are really "Call my bluff"-type dictionary words, then maybe it's time for a game of Rambling Syd Rumpo Scrabble! Three are the times I've lunged my groats, - - Mike "Whirdle the ladies and scrope all the men" Godwin PS I have a book of RTH scripts with an intro by Took, in which he recalls a heated pub discussion over whether Rambling Syd is or is not deeply filthy ... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:35:42 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: I kept hoping they'd play "Victorian Squid" - -- Golden Hind is rumored to have mumbled on Dienstag, 24. September 2002 13:48 Uhr +0000 regarding Re: I kept hoping they'd play "Victorian Squid": > Sebastian wrote: >> I guess we're back to my "naive" way of empathizing with protagonists >> ... >>; -) > > You are obviously insufficently narcisistic;-! Get off this list at once. :-) Don't worry, a lack of narcissism is not something I suffer from ... If I usually don't write analyses and observations as detailed as those by some of my fellow fegs it's not due to some restraint I lay upon myself, but rather because it takes me much longer to write them. I simply don't always have the time to do so. > I must be very naive indeed, I thought one usually identified and/or > empathized with the characters. Often the protagonist consiously and the > villians unconsiously(or consiously unconsiously but we dont want to go > there, now do we?) -- but sometimes with a only a minor character or the > entire interacting dynamic as a whole. I feel the same way for the most part. What precipitated my remark was the following comment made by Drew (about Candide) when I complained that there are no fully-developed caharcters in that book: > It's not so much "modern-day expectations" as a fairly narrow > (IMO) criterion for prose excellence. I don't think the book > was intended as a probing and complex character study. The > characters were supposed to be types, and representative of > attitudes on the world, or at least that's how I remembered it. > It's a satire, not a Jane Austen novel. > > Deep and interesting characters are good, but to me they > belong to a very specific mode of writing that is relatively > young and vastly overrated. I never replied to that. I guess I'm just very fond of this specific mode of writing. Anyway, back to Byatt: "Babel Tower" resembles "Possession" to some extent because the narrative structure of the novels is similar. Both intertwine two story lines. In "Babel Tower" the connecting link between the two is not initially clear. BT is actually the third book in a trilogy dealing with a woman called Frederica. In the first two (which I haven't read) we learn about her adolescence and her student live. In the third one it's the middle of the 1960s. Frederica is unhappily married and has a small boy. She leaves her husband and moves to London. There she picks up a job evaluating manuscripts for possible publication. We get to read the reports she writes on these (fictitious) manuscripts. This layering fascinated me. Byatt teaches English Literature and it shows. Depending on your taste you may either find that appealing or not. Later on Frederica teaches English Literature (sic!) at an evening school. I don't think I have given away too much with my plot summary. There's a lot of talk about novels by other authors, most notably D.H. Lawrence. I guess both Byatt and Frederica are very fond of him. ;-) Meanwhile I've picked up "Sons and Lovers" but haven't yet read it. Anyone? There are many small details that intrigued me in a way that "Possession" (for whatever reason) did not. There's talk about the moor murders, about school reform, about (then) modern art, and so on. I'm having a hard time putting my finger on it. The book was given to me by a friend of me (she'd been reading the Italian translation) and she also liked it very much. That's all I can say :-) Cheers, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:37:12 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: J Peasemould Gruntfuttock etc. Michael R Godwin wrote: > > I had assumed that the words were invented. But if they are really > "Call my bluff"-type dictionary words, then maybe it's time for a game > of Rambling Syd Rumpo Scrabble! there's an (un)healthy mix of harmless words (eg posset), slang terms (eg eek; Polare* for 'face'), and maybe some plain made-up words. But far more intricate than you'd think, at first glance. FFS! there's a groundhog the size of a corgi across the road! Stewart *: Polare: archaic UK gay slang/cant. Handy intro here: http://www.chris-d.net/polari/ -- so now you can learn what 'naff' REALLY means ... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:54:40 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: The German Way Hi, while I'm at it ... I'm very curious if any of you have feelings or thoughts about the current conflict between the Bush administration and Germany? Here's what's happened so far: during the campaign leading towards last Sunday's election incumbent Chancellor Schrvder declared that Germany would not participate in any military action against Iraq, regardless of a UN mandate. People here in Germany still aren't sure if he is going to be true to his word now that the election is over, but two things are clear. He remained in office *because* of that stance and the Bush administration is upset about it. Adding to that, the Secretary of Justice allegedly compared Bush to Hitler. It's not entirely clear exactly *what* she did say. She reportedly said that the US have a "lousy justice system" (she didn't deny that) and also that making war has been a tactic to draw away attention from interior problems that has been employed again and again since Hitler and that Bush does it as well. Strictly speaking that's not a direct comparison, but I'm not sure if Bush is able to grasp such subtle differences ;-) Meanwhile she's resigned (or rather declared that she won't be available for the new administartion). Still the US is *so* upset that AFAIK they still haven't congratulated Schrvder on his election. My feelings about that are "So what? Fuck him!", but a lot of people here are scared that Germany will be next right after Iraq ... :-) So: what do you think? I think it's important to stress that this position is *not* Anti-Americanism as is so often claimed. I do know lots of people who actively dislike the US, but that's for the most part because of its politics. I *love* America and at the same time I hate its politics. But as Bush said: you're either with us or against us ... Cheers, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:14:22 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: J Peasemould Gruntfuttock etc. On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Stewart Russell wrote: > *: Polare: archaic UK gay slang/cant. Handy intro here: > http://www.chris-d.net/polari/ -- so now you can learn what 'naff' > REALLY means ... You certainly know how to keep me away from writing handouts on Quantitative Methods, Stewart. According to this site: "Polari itself was never clearly defined: an ever-changing collection of slang from various sources including Italian, English (backwards slang, rhyming slang), circus slang, canal-speak, Yiddish and Gypsy languages". I was always under the impression that Romany was the principle source. He seems to have missed 'palone' for woman, though I note that he includes 'omipalone', slightly differently spelt. I think he should have mentioned the influence of Arabic (khazi, bint etc) - - I suspect that a substantial number of British soldiers received quite an education in Port Said. Also possibly Hindi, though I can't think of an example off the top of my head (I mean, you wouldn't say bungalowing instead of cottaging). I don't for a minute believe that KAMP = Known as male prostitute explanation, and I hae me doots aboot NAFF likewise. "Lovely to vader your jolly old eke again, Mister Horne" - - MRG PS I note "foon" at one of the links. How much is Milliganese a related dialect? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:27:12 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: The German Way On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > Still the US is *so* upset that AFAIK they still haven't > congratulated Schrvder on his election. According to: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2276440.stm the US Defence Secretary said that Schroeder had "poisoned" relations between America and Germany. That seems ridiculously overstated. And surely with a name like that, Rumsfeld must be of German origin himself. - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:30:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: J Peasemould Gruntfuttock etc. On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Stewart Russell wrote: > *: Polare: archaic UK gay slang/cant. Handy intro here: > http://www.chris-d.net/polari/ -- so now you can learn what 'naff' > REALLY means ... You'd know British slang better than I would, I suppose, but based on my exposure to the Goon Show I had always assumed 'naff' meant 'the quality of goods supplied by the NAAFI canteen'. The explanation given at that URL depends on a naughty acronym, which screams "etymological legend" to me. a ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #299 ********************************