From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #292 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, September 18 2002 Volume 11 : Number 292 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Iraq/Canada oil/water [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Iraq/Canada oil/water [Stewart Russell ] Re: Iraq/Canada oil/water [Fric Chaud ] More statutes of band-name limitations ["Rex.Broome" ] oubliette [drew ] no longer Re: Iraq/Canada oil/water [Christopher Gross ] Re: Iraq/Canada oil/water [Tom Clark ] Re: More statutes of band-name limitations [Tom Clark ] Re: More statutes of band-name limitations [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Video clips from Amoeba in-store appearance [bayard ] Re: Video clips from Amoeba in-store appearance ["Marc Holden" ] Re: Band names and wire ["matt sewell" ] Re: Iraq/Canada oil/water [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Just one of the reasons... (NR) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Iraq/Canada oil/water > On 17 Sep 2002 at 10:48, gSs wrote: > > first it's on the gulf and its a port city so that exempts it, second > > we bought it so it is no longer canadian, i mean french. > On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Fric Chaud wrote: > Did you bought it with bullets? I believe no money was exchange. Then why was it called the Louisiana Purchase? Didn't I once see a Bob Hope film of that title, where he did a long James Stewart-style filibuster to expedite (or block?) the purchase? On a totally different issue, I was reading a Graham Green book the other day about a Catholic priest who gets taken out and shot for holding Catholic services in Mexico. I thought Mexico was a Catholic country? [I mean once they stopped doing all that chac-mool business with the hearts]. - - Mike Godwin n.p. The Warsaw Concerto, mimed unconvincingly by Anton Walbrook ... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:25:25 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Iraq/Canada oil/water Fric Chaud wrote: > > May I remind you that Chauvin was French? It was probably some > poor imitation of Chauvinisme. this was no poor imitation. Where else would you find: * big flags on every house, as if to acts as totems: "go away nasty rest-of-the-world!"# * in someone's front garden in Independence, MO, a life-sized tableau of a Muslim on a scaffold (probably meant to be ObL) with a noose around his neck, and Uncle Sam about to pull the lever ? Stewart #: an implag from the intro to Billy Connolly's old sketch "The Jobby Wheecher", except it involved cushions and mountains. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:37:37 -0400 From: Fric Chaud Subject: Re: Iraq/Canada oil/water On 17 Sep 2002 at 17:13, Michael R Godwin wrote: > Then why was it called the Louisiana Purchase? I made a research. http://earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/milestones/louisiana/ " The sale included over 600 million acres at a cost of less than 3 cents an acre in what today is the better part of 13 states between the Mississippi River and the Rocky Mountains. For President Thomas Jefferson it was a diplomatic and political triumph. In one fell swoop the purchase of Louisiana ended the threat of war with France and opened up the land west of the Mississippi to settlement" You are correct, there was a small amount of money echanged and only a threat of bullets. - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:45:33 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: More statutes of band-name limitations >Marc-- >bonus fact--the male sea cucumber gnaws it's penis off to un-couple after >mating. Ross: >>Frankly, a couple of times I've considered doing >>that myself. Yours or the sea cucumber's? ___________ JeffD: >>Maybe I'll just call it the Jesus Fish UK. Oh, forgot that one. No more names with "Jesus" in them. Also, don't do something weird with capitalization/punctuation and then expect us all to write it that way whenever we write about your band. It was cool when fIREHOSE did it and I let that dog. get away with it, but no more. This means you, india.arie. Another travesty perpetuated by the already lamely named Matchbox 20/matchbox twenty. Feh. 'Nother one: gerund names. Note that Throwing Muses is one of my very favorite bands (and Smashing Pumpkins one of my least), but stop calling your band Killing Freddie or whatever. Same goes for movie and book titles. It is, how you say, playing-ed out. Oh, wait, wasn't I just considering Challenging Stage as my own band name? Rex, hangs head in shame ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:38:56 -0400 From: Brian Subject: 4 1/2 Stars! I don't think anyone has posted this yet. It's AMG's review on the Soft Boys Nextdoorland: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=A78q4g4fztv2z Feeling very fortunate we have another Soft Boys album, - -Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:46:30 -0700 From: drew Subject: oubliette >From: Stewart Russell > >Nagasaki's bomb was originally destined for Fukuoka (Hakata), but it was >too cloudy there. There were plans to bomb either Nara or Kyoto, but I >think they were vetoed by Truman, since they had only cultural >significance, and such an act was seen as overly vindictive. Reading this gave me the hollowest, sickest feeling in the pit of my stomach, imagining Kyoto a levelled plain. I don't know enough about war to be able to objectively evaluate the apparently well-accepted claims that obliterating two cities saved lives and Ended The War Sooner. When I sit and think about American soldiers invading Japan, that's pretty horrifying too. What would be the equivalent for us? The total destruction of, I dunno, San Diego and Dallas, with San Francisco or Chicago being "overly vindictive"? In case it's not obvious, I'm not taking up any argument with you, Stewart, or anyone else in this thread. I'm just reflecting. I saw The Man Who Fell To Earth last night. Very interesting and bizarre flick. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:39:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: no longer Re: Iraq/Canada oil/water On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Michael R Godwin wrote: > On a totally different issue, I was reading a Graham Green book the other > day about a Catholic priest who gets taken out and shot for holding > Catholic services in Mexico. I thought Mexico was a Catholic country? > [I mean once they stopped doing all that chac-mool business with the > hearts]. I don't know the details, but the Catholic Church was repressed for a while during and after the Mexican Revolution (ca 1910-1920). Since the Church had sided with the conservatives in every major conflict for the preceeding century, it was hated by most or all of the revolutionary factions. They not only ended the Church's official status but actually banned it for a while, and various revolutionary groups sometimes took their own revenge on local priests and churches. I vaguely remember one of my childhood CCD classes (kind of a Catholic Sunday school, but held on Tuesday after school) using some Mexican teenager who was killed defending his church as an inspirational example. Of course, while the Mexican government was officially anti-clerical for decades after the revolution, the Church was only banned for a few years(?) and the majority of Mexicans remained Catholic. Home with a cold, Chris np: Stereolab, _Switched-On Stereolab_ ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:07:05 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Iraq/Canada oil/water on 9/17/02 9:25 AM, Stewart Russell at stewart@gandalfgraphics.com wrote: > * in someone's front garden in Independence, MO, a life-sized tableau of > a Muslim on a scaffold (probably meant to be ObL) with a noose around > his neck, and Uncle Sam about to pull the lever I have in-laws in Kansas City. Typical conversation includes statements along the lines of "the jigs had a barbeque last weekend", "look at those cute little pickininnies", and "it's raining pitchforks and nigger babies". I swore to my wife that I will never visit again. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:10:13 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: More statutes of band-name limitations on 9/17/02 9:45 AM, Rex.Broome at Rex.Broome@preferredmedia.com wrote: > This means you, india.arie Oh yeah. You've got to be really full of yourself to gloss yourself with a moniker like that. Read an interview with her. She believes she is the second coming of Maya Fucking Angelou with a guitar. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:13:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: More statutes of band-name limitations On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Rex.Broome wrote: > JeffD: > >>Maybe I'll just call it the Jesus Fish UK. No, that was me: I'm the Jeffrey with 2 Fs, he's the dwarf. > Also, don't do something weird with capitalization/punctuation and then > expect us all to write it that way whenever we write about your band. It > was cool when fIREHOSE did it and I let that dog. get away with it, but no > more. This means you, india.arie. Another travesty perpetuated by the > already lamely named Matchbox 20/matchbox twenty. Feh. When every other act is lowercasing and punctuating weird, how is doing so at all distinctive? Don't get me started... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::[clever or pithy quote]:: __[source of quote]__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:52:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Re: Iraq/Canada oil/water > Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:06:45 -0400 > From: Stewart Russell > Subject: Re: Iraq/Canada oil/water > > Actually, I rather prefer scifi author Paul di Philippo's scenario where > our little brother to the south gets so decadent that Ottawa takes > over using little more than a box of Timbits ... Do you happen to mean sci-fi writer Paul DiFilippo (who wrote the "Ribofunk," "Fractal Paisleys," and so on)? Wow, I like his work, too. Reading Rudy Rucker lead me to DeFilippo's work. DiFilippo actually refers to Robyn's Balloon Man in one of his short stories, by the way. NP: The Soft Boys's "Mr. Kennedy" -- thanks for the linkage, Tom . Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:05:15 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Iraq/Canada oil/water Eugene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > > Do you happen to mean sci-fi writer Paul DiFilippo (who wrote the "Ribofunk," > "Fractal Paisleys," and so on)? yes, I do. I see that my usual method of using Google as a spell-checker means that many people can't spell his name. That (now) includes me. Shoulda used Amazon. Ribofunk's one of my favourites. Wish I hadn't given it away. > DiFilippo actually refers to Robyn's Balloon Man > in one of his short stories cooler than a liquid helium frappe, I'd say. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:50:39 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: Video clips from Amoeba in-store appearance ...from 27 April 2002. www.glasshotel.net/video Many thanks to Marc Holden and (i think) Julie. Marc sent me tons of big-file photos too. Anyone know what newsong.mov is? "Get ready for the white light, the white light is your friend..." =b - -- http://glasshotel.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:04:39 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Re: Video clips from Amoeba in-store appearance Ohm--he dedicated it to Sterling Morrison of the Velvet Underground at Amoeba - ----- Original Message ----- From: "bayard" To: "erotic puppet show" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 1:50 PM Subject: Video clips from Amoeba in-store appearance > ...from 27 April 2002. > > www.glasshotel.net/video > > Many thanks to Marc Holden and (i think) Julie. Marc sent me tons of > big-file photos too. Anyone know what newsong.mov is? "Get ready for the > white light, the white light is your friend..." > > =b > > -- > http://glasshotel.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:52:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: More statutes of band-name limitations "Rex.Broome" wrote: > JeffD: > >>Maybe I'll just call it the Jesus Fish UK. that was the other Jeff, the one who mentions he has two f's. my never to be used band name was just gross. > 'Nother one: gerund names. Note that Throwing Muses is one of my > very favorite bands (and Smashing Pumpkins one of my least), but stop > calling your band Killing Freddie or whatever. Well, in the Pumpkins case, it was an adjective not a gerund per se, since in order to be a gerund it has to be a verb -- that's why they eventually added the "the" at the beginning. for that matter, I'd always thought of the name Throwing Muses the same way -- that the name referred to muses in the act of throwing, not muses being thrown by someone/something else. ===== "If we don't allow journalists, politicians, and every two-bit Joe Schmo with a cause to grandstand by using 9-11 as a lame rhetorical device, then the terrorists have already won." -- "Shredder" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:02:15 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Band names and wire >> > your band name, any more than "youth" or "future sound of". There >>should > be a whole list of verboten band name constructions. >> >>Also no one should ever be allowed to use the phrases "imperial", >>"super", or "drag". > >I'd suggest refraining from using either "twin" or "twins" at this point as >well. also avoid: - - letters of the Greek alphabet (e.g., AlphaOmega) - - deliberate misspellings of superlatives (e.g., X-trordinree, U-neek) - - any name containing the word 'boys' or 'girls' (e.g., The Pavement Boys) - - any use of the word 'new' (e.g., The New Pavement Boys) Having said that, "U-neek New Alpha Boys" has a certain je ne sais quoi (well, actually, a certain 'je ne particularly want to sais quoi') there are a couple of unwritten rules that hold about 90% of the time, too: If you simply name your band after a place then (a) if it's a place in America, you will play boring AOR; (b) if it's a place in Britain, you will play 'clever arty' dross; (c) if it's a place in Eastern Europe you will play goth metal. >> Or any name with a number that's not written out, ie Blink 182, Matchbox >> 20, 311, etc. On the other hand, names like Ben Folds Five, the Four >> Tops, etc., are okay. > >What about the Jackson 5, MC5, Current 93, Section 25, and Front 242? or 808 State, for that matter. But then again, there are exceptions to every rule. Including this one. I was once in a band that briefly considered calling itself "Liverpool nil". We decided against it for the sake of our physical wellbeing. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:02:03 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: The true north strong and free > Stewart > > an active member of the canadian conspiracy > heh heh heh, eh? ah - you probably know about this site, then: James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:14:32 -0400 From: CPPetunia@aol.com Subject: Re: Video clips from Amoeba in-store appearance hey you! how are you? how are the plans for thialand? I have some location questions for you, but I'm here at work,and they are at home. So I thought I would just say-"hey you!" - -- car ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:20:49 -0500 From: hal Subject: Re: Video clips from Amoeba in-store appearance bayard wrote: > www.glasshotel.net/video > Anyone know what newsong.mov is? "Get ready for the > white light, the white light is your friend..." It appears to be "Om" from the forthcoming Side Three. /hal, going to the Chicago show on 28 Oct ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:20:33 -0700 From: "glen uber" Subject: The worst that could have happened hey all, i am so angry, i don't know how to express myself. my lovely house was broken into today. gone are all 300+ of my cd's, not to mention my iMac, our TV, DVD player (but oddly, all of my DVD's are still here), my acoustic guitar, my wife's camera equipment, our stereo system and the kick-ass speakers i got for my birthday last year. needless to say, i am angry, sad, depressed, emotionally drained and confused. since i've been a feg for so long, this list is like a second home. i just thought by sharing this, i could save a few bucks on therapy. i hope i haven't wasted anyone's time or bandwidth with this post. i just needed a sympathetic ear to scream into and a soft shoulder to cry on. thanks to all of you for being. if you see any of my stuff, let me know. - -- Cheers! - -g- "Most people don't know what they're doing, and a lot of them are really good at it." - -- George Carlin glen uber =+= apostrophe (at) cruxofthebiscuit dot com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:14:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: The worst that could have happened On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, glen uber wrote: > my lovely house was broken into today. gone are all 300+ of my cd's, not > to mention my iMac, our TV, DVD player (but oddly, all of my DVD's are > still here), my acoustic guitar, my wife's camera equipment, our stereo > system and the kick-ass speakers i got for my birthday last year. > needless to say, i am angry, sad, depressed, emotionally drained and confused. God, that's just terrible. I'm fortunate enough never to have had my home robbed - but even a totally trivial thing like someone stealing some stupid little thing from my car made me feel more vulnerable, and I can't imagine what it must feel like to come home to one's own house and find that. I hope you're able to find your stuff, or get insurance to pay for as much of it as possible. And be thankful that, as bad as it is, at least it wasn't a violent break-in that injured you or your family - or worse. - --Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 01:11:17 -0500 From: steve Subject: Just one of the reasons... (NR) ....it rings hollow when Bush brings up Truth, Freedom, Humility, and all that other crap he likes to blather about. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26554-2002Sep16.html And where are those people who said there wouldn't be any difference between a Bush and Gore administration? - - Steve __________ "When we were getting ready to announce for the 1992 campaign, the Bush people said to us, 'Don't run this time -- wait four years and you'll have a free pass. If you do run, we'll destroy you.' And I said to Bill, 'What are they talking about -- how could they do that?' And now we're finding out." - Hillary Clinton to David Talbot, March 1998 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:57:33 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: Band names and wire Doh! No "new" things... well, I don't care - The New Moon it is and The New Moon it will jolly well stay, whether it breaks any rules or no. My old band was called Nomen Luni (and I'll thank any geeks out there to keep the meaning of this to themselves!) and one of my favourite songs by the 'String Band is Waltz Of The New Moon. These are plenty of reasons! Cheers Matt >From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) > >> > your band name, any more than "youth" or "future sound of". There > >>should > be a whole list of verboten band name constructions. > >also avoid: >- any use of the word 'new' (e.g., The New Pavement Boys) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:49:15 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Iraq/Canada oil/water More Caspian oil news: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2265670.stm - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:33:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Just one of the reasons... (NR) On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, steve wrote: > ....it rings hollow when Bush brings up Truth, Freedom, Humility, and > all that other crap he likes to blather about. > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26554-2002Sep16.html > > And where are those people who said there wouldn't be any difference > between a Bush and Gore administration? As a Wisconsin resident, I will note that Tommy Thompson is hardly the brighest pencil in the orchard either... I sometimes think such restructuring comes about in part because these guys genuinely do not understand how it could be possible that science might come to conclusions other than those supported by their ideologies. So a scientist (or a historian) who concludes differently is, ipso fucto, simply a poor scientist coming to obviously wrong conclusions. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::[clever or pithy quote]:: __[source of quote]__ np: Nothing Painted Blue _Emotional Discipline_ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #292 ********************************