From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #286 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, September 13 2002 Volume 11 : Number 286 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Iraq ["Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" ] Bugs, echinoderms, turbines, vampire cans ["Rex.Broome" ] Iraq/Canada oil/water [rosso@videotron.ca] War, Capaldi, Slater, Lucas, Windfarm, Moon, and Zevon (Attorneys at law?) [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dign] Re: catching up ["Michael Wells" ] Re: Bugs, echinoderms, turbines, vampire cans [Stewart Russell ] Re: catching up ["glen uber" ] Re: Ogden's Nutgone Flake with bees [rosso@videotron.ca] Re: back to 'tics [steve ] B&P Offer (September 2002) [Mike Swedene ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #284 ["Brian Hoare" ] Re: back to 'tics ["matt sewell" ] Re: fireflies & rainbows & eating slime ["matt sewell" ] RE: Iraq ["matt sewell" ] New e-mail address ["glen uber" ] Re: Iraq/Canada oil/water [gSs ] Re: back to 'tics [gSs ] Oh boy [The Great Quail ] Re: back to 'tics [Michael R Godwin ] Re: back to 'tics [Michael R Godwin ] Re: back to 'tics ["matt sewell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:29:24 -0700 From: "Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" Subject: RE: Iraq The High King Quail wrote: > I will go so far as to say that if Iraq decided to sell their oil to a > country we were currently at war with, we would also have a reason to > intervene. If they were also still selling to us what would be the problem? What about neutrality? Iraq should be able to do whatever it wants with its natural resources provided it doesn't harm the environment in some catastrophic way. If they want to not sell to anyone fine if they want to limit who they sell too then fine. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:11:47 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Bugs, echinoderms, turbines, vampire cans Ross: >>I think that in Tennessee, NC & Virginia it was generally "fireflies." Interesting... northen Appalachia and Maryland, however, appear to be diehard lightning bug territories. Informal office poll reveals that Californians call them fireflies, but there aren't any such insects in California, so there's that. I have the feeling that I've *read* "firefly" more than I've heard it. Must sound more literary or poetic without the word "bug" in it or something. >>I once ordered a sea-cucumber in a Chinese restaurant (some kind of creature, >>don't know phylum or family) Echinoderm. I've never bothered to try one, having already covered that phylum in the form of urchin, which was okay but didn't inspire me to order seconds. Very goopy. ____________ Many many wind turbines in Northern California. They look fantastic around sunset. Always wanted to set a chase sequence amongst them in that screenplay I've never started. The coolest ones look like double helixes and move like enormous eggbeaters. And then the blood goes splllllehhh, in slow motion. ___________ The track list for the CVB box is a bit of a letdown indeed. A grand total of one whole bonus track on the first four discs? Feh! Plus, if I had my druthers, I'd resequence "Vantiquities" so that the Vampire Can EP regained its original track order. Nice little EP that's already had the indignity of having 5/6ths of its tunes tacked onto the end of one or the other reissue of the S/T record. Ah well. What's a country boy to do? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:48:36 -0000 From: "Eclipse" Subject: Re: cvb, rew, s3 Brian: > To be honest I haven't played it in years so it's a vague memory. I quite > liked the instrumentals but the songs failed to grab me. Where The Hell Is > Bill I liked, Lassie Goes To The Moon just felt too forced in the "wacky" > department, I don't really remember the rest. i sat on the porch listened to the rain smoked a cigarette and counted to ten oh no here it comes again that funny feelin' oh no here it comes again that funny feelin' now THAT is classic CVB, to me. :) - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eclipse eclipse@tuliphead.com Kindness towards all things is the true religion. - Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:08:33 -0400 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Iraq/Canada oil/water > I will go so far as to say that if Iraq decided to sell their oil to a > country we were currently at war with, we would also have a reason to > intervene. Hmmm. Canada has 20% of the world's fresh water. The US needs water. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:13:12 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: War, Capaldi, Slater, Lucas, Windfarm, Moon, and Zevon (Attorneys at law?) >The comparison with Hitler and Churchill is so badly-thought-out and so >obviously ridiculous, I'm not even going to bother to pull it apart. quote of the day: "The American leadership seem intent on making Saddam Hussein out to be the new Hitler. But they are in grave danger of making him into the new Ho Chi Minh." (political analyst Chris Trotter) >PS re: "Roll it over": I won't bore you with how good that Clapton Rainbow >concert was. Only show I ever paid a scalper to get into - three quid for >a 75p ticket! Best number was 'Pearly Queen' with Capaldi on drums. The >lineup was virtually the same as Blind Faith but with sane drumming, plus >Pete T and Ronnie W, who did an excellent job on the Duane Allman slide >parts. Did I read somewhere that Winwood wanted Capaldi in Blind Faith, >but somehow Ginger Baker muscled his way into the drum seat? a question - does anyone know whether Jim Capaldi and actor Peter Capaldi are related? Or is Capaldi a more common name in the UK than I imagined? >We call 'em Slaters in Scotland. To the intense annoyance of anyone with >that surname. they're slaters here too. >It is cool. I recently was talking to a someone who had named their child >"Lucas", and they mentioned that they had just come across a meaning for the >name that involved "giving light". I said, "Hey, that makes sense... it >would be the same root as "Lucifer", which means "light-bringer". That >didn't go over too well. The short-reigning Pope John Paul I had the birth name of Albino Luciani - a gloriously apt "white light". Oh, and a standing joke in my family: three of my dad's siblings wwre named Gabrielle, Raphael - and Lu'. No, it's short for Louis, but... (to complete the set, his son is my cousin Michael) >> "Lucas" ... a meaning for the name that involved "giving light" > >quite the opposite if you've ever owned a car with Lucas electrics; >Lucas, Prince of Darkness. hm. I feel an Industrial Light and Magic comment coming on... >There's a proposal for wind power in Southern Ontario. One group is >contesting it on the basis of aesthetics, because it's cottage country. >They're also saying that it may endanger birds. they work fine and look reasonably pleasing on the rolling hills of the Wairarapa. They don't endanger birds nearly as much as exhaust emissions. And they've even become a minor tourist attraction: I also mention them in the North Island travelogue on my website... re Earth's new moon, the BBC-online article refers to Cruithne as a natural satellite of Earth. Not strictly true. It is an asteroid which shares Earth's path in a resonant orbit, but does not travel around the Earth. For details of this weird astronomical beast, try BTW - heard today that that Warren Zevon's terminally ill - issat true? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:26:51 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: catching up Eclipse: > now THAT is classic CVB, to me. :) Me too, though I'd have to vote for the Third Album as my fave. Strange, this topic comes up right as I'm having an offlist orgasmatron trading period of CVB material. Ross: > Hmmm. Canada has 20% of the world's fresh water. The US needs > water. Only if you promise to take Alanis Morrisette back, thanks. James: > BTW - heard today that that Warren Zevon's terminally ill - issat true? http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/12/people.warren.zevon.ap/index.htm l Bummer. I guess he'll get some sleep now. Michael "everything seems to be up in the air at this time" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:39:08 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Bugs, echinoderms, turbines, vampire cans Rex wrote: > > The coolest ones look like double helixes > and move like enormous eggbeaters. Oh, Darrieus turbines. Mechanically, a horror. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:45:27 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: War, Capaldi, Slater, Lucas, Windfarm, Moon, and Zevon (Attorneys at law?) James wrote: > > they're slaters here too. cool; Scottish World Domination ... > BTW - heard today that that Warren Zevon's terminally ill - issat true? yep, sadly: http://reuters.com/news_article.jhtml;jsessionid=EX3U2Q5WAUT0CCRBAEKSFEY?type=entertainmentnews&StoryID=1442921 Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:59:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: Ogden's Nutgone Flake with bees I already forgot who wrote this (mindless me): "I swear, I cannot stop listening to the Small Faces's "Ogden's Nut Gone Flake." Every day, I just have to hear it. Especially "Lazy Sunday." " but I gotta say it made me grin a lot. I LOVE the Small Faces. The Boston Rock Opera did a dramatization of Happiness Stan a few years ago (how they figured out a plot line I'll never know), and it was great. My kids loved it so much that they made me get our phonograph fixed so that we could play the album....over and over and over. As for the bee/wasp/onion thing, I've got a question. Yes, I am one of those hopeless people who grew up in a city and thought that yellow jackets and bees were the same thing. To me, a wasp was long and black with a very thin middle. So, what is the long, black thing? Is that a hornet? I'm not sure that I know what a hornet is. As for the onion thing, Ross, I learned that in the summer of 1983 at a party at my sister-in-law's in Hamburg. The yellow jackets were so bad that summer (very hot and dry for German standards) that they were everywhere. Marianne (sister-in-law) set out two large bowls of punch as traps for the nasty things and kept all other sweet things covered (although I have found that yellow jackets LOVE meat as well). By the end of the party, each bowl was about 8-10 inches deep with yellow jackets. It was somewhat revolting. BTW, I've been stung when there was nothing available to soothe the sting, and the discomfort lasted much longer than it has after my onion applications. At the beach on Cape Cod, a lifeguard (he was really cute) put meat tenderizer on a sting that my daughter had gotten. Jill, still hoping to go to the Soft Boys show in NYC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:05:33 -0700 From: "glen uber" Subject: Re: catching up Michael earnestly scribbled: >Only if you promise to take Alanis Morrisette back, thanks. I'll settle for them taking back Celine Dion: - -- Cheers! - -g- "Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible." - --Frank Zappa glen uber =+= blint (at) mac dot com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:11:11 -0400 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: Ogden's Nutgone Flake with bees On 12 Sep 2002 at 20:59, Jill Brand wrote: > but I gotta say it made me grin a lot. I LOVE the Small Faces. I'm going to have to listen to Ogden's Nut Gone Flake again. I bought it maybe 15 years ago and listened to it once or twice. I guess I was expecting another Itchykoo Park. > As for the bee/wasp/onion thing, I've got a question. Yes, I am one of > those hopeless people who grew up in a city and thought that yellow > jackets and bees were the same thing. To me, a wasp was long and black > with a very thin middle. So, what is the long, black thing? Is that a > hornet? I'm not sure that I know what a hornet is. Maybe you're thinking of mud-daubers. They're a type of wasp that would be familiar to city people, because they hang around mud puddles and swimming pools. Their middles are much thinner than those of yellowjackets, and while they're not completely black, they have more black on them than do yellowjackets. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:10:03 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: back to 'tics On Thursday, September 12, 2002, at 02:43 PM, The Great Quail wrote: > Knowing Chris as I do, and having argued away many quarts of midnight > oil, I > believe Chris was referring to the invasion of Kuwait, where Hussein > threatened our oil supply in a clearly immoral way. I know what you're getting at, but the above doesn't scan too well. > Having said that, I really can't agree with Ross 100% that it's > *their* oil. > Without the industrial power and ingenuity of the West, it would just > be a > profitless black liquid buried under the sand. While I don't argue > that the > Iraqi people have a right to profit from the happy fact they sit upon a > modern goldmine, I think that such a powerful substance in many very > real > ways "belongs" to the entire world. You're not going to get too many people, right, left, or center, to agree with the above. In any case, the need to sell the oil will get it onto the market. > --Imperial Quail Dude, no kidding. Much more and you'll be in the running for Ugly American Of The Year, although GWB has a big leg up at the moment. - - Steve __________ Our previous president studied at Oxford. This one was given a sightseeing tour of London and said it was ''diverse and clean.'' The Times also said Bush gave a ''pep talk'' to children about the advantages of reading over television. The children did not ask him to name the last book he had read. Just good manners, I guess. - Roger Ebert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:59:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: B&P Offer (September 2002) In honor of the SOFT BOYS album and the new shows we will be trading soon (hopefully!) I am offering my latest acquisition that arrived in the mail today from the great north! Robyn Hitchcock LIVE @ THE HORSESHOE TAVERN (Toronto, Ont) July 24,2002 (2 CDS) This is an audience recording, it is about a 9. I am working on getting the soundboard recording I saw pass to one guy there, but until then how about this one? NON RH Offering: There are 2 here this month: BEATLES - Peter Sellers Tape (1 CD) Rough mix, mostly mono of the WHITE ALBUM that was given to Peter from Ringo. Song list here: http://vega.c.oka-pu.ac.jp/~sakaki/BOOTLEG/BEATLES/sellers.html RADIOHEAD 08/03/2002 (1 CD) FM STEREO soundboard. A good show in general. Mostly OK Computer stuff, and one new song "THERE THERE" that they tried on this tour. here is the setlist: http://www.ateaseweb.com/live/2002/20020803.php Not familiar with b&p? Check link below.... http://http://www.mcnichol.com/bnp// As always if you want to trade, fire over suggested trades. Peace, love, live music, and Lobsters! Herbie np -> There There Radiohead (08/03/02) ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 07:48:45 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #284 >From: Michael R Godwin >matt sewell wrote: >It's closer than you think, effendi - I got stoned yesterday! >Stewart: > > you remember that Fat Freddy's Cat cartoon too? ;-) > >* Wait till you put on those stereo headphones! > > While I appreciated the fab furry freak bro's I was much more impressed by Pete Loveday's Big Bang comics featuring the saga of Russell, confused everyman waster. Starting in '86 the setting is the, then contemporary, UK underground/ festival/ new age scene. The characterisation, art, plots, humour beats fffb every time for me. Very "real" and yet with great trip/ dream sequences, concerning itself with interpersonal relationships and superb comic "accumulating problems" in the Fawlty Towers vein. Recommended to fans of dope humour in comic form. Brian _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:10:07 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: back to 'tics Yeah, that's the way it seems according to Oxfam, too. Kabul is apparently a little more liberal - women show their faces, go to school, sometimes work (although I should point out the minister for women in the cabinet (a woman) was terrified out of her job having been threatened with her life). Everywhere else, though, it's pretty much business as usual - the same warlords are in power, with very much similar "Islamic" practices as the Taliban. The only thing the allied invasion achieved, it can be (uncharitably) argued, was the deaths of 3,000+ Afghan civilians. Cheers Matt >From: Sebastian Hagedorn >Reply-To: Sebastian Hagedorn >To: Christopher Gross >CC: Squidmaniax! >Subject: Re: back to 'tics >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:40:34 +0200 > >-- Christopher Gross is rumored to have mumbled on >Donnerstag, 12. September 2002 13:08 Uhr -0400 regarding back to >'tics: > >>First of all, life for Afghan women has >>improved a LOT more than you think. They can now show their faces >>in >>public, they can go to school, they can work (a big consideration >>in such >>a poor country, where families need every possible source of income >>and >>society needs everyone who can contribute), and they can not only >>vote, >>they're guaranteed representation in government. > >German newspapers have been reporting differently. According to some >of them conditions are now basically back to what they were. I've >read that women in Kabul can't go to school anymore. The school has >apparently been closed after threats and attacks. > >I don't know about the other issues. >-- >Sebastian Hagedorn >Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany >http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ > >"Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:19:47 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: fireflies & rainbows & eating slime Is the sea cucumber not closely related to the slug? I seem to remember they look quite beautiful, though not appetising..! Cheers Matt >From: "ross taylor" >I once ordered a sea-cucumber in a Chinese >restaurant (some kind of creature, don't know >phylum or family). Cooked, but still major >slime factor & aftertast. Left much on my plate. >I shall not order another. > >Ross Taylor - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:29:26 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: The junk inside? I took this to be a sign from the universe about the naming of my band... I'd half decided that it's going to be called The New Moon. The very next week, a new moon (I do hope it's not space-junk) arrives in orbit... Cheers Matt "The New Moon is rising: the eyelid of god is approaching the human train, the skating, raining, travelling voice of certainty" >From: "Golden Hind" >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/science/nature/2251386.stm > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:38:43 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: RE: Iraq Iraq *is* selling oil to America - for instance 1,000 barrels a day during Nov 2001... you can check this (and many other very interesting facts about energy consumption in the States) here: www.energy.gov Cheers Matt >From: "Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" > >If they were also still selling to us what would be the problem? What >about neutrality? Iraq should be able to do whatever it wants with its >natural resources provided it doesn't harm the environment in some >catastrophic way. If they want to not sell to anyone fine if they want >to limit who they sell too then fine. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:32:11 -0700 From: "glen uber" Subject: New e-mail address Hi all, Because Apple Computer has decided to begin charging for its e-mail service, my current address, blint@mac.com, will cease to exist on September 30, 2002. After that date, all mail sent to that address will be absorbed into the aether and will linger there undeliverable and unread for all eternity. I figured that was the impetus I needed to finally put some of the domains I've registered to good use. Beginning immediately, my primary e- mail address is apostrophe@cruxofthebiscuit.com. Please make all necessary changes to address books, mailing & distribution lists, and FBI dossiers. Cheers! Glen Uber ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:11:28 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Iraq/Canada oil/water On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 rosso@videotron.ca wrote: > Hmmm. Canada has 20% of the world's fresh water. The US needs > water. don't tempt us. we'll combine the yukon and nwt and call it The New Texas or T2, convince the french that the whole nazi debacle was actually their fault and then force all of them to learn Spanish. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:36:51 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: back to 'tics On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, matt sewell wrote: > Yeah, that's the way it seems according to Oxfam, too. Kabul is > apparently a little more liberal - > women show their faces, go to school, sometimes work (although I should > point out the minister for women in the cabinet (a woman) was terrified > out of her job having been threatened > with her life). there are always exceptions. but what you have done here as you have done so often before is take the exceptions or the extreme examples and portray them as the norm. the civil liberties for the vast majority have improved exponentially. > Everywhere else, though, it's pretty much business as usual - the same > warlords are in power, with very much similar "Islamic" practices as the > Taliban. The only thing the allied invasion achieved, it can be > (uncharitably) argued, was the deaths of 3,000+ Afghan civilians. 3000+ civilian deaths? But since there have been less than 400 confirmations from afghan citizens, international relief agencies and investigators, you better check your sources. Again, your examples don't improve you. Warlords have been running large sections of that country for centuries. So are you gonna sway to and fro on the nation building issue or is it that even though you hate anything that could possibly look good for anything but your own misinformed ideals, you actually have a suggestion as to what should or could be done instead of just unsubstantiated criticism? gSs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:55:44 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Oh boy I knew I would get flamed for my Iraq post! Heh. Even from fellow Democrat Steve Schiavo! But seriously, for heaven9s sake. I will admit, one thing that drives me insane about this List is the rampant utopianism that passes for liberal or leftist thinking. When a country goes to war, it goes to war. If the United States went to war with an industrialized country, and Iraq decided to sell oil to that country -- which obviously would assist in feeding its war machine -- then *of course* the US has a *reason* to intervene. I mean, look at how this century's major wars affected the region! Cutting off the resources of your enemy is a natural tactic; and "neutrality" can take on very ambiguous meanings -- I for one wouldn't define Iraq as neutral in such a case, they have clearly picked a side to support with valuable resources. So drawing comparisons to Canadian fresh water and so on is just knee-jerk hyperbole. Jason writes, > If they were also still selling to us what would be the problem? What > about neutrality? Iraq should be able to do whatever it wants with its > natural resources provided it doesn't harm the environment in some > catastrophic way. If they want to not sell to anyone fine if they want > to limit who they sell too then fine. Again, utopian thinking, predicated on the idea that every nation has some sort of "equal rights." This falls apart during war, when how a country disposes of its natural resources becomes quite an issue. Jason, you also undermine your own point by then interjecting your own ideology into the mix: "provided it doesn't harm the environment in some catastrophic way." Why would a localized environmental catastrophe permit another power to intervene, but not willfully feeding the war machine of another state? James writes, > "The American leadership seem intent on making Saddam Hussein out to be the > new Hitler. But they are in grave danger of making him into the new Ho Chi > Minh." > (political analyst Chris Trotter) Well, I have to disagree with Mr. Trotter. Ho Chi Minh was an intellectual, a political theorist, and, in the early phases of his political career, an admirer of American democracy. After increasingly being alienated by the US (Another thing to dislike the French about), he turned more and more towards communism as a solution to his colonial woes. Hussein is a dictator, and anti-intellectual, and a thug. Ho Chi Minh would kick his ass. Matt writes, > Iraq *is* selling oil to America - for instance 1,000 barrels a day > during Nov 2001... As I mentioned earlier as an example of US hypocrisy. I suggest checking out the 9/11 anniversary issue of The New Republic -- it has some excellent articles on how our oil money is essentially funding the jihad against us. (It also has a terrifying article on how Bush is failing to do much about the threat of nuclear terrorism.) Steve writes, > You're not going to get too many people, right, left, or center, to > agree with the above. In any case, the need to sell the oil will get > it onto the market. I think you misunderstand me. I would argue that most people do believe that precious resources belong, to some extent, to the entire world. How the are distributed and to what extent they are used and misused, however, opens up a zillion cans of political and ideological worms.... - --The Ugly American Quail PS: Steve, please, never, ever, ever compare me again to Bush. Revile my opinions if you must, call me whatever you need to, but please, I beg you! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:18:40 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: back to 'tics On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Golden Hind wrote: > Godwin, thanks for that "lowdown" on WIG vechiles. If I ever create a > fantasy-world religion, you will definatly be one of its major godlets. > > Would you prefer your sacrifices in lice or jellyfish? Sea-cucumber and fresh trilobite, SVP. - - MRG PS Anyone found the phylum etc for sea-cucumbers yet? I have a feeling they are in with sea-urchins. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:42:58 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: back to 'tics On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, gSs wrote: > 3000+ civilian deaths? But since there have been less than 400 confirmations > from afghan citizens, international relief agencies and investigators, > you better check your sources. I suspect that Prof Marc Herold of the U of New Hampshire is the source referred to: - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:45:33 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: back to 'tics Well, it doesn't sound like extreme examples to me, eeyore - Oxfam (where I work) is an international aid agency, and we have people flying in and out of Afghanistan all the time. You say "civil liberties for the vast majority have improved exponentially"... erm, no - I think this is just what you want to believe, I'm afraid. You say 400 death confirmations... well, perhaps you mean Canadians, but no, again, it's more like 3,000: http://www.media-alliance.org/mediafile/20-5/ Your examples don't improve you; they don't detract from you either... Cheers Matt >From: gSs >Reply-To: gSs >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Re: back to 'tics >Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:36:51 -0500 (CDT) > >On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, matt sewell wrote: > > > Yeah, that's the way it seems according to Oxfam, too. Kabul is > > apparently a little more liberal - > > women show their faces, go to school, sometimes work (although I should > > point out the minister for women in the cabinet (a woman) was terrified > > out of her job having been threatened > > with her life). > >there are always exceptions. but what you have done here as you have done >so often before is take the exceptions or the extreme examples and portray >them as the norm. the civil liberties for the vast majority have improved >exponentially. > > > Everywhere else, though, it's pretty much business as usual - the same > > warlords are in power, with very much similar "Islamic" practices as the > > Taliban. The only thing the allied invasion achieved, it can be > > (uncharitably) argued, was the deaths of 3,000+ Afghan civilians. > >3000+ civilian deaths? But since there have been less than 400 confirmations >from afghan citizens, international relief agencies and investigators, >you better check your sources. > >Again, your examples don't improve you. Warlords have been running large >sections of that country for centuries. So are you gonna sway to and fro >on the nation building issue or is it that even though you hate anything >that could possibly look good for anything but your own misinformed ideals, >you actually have a suggestion as to what should or could be done instead >of just unsubstantiated criticism? > >gSs - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #286 ********************************