From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #296 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, September 22 2002 Volume 11 : Number 296 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Something decent about September ["Rex.Broome" ] Rubbers ["Rex.Broome" ] This Old CD Rack ["Rex.Broome" ] Also being released on the 24th. ["Maximilian Lang" ] More periods than a Hemingway novel ["Michael Wells" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #295 [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: filing myself [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: filing your nails [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #294 ["Mandarin Red" ] Re: filing myself [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] The joys of CDDB [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Librarian Rock? [Mike Swedene ] Re: Attention Psychedelic people [Ken Weingold ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:16:40 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Something decent about September Eugene: >>September 24 is a big, big music release day for me. I'll buy new albums from >>Rhett Miller, Porcupine Tree, the Soft Boys, *and* the "This Time With Feeling" >>Buffy Musical CD. Plus Beck, Underworld, and the reissue of Gene Clark's White Light, as well as the Verlaine and Richard Lloyd debuts. The last three being less hard-and-fast release dates, but definitely worth a mentionon this list. But I guess what's really happening is that the anniversary of the tr'events* is finally far enough behind us that we can be forgiven for spending money on some RAWK. - -Rex *tr'events: "tragic events" with "of September 11" understood *also verb "to tr'event": to engage in endless, pointless discussion of the above, especially when unrelated to ones actual point ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 19:09:36 -0500 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: file between your teeth Me: Chagall Guevara and Chavez. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:28:54 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Rubbers James: >>"Rubber" means 'eraser' in the UK and 'condom' in the US. Etc etc etc. Ah, but did not the very British Gang of Four get into trouble with the very British BBC for the lyric about "the rubbers you hide in your (front left?) pocket"? In the US there's also an antiquated meaning of "rain boots", which caused no end of mirth when it appeared in stories in antiquated textbooks-- kindly mothers reminding their children not to forget their rubbers when they went out in the rain... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:00:22 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: This Old CD Rack Kenneth: >>I also am interested in building a shelf to house approx. 1000 CDs. Any advice or helpful hints or creative alternatives to CD storage? Since you and Jason asked, I'll measure mine and see how it came out (details Monday). It's been years. As I recall, it holds about 1200 discs, but I have an extra row on top between two sturdy bookends and as such it holds about half of my collection. It's basically just made out of pine cut to spec and attractively finished. Some things I was adamant about: 1) It is actually deeper than the depth of an average CD, unlike most commercial units where the discs protrude over the lip of the shelf-- that way the discs are way less likely to tumble out if jarred (or earthquaked, a real concern for me). If you leave an inch or so of clearance above the height of the discs, you can still pull them out quite easily. Just like books, in fact. 2) I made it about as wide l-r as possible without any vertical support other than the two sides. This is a major time saver if you have a big collection. Make the finish a little slicker on the "floors" of the compartments and, when you need to stick a new disc in the middle of your collection, you can just slide some discs over-- more than 100 at a time in my case-- to make a slot for your new acquisition. No pulling loads of discs out and shuffling them from compartment to compartment 10 at a time. I need to make another one, as that holds about half of my collection as of now. My wife bought me a pretty nice 600-disc wooden unit as a gift which matches it rather well, but the remainder of the discs are languishing on an old paperback shelf. ________ Oh, and James: >>What always surprises me is when Americans deliberately choose to use UK >>spellings for no apparent reason (such as Husker Du's album "Candy Apple >>Grey"). We do it to seem EXOTIQUE!!! Actually, "gray" and "grey" are somewhat interchangeable in the US, although you're right that the former is what you'll see on your US Crayola. There are enough people with the surname "Grey" to keep the altenate spelling alive. I always spelled it that "grey" as an anglophile nerd-child, based possibly on Gandalf's surname (although the influence of Jean "Phoenix/Marvel Girl" Grey should not be dismissed). But I didn't write "colour" just to be cool. The real question is why the not-very-English-sounding band Living Colour spelled their name that way... - -Rex Broome (still not Broom after all these years) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:58:22 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Also being released on the 24th. Peter Gabriel's new CD. Max _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:01:22 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: If I were a file I would be Between kd Lang and John Lennon. Max _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:00:23 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: More periods than a Hemingway novel > >p.s. Punctuation geeks - is the above correct? I remember learning that you > >always put the punctuation inside the quotes, but it just doesn't look right > >sometimes. James: > I think you put the punctuation inside only if it is part of what went > inside. So in this case, it would be '..."Kid A"!'. If you were quoting > someone and what they said sounded like it needed an exclamation mark, then > it would go inside the quotation marks. Sometimes, but not always... a) Commas and periods go inside quotation marks, with the odd exception. "Nextdoorland comes out this month," the clerk said. This jives with what I learned growing up. Exceptions include using commas to seperate quotations from words used to introduce or explain them, which gets dicey. b) Colons and semicolons go outside quotation marks. We all know what is meant by "inflation": less money to buy Soft Boys records. I constantly get this one wrong. c) Dashes, question marks, and exlamation points go inside quotation marks only if they belong to the quotation. "Go Away!" Robyn yelled (belongs to)...or "Believe it or not, Robyn said, "I'll play you a nice song"! (doesn't belong). So in this case James, you're right. (apologies to The LBH, where I found the above summarizations next to the easily modifiable examples...) I figure nothing will pull Jill out of lurkdom faster than a thread about punctuation. Michael "you must be from parse unknown, stranger" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:57:04 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #295 Eb (Eb!!!!!!!!!) wrote: >>Between Robyn Hitchcock and Husker Du. >> >>- - Brian "what do I win?" Huddell > >What else? A shopping list! Woo! > >Kristian Hoffman >Robin Holcomb >Hole >Peter Holsapple & Chris Stamey >Hoodoo Gurus >The Hope Blister >Wayne Horvitz >House of Freaks >Hugo Largo >Lida Husik not to mention Billie Holiday, The Hollies, Buddy Holly, The Holy Toledos, The House of Love, The Housemartins, The Humblebums, and Hunters and Collectors! Oh, and Howie B, unless you file him under B. >This isn't anywhere near the geekiest thread, by the way...especially >this year, I've watched some real lulus unfold. So, what would be the geekiest thread? (erk. probably that one, if it started). >That's a story I'd definitely like to hear as I am currently about to >embark on such a project. Currently I have them in very tall dangerous >piles on top of a long chest of drawers in my bedroom. But I'm trying >o come up with a safer solution after half of them tumbled to the floor >and blocked my door trapping me in my room for 90 minutes as I dug out. >Oddly only 2 CD cases broke. I also decided I needed to be a good >librarian and weed my collection as picked up CDs off the floor I had >listened to in over 5 years. So any ideas low cost homemade solutions >would be appreciated. I make modular shelving for my CDs. Take one piece of 200mm (8") x 1800mm (6') MDF board. Cut three 150mm (6") lengths and one 50 mm (2") length off the end. Cut the 50mm length into two blocks 50mm x 100 mm (2" x 4"). You now have a shelf, three uprights, and supports for the two outer legs to keep the shelf square. Drill holes necessary to nail the uprights to the ends and centre of the shelf, and to screw the supports to the uprights at the ends. Nail and screw*, making sure to keep the uprights at 90 degrees to the shelf. you should end up with something like this shape: x x x - ------------------- |__/ | \__| | | | Now for the trick. If you're going to be stacking these things up, drill nailholes part way through the shelf immediately above the uprights (at the points marked 'x' above. Hammer nails in so that they protrude of the shelf by about 25mm (1"). carefully line up your next shelf abover these nails, and drill larger holes into the bottom of its uprights, so that they slide over the nails. These proud nails thus become locking lugs, holding the uprights of the upper shelf in position. I've got CD shelves stacked about six or seven higj by this method,a nd it works a treat. If you've got them more than about three high, it's worth (a) checking that the floor is flat underneath where they will sit, and (b) attaching the shelves to the wall (by a screw through one of the two supports in the top shelf). Each shelf of that length holds about 120 CDs, so two sets each five shelves high would hold 1200 CDs. >> usage, too; f'rinstance, the uses of "sorry" and "excuse me" are >> completely reversed between (particularly) Scottish and Midwestern US >> usage. > >I thought everybody now just said "no problem"? you say 'no problem' to mean 'could you repeat that'? >Myself: Between Robyn (again) and Horslips (both in vinyl and cd) >Sarah would have the enviable task of snuggling in between Nina Simone and >Siouxie. (Klaus Schulze/Siouxie in vinyl). mmm... Siouxsie in vinyl... James np - Pine, "Longplayer" nf - Malta, per pale argent and gules, in canton a George Cross proper fimbriated of the second. * once you've finished that, construct the shelf James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 00:48:53 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: file > >>- - Brian "what do I win?" Huddell > > > >What else? A shopping list! Woo! > > > >Kristian Hoffman > >Robin Holcomb > >Hole > >Peter Holsapple & Chris Stamey > >Hoodoo Gurus > >The Hope Blister > >Wayne Horvitz > >House of Freaks > >Hugo Largo > >Lida Husik > > not to mention Billie Holiday, The Hollies, Buddy Holly, The > Holy Toledos, > The House of Love, The Housemartins, The Humblebums, and Hunters and > Collectors! Oh, and Howie B, unless you file him under B. Yeah, the problem with this particular geekercize is that you reveal the gaps in your collection! If we include vinyl I actually fall between The Housemartins and Human Sexual Response. Brian "nothing funny about that" Huddell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 23:23:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #295 James Dignan wrote: > mmm... Siouxsie in vinyl... i used to have that T-Shirt, though I'm pretty sure my brother stole it from me years ago... ===== "If we don't allow journalists, politicians, and every two-bit Joe Schmo with a cause to grandstand by using 9-11 as a lame rhetorical device, then the terrorists have already won." -- "Shredder" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 23:41:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: filing myself Tom Clark wrote: > -tc, but I still can't find the case for "Kid A!" > > p.s. Punctuation geeks - is the above correct? I remember learning > that you always put the punctuation inside the quotes, but it just > doesn't look right sometimes. but aren't album titles italicized or underlined, rather than in quotes? CD's filed alphabetically, but divided into regular albums, compilations, ep's/singles, comedy/spoken word, live albums, and various artist, mostly because that's how they best fit into the racks I have. ===== "If we don't allow journalists, politicians, and every two-bit Joe Schmo with a cause to grandstand by using 9-11 as a lame rhetorical device, then the terrorists have already won." -- "Shredder" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 23:44:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: filing your nails James Dignan wrote: > >From: Jeff Dwarf > > > >by nom de feg: The Dukes of Stratosphear and Bob Dylan > > > >by nom de reality: Aimee Mann and Bob Marley > > admit it - you're Mantovani, aren't you? well, _somebody_ has no moral qualms about outing people needlessly! ===== "If we don't allow journalists, politicians, and every two-bit Joe Schmo with a cause to grandstand by using 9-11 as a lame rhetorical device, then the terrorists have already won." -- "Shredder" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:24:17 -0000 From: "Mandarin Red" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #294 >>if you made a solo album and filed it with your >>own music collection, who would be filed on either side of it >>(alphabetically)? ooh, good question. i'd be between Radiohead and R.E.M.. not bad, i don't think. :) - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eclipse eclipse@tuliphead.com Kindness towards all things is the true religion. - Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:07:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: filing myself On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > but aren't album titles italicized or underlined, rather than in > quotes? Yes - unless you're _USA Today_, who mysteriously reverses the convention and italicizes song titles while putting album titles in quotes. Bizarre. > CD's filed alphabetically, but divided into regular albums, > compilations, ep's/singles, comedy/spoken word, live albums, and > various artist, mostly because that's how they best fit into the racks > I have. Ah hell... Single-artist CDs alphabetically regardless of genre except classical and composer-less very early music CDs; within artist, chronologically (although I go back and forth on where compilations should go, or whether an album recorded in 1995 but not released until 2002 should go...). That section followed by compilations, soundtracks, etc., filed alpha by title (*including* single-artist tribute albums - which somehow seems wrong, but filing those within the comp section by tributed artist name, or after music by the artists themselves, somehow seems wrong). Then classical, which is filed (bring out the geek crown) alphabetically by *label* and within label by *catalog number*. Why? Because of the problem I mentioned earlier: if you have, say, Bartok's Concerto for Orchestra on one CD, a disc by the Kronos Quartet featuring works by multiple composers on another, and a collection of piano concerti by different composers with different orchestras but the same pianist on another CD, there's no single system that makes sense. I suppose I could give up and file those under "Bartok," "Kronos Quartet," and "Pianist, Bob" - but what if Kronos commissions a bunch of pieces for string quartet and solo piano, and Bob Pianist plays on all of them? So label->catalog no. it is. This works surprisingly well, once you learn to note what label a particular title is on. Of course, I listen to my classical CDs less than most everything else - mostly because they require more time and attention, two quantities in short supply for me... But hey - some of us knew some folks who, for a time, had their CDs filed by the color of the CDs' spines - so I guess whatever system works for you... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Drive ten thousand miles across America and you will know more about ::the country than all the institutes of sociology and political science ::put together. __Jean Baudrillard__ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:10:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The joys of CDDB On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, richblath wrote: > Every once in a while CDDB comes up with a rather surreal alternative > idea of the nature of the CD you have just put in the drive. I got a > copy of Ash's new CD single (I know they are far more likely to find a > direct alternative match than albums), Envy - mainly for their version > of the Buzzcocks' I Don't Mind, one of my all-time favourite songs - to > be told after the CDDB search that I was actually listening to a Boyzone > single! Boyzone go pop/rock - maybe that was the career change they > missed thereby shortening their band's life span! That's because the matching is done primarily by no. of tracks and overall length. It would appear that's more likely to concur with CD singles - at least, that's been my experience too. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::PLEASE! You are sending cheese information to me. I don't want it. ::I have no goats or cows or any other milk producing animal! __"raus"__ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:08:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Buying Nextdoorland On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Kenneth Johnson wrote: > happy if they are just alphabetical. I do keep rock and pop separate > from jazz, orchestral, world and spoken word. Even various artists are > sorted at the end, including soundtracks. My books are separated into > fiction and non with the latter further subdivided into subjects like > philosophy,history,biography,language arts,criticism, etc. See, the reason I don't do that (and I have enough trouble deciding what counts as "classical": see my earlier post) is that then I'd have to decide what genre something is. Is Michel Foucault's _Discipline and Punish_ philosophy, history, criticism, or what? And there's no such thing as "world music" as a genre - unless it's bland jazz fusion with a couple of "exotic" flutes and percussion to make you think somebody from Senegal or somewhere was involved at some point - probably right before fourteen layers of synths were attached. Sorry - the reduction of a huge and diverse body of music from several hundred nations and peoples into one, big, gloppy label just gets my goat. And the lame, pseudo-ethnic stuff produced intentionally under the label "world beat" is what that goat leaves behind. Uh-oh, I'm ranting again. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::part of your circuit of incompetence:: ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:16:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Librarian Rock? Came across this link, figiured I'd pass it on with all the "catalogging" talk and the fact of the unusually high number of librarians and people of books on this list.... http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/artsentertainment/134538735_bloodhag20.html Herbie np -> "ain't No Right" Jane's Addiction ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 02:38:33 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Attention Psychedelic people On Fri, Sep 20, 2002, Eugene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > NP: the swirling mellotrons of The Rolling Stones's "2000 Light Years From Home" I once got free tickets to see Echo and the Bunnymen when they toured without Ian McCullough. They did a very impressive cover of 2000 Light Years From Home. - -Ken ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #296 ********************************