From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #293 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, September 19 2002 Volume 11 : Number 293 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Go file yourself ["Rex.Broome" ] places [drew ] Let's All Chant....Om [crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com] RE: Go file yourself ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Re: Ra: Ra: De: Doo: Doo: Doo: De: Da: Da: Da: [grutness@surf4nix.com] NYC Soft Boys Tix In The Loop ["Dom Astronomy" ] Re: Re: Ra: Ra: De: Doo: Doo: Doo: De: Da: Da: Da: [Christopher Gross ] Graham Green/Mexico/Catholics was: Re: Iraq/Canada oil/water [Jason Mille] Techie mp3 question ["matt sewell" ] Re: band names [Stewart Russell ] Re: Go file yourself [Stewart Russell ] Re: band names [Ken Weingold ] Re: band names [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Stewart, have you seen this? [bayard ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:47:30 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Go file yourself To the Jeffs: sorry for the mixup. The Real Jeff Dwarf: >>I'd always thought of the name Throwing Muses the same way -- that the name >>referred to muses in the act of throwing, not muses being thrown by >>someone/something else. I've always liked the ambiguity of the name... activity or description? Once I called up Ticketbastard and asked for tickets to "Throwing Muses at Spaceland", and the guy asked me what kind of event it was. I briefly envisioned a sporting event wherein competitors tossed inspirational goddesses towards, say, a model of a futuristic city, but, like most Ticketmaster coversations, it made my brain hurt. >>If you simply name your band after a place then (a) if it's a place in >>America, you will play boring AOR I named a band The Carolinas once. We, um, did not play AOR; the boring part is up for debate. The intention was ambiguity as to whether we meant the states or proper names. Oddly, we existed pretty much only in '95-'96 and I later found out there was another band by the same name at the same time (the one you can find on the AMG isn't mine, nor is the experimental group Caroliner, which I think is an awful name). I kind of like "The New Pavement Boys". It vaguely reminds me of an early name for Galaxie 500: "Joy Division on a Sunny Day". That may be an example of the "who can we be filed next to?" school of band names... I've always wondered if the impetus behind the otherwise-inscrutable name "Buffalo Tom" was to get their records in the bin next to Buffalo Springfield. Mildly diverting exercise: if you made a solo album and filed it with your own music collection, who would be filed on either side of it (alphabetically)? I would be between Benjamin Britten and James Brown. Right where I belong. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:11:33 -0700 From: drew Subject: places >From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) > >there are a couple of unwritten rules that hold about 90% of the time, too: >If you simply name your band after a place then (a) if it's a place in >America, you will play boring AOR; Chicago. Check. >(b) if it's a place in Britain, you will >play 'clever arty' dross; Portishead. Well...yeah, check. >(c) if it's a place in Eastern Europe you will >play goth metal. Berlin. Ch...huh? >From: "glen uber" > >i am so angry, i don't know how to express myself. UGH. I would be completely livid myself. Really sorry to hear that, Glen. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:00:18 +0100 (BST) From: crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com Subject: Let's All Chant....Om Hal writted >It appears to be "Om" from the forthcoming >Side Three. Certainly is...and it's vying with Kingdom Of Love as my favourite SBs track ever. The guitars!! The guitars!! - and the delicious heady melodies and harmonies. Blimey! I could have written that AMG review. Spot on about the production IMHO. Strangely, Side 3 doesn't seem to have the same problem...wonder why? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:07:24 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Go file yourself Rex wrote: >Mildly diverting exercise: if you made a solo album and filed it with your >own music collection, who would be filed on either side of it >(alphabetically)? I would be between Benjamin Britten and James Brown. >Right where I belong. Everyone is going to think Bachman-Turner Overdrive with me, right? Sorry, but I am booked by classical cd's, JS Bach on the front side and Maria Bachmann - Kiss on Wood, on the other side. Maria is a classical violinist. I am not sure on LP's, JS Bach on the front side for sure, but I am not sure on the back side, although it's probably Bad Company. Michael Bachman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:15:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: places On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, drew wrote: > >(c) if it's a place in Eastern Europe you will > >play goth metal. > > Berlin. Ch...huh? Ah, but we can consider Berlin part of *Central* Europe. Maybe even part of Western Europe, since Germany has been reunited. (This reminds me of a Czech cartoon I saw once, with two Czech guys getting into a fight: "Not Eastern, dammit! Central! Central European!") Offhand, the only bands I can think of named after places in Eastern Europe are Danzig and Laibach. Danzig is dubious because it's named after a man named after a city, rather than being named for the city itself. And while Laibach's music occasionally features anvil-heavy guitars, I wouldn't call them "goth metal" -- more like goth artsy experimental industrial. But rootsy. What other bands are named after places in Eastern Europe? I'm positive there are more that I can't think of at the moment. - --Chris "We have to see the chimp playing hockey! That's hilarious! Ice is so slippery, and monkeys are all irrational." -- Anya, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:32:58 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Re: Ra: Ra: De: Doo: Doo: Doo: De: Da: Da: Da: >Fric Chaud wrote: >> >> May I remind you that Chauvin was French? It was probably some >> poor imitation of Chauvinisme. > >this was no poor imitation. Where else would you find: > >* big flags on every house, as if to acts as totems: "go away nasty >rest-of-the-world!"# Sweden. Only there they say "We've got a nice bright flag and it makes the place look more cheerful." good to see that someone (who works in the Dictionary trade, natch) who knows the real meaning of the word Chauvinism. >'Nother one: gerund names. Note that Throwing Muses is one of my very >favorite bands (and Smashing Pumpkins one of my least), but stop calling >your band Killing Freddie or whatever. Same goes for movie and book titles. >It is, how you say, playing-ed out. If I'm wandering round a video store I sometimes move videos with titles like this next to each other so they form some sort of eccentric narrative flow: Driving Miss Daisy, Raising Arizona, Leaving Las Vegas, Saving Private Ryan, Wheeling West Virginia... >> Also, don't do something weird with capitalization/punctuation and then >> expect us all to write it that way whenever we write about your band. It >> was cool when fIREHOSE did it and I let that dog. get away with it, but no >> more. This means you, india.arie. Another travesty perpetuated by the >> already lamely named Matchbox 20/matchbox twenty. Feh. what was the first band/performer to do this? I can recall aHouse but surely there were others before this (personally, I blame e e cummings) >that was the other Jeff, the one who mentions he has two f's. my never >to be used band name was just gross. "Gross" isn't bad as a band name, actually... >No "new" things... well, I don't care - The New Moon it is and The New >Moon it will jolly well stay, whether it breaks any rules or no. My old >band was called Nomen Luni (and I'll thank any geeks out there to keep >the meaning of this to themselves!) and one of my favourite songs by the >'String Band is Waltz Of The New Moon. These are plenty of reasons! okay. Perhaps I should have qualified it a bit. No rehashing an old band name by adding 'new' to it. No "The New Soft Boys" (hm. Boys. Another exception to a rule, I see). >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26554-2002Sep16.html wasn't there an American state legislature that at one time decreed that pi would equal four? This strikes me as about the same level of head-in-the-sandedness. Or, as the Goodies put it "Nine out of ten doctors approve of this product! Mind you, it took a bit of searching to find the right ten doctors..." Sorry to hear your news, Glen - I hope it was all insured, and that they catch the bastards who did it. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 07:53:52 +0800 From: "Dom Astronomy" Subject: NYC Soft Boys Tix In The Loop Finally! http://www.boweryballroom.com/ The Soft Boys at Bowery Ballroom 21 and over ID Required / Feat. Robyn Hitchcock, Kimberly Rew, Morris Windsor, Matthew Seligman Saturday, October 26 10:00 PM (9:00 PM doors) U.S.$20.00 http://www.ticketweb.com/user/?region=nyc&query=detail&event=379817 The Soft Boys at Bowery Ballroom 21 and over ID Required / Feat. Robyn Hitchcock, Kimberly Rew, Morris Windsor, Matthew Seligman Sunday, October 27 9:00 PM (8:00 PM doors) U.S.$20.00 http://www.ticketweb.com/user/?region=nyc&query=detail&event=379818 dominick - -- "WILL NOT GIVEUP HALFWAY, WILL ALWAYS SUPPORT FAYE" The greatest Faye e-mail service. Provide e-mail, e-card, discussion forum and the latest entertainment news. Get your free email from http://www.wongfaye.com HOST BY M'SIA FAYENATIC CLUB Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:18:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Re: Ra: Ra: De: Doo: Doo: Doo: De: Da: Da: Da: On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, James Dignan wrote: > wasn't there an American state legislature that at one time decreed that pi > would equal four? Sort of. Here are the details: www.snopes.com/religion/pi.htm I know some folks think snopes.com spoils everyone's fun - but I love 'em. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I've been praying a lot lately - it's because I no longer have a TV:: __Mark Eitzel__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:17:37 -0400 From: guapo stick Subject: Fwd: [RobynHitchcockClub] Bowery SBs Tix kudos to mark for noticing these! >To: RobynHitchcockClub@yahoogroups.com >From: "MarkP" >Delivered-To: mailing list RobynHitchcockClub@yahoogroups.com >Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:57:58 -0000 >Subject: [RobynHitchcockClub] Bowery SBs Tix >Reply-To: RobynHitchcockClub@yahoogroups.com > >http://www.boweryballroom.com/ > >The Soft Boys >at Bowery Ballroom >21 and over ID Required / Feat. Robyn Hitchcock, Kimberly Rew, Morris >Windsor, Matthew Seligman >Saturday, October 26 10:00 PM (9:00 PM doors) >U.S.$20.00 > > >http://www.ticketweb.com/user/?region=nyc&query=detail&event=379817 > >The Soft Boys >at Bowery Ballroom >21 and over ID Required / Feat. Robyn Hitchcock, Kimberly Rew, Morris >Windsor, Matthew Seligman >Sunday, October 27 9:00 PM (8:00 PM doors) >U.S.$20.00 > > >http://www.ticketweb.com/user/?region=nyc&query=detail&event=379818 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:52:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Re: Ra: Ra: De: Doo: Doo: Doo: De: Da: Da: Da: On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, James Dignan wrote: > >that was the other Jeff, the one who mentions he has two f's. my never > >to be used band name was just gross. > > "Gross" isn't bad as a band name, actually... Sorry, it's already taken for my solo album. Which, if I don't buy some new CDs by appropriate artists, will be shelved in my collection between Gren and Guns 'n Roses, and boy am I chastened by that. Maybe I could get rid of the GnR, then at least I'd be between Gren and Haujobb. I've often thought that, if I somehow came into big money, I might endow a chair at one of my alma maters (almae matres?). Then some poor slob would be stuck being the Gross Professor of History. Heh. - --Chris (known to the Germans as Mr. Big) ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:29:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: band names And at all cost, avoid anything with an umlaut (or at least anything with an umlaut over a consonant) unless you plan to wear sprayed-on leather, platform boots, and big hair. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:31:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Jason Miller Subject: Graham Green/Mexico/Catholics was: Re: Iraq/Canada oil/water What's the time frame in the story? Mexico appears to have gone through several bouts of anti-Catholocism in its history. The 1920s were particulary bad: http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/history/jtuck/jtcristero1.html http://www.economist.co.uk/cities/findStory.cfm?city_id=MEX&folder= Facts-History http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/history/jtuck/jtalvaroobregon.html http://www.chapala.com/particles/10w.htm Jason Disclaimer: Everything I know about Mexican history I learned from Cormac McCarthy's Border Trilogy. All else courtesy of google. | Michael R Godwin said: | On a totally different issue, I was reading a Graham Green book the | other day about a Catholic priest who gets taken out and shot for | holding Catholic services in Mexico. I thought Mexico was a Catholic | country? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:08:15 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Techie mp3 question Hello A friend of mine has a load of Realplayer MP3s which he finds he can no longer burn onto CD... Anyone know why this is and how he could convert them? Cheers Matt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:57:57 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: band names Jill Brand wrote: > > And at all cost, avoid anything with an umlaut dang, and I was going to call my zero-fi band 'qume"sht' (that's a smoe-proof e-umlaut) since it's the Albanian word for milk. Pronounced "choom-sht". Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:05:41 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Go file yourself Rex.Broome wrote: > > Mildly diverting exercise: if you made a solo album and filed it with your > own music collection, who would be filed on either side of it > (alphabetically)? between lots of people called Russell that I've never heard of. Too far from Rush to be considered near-neighbours. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:08:33 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: band names On Wed, Sep 18, 2002, Jill Brand wrote: > And at all cost, avoid anything with an umlaut (or at least anything with > an umlaut over a consonant) unless you plan to wear sprayed-on leather, > platform boots, and big hair. Nope, can't support that, sorry. As apparently incorrect as it was, Husker Du used umlauts over the 'u's. I can't put one of the greatest bands of all time into a "can't do" category. ;-) - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:32:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: band names Stewart Russell wrote: > Jill Brand wrote: > > > > And at all cost, avoid anything with an umlaut > > dang, and I was going to call my zero-fi band 'qume"sht' (that's a > smoe-proof e-umlaut) since it's the Albanian word for milk. > Pronounced "choom-sht". actually, i think Jill's rule doesn't apply when the umlaut is an actual part of the word in question, but only to bands like Motley Crue, who use the umlaut to make themselves seem more badass even thought they looked like ugly girls. ===== "If we don't allow journalists, politicians, and every two-bit Joe Schmo with a cause to grandstand by using 9-11 as a lame rhetorical device, then the terrorists have already won." -- "Shredder" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:15:56 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: Re: Stewart, have you seen this? the American equivalent is "The Snoopy's Doghouse effect." =b ... what IS the point of having English and American dictionaries, Stewart? Not to mention Collegiate/Uniersity ones... > On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, bayard wrote: > > > So this one has British slang in it? I'm thinking not... > > The article actually did contain an example: "tardis" (which I've never > heard used generically by an American - or by anyone, but the article > notes its Brit origins - from, of course, Dr. Who). ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #293 ********************************