From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #291 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, September 17 2002 Volume 11 : Number 291 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Ugly Americans and stuff [Christopher Gross ] Re: iBush ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Band names & Wire ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Stewart, have you seen this? [bayard ] Re: Stewart, have you seen this? [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] RE: Band names & Wire ["glen uber" ] Re: Ugly Americans and stuff [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Band names & Wire [Brian ] Re: Ugly Americans and stuff [Christopher Gross ] Mr. Kennedy [Tom Clark ] bahugs, verlaine, slime ["ross taylor" ] NYC parking ["Mike Hooker" ] detachable penises ["glen uber" ] sorry if this is a double post... ["Marc Holden" ] RE: Band names & Wire [Jeff Dwarf ] That Iraq thing [steve ] Oh, and this... [steve ] Sure, Entwistle's death was sad...but brace yourself for THIS [Eb ] Re: Thoughts on War and Civilian Losses [Stewart Russell ] Re: Iraq/Canada oil/water [Stewart Russell ] Re: Thoughts on War and Civilian Losses [gSs ] Re: Scotland, Iraq, Japan, Wind, and dancing on the head of a pin [Stewar] Re: Iraq/Canada oil/water [gSs ] Re: Iraq/Canada oil/water [Fric Chaud ] Re: Iraq/Canada oil/water [Fric Chaud ] Re: Stewart, have you seen this? [Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Ugly Americans and stuff On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, gSs wrote: > On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Christopher Gross wrote: > > Whether or not there's been any misunderstanding, I think we just > > disagree, and no amount of explication or understanding is going to change > > that. > > you could take acid or psilocin and then maybe swap partners for the > weekend. that might at least stop the misunderstandings. Finally, a practical solution! - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:04:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: iBush > From: Ken Weingold > Subject: iBush > > Hah. For those running Mac OS X, check out > . iBush. obRobynFollowup: iBush is made by ExpensiveSandwich.apps: "...and I'm dancing with a sandwich / that cost $11..." Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:25:51 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Band names & Wire Matt's evolving band names: >>the bassist in the band told me this and suggested we name the band Lost Rocket Theory You're correct to stick with your first choice. Don't put "theory" in your band name, any more than "youth" or "future sound of". There should be a whole list of verboten band name constructions. Dolph on Wire: >>A certain Mr. Doxtator found it a bit like seeing the Ramones -- basically one >>tempo, flat out. Except that while that's Wire's current (and original) concern, Wire has been many things throughout the years. The Ramones were kind of one thing and one thing only in perpetuity. Not to knock the Ramones, but what Wire's doing now seems pretty immediate and not just an exercise in nostalgia. The Sex Pistols played in So Cal this weekend and I highly doubt they saved the old hits for the encore. I missed Wire in LA. Dammit. Read a great review of the show, too. I've given up on feeling lame because parenthood keeps me away from the movies since I can eventually rent them. But I doubt Wire is gonna come to my house for an acoustic set in six months. Oh, well, at least I saw them on the last go-round. Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:15:40 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: Re: Stewart, have you seen this? > > First "d'oh", now this! i thought this was an ENGLISH dictionary, not an > > american one! > > > > http://www.nypost.com/living/22418.htm > > Why do you assume all of the slang terms included are American? (The ones > in the article, from an American paper, yes - but we don't know about the > overall spread of new terms.) And the "English" in the dictionary's name > refers to the language, not the nationality. So this one has British slang in it? I'm thinking not... http://www.oup-usa.org/noad/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 12:56:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Stewart, have you seen this? On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, bayard wrote: > So this one has British slang in it? I'm thinking not... The article actually did contain an example: "tardis" (which I've never heard used generically by an American - or by anyone, but the article notes its Brit origins - from, of course, Dr. Who). - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::[clever or pithy quote]:: __[source of quote]__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:27:48 -0700 From: "Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" Subject: RE: Band names & Wire > You're correct to stick with your first choice. Don't put "theory" in > your band name, any more than "youth" or "future sound of". There should > be a whole list of verboten band name constructions. Also no one should ever be allowed to use the phrases "imperial", "super", or "drag". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:42:09 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: RE: Band names & Wire At 11:27 AM 9/16/2002 -0700, Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc) wrote: > > You're correct to stick with your first choice. Don't put "theory" in > > > your band name, any more than "youth" or "future sound of". There >should > be a whole list of verboten band name constructions. > >Also no one should ever be allowed to use the phrases "imperial", >"super", or "drag". I'd suggest refraining from using either "twin" or "twins" at this point as well. Happy Mexican Independence Day, amigos! - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:48:36 -0700 From: "glen uber" Subject: RE: Band names & Wire Jason earnestly scribbled: >At 11:27 AM 9/16/2002 -0700, Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc) wrote: >> > You're correct to stick with your first choice. Don't put "theory" in >> >> > your band name, any more than "youth" or "future sound of". There >>should > be a whole list of verboten band name constructions. >> >>Also no one should ever be allowed to use the phrases "imperial", >>"super", or "drag". > >I'd suggest refraining from using either "twin" or "twins" at this point as >well. Or any name with a number that's not written out, ie Blink 182, Matchbox 20, 311, etc. On the other hand, names like Ben Folds Five, the Four Tops, etc., are okay. - -- Cheers! - -g- "Most people don't know what they're doing, and a lot of them are really good at it." - -- George Carlin glen uber =+= apostrophe (at) cruxofthebiscuit dot com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:28:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Ugly Americans and stuff On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Christopher Gross wrote: > On Sun, 15 Sep 2002, Aaron Mandel wrote: > > > Oh, sure. Lots of times. But, again, I was trying to read what you said in > > a reasonable light. If you literally think there were a lot of people who > > didn't even *care* about al-Qaida (and who hated *America* as opposed to > > some of the people claiming to act on its behalf), then no, I don't > > actually agree with you that there are many of these people swimming > > around, or that they are "leftists". > "I'm glad we all agree there. I don't know if I ever said so in so many > words, but the thing that most upset me about leftist reactions to Sept. > 11 was that they seemed to reserve all their anger for the American > response. Sure, most of them condemned the al Qaeda attacks, but without > a tithe of the passion and fervor with which they condemned America." > > simply and clearly than that, but I'll add some commentary. I was NOT > saying these people hated America or didn't care about al Qaeda; I WAS > saying that they seemed to care *more* about America's supposed crimes > than al Qaeda's. I'm thinking of those whose first and only reaction to > 9/11 was to talk about how America provoked it and how America's military > response would be evil. At the risk of yet further (mis)interpreting what's going on: I think Chris and Aaron have different definitions of "America" operating. Aaron says he didn't see many people hating "America"; Chris replies that lots of folks' anger seemed "reserved ... for the American response." "America" \=\ "American response" - a (non)equation which Chris then goes on to conflate by writing about passionate condemnations of "America." Aaron already addressed why people seemed more frustrated by, and said more about, the American response than about al Qaeda: because we (sorry, Brits, Canadians, Scots, NZers, etc.) are Americans and therefore "the American response" can be interpreted as *our* response. We are (and I hope no one here is an exception to this) not al Qaeda. We can be angry as hell at their actions - but nothing we say or do as individuals is terribly likely to affect them. We have no means of reaching them; people who kill themselves for a cause seem unlikely to be intimidated by force; in the first few days, no one was even claiming *credit* for the WTC/Pentagon attacks. But the US government was the US government: we know who they are, we know how to reach them, and they (theoretically) represent *us*. Such anger and reactions against "the American response" stand at least some chance of having effect. Expressions of anger etc. against al Qaeda are as effective as being angry at the moon - and as likely to affect their objects' reactions. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::"Shut up, you truculent lout, and let the cute little pixie sing!":: ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:43:06 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Band names & Wire On Mon, Sep 16, 2002, glen uber wrote: > Or any name with a number that's not written out, ie Blink 182, Matchbox > 20, 311, etc. On the other hand, names like Ben Folds Five, the Four > Tops, etc., are okay. What about the Jackson 5, MC5, Current 93, Section 25, and Front 242? - -Ken 5 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:54:23 -0400 From: Brian Subject: Re: Band names & Wire At Monday, 16 September 2002, you wrote: >On Mon, Sep 16, 2002, glen uber wrote: >> Or any name with a number that's not written out, ie Blink 182, Matchbox >> 20, 311, etc. On the other hand, names like Ben Folds Five, the Four >> Tops, etc., are okay. > >What about the Jackson 5, MC5, Current 93, Section 25, and Front 242? > >-Ken 5 Hey, watch it! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:28:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Ugly Americans and stuff On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > At the risk of yet further (mis)interpreting what's going on: I think > Chris and Aaron have different definitions of "America" operating. Aaron > says he didn't see many people hating "America"; Chris replies that lots > of folks' anger seemed "reserved ... for the American response." "America" > \=\ "American response" - a (non)equation which Chris then goes on to > conflate by writing about passionate condemnations of "America." Hmm! I never thought of it earlier, but you're right, and this may be a source of confusion. Though I still think my definition is as good as Aaron's.... In my view, if I was mad at the Czech government's deep-sea fishing policy, I could say I was "mad at the Czech Republic," without implying that I felt anger towards the mass of Czechs as individuals. Similarly, if we were talking about 9/11 and America's foreign relations, and someone was angry about the actions of the US government or another significant group of Americans, I'd say they were "angry at America" without feeling I was offending the gods of logic and rhetoric. But others might differ. So, when someone discussing 9/11 expressed anger at US foreign policy or American corporate greed, I thought of that as being angry at America. And when Jerry Falwell said we had it coming to us because of America's rampant homosexuality and feminism and pornography, I thought of that as being angry at America, too. > Aaron already addressed why people seemed more frustrated by, and said > more about, the American response than about al Qaeda: because we (sorry, > Brits, Canadians, Scots, NZers, etc.) are Americans and therefore "the > American response" can be interpreted as *our* response. We are (and I > hope no one here is an exception to this) not al Qaeda. We can be angry as > hell at their actions - but nothing we say or do as individuals is > terribly likely to affect them. We have no means of reaching them; people > who kill themselves for a cause seem unlikely to be intimidated by force; > in the first few days, no one was even claiming *credit* for the > WTC/Pentagon attacks. But the US government was the US government: we know > who they are, we know how to reach them, and they (theoretically) > represent *us*. > > Such anger and reactions against "the American response" stand at least > some chance of having effect. Expressions of anger etc. against al Qaeda > are as effective as being angry at the moon - and as likely to affect > their objects' reactions. Ehh, I don't know. You may be too rational about people's emotions here. (I guess I'm thinking mainly about early reactions to 9/11, not what people are saying a year later.) If someone's immediate reaction consisted almost entirely of denunciations of American policy, my gut feeling is that it wasn't because they were rationally directing their anger toward politically effective targets; it's because they just care more about American crimes than anyone else's, or because they aren't comfortable with condemning anyone except America, or something of that nature. Which is their privilege; people can care about whatever they want. But I don't have to like it, or let it pass in silence. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 13:56:42 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Mr. Kennedy I don't think this has been posted yet. Matador has an mp3 of Mr. Kennedy from Nextdoorland. http://www.matadorrecords.com/music/ Doing my part, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:56:50 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: bahugs, verlaine, slime From a couple of digests & one failed transmission back-- gSs-- >i wuz thinkun' bout mi mar en par en thinkun bout the lar but most of all yu wer thinkin' bout the Jack of Hearts? - --- Nuppy-- Only ones I see on Amazon are Words From the Front ["Present Arrived"!], an anthology & the 1st, which is also at Colletor's Choice www.ccmusic.com/index.cfm along w/ the Richard Lloyd 1st. - --- Marc-- >bonus fact--the male sea cucumber gnaws it's penis off to un-couple after mating. Frankly, a couple of times I've considered doing that myself. Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:14:27 -0400 From: "Mike Hooker" Subject: NYC parking hi, anyone know of a cheap parking lot around soho/hoho ? i used to park all day on the corner of houston and bowery for 10 bucks, but the city took over the lot . thanks take at look at my music trading list ( new URL) http://hometown.aol.com/mhooker216/myhomepage/index.html have fun, Mike Hooker ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:34:58 -0700 From: "glen uber" Subject: detachable penises ross earnestly scribbled: >Marc-- >>bonus fact--the male sea cucumber gnaws it's penis off to un-couple after >mating. > >Frankly, a couple of times I've considered doing >that myself. Yikes! I've definitely had "coyote arm" but never "sea cucumber penis". I can only imagine what you must have been thinking (or drinking). - -- Cheers! - -g- "If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is 'God is crying.' And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to tell him is 'Probably because of something you did.'" - --Jack Handey glen uber =+= apostrophe (at) cruxofthebiscuit dot com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:23:12 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: sorry if this is a double post... I thought I had posted this from a friend's computer while I was in California this weekend, but I don't see any sign of it. I went to the Inland Invasion 2 in Ontario, California on Saturday (Sex Pistols, X, The Damned, The Buzzcocks, Circle Jerks, Social Distortion, Bad Religion, the Offspring, and 9 other bands), and wanted to point out this Hitchcock/Soft Boys related bit: The Circle Jerks played I Wanna Destroy You and dedicated it "to the people who buy U2 albums". A great show overall, with the bands mentioned above all putting in really good sets--X was especially great, for the 35 minutes they let them have the stage. Later, Marc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:25:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: Band names & Wire On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, glen uber wrote: > Jason earnestly scribbled: > > >At 11:27 AM 9/16/2002 -0700, Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc) wrote: > >> > You're correct to stick with your first choice. Don't put "theory" in > >> > >> > your band name, any more than "youth" or "future sound of". There > >>should > be a whole list of verboten band name constructions. > >> > >>Also no one should ever be allowed to use the phrases "imperial", > >>"super", or "drag". > > > >I'd suggest refraining from using either "twin" or "twins" at this point as > >well. > > Or any name with a number that's not written out, ie Blink 182, Matchbox > 20, 311, etc. On the other hand, names like Ben Folds Five, the Four > Tops, etc., are okay. Well, that shoots my idea of naming my (strictly hypothetical) band The Future Sound of Imperial Super Youth Drag Theory Twins 23. Maybe I'll just call it the Jesus Fish UK. Or Radiant Pork Fist. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::The more you drive, the less intelligent you are:: __Miller, in REPO MAN__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:41:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: RE: Band names & Wire Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > glen uber wrote: > > Jason earnestly scribbled: > > >Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc) wrote: > > >> > You're correct to stick with your first choice. Don't put > > >> >"theory" in your band name, any more than "youth" or "future > > >> >sound of". There should be a whole list of verboten band name > > >> >constructions. > > >>Also no one should ever be allowed to use the phrases "imperial", > > >>"super", or "drag". > > >I'd suggest refraining from using either "twin" or "twins" at this > > >point as well. > > > > Or any name with a number that's not written out, ie Blink 182, > > Matchbox 20, 311, etc. On the other hand, names like Ben Folds > > Five, the Four Tops, etc., are okay. Well thank god they changed it to Matchbox Twenty. > Well, that shoots my idea of naming my (strictly hypothetical) band > The Future Sound of Imperial Super Youth Drag Theory Twins 23. > > Maybe I'll just call it the Jesus Fish UK. > > Or Radiant Pork Fist. I'll never use it, so Smegma Rosebud is still available. and should probably stay that way. (sounds more like an avant garde gay sex performance artist[s] troup than a band anyways). ===== "If we don't allow journalists, politicians, and every two-bit Joe Schmo with a cause to grandstand by using 9-11 as a lame rhetorical device, then the terrorists have already won." -- "Shredder" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 01:13:23 -0500 From: steve Subject: That Iraq thing A couple of interesting links from Joe Conason's little Salon blog - http://www.sundayherald.com/27735 http://www.newamericancentury.org/publicationsreports.htm - - Steve __________ Maybe federal employees shouldn't get the double protection of unions and civil service status. It's not an unreasonable argument. If that's what the president believes, he should send up a separate bill abolishing the civil service system. What he's doing here is just using the crushed, maimed and devastated of 9/11 to prop up Grover Norquist's federal workplace policy agenda. - Josh Marshall ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 01:16:42 -0500 From: steve Subject: Oh, and this... http://www.nhgazette.com/chickenhawks.html - - Steve __________ A New York Times investigation into overseas ballots that helped George W. Bush win the presidency found that Florida election officials, facing intense GOP pressure to accept military votes, counted hundreds of overseas absentee ballots that failed to comply with state election laws. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:32:09 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Sure, Entwistle's death was sad...but brace yourself for THIS 'Sanford & Son' Actress Page Dies The Associated Press Sep 16 2002 8:53PM INGLEWOOD, Calif. (AP) - LaWanda Page, who played the fearsome, Bible-toting aunt Esther Anderson on the 1970s television comedy ``Sanford & Son,'' has died. She was 81. Page died Saturday at Centinela Hospital Medical Center from complications of diabetes, friend and producer Donald Welch said Monday. After the aunt Esther role from 1973 to 1977 on ``Sanford & Son,'' Page appeared as aunt Esther in the short-lived spinoff ``The Sanford Arms'' in 1977. She also starred in ``Detective School'' in 1979 and ``B.A.D. Cats'' in 1980. Born in Cleveland on Oct. 19, 1920, Page began her show business career as a dancer and chorus girl on the club circuit where she was billed as ``The Bronze Goddess of Fire'' because she lit cigarettes with her fingertips, swallowed fire and touched flaming torches to her body. Childhood friend Redd Foxx gave her the biggest break when he recommended her for the aunt Esther role. She made guest appearances on ``Family Matters,'' ``Amen,'' ``227,'' ``Diff'rent Strokes,'' ``Martin'' and ``In Living Color.'' Her movie credits included ``Friday,'' ``Meteor Man,'' ``My Blue Heaven'' and ``CB4.'' On stage, she appeared in Welch's gospel musical, ``Take It to the Lord ... Or Else!'' Page is survived by a daughter. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:06:45 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Iraq/Canada oil/water gSs wrote: > >>Hmmm. Canada has 20% of the world's fresh water. > > don't tempt us. we'll combine the yukon and nwt and call it The New Texas or > T2 Actually, I rather prefer scifi author Paul di Philippo's scenario where our little brother to the south gets so decadent that Ottawa takes over using little more than a box of Timbits ... Stewart - -- an active member of the canadian conspiracy heh heh heh, eh? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:17:40 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Thoughts on War and Civilian Losses *FS Thomas* wrote: > > If I remember right, neither were major military installations. (bit late in the day, but) Hiroshima was a major manufacturing centre and (I believe) army garrison. Nagasaki had huge naval dockyards, but they missed those. Nagasaki's bomb was originally destined for Fukuoka (Hakata), but it was too cloudy there. There were plans to bomb either Nara or Kyoto, but I think they were vetoed by Truman, since they had only cultural significance, and such an act was seen as overly vindictive. All this half-remembered from the Hiroshima and Nagasaki museums from a visit 12 years ago. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:22:25 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Iraq/Canada oil/water On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Stewart Russell wrote: > gSs wrote: > > > >>Hmmm. Canada has 20% of the world's fresh water. > > > > don't tempt us. we'll combine the yukon and nwt and call it The New Texas or > > T2 > > Actually, I rather prefer scifi author Paul di Philippo's scenario where > our little brother to the south gets so decadent that Ottawa takes > over using little more than a box of Timbits ... Are those donut holes? Canadian french donut holes? We don't allow french things to go any farther south than Fargo. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:36:19 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Iraq/Canada oil/water gSs wrote: > > Are those donut holes? yeah, but better > Canadian french donut holes? not French, though we do have to thank our friends in PQ that it's "Tim Hortons" and not "Tim Horton's". > We don't allow french > things to go any farther south than Fargo. Explain Louisiana, then. Stewart (who saw some scary shit chavinistic stuff in MO when I was there over the weekend) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:39:16 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Thoughts on War and Civilian Losses *FS Thomas* wrote: > If I remember right, neither were major military installations. Japan was a major military installation. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:44:51 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Scotland, Iraq, Japan, Wind, and dancing on the head of a pin James Dignan wrote: > > try: not bad, but a bit patchy. Well researched and peer-reviewed is http://www.bwea.com/ref/faq.html -- the fact sheets are (or were, when I was active in the BWEA) really good. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:48:40 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Iraq/Canada oil/water On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Stewart Russell wrote: > > We don't allow french > > things to go any farther south than Fargo. > > Explain Louisiana, then. first it's on the gulf and its a port city so that exempts it, second we bought it so it is no longer canadian, i mean french. all we had to do with New Orleans is take an essentially bland well worn old world style cuisine and make it taste good. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:56:39 -0400 From: Fric Chaud Subject: Re: Iraq/Canada oil/water On 17 Sep 2002 at 10:48, gSs wrote: > first it's on the gulf and its a port city so that exempts it, second > we bought it so it is no longer canadian, i mean french. Did you bought it with bullets? I believe no money was exchange. >all we had to > do with New Orleans is take an essentially bland well worn old world > style cuisine and make it taste good. Yes, the American influence. That is why the cuisine of Nebraska is renamed. - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:00:52 -0400 From: Fric Chaud Subject: Re: Iraq/Canada oil/water On 17 Sep 2002 at 11:36, Stewart Russell wrote: > (who saw some scary shit chavinistic stuff in MO when I was there over > the weekend) May I remind you that Chauvin was French? It was probably some poor imitation of Chauvinisme. - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:09:11 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Stewart, have you seen this? bayard wrote: > > http://www.nypost.com/living/22418.htm oh dear, not the now-obligatory "Hey Kids! Look how hip our new dictionary is!" news release. Sad to say, dictionary marketing types like to sprinkle a few pointless neologisms on their newest titles at the last minute just for the sake of a soundbite. Indeed, I know of one dictionary that had a new edition created in order to accommodate *one* new word, carefully crafted up by the publisher's PR company. Couldn't tell you which, but they're the one with the big smear on the cover. Did I say smear? Oops, what I meant to say was "artistic creation", and in no way did I mean to imply that anyone involved in printing the thing managed to put a mucky handprint on the cover too late to fix it before it hit the presses ... OUP are to be congratulated for pouring gobs of cash into their dictionary database system to allow them to do rapid updates; they've got the technology spot-on. The cynical might say it's just a way of using up tax-free cash before various countries strike down OUP's charitable status. But I wouldn't. Stewart ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #291 ********************************